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@@SuRaper yeah I'm broke

Now this is a true super saiyan god super saiyan

​@@TimoneWeinerhow was qaaman on your show I checked out your KZfaq channel but didn't find anything

@@weebone5530 Hasn't been posted yet.

They trained for Blue so not really, and every form becomes fodder the next arc from ssj to now.

@@T_money808 Dude, Goku achieves God and we're all excited to see what else it can do, and it gets replaced by another form attained off-screen the very next movie/arc... It literally comes out of nowhere, is never alluded to, and has no build-up- not to mention, it's first showing in Goku vs Frieza is terrible, and gives the power a poor first impression. From there, it just progressively gets degraded throughout the course of Super. It's a terrible form...

@tmoney 808 name a moment ssj blue was memorable remember when ssj2 first happened fire when ssj3 happened oh my God ssj God happened different but definitely memorable ssj blue ok let's take ssj dye it blue and make a laser gun take it out that was the day dragon ball transformations were no longer special and no ultra instinct is a technique not a transformation so stop kissing toriyama ass and admit super saiyan blue it your welcome!

Kaioken became fodder after the sayain arc (didn't even beat vegeta), base SS became fodder the moment android 17 and 18 appeared, SS grade 2 didn't really beat anyone (except the androids in the future timeline), SS2 became fodder the moment fat buu appeared, SS3 and ultimate gohan didn't do anything in the buu arc either. Transformations getting shafted in the same arc there introduction or after, has been going on since the start of DBZ

@@Otis-ib6qi Blue kaioken vs Hit is extremely memorable and it was super fucking hype at the time...

When was the 3rd time i only knowthe broly and beerus one

@@chromephone In the tournament of power

@@chromephone Against Kale and Caulifla

@@Shadowgamestyle oh yeah how can i forget that team up with hit

It got a sick fourth appearance in the manga version of the Goku Black arc via Vegeta making a fool out of Black by using SSG to dodge and then Blue to attack by switching between them at speeds that could not be perceived by the naked eye.

Damn....that's pretty good lol

Royal Blue was one of the names given to it but technically Evolved is more accurate

⁠@@emperorhideyoshi3223And technically “Super Saipan God Super Saiyan” is more accurate but everyone just calls it Super Saiyan Blue lol

Or even just “ super Vegeta Blue “ because that’s exactly what it looks like. It’s the Sayian grade form that he used when fighting Cell, except Blue. No more, no less.

I just call it SSB2 (super Saiyan blue 2).

He's not wrong, it's just a SSJ recolor

For real, bro deserved that kill so bad and toriyama just couldn’t give it to him

@@TSfish94 they better give To him when the time comes

Fr tho, I was so annoyed when I watched Vegeta get cheated out of his victory

Vegeta should of killed Frieza

Same. That could've been the first time Vegeta would have his W but nope he gets robbed from it and Goku takes it

More than ssj3?

Ssj3 hasn't gotten a W either to be fair

@@rellllzzz2473 um yes, ssj3 actually has a ws

@@Absolute_Crimson yes it has

against trunks @@Absolute_Crimson

My thoughts exactly

Yeah or maybe not make it out to be so much a Saiyan transformation and more like a general technique even humans can learn through the ritual of five beings of pure and righteous hearts. (Because they need something damnit and they've come a long way from the people they used to be). It's god ki and yet it's written to be exclusive only to the Saiyans and Gods which is complete bs to me. I don't get how Saiyans can just use different techniques from various amounts of people while the rest don't get to learn anything new themselves aside from a few minor gimmicks like the solar flare. I miss when dragon ball was not all about the damn Saiyans all the time and more about Goku, his friends/family, and their journey as a group instead of his cheerleaders. It was all fine in the Saiyan and Frieza saga (and the broly movie...sorta) as we were learning about his origin and his race before they where endangered and enslaved and how the survivors developed (especially the one and only kind hearted Saiyan fueled by rage from the loss of his best friend which awaken a fury unlike anything we've ever seen from someone like him at the damn time). How do you expect me to take them seriously now that they've been so one note throughout the series recently to a hilarious degree. Goku: tee hee u pretty strong let's-a-go! I'm getting pumped! I'm fired up! I'm getting excited! Durr ur pretty good! See ya later! Now I'm really REALLY MAD NOW! AAAAHHHHHH! (Maniacal screaming intensifies) Give me everything you got... (Mf sounds like a broken record) show me all your mone- I mean power!? Vegeta: Prince of all saiyans! Saiyan pride! Me me me! I'm the best! I've finally caught up to you kakarot! Oh wait no I haven't! Awww! Hmph! Now I'm gonna play the pouty child cause I lost the game of cat and mouse with my rival and lack any other personality other than a condescending tsundere. Humph! If dragon ball was meant to be this silly then why all the forced dramatic acts? Dragon ball should have been a gag from the beginning in my case cause then I'd find this to be more funny than disappointing. But sadly it's not about me 👀

I always thought "God Saiyan" and "Super God Saiyan" sounded pretty good, differentiates it a little bit from "Super Saiyan".

super sayan god form is better than blue.SSG gives me a divine feeling

Or simply "God form"

Yeah, they missed an opportunity to make the SSG transformation the fastest form because of the decreased weight, combined with the fact it uses less stamina. While SSB could be more raw power

​@@phistoltv5196 Apparently that's how it works in the Manga, SSG is faster while SSB hits harder

@@Err0_Will It's not, SSB is both faster and stronger, SSG just drains less stamina and that's the point of Goku and Vegeta's form switching strategy

@@gukeoke6312Nope, the manga (and the anime at one point in the ToP) state SSG not only drains less stamina, but is also much faster than SSB.

@@gukeoke6312no, in the manga vegeta vs black he used god for speed and then used blue for damage

SSB has more wins than losses

@@FazeRustyNuts Let’s hear the wins

@@Destined4Greatness. Frieza, Cabba, Copy Vegeta, Nink, The Trio of Danger, Magetta, Zirloin, Rabanra and Zarbuto are all wins of SSB while it's only Ls are against Hit, Zamasu and Jiren I guess Dragon Ball fans really don't watch the show

@@FazeRustyNuts SSJB lost to Hit, Berserk Kale, Zamasu & Black, Jiren, Broly, Granolah, Moro and I count Zamasu & Black separately as they were both slapping around Goku & Vegeta before they merged and even when they did merge Goku & Vegeta were still getting slapped around in Blue.

@@Destined4Greatness. first of all SSB didn't lose to Kale, the fight got interrupted, Zamasu is Black and I already mentioned him including their fusion, in both Manga and Anime they have a total of 6 losses, comparing to the people that I said SSB beat it still has more wins than losses

Except changing clothes and receiving makeup was never part of the "roots" as you people love to say

@@FazeRustyNuts Okay, but still better than Hair Dye No.???.

@@FazeRustyNuts Is that it? Is that the only "argument" you have?

@@Summit900 for now yeh, so are you gonna make a counter argument or dodge it?

just a shame we didn't get freeza's commentary witnessing ssj4, that would have been a treat.

I agree. Vegeta really looks good in gray.

ngl, I hated the whis outfits, I thought it was the worst fit they wore in the series😂

What killed it for me was having them using the form against the likes of 17, Gohan and krillin in the anime, all people who should have been thousands of times weaker than those forms. Also having 17 become as powerful as a ssjb just doing the park ranger a few years completely ridiculized the blue form even more than what frieza had done by becoming more powerful than Goku and Vegeta by training just 4 months, since he at least had trained with the purpose of getting stronger unlike 17.

Hear me out. Imo, their Z outfits are better tbh. -Goku's fit seem bland, without the Whis symbol, its just the recolor of End of Z gi. -Vegeta in grey seem off, if it was dark blue or black it would've been better. Well atleast SDBS fixed the issues

@@azyured9817 nah you right, those fits in super were trash ngl 😂

This is even worse now that I think about it. First off, the form is supposed to be about ki-control and precision, yet they only ever use it to hit stuff harder. They're failing to sell the concept of what these forms are supposed to be. Second, the kais as a race are written practically the same as mortals considering they need magical artifacts to do stuff that gods in most media can do on their own. Even King Kai doesn't need a crystal ball for omnipotence. The only inherent difference between the kais and mortals is that one can do a better version of instant transmission. We're not told about anything else. So if Goku and Vegeta had just targeted the magical earrings (which they were capable of destroying in the Buu saga), then not only would they have prevented Zamasu from fusing, but they would have destroyed his entire argument by forcing Zamasu to accept that he's no different from the mortals. Instead of that, they fuck around with their shitty useless form, get nothing done, and allow the villain to achieve his win condition. The ending of the Zamasu arc is like the equivalent of watching your friend play a video game boss fight (jrpg final boss considering it's zamasu), and not figure out how to target the weak point, and just allowing the boss to regenerate until it wins. Both as a physical fight AND as a discussion about the relationship between gods and mortals.

the legend jax

exactly its literally just normal super saiyan but with blue hair, as with all the forms from super there is zero imagination or effort involved especially with the quality of the art/animation actually being worse than all previous series despite it being the much newer series. Nothing disappointed me as much as this, cant even consider it canon due to how bad it is and due to it being a retcon.

True

Even if he hadn't, Vegeta was punching right through his Hakais lol Quaman made some great points about SSB in general but I call cap on this one.

@@ganoninthepit When are they going to fight Beerus or are they going to keep saying he's to strong B's.

I think he held back to not get erased. If he was disqualified, then their universe would've been in the danger. Also @ganoninthepit, what does that prove? Universe 9's destroyer used weak version of hakai and Golden Frieza was able to maintain it and use it himself. Also, Vegeta survived Beerus'es Hakai. Hakai's power can be manipulated.

@@DevilMarioProductions No... It would have been an equal trade off and well worth it.... but INSTEAD, Vegeta eliminated Toppo and Vegeta still remained in the fight....... So it makes perfect sense for Toppo to go all out trying to erase Vegeta even if Toppo would get eliminated for doing so... its a win, win situation, rather than what actually happened which was Toppo and his universe losing

Sure does! A theory is animation budget, since SSB looks just like SSJ except, well… blue

Ssj God was awesome in my opinion it would have been so cool if that form had ssj3 transformation with the red eyes and hair I will say it again the most underrated transformation in dragon ball super Saiyan god I wish perfect cell came back with that transformation in the dragon ball heroes game on the switch android race could go ssj God it was awesome way better than lame ass cell max!!!!

Ssg was dumb too.

ssjg is even worse than blue, its literally just base goku with red hair dye, the lack of muscles makes it look pathetic and it hardly feels any faster.

​@@adamplentl5588SSG was was brilliant

Just say dark blue

I mean the design looked very neat tho

@@TheChosenAkuma I didn't say it didn't it's better then Ssgss

​@@I-need-2-win its a royal blue not dark blue

@@TheChosenAkuma no it’s just as lame lol.

Exactly I can't wait for the next hair color change.

wtf are you talking about why would UE and UI get replaced lmfao at most they may physically evolve and master them better Ui is based on a technique used by bruce lee, toriyamas biggest inspiration, its not getting replaced. stop acting like your toriyama

​@@sonicfanmanrealreal5629there will always be a newer form to replace the current forms, that's literally how DB works so why would UI and UE not follow this inevitable trend?

@@JP_...__.__.._ because even toriyama knows where to stop? UI is a transformation that has not only been foreshadowed since forever but is also touted as being gokus ultimate powerlevel, there is nothing above the angels but zeno and UI is the angels technique, it is inspired by bruce lee, again, toriyamas biggest inspiration, and therefor it will not be replaced, so far goku's transformations have followed a trend of colors representing increasing heat, white is the hottest flame and this is shown when kefla mentions how hot goku's aura is. at best goku will achieve a new ssj form weaker than ui but above ssjbkkx20. and speaking of kaioken, UI is a technique, not a form, why would it follow a trend related to forms? kaioken still made itself relevant with blue kaioken so again at most goku will just stack forms on top of UI, im VERY confident in this. there is no way to 1up literal infinity

@@sonicfanmanrealreal5629 Bro, Toriyama just wings this shit. This whole series is just him winging it for shits and giggles. He hasn't had to try to write a good manga since Dr. Slump. The dude is rich.

Just because a form is over designed like SSJ4 doesn't mean anything, it's showing progress not fashion statements, also literally every form took more losses than Ws even the original Super Sayian Form

Least creative; I agree. Least appealling; for me personally, that goes to SSJ3. The lack of eyebrows is so unappealing, and the fact the hair grows so much (or at all, since neither SSJ1 or 2 hair grew, it just stood up more), it's just ugly. Vegeta's purple ego is almost as ugly, thanks to the eyebrows and weird palette swap, but also because it regresses Vegeta's characters so much it sends him completely in the opposite direction.

​@@FazeRustyNuts That's a good point you raised!🧠😆 1) Gohan lost to Dabura when Gohan was in Super Saiyan 2 form. The reason is because Gohan plummeted training after he defeated Cell with ironically the same Super Saiyan 2 form 2) Goku was in Super Saiyan 2 form when he fought Majin Vegeta but still lost to Majin Vegeta 3) Super Saiyan 2 form took even more losses than Super Saiyan 3 form did in the Majin Buu saga. Super Saiyan 3 Goku at least made Fat Buu into a punching bag

No fan of SSJ4 but blue is far worse. It's a palette swap of better forms and the color is one of the weakest shades of blue. All SSB ever does is remind you of better forms. @@FazeRustyNuts

@@EndoScorpion I feel the same way about Ultra Ego. The idea and function of the form/technique is cool, but I'd rather keep my eyebrows.

Super Sayian 4 is over designed, literally had no reason to change clothes other than the make a fashion statement and no SSJ4 actually lost 80% of it's fight, it only has 1 Win against an opponent without help and he literally used SSJ4 on almost every Shadow Dragon... your comment is pure biased

@@FazeRustyNuts If you say so. But there's a reason 4 is a fan favorite.

@@superpaytonmars8852 what's the reason because everything you said in your original comment turned out to be false

@@FazeRustyNuts I disagree, but I'll respect your opinion.

@@superpaytonmars8852 I asked for a reason, not if you agree or not

Ultra instinct is a state of mind, not a transformation. Whis is constantly in ultra instinct so once goku completely masters ultra instinct, hes gonna be able to stay in the ultra instinct state of mind without any draw backs at all...so "mastered ultra instinct super saiyan" would just be super saiyan.

@@pockettwoultra instinct is actually both a form and a transformation and I’ll explain why. Incomplete UI is a form because it changes the physical appearance of goku. But it’s also a technique due to the ability of being able to dodge every attack. The reason it’s a technique is because goku can use ultra instinct in any form he wants. But he has to use the form(mastered ultra instinct) to complete the technique.

I'm waiting for Mastered True Ultra Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolved Kaioken form myself.

@@pockettwo nah ultra instinct is a transformation. Sorry, but it’s clear as day. If it was a state of mind, it wouldn’t need to be a power up or change the color of the hair and eyes.

This. We saw the anger and sorrow of Goky and Gohan to obtain SSJ and SSJ2, and the awsome SSJ3 transformation was to show what was Goku doing in the aftelife all those years. Hell even to reach SSJ4 was a struggle. The sin "say don't show" was on full force in DBS Ressurection F.

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD. Conceive Believe and Achieve

@@KonEl-BlackZero Actually that has nothing to do with Blue. This was for every single transformation in DBS except ultra instinct that was atleast foreshadowed. Think Trunks' rage form or Gohan beast or orange Piccolo. Completely non-earned asspull transformations, all of them.

​@@1BuFoexept orange piccolo it was forshadowed durring the granolah arc when the namekian we talking about when a great and worthey namekian is in danger they will ask the dragon or something like that just that Orange piccolo gets a pass And beast gohan its weirded beacues gohan said he was going to make a form completely diffrent during the T.O.P

​@@chromephonebefore T.O.P.*

did you even watch the fight or are you just hopping on the bandwagon? ssjb goku beat tf out of frieza

@@sonicfanmanrealreal5629 did you even watch the fight or are you just dick riding goofey, he didn’t start beating him until Frieza’s stamina started draining Frieza even said during the fight “I hurl you through cliff side and you want to talk about my weakness”

Bro? It was literally goku’s first time using ssb so he didn’t know the proper ways to use it. And do you honestly think that ssj2 or ssg would do a better job?

@@TheChosenAkuma so you’re saying same thing happened when Goku first went Super Saiyan on Namek then??? I don’t recall him struggling in that fight and that was his first time using Super Saiyan so your point isn’t valid

@@lucidmind9676 and your opinion is also invalid because Goku discovered true UI but still got one tapped by frieza. So are you gonna hate on UI now??

Super sayian blue was never the problem it is a cool concept, the problem was making ssj god base goku, and then having base goku be able to stack ssjblue on top of his base form. that was the dumb part, it essentially made Goku become ssg times ssg times ssj(x50) in ressurection f.

@@robertwilson7259I mean sure he’s more powerful in Base then BoG Goku, but they are just gonna make the villains more stronger then our favorite saiyans.

​@@Mr.Arcade10The issue is that people now assume that random characters like Krillin, Cabba or Android 17 are just as strong because they fought the base character when it makes no sense.

@@sinistralhydra Yep and those are the people who say Goku died to a wall level laser during ROF

Anime is just a way for them to sell merch

tf else is it supposed to look like? you people don't even know what your saying at this point

goku said himself that blue is just super saiyan with god ki, theres nothing much else to it other than that...

@@sonicfanmanrealreal5629fr. Anime fans have a cringe habit of complaining about stuff that isn’t even a big deal

@@sonicfanmanrealreal5629maybe make it look like not just a recolor. You wanna know what forms should look like, check bleach out.

Because it LITERALLY IS ssj with blue hair. It’s ssj mixed with God Ki.

I agreed

He’s not on his own with that take

Ssj God in the Broly movie was peak representation. Still hella imposing, different “pressure” (love the concept of pressure not being the same as high Ki since only a few can read god Ki level) , skinny/compressed but still has muscle and , most of all, in the Beerus and Broly movie’s they really went ham on the idea that is actually has a Fire aura. When ssj first came out there are lines of characters saying how the aura looks like fire and whatnot, it’s even implied it’s hot. But SSG actually had that flame theme over the hair, aura and even Goku and Vegeta’s attacks . Blue was just fully unnecessary. Coulda been cool but it adds virtually nothing to the characters or franchise. Hell, ssj3 looks 1000x more “godly” than ssb

@@danielz-v4083 EXACTLY! THANK YOU!

@@sasook Well i guess you and him are just wrong🤷‍♂

So what is blue kaioken?

@@QaamansLand A welcome return for the Kaioken, though sadly underutilized. Think it would've been better if they had Goku beat Kefla with it to have a more decisive win for the form, and save Ultra Instinct for Jiren.

​@@QaamansLandOP made an astute observation. Im not sure what the Kaio-Ken has to do with Blue Evolved being an analog to SS2. Although, I'd argue its more like SS Grade 2 due to Super love having their callbacks plus the increase in power wasnt that significant. Blue Evolved is pretty much Super Vegeta Blue but instead of dunking on Cell he mopped up Toppo

Well, at least SS2 was more distinct from SS1 than SSBE is from SSB.

Actually it's a grade 2 or 3 because officially has a God ki variant of ssj2 on heroes.

no, goku just learned how to use mui and he's still exploring tui

Learned from Whis. There is a sort of chamber where the atmosphere is filled with God Ki. The pressure is so high you could only escape by assimilating and mastering that form of Ki Source: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bMB9f9d82tPacmw.htmlsi=fJOVjOvybNO--hQ7

Its color is crap in the anime. Half the time I'm looking at Squidward's skin tone.

​@@Iwillonedon't do my Boi squiddy like that 😭😭

It's just leagues better in the manga compared to the anime

​@@Iwillonedon't lump Squidward in with this Retarded Transformation he's the Goat

@@isaacking8182how is it different?

Same here. Blue is my favorite color so seeing goku with blue hair looks awesome to me. Especially sense it goes well with the blue on his gi that he wear all the time

That’s ok. Nothing wrong with that 🤷🏾‍♂️

​@@TheChosenAkumaAwesome pfp

@@frog9304 thanks

@@TheChosenAkuma No problem

I love Mystic Gohan

Fr. I love mystic Gohan

All Facts 💯

There's his epic fight against Hit and the Fusions. Plus there's there's the time where it humiliated Rose twice and gave Goku one of his best rage moments plus one of Vegeta's best speeches that shows why he respects Goku.

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Finally someone said it. And I couldn't agree more. Whenever someone asks me if I'd have super saiyan or sharingan I immediately answer sharingan. Not to mention red eyes look cooler than blonde hair.

@@Ash-Winchester id rather become 50x faster/stronger than get crazy abilities but remain a squishy human.

@@sonicfanmanrealreal5629 Your ki already gives you superhuman strength speed and durability. Super Saiyan is pretty redundant considering it just gives you a bigger version of something you already have.

Thank you

Would have to be some form of omen form, a new form entirely that could use them in a complementary fashion.

@@ShiyokenEither Vegito or Gogeta that can’t even be touched with UI, and can casually yeet hakai around like a menace should horrify any villain.. not to mention instant transmission, forced spirit fission, and considering fusions have come up with new techniques with every time they get a new power up, i wouldn’t be surprised if they pull more moves out of their a*s

Tbh it shouldn't really be possible.

It wouldn't make sense, and it'd just be meh

My imagination is. Gogeta charging on enemy with ui silver hair to get closer and dodging. After getting closer he slowly transform in purple hair into ultra ego to do finishing blow.

Timestamp?

Not to mention, Whis told Goku to find his own path of UI because he's not a Angel. Goku will find a way to turn UI into his own thing, the Saiyan way because he's a Saiyan.

@@fruitybluieblue098yup

I don't understand the logic of how using a Transformation takes away from the "Unachievable/Legendary" form

@@FazeRustyNuts For myself, I view the saiyan transformations as their trump cards and something that should be able turn the battles in their favor. But, when you see them being used so often for just about every fight then where is the magic or awe effect anymore? For example, Super Saiyan blue is supposed to be a level to rival the gods themselves and during the tournament of power it was being used against characters that easily any other Z fighter could have handled themselves. Doesn't make the form feel special anymore if someone like Piccone could have dealt with them as well. Imagine if Blue was preserved for more serious fights towards the end like against Toppo or Jiren then you would feel the weight of the situation and just how powerful those forms really are then you will get a better sense of "damn this guy is strong or is an actual threat".

@@RockoSocko66 did you keep this same energy for Super Sayian being spammed against everyone?

@@FazeRustyNuts Same feeling for me, which is why I said in my original comment why not have more fights in their base forms then gradually have the transformations build. It's hard to get a sense of power strength if they go super saiyan/ Blue right from the start. Just makes everyone feel like they can rival our boys Goku and Vegeta.

Sounds cringe but it's true

@@QaamansLand lol being honest, i dont mind ssj Blue as a next level from ssj God, I just wish we had more time with God. Similar to how they handled it in the manga essentially. However I was never a fan on how they colored it. I rather have a sky blue kind of color (Similar to ssj Broly, in the Raging Blast 2 game). In the anime, it looked like a metallic teal color.

Yeah it's better than ssb conceptually for sure since it ain't just the typical flat stats boost but as a form it still ain't really breaking new ground. It pretty much takes Super's favourite phrase "He/she's learning as he fights!" applying that to a powerup and instead, new hair colour and remove his eyebrows this time.

@@kingdomcomesuperman3669 yeah its just another hair color change up and a recycling of SS3 eyebrows lol

so ignorant holy shit

Agree

Yeah lol

Gotta love it when anime fans complain about every small thing that nobody else would complain about

​@@TheChosenAkuma"I hate how anime fans complain about changes made in the anime"

Same with Kakarotto changed to Kakarot actually

what

@@ElPeloXD Where'd I lose you?

@@EndThusIAm last part, when you talked about goku being red for some reason

@@ElPeloXD When God Form was introduced, I was hoping that was it. Not another form to it. And seeing how blue looks on Vegeta I would've like that if that was his unique God Form.

@@EndThusIAm ohh, that would maked vegeta 5 times stronger than goku, so it would be weird lol

I think the manga started ruining ssj blue in the Moro arc to be honest