premiere? opening night?

@@AndreyRubtsovRU yes most probably

Yes! Same here

Absolutely, it is beautiful

@@victorrobin642 Of course not. Not when the music I'm listening to is a compositional masterpiece

It was written, partly, in response to the composer's son dying in a car accident.

Could you give me a few examples of what you mean? I'm unfortunately quite the novice to both Messiaen and Chen's work.

@@nakanoyuko Apologies for the late reply, I'm a very busy University student! Messiaen was the teacher of Chen, and to me I can hear him all over, both in music and the philosophy behind it. Here is one of Messiaen's most well known works. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/braarKaht7Goop8.html If you listen to the second movement, with how he weaves in melody with his tonal language, I hear it quite similarly within Chen's works. Within Messiaen's early works, such as his vocalise etude, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/art4i6xeqc-4gJ8.html, I really hear Chen. To me, Chen is a more romantic, oriental Messiaen. When I mention philosophy, Messiaen told all of his students that music's worth comes from if the composer if authentic to his goal, and this comes across to the audience, and I always hear sincerity within Chen's work.

One of my teacher in China once told me that when he was in uni, he had a counterpoint professor whose writing sounds very Chinese even when he writes counterpoint using the strict counterpoint rules as described in Western music theory. When he marks and makes modifications to his students‘ homework, everyones homework becomes very Chinese even though non of the student's homework even remotely resembles Chinese style originally. 😂 To my knowledge, many music conservatories in China encourage composition students to write modern music with Chinese elements. For example, you can use set theory or 12-tone technique, but you carefully pick your set or your 12-tone row such that you have more major second interval, and minor third interval and less minor second interval. Or when you write melody, you try to use M2 and m3 more often and try to avoid m2. But I'm not sure how to make a theoretical distinction between Chinese pentatonic and French impressionist pentatonic. Sometimes I write a piece of music, and I think it sounds pretty Chinese, and I show it to someone else, and they tell me, "hey, I like your use of impressionism". Maybe there is no strict line between the two. I think Debussy was influenced by Eastern music, and many modern Chinese composers are influenced by Debussy, so they kinda merge together. That's just my thoughts. I didn't go to a conservatory in China, so my Chinese theory knowledge is kinda limited. Maybe someone who actually studied composition in a conservatory in China can do a better job of answering this question.

@@boyisun i think it can be pure melodic contour. I don't know about chinese music but i know that Sibelius used some melodic contours often seen in finnish songs. And as the harmony was not finnish, finnish people still felt it was deeply finnish.

@@boyisun Debussy was more influenced by (and imitated) Slendro scales used in Gamelan. The "sound" of French Impressionism, as a whole, was probably more closely associated with Javanese music than Chinese. If you want to go deep into understanding the differences between pentatonic melodies used in different countries/cultures, you're going to have use Bartok/Kodaly's method of anaylzing folk music to discern the nuances. Then it'll be easier to write an "authentic" Chinese melody if you really wanted to.

sounds more like a copland film score than chinese music

@@DefamedRice Well, it was written by a Chinese composer in a Chinese/Western idiom, so I'd have to disagree with you there. It certainly doesn't sound like anything that Copland wrote/would've written.

I disagree this sounds nothing close to Rautavaara, there are parts where the orchestration is faintly reminiscent of Rautavaara, but very rare and it’s not very obvious

@@Scriabin_fan imma have to agree with the man of the same name

@@elijahstewart3231 fancy meeting you here at this ungodly hour. You’re not gonna believe this but I was listening to this because I can’t fall back to sleep lmao.

Oh oops; it's the Shanghai Symphony Orchestra.

Just get an ad blocker like everyone.

Well, based on the latest edition of the score it is just a typo. The clef has now been corrected.

Zshisko I have no control over the ads

Haha I was just arranging a choral piece that was based `silent night‘ so that section stood out for me and I was wondering if anyone had noticed.

magic

The fuck lol

I mean, advertisements, it´s so discasting to listen music in this way. Cmaj7, If you change it let me know it. Thanks.

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@@Gustavo.Gregorio cmaj7 can't control the ads

@@Gustavo.Gregorio CMaj7 doesn’t put in ads, the recording company does and he can’t control that.

确实，有些地方拉的有点急？少了水灵感。I also think the bowing was not very delicate, nor is the sound sweet when bouncing. The interpretation was very western. 怎么说呢，有的时候声音很虚，但有的时候弓也拉得太狠。听了很不舒服。

目前最好的版本了。马克西姆毕竟是大师级别的。