Quantum Teleportation and the Star Trek Transporter
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Күн бұрынThe Star Trek transporter uses the concept of quantum teleportation, which should be physically possible. I asked other KZfaqrs whether or not they'd use one and we discussed the philosophical implications.
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TIME CODES
00:00 Cold Open
00:44 What kind of teleportation?
01:31 Is it possible?
03:43 Uncertainty Principle
04:49 Ship of Theseus
06:16 Quantum Cloning
06:58 Is it the same as sleep?
07:40 What of the soul?
08:59 Continuity of Consciousness
10:38 What would I do?
11:02 Outro
11:26 Featured Comment
@unvergebeneid Жыл бұрын
Hearing Derek say "Hey crazies!" already felt like the result of a transporter accident.
@MethodicalMadness Жыл бұрын
😆
@thehulkamaniabrother2.089 Жыл бұрын
Derrick Dangerheart...
@veritasium Жыл бұрын
Remember, it’s ok to be a little crazy.
@unvergebeneid Жыл бұрын
@@veritasium 🤯😂
@misterlau5246 Жыл бұрын
Not that farfetched, just a "huh? Wtf?" moment
@ArvinAsh Жыл бұрын
Nice job Nick! Was nice to meet you and some of my other favorite KZfaqrs in NYC.
@aki-fi3gk Жыл бұрын
Love your channel
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
Thanks Arvin! It was great meeting you too. I'm sure we'll see each other again.
@jessicamorgan3073 Жыл бұрын
You've a fab channel as well, Arvin. It was good seeing you in the Asylum.
@misterlau5246 Жыл бұрын
Oh my Mannigfaltigkeit! Arvin Ash! 😳
@furqanshariff Жыл бұрын
Arvin here ❤️
@KhAnubis Жыл бұрын
I love how something invented to save on special effects budget in the 60‘s sparked this whole philosophical debate
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
😂
@Dak3 Жыл бұрын
This is a version of the ship of Theseus paradox and is thousands of years old.
@ScientificReview Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceAsylum First, thanks to all of my Jewish friends who support my channel. Second, if you want to make your video look scientific, you shall assume that a person has to enter a BBO crystal to create two entangled "halves" persons first! Ridiculous, right? You will not be there anymore! So please study before making videos! Third, quantum entanglement does not mean teleportation, but entanglement! You may be required to study tachyons first, then you will understand that human teleportation is impossible; according to my equations.
@paulcoy9060 Жыл бұрын
They also invented DVDs or CD-ROMs (the episode with the library, and Spock falls in love with Mariette Hartley), and of course flip phones.
@One.Zero.One101 Жыл бұрын
My question is can you recreate memories by reassembling atoms? Atoms are just protons, electrons, and neutrons.. Sure you can recreate the brain structure, but can you recreate the memories?
@iammrbeat Жыл бұрын
All of us properly sitting or standing and Jabril's like "nope I'm getting comfortable." 😄 Great job with this! As always with your videos, I learned a lot.
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
😂 Yeah, Michael Stevens lounged a little too, but Jabril _really_ went for it.
@VidaDigital Жыл бұрын
You guys all together in one video are definitely the closest thing to a Science Communicator Cinematic Universe there is! Keep up the great work inspiring the next generation of scientists!
@theold1. Жыл бұрын
I want to hear Fraser Cain's opinion on this
@jimwalton8973 Жыл бұрын
where was electroboom to roast Veritasium? lol
@sovereign1160 Жыл бұрын
Most ambitious crossover since Infinity War
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
@@jimwalton8973 If he had been at the event, I would have asked him 🙂
@jimwalton8973 Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceAsylum just think of the entertainment value of him finally capturing veritasium and making him pay supervillain style lol.
@furqanshariff Жыл бұрын
I am so happy to see Science Asylum getting it's share of contribution that it deserved for years in KZfaq scientific community
@theicyphoenix_7745 Жыл бұрын
i dont think anyone would use teleporter untill nature of consciousness gets revealed,so that this is all done in such a way that your original consciousness doesnt die but instead gets moved to that new body and kicks out the clone ones,thats the only way i think it would be aprooved for people,cause any other way is just murder and clone
@bfeezey Жыл бұрын
Today I learned that most of the "youtube scientific community" has aggressively bad audio and that I should stick with the regulars.
@johnnyrepine937 Жыл бұрын
@@bfeezey if you're talking about the ones in the video, they were at a convention or something. They weren't in their normal home setups.
@HelloKittyFanMan. Жыл бұрын
"Getting IT IS share..."? Huh? That doesn't make sense.
@JorgetePanete Жыл бұрын
its*
@davechef8424 Жыл бұрын
I’m happy you made this video. I’ve thought about this a lot. The initial transport that deconstructs you is in fact you being murdered. A copy of you ends up at the transport coordinates. So perfect that the new you experiences the transition as transportation opposed to a recreation. In my very unprofessional opinion every officer in Star Trek is painlessly murdered and replaced with a perfect copy every time they transport. Dr. Pulaski and Reginald Barclay had the right idea.
@shannonlachaise3050 Жыл бұрын
I agree it can be considered as a murder/suicide. But, about the "replacement", it all depends again on your stance about the ship of Theseus. If, like my, you consider that the "copy" is the exact the same thing, that it's a legitimate example of the original, then the teleportation is more like an actual resurrection instead of a "replacement".
@vedantsridhar8378 5 ай бұрын
@@shannonlachaise3050 I am gonna be brave enough to risk my life to experience instant travel if teleportation gets invented.
@gm2407 2 ай бұрын
@@shannonlachaise3050 If we are to have the exact plans for the titanic and reproduce it to the exact same specifications without any changes, name it the same thing and behave like it is the same thing, that does not make it the same thing. It is a conceit. A fiction. There is a clear gap in continuity of what made the Titanic what it was and what makes the other thing a reproduction. This reproduction of a person would still be a person and have a right to live. But the first person was certainly killed for the reproduction to live. It is 100% a replicator as energy matter conversion is used and has been proven in universe to fill in the gaps. They could produce an infinite number of reproductions so long as energy persists to complete the process.
@lucbloom Жыл бұрын
How nice of Asylum to let up and coming KZfaqrs like Jabrils and Veritassium appear in his video!
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
😆
@nirmalmattmusic3993 Жыл бұрын
Finally the combo we wanted
@DavideDiCioccio Жыл бұрын
😍😍😍😍😍
@drsonaligupta75 Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@abimeutube Жыл бұрын
...and needed, and deserved.
@XiaolinDraconis Жыл бұрын
There's your 69th like, enjoy it for 5s.
@mrkitty777 Жыл бұрын
It could be used to clone Bill Gates at every transport👌
@CamiloSanchez1979 Жыл бұрын
About effin' time they did a collab w you, you're one of my favorite science and physics channel Nick. Although I miss the madness of your earlier videos
@chillaxter13 Жыл бұрын
Yes! That mind bending madness that broke your brain then rebuilt it around a new understanding of a previously murky topic... I miss that too, but still love the new content
@MrTheBigNoze Жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching since like 2k subs, and I knew he’d blow up eventually. Awesome content Nick and thanks for all your hard work
@toren1970 Жыл бұрын
I love all your videos. This one is definitely one of your best. The way you combined pop sci-fi, quantum mechanics, philosophical debates about what is a person, and interviews was pretty amazing. Keep up the good work and keep robbing our interest.
@Misteribel Жыл бұрын
Wow, all this awesomeness in one place! Great to see you guys together ❤❤❤. Now I gotta beam out of existence.
@PranjalSengupta Жыл бұрын
The weird problem is about the transportation of our consciousness... Like, if a person uses the teleportation device, will he feel like he is dying and his particular consciousness is ending or will he see himself in his destination (where he wanted to go with the teleport) and have a sense of continuity. The problem here is that others won't be able to know. Even if you ask the person that reaches the destination, he will surely have the original's memories and certainly would have a sense of continuity, but won't know what happened to the original consciousness after he got teleported. We can consider that the new person was born with all the memories of the previous one, thus having a sense of continuity. But for the original person, for all we know his original life might have really ended. And I don't think we can differentiate between the two scenarios because after the teleportation the only person remaining is the one at the destination who will always have a sense of continuity. I first thought of this paradox while watching Doctor Who: Heaven Sent & Hell Bent. You can check it out
@thewizard4200 Жыл бұрын
I think we can differentiate. Just think about the movie "the prestige", why it is so different when there are copies? The real guy used to drown, but what if it was electrocuted and died instantly? And remember that you are not your matter, your matter is changed every 120 days or so.
@davidwuhrer6704 Жыл бұрын
Consciousness is an illusion. You are not you when you're hungry.
@thewizard4200 Жыл бұрын
@@davidwuhrer6704 Illusion or not, everyone can relate to the fact that we have a subjective experience, we talk about consciousness but the real point lies there. Of course the clone has an identical yet different consciousness, and of course is an illusion, but what about the subjective experience of that illusion?
@EdwardChopuryan Жыл бұрын
That's an interesting question but I think w/o more definite understanding/definition of consciousness it would be hard to say one way or another! But like others mentioned in the video, this problem is similar to sleeping! Does yesterday me die and new me is born today and because only today's me exist, there's no way to verify what yesterday's me felt when falling asleep! My hypothesis is that, if the transporter is painless, which it seems like is, then the teleportation will be similar to sleeping, your consciousness would fade (just like before falling asleep) and then you would "wake up" few seconds later!
@thewizard4200 Жыл бұрын
@@EdwardChopuryan It's not that simple. While you fall asleep your consciousness disappear but is substituted by your unconscious. You just don't remember falling asleep, but it's a problem of memory, your mind is still there alive and still has continuity with itself.
@marklittlehale5756 Жыл бұрын
I love how all my favorite science bloggers seem to know each other. You even have Jade's t-shirt on!
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
If Jade had been there, she absolutely would have been in the video.
@wefinishthisnow3883 Жыл бұрын
Seeing Nick, Arvin, Dr. Becky, Michael/Vsauce and Veritasium/Derek all in one video might put ME in the science asylum! All I needed to see was Sabine and Brian Greene and it would be my perfect dream team video (I love Matt from PBS as well, but he doesn't dumb things down enough for me!).
@davidmizak4642 Жыл бұрын
You deliver excellent content to your audience. It's very interesting material. All of your effort put into creating this video is much appreciated. I'm truly grateful for your help!
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
Thanks! 🙂
@creeib Жыл бұрын
It's fabulous to see so many of my favourite KZfaqrs in one video 💞
@fmdj Жыл бұрын
One of the greatest questions ever asked with some of the greatest science KZfaqrs, awesome!
@davedave8263 Жыл бұрын
The fear I have is that in the scanning and deconstructing process, the original you goes through incredible pain and suffering that no one would know about because the copy of you on the other side did not experience that.
@valhalla7284 Жыл бұрын
So if the new you don't know about the suffering then why would you fear about pain..... I mean if you don't know about the pain would you still feel the pain
@Games_and_Music Жыл бұрын
Getting pulled apart on the atomic level, spaghettification... mama mia!
@NinJestre Жыл бұрын
Yea, the idea that I die a horrible death every time I use it is a big hurdle to consider for a little bit of convenience
@q-tuber7034 Жыл бұрын
Check out The Prestige (2006 film)
@LuminaryGames Жыл бұрын
@@valhalla7284 But the new you is a clone of you. Not a continuation of the old you. Basicly the moment you go through the transporter you are dead.
@sergiosanchezpadilla6941 Жыл бұрын
I am subscribed to about 300 science channels. But Nick is the only one who genuinely personifies the old prototype of a nerd to the full extent!!! :)
@dannous Жыл бұрын
I am glad you made this video. This question has been driving me crazy for a long time. The first time was when I was 12 I think. At that time I thought were just stupid teenager questions. That I learned that all the stupid questions I had were the biggest unresolved problem in philosophy.
@pwinsider007 Жыл бұрын
Finally you did a Collab .
@ChaosPootato Жыл бұрын
One hell of a collab too
@danohanlon8316 Жыл бұрын
I recently saw an MRI scan of someone who moved a bit while the scan was being taken. Trust me, you wouldn’t want to be “reassembled” like that.
@Games_and_Music Жыл бұрын
Ah yeah, you'd probably have to be "injected" into a mould, because just standing on your feet while getting reconstructed would probably result in a lot of movement. 3D printers are the same, you don't wanna move the plate while getting printed, unless you're making "art".
@mikeuk666 Жыл бұрын
It would have to be scanned instantaneously
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
_Technically,_ the transporter is supposed to have a confinement beam that keeps people absolutely still during the process... but I can think of several in-show instances where people moved in the beam anyway.
@Corbald Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceAsylum Based on Inertial Damper tech, IIRC.
@81giorikas Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceAsylum Compare teleporter to quantum field theory please.
@adamreynolds3863 Жыл бұрын
YES this video touched on all kinds of topics that ive been wondering about recently! thanks!
@F_Mothering Жыл бұрын
In the technical manual, it explains how photon torpedoes operate. They have a payload of 1.5 kg of anti-mater and a like amount of deuterium slush. At the moment of denotation, those packets are brought together in a highly efficient way so that all of the matter and anti-mater meet up at nearly the same instant. Now, e=mc^2, which is what gives matter/anti-mater annihilation so much 'bang for the buck' so to speak. The transporter turns the entire mass of your body into energy. How much does the average Starfleet officer weigh? Yeah... I cannot imagine we are beaming around the energy equivalent of 20+ photon torpedoes everytime we beam just a single individual. That means transporters HAVE to work with The Prestige effect. You are scanned, and then vaporized, and a perfect copy of you is constructed at another location. It's how Thomas Riker, and every other transport clone came to be. The annihilation portion of the transporter failed. Otherwise, where did all that extra mass come from if the system was only designed to use your own particles. The answer is that it doesn't. The transporter is 3 different systems: a highly detailed scanner (for perfect replication), a replicator for organic and inorganic matter, and some kind of matter annihilator. Ever wonder why Tuvix wasn't 'twice the man' he should have been? Ever wonder how Dr. Pulaski was able to be reformed just from pattern memory? It's very clear that the 'matter' portion isn't important; only the pattern.
@_S13_ Жыл бұрын
I was first introduced to this problem by the movie "The Prestige" (2006). Its a great movie, that fits perfectly with the theme presented here.
@thewizard4200 Жыл бұрын
And that make you realize the real problem here. It does not matter that you vanish before the other is created, you have vanished...
@davidwuhrer6704 Жыл бұрын
@@thewizard4200 No, I'm still here.
@thewizard4200 Жыл бұрын
@@davidwuhrer6704 Of course you are, nobody made you vanish.
@dudicrous Жыл бұрын
(Spoiler alert) That movie left the scientific issue in the shadow of the main character's mind boggling decision whom of himselves to kill/keep alive.
@thewizard4200 Жыл бұрын
@@dudicrous Wasn't he forced to kill the "starting" himself to be able to transport elsewhere?
@IAmNotARobotPinkySwear Жыл бұрын
The collab you deserved. Here's to more in the future, keep doing great work Nick. Cheers from Vancouver, Canada.
@seijirou302 Жыл бұрын
Definitely, we already do the same thing just very slowly. The only difference with the transporter is the rate. That gives the illusion of being different and makes people uncomfortable, but if you're okay with living for years and years, then you're already okay with being entirely replaced at the component level and still being yourself.
@AlbertaGeek Жыл бұрын
This! Someone gets it!
@isaactippetts882 Жыл бұрын
Interesting view on this topic, I'll ponder this one for a while.
@jfbeam Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for someone to say this... bone generally does not regenerate, nor do brain cells. But otherwise, yes, much of the matter in our bodies is slowly replaced with new over time.
@jameshallam3221 Жыл бұрын
Because you don’t die by replacing every cell in your body you do in a teleporter
@AlbertaGeek Жыл бұрын
@@jfbeam Bone cells _are_ replaced over time, to the tune of about 10 years for a "complete overhaul". As you say, though, the brain generally does not, with exceptions being, from what a brief search turned up, brain cells in the hippocampus and subventricular zone.
@jackfraley9590 Жыл бұрын
I’m so happy to see Joe Scott in this episode
@ollietree323 Жыл бұрын
Generally no, Transporter = Destroyer + Cloning Machine. However, like you said, in an emergency I would, not because it will save me, but because I prefer that a clone of me gets to go on living when I couldn't.
@romanmarek5357 Жыл бұрын
I like your videos and you and CGP Grey are my long-time favourite education KZfaqrs.
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
I'm in good company then. Thanks 🙂
@rmdodsonbills Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceAsylum And the fact that you have Randall Munroe's Thing Explainer on your bookshelf just cements your good taste. :)
@ffggddss Жыл бұрын
Among your interviewees, I found it amusing how many "Dr. McCoy" answers you got to the "Would you use it?" question. "Bones" would always express distrust about having his atoms toyed with by 'that contraption.' I think all of us, including your guests, keenly sense that trepidation. Note that when you pointed out that our cells experience material turnover at an atomic/subatomic scale, it's worth noting, too, that many of the cells themselves die and are replaced on daily or weekly timescales. You correctly homed in on the "soul" question here, a matter that has long been a thorny one for science - "What makes you, you?" Science doesn't seem to have a handle on that question yet. Will it ever? All we can say right now is, "stay tuned!" Fred
@bobertblobert7812 Жыл бұрын
You're great and you deserve millions of subscribers.
@artdonovandesign Жыл бұрын
It's like all of your favorite bands on stage at once! WOW all the BEST science communicators!
@chrisakers3941 Жыл бұрын
I still fear that if I step on the transporter and get disassembled that my conscious goes out like a light, and a clone of me lives on. I would not see out my clone's eyes or feel any of his pleasures. I'm just dead.
@mikicerise6250 Жыл бұрын
I'm not letting them scramble my molecules. 😜
@castielvargastv7931 Жыл бұрын
I guess you are right. You die in the transport.
@chrisakers3941 Жыл бұрын
Also it's never provable whether my own conscious really survived. My clone will always say that it went fine, as he remembers stepping on the transporter and being sent here, having all my past memories. I'm too dead to let you know that i really died.
@paulharper6464 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisakers3941 Exactly. There is simply no way of knowing whether “you” will continue after transportation. That’s why I would not use it regardless of how many times it may have been used by others who report their own continence of consciousness
@kylebowles9820 Жыл бұрын
Epic collab video!
@TheHumanHades Жыл бұрын
I am very late for this video but now when I watched, it’s definitely amusing & thought provoking. Nice one Nick 😃
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
Glad you finally watched it then 🙂
@tamasmihaly1 Жыл бұрын
Like asking random people three hundred years ago if they'd use a car that rolls along at 70+ mph on balloon tires near to people that are reckless, careless, and in a big hurry. Most people would be horrified by the idea when the real dangers were explained to them. We casually ignore deadly dangers all the time in our everyday life. It's simply the novelty of it that scares us.
@justmoritz Жыл бұрын
100%. Came here to say this.
@jondo7680 Жыл бұрын
Well it's not just a danger, it physicaly kills you and makes another you somewhere else. It's controverse to tell if that's you or if you just died in the process. Since our cells die and get replaced every day I would say it's still you but I would still have a bad feeling using it.
@justmoritz Жыл бұрын
I think the discussion comes down to fear, and the understandable but ultimately irrational belief in some outer-bodily, unknowable soul. It's the same as the God question. It may exist, but due to its untestability, you might as well treat it like it doesn't. Didn't some people believe photographs would zap your soul away, too? And that likenesses like statues are bad? These are all understandable fears for someone raised from a small age with these concepts of soul, disembodied lifeforce, God, etc., not just in the context of religion, but also pop songs, pop culture, etc. But the scientific discussion about these needs to be psychological imo
@jondo7680 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelmurdock4607 you can't compare the risk of an accidental to real destruction of your whole body that makes me think that you still don't understand how this thing works, if you do than your comparison is just not so great. If you don't believe in anything outside the material, than this thing is literally killing you and replacing you by a perfect copy that's not you. And even if you believe in more than the material world than you don't know if that what makes you, you is also placed into the new you or not. So yes if we just talk material, than using this machine is legit suicide. You die, and get replaced by an identity chief, and riska of car accidents have nothing to do with this. You won't take a car if you would know that you would have an accidental and die in that ride. Here you know that you won't survive it this thing works by killing you.
@badmeatbrowniesthoughts1327 Жыл бұрын
Always a good day when Nick Lucid drops an upload. Always 🤙
@bartolomeothesatyr Жыл бұрын
I'm with Jabril; I wouldn't be first in line to try out the prototype, but once transportation tech passed regulatory review and survived a few years on the mass market without industry collapse from liability suits, I'd absolutely beam myself up.
@marcelotemer Жыл бұрын
Your answer was the best! I would only if I were already in a seriously life threatening situation. Because than it would be like preserving myself for others, even if I weren't preserving myself for myself.
@puck4801 Жыл бұрын
I'm just too selfish to go and do a thing like that. c:
@rtfmpeople Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Gave me a handful of new KZfaqrs to follow and watch in between TSA episodes! If they're good enough to show up here, they are good enough for me!
@jessicamorgan3073 Жыл бұрын
One of the best yet! (But they're all fab). We need more with 'The Gang'. 《When asked by Time magazine in 1994, "How do the Heisenberg compensators work?" Michael Okuda replied, "They work just fine, thank you》 Have you tried getting hold of Scotty or O'Brien? Keep up the good work.
@SuperMacGuy Жыл бұрын
The other Gene Roddenberry series, Earth: Final Conflict, also had transporters and there was an episode or two of that where there were some interesting side effects and some interesting criminals also.
@ricaard Жыл бұрын
I'd prefer wormholes; there's a better chance of me being *ME* on the other side, rather than a ridiculously accurate recreation.
@localverse Жыл бұрын
Nice touch with the surprise intro haha, and great topic that so many people philosophize about 👍 Also some surprises about quantum teleportation. 2 questions about it: 1) could you transmute: for example rearrange a few handfuls of silicon into a handful of gold? 2) in real life teleportation of a single particle, how do they destroy the original particle?
@davidwuhrer6704 Жыл бұрын
1) Conservation of energy shall not be violated! 2) The original is not destroyed, it just pops up in the place it is teleported to. Unless it doesn't, in which case, yea, it is destroyed.
@tycarne7850 Жыл бұрын
@@davidwuhrer6704 Wouldn't the fidelity required by the transporter actually require an essentially destructive scanning process to achieve the maximum resolution - to measure everything accurately enough at the quantum level would inherently require the scanning beam to change the position of all the particles. Same with uploading a brain, which does appear to use quantum effects, into a computer.
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
@@tycarne7850 You are correct. Physics requires the scanning process be destructive.
@localverse Жыл бұрын
@@davidwuhrer6704 Ok so gold is 14 times the atomic weight of silicon, so could you use teleportation to rearrange the 14 handfuls of silicon into a handful of gold? Hmmm, what would the energy difference be also in the nuclear bonds of silicon vs gold? Might have to add in a bunch of energy as well.
@localverse Жыл бұрын
@@davidwuhrer6704 Also, wasn't the whole premise of the video that the original is destroyed and then teleported? And I thought Nick mentioned that they've done the star trek style of teleportation with a single particle?
@Cman04092 Жыл бұрын
Cool to see some of my favorite educational youtubers cameo with one of my favorite educational youtubers. I love that kinda thing. It also gave me a few people I didn't know before to check out.
@frictyfranq321 Жыл бұрын
That is very similar as to asking, "Would you upload your 'consciousness' into a computer?" We see that we ourselves who think we 'exist' have a sense of dread into creating our own different version. I feel like this dread arises out of our realization of the uncertainties that REALLY make us. And naturally we'd end up rejecting it. It's so complex that I can't describe it honestly. Existential crisis is no joke.
@youtubeforcinghandlessucks Жыл бұрын
Good point. And especially if it turns out possible on classical instead of quantum computers it will remove the "no cloning" cop-out and really mess up people's views. However your claim "And naturally we'd end up rejecting it." is not true for all of us. You already saw in the video above materialists going "hell yeah" and I'm with them.
@cortster12 Жыл бұрын
Less the uncertainty, and more the fact that if there are two yous, only one of you will experience the continuation of consciousness from the original. Tricky thing about this is continuation of consciousness does not mean memories in this situation. You both could have the same memories, but only one would have Continuation of their subjective experience. This is impossible to measure, but one person would know: you. Whichever you that happens to be. Now this is what scares me. A reality where people just... accept this.
@youtubeforcinghandlessucks Жыл бұрын
@@cortster12 Materialists believe both copies will "experience continuation of consciousness" or in other words think they are you. And if you say it is "impossible to measure" then so do you, without completely understanding it.
@cortster12 Жыл бұрын
@@youtubeforcinghandlessucks I'm a materialist, and I believe only one will experience continuation of conciousness, so clearly not all of them. The only way to make it so both experience it is to split someone's brain in half then copy BOTH hemispheres while keeping the original brains, and 'transport' the two cloned sides to the missing halves. Creating two identical clones who are also the originals at the same time. Otherwise, one or the other isn't truly the original.
@youtubeforcinghandlessucks Жыл бұрын
@@cortster12 What did you mean by "impossible to measure" then? If you say they'll both act like the original but only one is actual continuation due to whatever hidden unmeasurable astral concept thing, then you are not materialist. Materialists understand the "If it quacks like a duck..."
@anant_singh Жыл бұрын
Just saw the video yesterday, and now watching this year's Nobel Prize announcement. What a coincidence that the video is closely related!
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
Anton Zeilinger (one of the winners) is an author of one of the papers I referenced for this video!
@draghettis6524 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I would probably use it, as long as I'm not a tester and it has been proven sufficiently safe for widespread, continuous use.
@ericvilas Жыл бұрын
I would absolutely use it. All that makes me "me" is the structure of my atoms, and it's not like there's anything distinguishing one carbon atom from another. If all my atoms are repositioned precisely somewhere else, that would be me. Like, fully 100% me. This actually got me thinking about clones. If my atoms got copied into 2 exact replicas, I don't think me saying I'm "actually" me would have any significance. In fact, I started wondering about how I'd deal with encountering my clone and I think the first thing we'd do would be flip coins to decide what to do in order to get that chaos theory separation of near-identical states rolling so we could just be clones instead of being _actually_ the same person. The second thing we'd do is make out, of course.
@mikicerise6250 Жыл бұрын
I'd just be like, "Okay, who needs to get a new job?" 🤣
@RandomMusingsOfLowMelanin Жыл бұрын
The question is, if you copy atoms, are you copying consciousness? That would mean consciousness resides in atoms? The 2 copies have 2 brains, does that imply there are now two copies of consciousness? I don't understand
@RandomMusingsOfLowMelanin Жыл бұрын
I have been watching this channel for so long, and I am so so happy that you finally get the recognition!
@roygalaasen Жыл бұрын
I said to myself as I clicked on the thumbnail for this video “Hey crazies!” Then the wrong guy appeared with that greeting. Then Jabrils popped up on the screen and I was like wow! I am tripping almost as much as when I watch his videos. You know the tripping feeling you have when his mouth moves and the words just doesn’t fit but they still somehow fit.
@riccardolachioma Жыл бұрын
fantastic video! from my point of view, considering that every x years all of our cells are renewed with all the atoms within them. we are phisically new but we FEEL to be the same as before.. so maybe we can consider the same is for teleportation but on a different scale of time, almoust instantaneous
@guilhermehx7159 Жыл бұрын
Eveeyrhing boils down to CONSCIOUSNESS, which we don't understand very well
@wefinishthisnow3883 Жыл бұрын
That cold open with people like Veritasium, VSauce Michael, Dr. Becky and Arvin was just showing off right? Lucky man.
@TheClinchMagazine Жыл бұрын
1:36 disappointed fan would have been the best meme to be inserted at this moment.
@Bozeman42 Жыл бұрын
I've had this conversation with my girlfriend and it is a HEATED ARGUMENT. I like your answer. I think generally no, but if it was "You are doing to die right now if you don't transport out of here" I would do it in a sort of "well, I'll be dead either way" sense.
@erumaaro6060 Жыл бұрын
100% same.
@I.C.Weiner Жыл бұрын
I don't really know if I would trust identical me with all my business and assets. I know that guy well enough to know he can't be trusted.
@mikicerise6250 Жыл бұрын
It's an interesting reflection on oneself. I'd totally trust myself.
@Bozeman42 Жыл бұрын
@@I.C.Weiner you have no idea. I have ADHD. Identical me is a fucking flake. 😭
@mattfanslow Жыл бұрын
If it copies perfectly, and I mean perfectly, then it should be no issue. You'll be "you". I suspect, though, that it will take a LONG, LONG, time to do so. Actually...if it could kinda go through my code and make some improvements, I'd be even more game.
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
Changing the code before reassembly is a much harder thing to do.
@mattfanslow Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceAsylum I'm just looking for 10...maybe 50 IQ points at most. And maybe a 2-3 point increase on a scale 1-10 in physical attractiveness. Maybe bump my resting metabolism just a smidge (technical terms, I know).
@CT-pi2gl Ай бұрын
2:28 "But do you want to be the guinea pig for the long term effects, even if there are no short term effects...?" That seems incredibly relevant to our modern world, somehow...
@ScienceAsylum Ай бұрын
Right?!!?!
@cherubin7th Жыл бұрын
The non cloning rule in quantum mechanics throws a curve ball into this. The original version in Star Trek is equivalent to me to know everything about you, then kill you, burn you, and then at some other place to create something that is indistinguishable to human observation. And in reality a 99% similar clone would look the same enough, because our verification is not perfect.
@raffareis Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, and great collab of our favorite tubers!
@Blimbus-Blombo Жыл бұрын
I've literally been talking to my friends about this recently. I don't think transportation of consciousness is possible, I think its basically a clone.
@RedwoodTheElf Жыл бұрын
It's a question of the "Closest Continuer" being the real "you" - So long as the original "you" was destroyed at the point of departure, the transporter "you", being the closest continuer of your "self" is, for all intents and purposes, still "you"
@markricker44 Жыл бұрын
Was talking about this the other day, too. We agreed that consciousness is like computer software *while it's running*. I can turn a computer off, move it to another room, and turn it back on. The software code (i.e. memory) is stored on a physical medium and can be moved/transported/duplicated. Consciousness is where stimuli meets memory... when the software is running and processing input/producing output.
@DASPRiD Жыл бұрын
@@RedwoodTheElf Outer Limits had an episode about that :D
@mazocco Жыл бұрын
@@RedwoodTheElf what if the original you was destroyed and never reconstructed? Wouldnt then be considered dead, disintegrated? What if then you were reconstructed after, say, 5 million years, would that be you? Ressurrected, or were you just temporarily dead? What if you could be reconstructed not once but as many times you wanted, would all of them be the same you? I believe what makes you you is the continuity of your matter, or more specifically the matter of your brain, and that is gone if the original you is disintegrated. You are not even completely you if you lose part of your brain in an accident for example...
@RedwoodTheElf Жыл бұрын
@@mazocco The first case, of never being reconstructed, wouldn't apply to a functioning transporter. Montgomery Scott was rematerialized many years after being dematerialized in the TNG episode "Relics" and he certainly seemed to be the same person.
@madacol Жыл бұрын
5:50 > Vsauce, The Original Edutainer ... or is he? LOL That was a great one!!! hahahaha
@askemervigbahnson333 Жыл бұрын
Nick standing right next to his clone: “CLoNinG iS ImpOSsiBLe”
@MC--- Жыл бұрын
The only thing I would consider to be a gap in continuity in consciousness would be going under anesthesia. I have been under once for an endoscopy for only 15 to 30 minutes and i had zero concept of any time passing or existing during that time. It is still a bit nerve-racking to think about. When I take a nap or go to sleep there is some level of awareness. Your subconscious filters a lot of it but I know when my dog needs to be let outside in the middle of the night. They don't wake me up directly but I hear them jump off the bed.
@zogar8526 Жыл бұрын
Like how when you wake up, you can normally guess the time, so long as you knew about when you went to bed, and be fairly accurate. That proves there is some level of consciousness still. You're rarely perfect with it, but also not off by too much either. Can't do that with anesthesia, at all. I've been under for 4 or 5 surgeries and yeah, that is just a total black out. Nothing like being asleep.
@thewizard4200 Жыл бұрын
That's the point, under anesthesia consciousness is gone, but not the mind, the mind still persist into subconscious.
@MC--- Жыл бұрын
@@thewizard4200 I guess my comment was related to the "Is it the same as sleep" section of the video. I would say it would be more like anesthesia than sleep.
@thewizard4200 Жыл бұрын
@@MC--- It's a bit the same, your brain activity persist even some minutes after your body is dead, so anesthesia, sleep, being knocked out, are all the same.
@bpz8175 Жыл бұрын
But that isn't a "real" gap in continuity. The brain is still active, it's just been forced into really deep unconsciousness by powerful drugs. They aren't really different, just numbers on a scale. It's absolutely possible to fall asleep that deeply outside of anesthesia, just rare. And you can also lack those concepts without even needing to be unconscious, by for example using hypnotic or dissociative drugs. Or your sleep can be so superficial you still have physical, conscious control of your body while dreaming. Point being that while they're subjectively different, sleep, anesthesia and coma are fundamentally the same - *decreased* level of consciousness. Removed level of consciousness requires death - although it may be possible to die and be resuscitated while under anesthesia of course.
@jeffreyb.2817 Жыл бұрын
Oh my, I have my own copy of the Star Trek Technical Manual. I even have the complete NCC-1701D schematics. I used the once to prove to my son that I was not just a Geek, but an Engineering Geek.
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
Cool! 🤓
@erikawanner7355 Жыл бұрын
Jealous! I wanted the schematics! I had the manual thou
@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958 Жыл бұрын
Nice to see so many KZfaq nerds collab-ing.
@Gh0sb0ss Жыл бұрын
Imagine someone using it everyday to get to work or something completely obliviously destroying themselves everyday and cloning a new exact clone somewhere else. Its like a whole dystopian sci fi plot in there
@ravenheartFF Жыл бұрын
If I understand how the process is described in the shows, the transporter not only takes you apart particle by particle, it converts those particles into a particular (unspecified) type of energy. That energy is then transmitted to the destination where it is used with the scan pattern to reconstruct you. How this happens without a receiving pad at the destination is something I've never tried to figure out. So since matter and energy are the same thing, and it's the same energy in the same configuration but at a different location, I'd say it was still you.
@theicyphoenix_7745 Жыл бұрын
but the real issue isn't the memories or the fact the body is completely the same,what is issue is the consciousness is it same one or just a new one put in to replace the one that died. sure we replace our own atoms all the time as our body ages,but we don't know what consciousness is and does that also get changed or stays the same.
@KorAsek453 Жыл бұрын
@@theicyphoenix_7745 You're fundamentally misunderstanding the in universe explanation. The transporters in Star Trek do not replace anything, they convert matter into energy and MOVE that energy from one place to another, then convert that energy back to the SAME matter. This is something that always pisses me off, people conflating the fictional tech of Star Trek transporters with real world teleportation theory which works very differently on a fundamental level.
@erikawanner7355 Жыл бұрын
I have that same Star Trek manual! Did you know that they created the transporter because the shuttlecraft sets got too expensive to create.
@PasiFourmyle Жыл бұрын
Question Clone's stare was just perfect!
@BoDiddly Жыл бұрын
I find it amazing that out of all of the possible "Science Educators" on youtube and around the world... I happen to regularly watch most of the ones you spoke with! What are the odds? ...and yes, I would use a transporter. Any other current form of transportation is such a hassle and takes Sooooo Looooong...
@synapse187 Жыл бұрын
I HAD THAT MANUAL!!! I would go around telling people how a warp engine works. This is also when I realized that startrek is one giant The Prestige. Forgot to answer. No I would not. I will stick to true quantum teleportation where every piece of your quantum state just gets shifted to a new location, or points in space where the distance between the 2 desired points is near 0.
@erikawanner7355 Жыл бұрын
So did I!!!! I loved explaining it!
@F_Mothering Жыл бұрын
Same.
@crackedemerald4930 Жыл бұрын
How does it work though
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
Warp drive is definitely a topic I want to cover eventually.
@synapse187 Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceAsylum You will need to cover inertial dampening systems and umm I think the main deflector dish for micro object impact issues. At least the warp bubble itself takes care of mass.
@hblanche Жыл бұрын
The best part of this video is that you've introduced me to some other folks whom I need to check out on KZfaq. Only after I watch the latest The Science Asylum, of course. Oh, and I wouldn't volunteer to be an early adopter; but yes, I would be willing to use a transporter after a while.
@nikgokuhil Жыл бұрын
Michael after teleporting: Hey Vsauce, Michael here....or am I?
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
😂
@calvinshepherd114 Жыл бұрын
I was hoping you’d mention Nolan’s Prestige movie! Excellent example of continuity for one person but not the other!
@tavan5331 Жыл бұрын
If we could pull all the organs out of a person and separate the limbs from the torso, move them to a different hospital and reassemble them, I think most people would think it macabre but still feel like it’s the same person who wakes up in the other hospital. Does the size of the pieces really matter if the end result is identical in every way?
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
Good point! But what if it's different atoms that are reassembled, just in the same exact pattern?
@saar5947 Жыл бұрын
Two of my favourite science youtubers, honestly.
@Random_PersonOfficial Жыл бұрын
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S Veritasium AND Vsauce
@hoangtaminh8721 Жыл бұрын
All the giants in the same vid this is crazy! So amazed by this 'crossover'
@wesplybon9510 Жыл бұрын
Joe Scott... I love how these topics really get to him and how he's not afraid to let us know he's shook.
@Wineman3383 Жыл бұрын
I would have to try the transporter at least once. I'm too curious to not see if you feel differently once through. Plus you can get to your vacation spot instantly when ever you felt like it.
@tommyjones1357 Жыл бұрын
Finally, a comment that actually discusses the topic at hand.
@muatok9904 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely no hesitation just think of how useful it can be teleport to work and back, a quick jump to Tokyo for lunch, when sitting on the couch teleport to the kitchen and back to grab a beer.
@mduvigneaud Жыл бұрын
Great video and great question! I would use a teleporter in the context of the Star Trek universe: that it was tested and deemed to be safe. I use a lot of technologies that have been deemed safe but still have some known risks. I wouldn't want be the *very first* thing ever teleported, though.
@512TheWolf512 Жыл бұрын
if we technically die when we go to sleep and inhabit a different consciusness when we wake up, then i'd use it. because that would mean that there is no difference.
@donkeyhobo34 Жыл бұрын
I'd use it if it works right. Like if it makes you just with new atoms, I think it's still you. It's like how every 7 years all your cells have been replaced with new ones
@new_trin0510 Жыл бұрын
Your neurons are never replaced though. I’d say those are the important cells that make you *you*
@thewizard4200 Жыл бұрын
@@new_trin0510 Great Job :D
@thewizard4200 Жыл бұрын
@@new_trin0510 However neurons always die, and at your birth you had the same neurons you have now, then they grew in number till you were sixteen, then they died till you where twenty one to twenty five. So, are you for real your neurons?
@donkeyhobo34 Жыл бұрын
@@new_trin0510 but it's still possible to copy them. Like on two healthy brains, if you copy the same learnable skills by doing the thing neurons do the more you learn, it should have the same outcome
@earthrise3672 Жыл бұрын
I'm just impressed that there is an actual technical manual for the star trek transporter, and it covers the Heisenberg uncertainty principle!
@IamGhede Жыл бұрын
I'm with Nick in that it would have to be a life threatening situation to give it a try. Otherwise I'm not getting anywhere near your Futurama Suicide Booth. Call it a transporter all ya want.
@barefootalien Жыл бұрын
I absolutely would use one. There's no reason at all that such a device couldn't reassemble me without the many injuries and defects that make my life a living hell, like in the episodes in which they use it to cure diseases.
@dbilyeu Жыл бұрын
Using it to cure all sorts of things makes sense to me. And what about intelligence? Could we ramp up say from a 140 IQ to 200? I have been fascinated with this problem since reading “Flowers for Algernon” in high school. That’s a short story by Daniel Keyes I think.
@bozo5632 Жыл бұрын
Imagine they made the defect-free copy, and the two of you (lol) had a nice chat, and then, maybe a few days later, it came time to get rid of the original. Still sounds good?
@bozo5632 Жыл бұрын
@@dbilyeu Fantastic story, made a gigantic impression on me. I wish more people knew it because I refer to it all the time.
@barefootalien Жыл бұрын
@@bozo5632 Copying/cloning is impossible, as he explained in the video. But even if the scenario you describe were to happen, a-la Tom Riker... yeah. Still sounds good.
@barefootalien Жыл бұрын
@@dbilyeu Yeah, in a sense it could be like genetic engineering, only it can apply immediately rather than creating all the typical striation and classism depicted in something like Gattaca. That is assuming it's cheap enough to actually _do_ to do it for everybody, of course. I suppose, like anything, it could be used to make the "haves vs have-nots" problem even worse than it already is. On the other hand, on a philosophical level, considering that I consider the continuation of intelligent life to be supremely important above all other considerations, while it would be tragic if the majority died off of old age while a super-race was born of the transporter/editor we're theorizing, ultimately it would still be a net positive in my view. In that way, this isn't very different from a singularity event in which we all (or some of us) upload our consciousnesses to computers, although _that_ option actually has some significant advantages over mere teleportation/editing technology.
@isaactippetts882 Жыл бұрын
I'd so often ponder this and I'd always think I'm crazy so I'm so happy there are other people with me on this. It just doesn't feel right to me. I would if it were life threatening not to like you said, but otherwise I'd probably just spend the extra gas money. Love your videos!
@puck4801 Жыл бұрын
To me, using this to escape a life-threatening situation is... redundant, because if the thing simply kills you and then makes a new you, there's not much point...
@willies545 Жыл бұрын
Joe Scott, walking existential crisis XD
@Chad_Thundercock Жыл бұрын
6:16 "Quantum mechanics forbids this." Matt of PBS Spacetime
@csehszlovakze Жыл бұрын
probably my quickest *no* ever 😂😂😂 an Asgard transporter beam, however...
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
Just like Joe Scott. His answer was _so_ fast! (As for the Asgard beam, that's more of a wormhole, so there are fewer philosophical issues.)
@harthur2010 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I would totally use a transporter. All the cells in our body are replaced every 7 - 10 years, so, in a way we do this already. I would just want to leave behind some of those cells, say 20 - 30 lbs from around the waist area :)
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
😆
@DaedalusYoung Жыл бұрын
It's not entirely true. Brain cells are typically replaced much less often, and some brain cells are never replaced at all. What if these non-replacing cells hold the key to consciousness? And by replacing them in the transporter, you effectively wipe that consciousness and create a brand new one? You personally would never know what happens after you go through the transporter, because your consciousness has been destroyed. The new one will not be able to tell it's new, because it has all your memories, but it isn't you. For most intents and purposes, that doesn't matter. But it matters to you.
@PriitKallas Жыл бұрын
Great to see The Science Asylum helping new struggling KZfaq creators to get exposure
@Kazedor Жыл бұрын
1:13 For f&#*! Real?! Omg! You had the most amazing parents ever!
@danielbeaird6264 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if this would be where relativity would meet the quantum... isn't alot in relativity depending on your frame of reference? So wouldn't this question depend on the frame of reference as well? Also it was cool seeing soo many favorite science communicators like this, excellent work, i would love to see more colabs cause its almost like you verify each other. And with soo much miss information on the internet its kind of a nice reassurance 🙌
@JasonB808 Жыл бұрын
I just was talking to my brother over Skype last night. When I think about it. Video Chat is a form of teleportation. It’s not the physical body that is being broken down into its atomic structure and reconstructed elsewhere. But our camera is capturing photons bouncing off ourselves and the background. Our microphone is capturing the air pressure waves created by our vocal cords. This information is changed from an analog signal into digital data in real time transported over the internet from the sending device, then reconstructed on the receiving device. This gives the feel that the person you are talking to is in the same room you are in while many miles away. The most mind boggling thing is that any recorded videos or audio is like that. All they are is information of something that was recorded a long time ago. Anytime they are played back, the device recreates the video or audio as it was recorded those many years ago. Basically information can travel through space and time and be reconstructed any time and anywhere, provided you have the means to process that information.🤯
@jfbeam Жыл бұрын
As my granddad used to joke... "that's my favorite hammer - I've replaced the handle twice and the head once."
@yohanesbobbysanjaya3541 Жыл бұрын
" *it takes courage to go into that machine not knowing if i'll be the man in the box or on the prestige* " - Robert Angier, The Prestige.