Regarding the Bobovr M3 pro. I ended dropping a 'undred quid on the M2 pro with dual battery's and 3d printed a conversion kit so it fits the Quest3. Works a treat. I couldn't wait for the M3 as it's release kept slipping and the few that became available flew off the shelves faster than toilet paper during lockdown 😊

@@srgpip5620 - That's legit a smart idea - I was debating doing the same. I couldn't catch a M3 from Amazon and their website claimed 3-4 week shipping times and had weird charges added so I didn't follow through. I might follow your footsteps since the batteries seem to be the same - and then just upgrade the batteries whenever they make a better version of those.

Nice

I took my Quest 3 back for a refund. There was this issue. Passthrough looked like sh1t. There is also the terrible battery life, and adding an external battery pack barely helps. I predict a lot of headsets with dead batteries after the one year warranty has expired. If you buy this headset prior to a revised version of it, with a better battery pack, you may be wasting your money IMHO.

They say this, yet advertise crisp pass through. It’s quest 2 pass through with color.

Same! I almost returned it, still may. I feel like I have a blurry spot in my lenses but it may be mura.

Same for me, but apart from that im really enjoying the thing, cool gadget

@@y_zass I notice that the lenses on mine are REALLY reflective. It's very noticeable when there's certain lightings going on in game

​@@particely noticed that too, especially when watching movies it can be really bad

I appreciate that, thank you! I'm definitely trying to keep this style (but have also gotten some nice camera + audio upgrades for quality). I'm finally back home and starting to make videos again. I hope to start dropping again soon!

That's an accurate description! And agreed. I'm looking forward to the improvements

Probably not lmao

100% agreed. It's definitely still usable, but I feel the overhype did a disservice to the community and caused panic + confusion instead of enjoyment of the new tech we have access to. Also just FYI in case you haven't yet seen, Meta announced yesterday they are going to be able to improve the passthrough experience quality via software improvements as they get more data from people's cameras.

The overhype was from Meta's content creators that weren't allowed to say anything negative about it. We know who you are!!

I got it today and i have the same feeling

The update a few days ago did absolutely nothing to improve such. It really is one of the biggest marketing cons I’ve seen. Sure, it’s great as a stand-alone VR device. But for mixed reality is an absolutely gimmick and has me questioning the veracity of some reviewers !! It’s rife in the e sim racing community.

Ehi same here i ve never experienced vr so was my first headset i bought yesterday, apart passthrough barely usable i didnt find the movies or home windows to be so crisp and sharp i thought i had a defective one returned it today got the new one but it s the same. So is it normal that in the home or the movies or txt in general are not so crisp or sharp? It s somewhat pixelated edges and bit blurriness

Haha, I really appreciate that! I think it's because I'm new to this.. regardless, I will continue to put out quality content and hope we make some big moves in 2024.

Same here, just got my quest 3 today and I could barely read the phone which is supposed to be part of the setup. Glad to know it's "normal"

Same got mine today had same issue

I'm glad it was helpful! Thanks for taking the time to watch. And agreed - the MR experience works because of the overlay graphics.. even in an office setting because once you are in a flow state, you don't really notice your surroundings anyway because you're working on the screens. I have a full review coming where I share my thoughts on mixed reality as a whole. It will probably take me a couple weeks to get it out because it will be somewhat long.

Appreciate that! Meta just announced yesterday (10/24) that they are confirming future updates will make the quality better - once they have more user data from the cameras for their AI to process and improve upon. I would expect we'll be seeing fairly regular updates until they hit a ceiling.

Thank you for taking the time to watch! And yes, fun playing tip if you use your finger to cover the camera, you will be able to confirm that the passthrough is using the same camera you're recording from.

It won't, it's like asking that your digital camera will gain one or two stops through firmware. It won't happen

@@TheDigitalGuerrilla It might though. I mean look at DLSS with the use of AI. I'm sure something similar can be done with this too.

@@flashpunk7333 Those are different technologies, no camera uses that kind of tech, even smartphones. You can filter grain but there is no reconstruction because it needs more info about the scene: depth, motion vectors, ID, and so on

​@@TheDigitalGuerrillawell according to Meta's CTO,Andrew Bosworth:"Yes,it will continue to improve as we continue to get real world lightning conditions and information from the headsets that have been picked up, we start to tune the algorithms that drive it more effectively. And so i do think it will continue to improve - modestly - from here for a little while as we do a better job depth estimating with where your hands and working with the distortion around that, and things like that. So yeah, we're gonna continue to work on it as we have with the quest pro." So if u trust what he say then the answer will be yes , the pass through will improve.

@@ketchai995 trust them as you trusted the promotional material, breath in that sweet sweet copium 😁

I'm glad it helped! And 🤣.. you, me, and thousands of others had the same worry.

it was exactly what im looking for

I thought I had a lemon too, it was grainy as hell lol.

i looked at my box and it was already dropped, made me questioning even more haha

I just got my Quest 3 today and set it up and i also thought the noise and fuzzyness was i that i got defected item. So now im here finding some answers! I'm guessing this is just normal then, i felt abit let down, but the menus and everything else are clean and nice.

Truly appreciate that, thank you; and glad it helped!

Truly appreciate that, thanks for watching!!

Welcome board!! And thank you for taking the time to watch. MR has a ways to go in my opinion, but if you want to be there at the ground floor then this is the time. Otherwise, I'd wait a bit to see if more experiences get released! I'm on the developer newsletter list and Meta pushed out occlusion updates to developers with a bunch of new SDK features a couple months back.. so I presume we'll have some awesome experiences on the way. Currently, it still feels like a bit of a gimmick.. and the long-awaited augments was only just released like recently (so recently I don't even have the update on my device yet) but we already know it's going to be a bit gimmicky as well.

Hahaha, glad to know I'm not alone on that one! =) I agree with you there, I am enjoying passthrough still. The virtual monitors even work super well; it's just the little window to see your keyboard is a bit too blurry. Meta says they are going to be pushing software updates to make it better for us, though, so fingers crossed! What have been your favorite mixed reality experiences or games thus far? I'm finally about to get into the gaming side of things now that I've finished this video.

+1

Same like mine

Same feelings

Agreed. It felt disappointing to see the below par pass through, it definitely bordered on false advertising from Meta. Glad to see it is a general problem and not just my unit 😅

same thing we saw a guy working on his car with it... our shop wanted to use it for high end car while doing timing chain and motor rebuild, to get the specs next to us and improve time management and get our apps on it.. sooo deceiving , its a great device for gaming and entertainement but its not there yet to work with. Edit: I forgot to mention that watching sport like hockey with it is Crazy nuts, you have an option to be like seated in the arena and have to turn your head to keep on the game!

@@appache28 oh man yeah I can see how that would be insane help. Hands free manuals and access to quick references. I wonder if you’ll be able to do that with the Apple Vision Pro instead. That sounds crazy. What app would that be in?

@@Gsxrdannyy we planned to use all data online and oem manufacturer app that are windows based but would have linked by the vr desk kinda of app. I will research the apple one you mentioned thanks alot!!

@appache28 Well, if you want it for that I wouldn't count on the Vision Pro since it's apples first headset and probably more for standalone stuff and integrating with other apple products. Would go with the Varjo XR 4, they specifically make there headsets for commercial use purpose. I could test the XR 3 shortly last year and it works amazing for stuff like that

ohh thank alot@@grek543210 yes i figured out the apple one by this time, but this is interesting since the comercial aspect, im looking forward to it!

Really appreciate that, and of course, thanks for watching!

Really appreciate that, thanks for taking the time to watch. =)

Of course, thank you for watching! I have thousands of user comments now and can confirm this is normal.

Appreciate that, and I'm glad I could help!! Welcome aboard. =) I should have my full Quest 3 review completed this week.

😂 - they bamboozled us good. And I really appreciate that, thanks for taking the time to watch!

Woot! Glad to hear it. =)

Thank you for taking the time to watch! Appreciate you!

Sure thing! Thank you for taking the time to watch

no problem i also subbed! i felt like i was the only one having this problem since everyone said its all about lighting do you happen to have a discord server? Its easier for me to stay updated that way😁

Welcome aboard! I don't have one currently, I'm a bit small and still getting my KZfaq sea legs; once I am able to get videos out more quickly and have time to managed a Discord, I'll definitely create one!

Love to hear it! Able to see your computer screen seems like major clarity; any idea what type of display/panel you have (OLED, LED : IPS / VA / TN)? Even after I got to a point where I could read my OLED phone, I still can't read my IPS computer displays (unless I scale the UI/fonts up a lot). Also love mine! Excited to see what new stuff comes in the future now that they have mixed reality occlusion ready for developers to take advantage of and full upper body tracking. Should be a fun couple years.

Thank you! You too!

Appreciate that, and thanks for taking the time to watch! And most definitely agreed.

🤣. You buying? And thank you! I really appreciate that.

Agreed, and good to hear it served your purpose. That's an awesome use case that I hadn't considered - do you upload your sets anywhere I can see the POV for fun? Also, if you were new to DJing and didn't know where all the buttons were, would you be able to read all the levels and dials?

Amytime fam, glad it was helpful!

Thank you for watching! And yes, that about sums up my experience as well. =)

Truly appreciate that! We're definitely building our way up =)

Thank you! Try turning down your phone's screen brightness to see if that helps at all for you - that helped me able to read my phone in most situations.

Interesting! Are both headsets on the same software version / have you rebooted both and still seeing a noticeable difference?

@@aline.tech.reviews gonna check the actual version number, but they both said they were updated fully. My mom's is closer to mine, but her's is the 128gb edition.

@aline.tech.reviews ok typing this on my phone from her device, it's system version 49743630046900510 Version 59.0.0.172.706.535429038 Runtime version 59.0.0.171.706.535429024 Os version SQ3A.220605.009.A1 Yes, my device has the same software version. Both 512gb. Rebooted. Charged fully and drained fully, and with and without the Binbok extra batteries too. I have noticed on mine that there are some instances I notice an improvement on mine un different apps, so I'm leaning towards a bug fix Or quite possibly inconsistency in the pancake lenses and refraction of light by different apps in certain areas of the screen

probably they have the same focus issues like action cameras. Since the the focus is fixed on those cameras the quality control is important. If the focus wasnt set right, the camera will be blurred on near objectfor example, others go Pros have the sweet spot in the distance and so on. If that is the case with the Quest3 you can not change it with software. The passtrough on mine looks like like a 2006 webcam. I feel only the VR fanatics scream "amazing" because they are used to low standards i guess, For me as VR beginner it looks terrible.

I too am a first time buyer for vr. You spoke my mind exactly, from a technology progession standard it is much better, or so I hear, but to us people watching the ads and glowing reviews from previous vr enthusiasts, it seemed to alter our expectations to something a little more, refined. Like the video said, it's passable. But but I would imagine VR is easier than AR since there are unlimited variables. ​@danbarb9728

Appreciate you sharing your experience!! And agreed, even with the poor passthrough quality, the device is still far worth the $. My full review is dropping later today! I am finishing the edit on it now.

Yea, the recent update helped a lot with saturation and color science, but didn't improve any of the grainy/blurry noise for me.

​@@aline.tech.reviews Passthrough just got updated again, would be cool if you did a video on it!

Sorry to hear that =( Yea, I think the next generation will have better passthrough now that Meta will want to top/match the AVP offering

Interesting idea I hadn't considered! I don't believe that's natively possible but I will try to see if I can't load the camera app view at the same time

You're very welcome! I'd argue it's AMAZING for play and goofing around, but NOT AT ALL beneficial for work. If your focus is productivity then you should wait for the Immersed Visor or the next iteration of the Apple Vision Pro (this first one is excellent so far, but not worth $3,500). IMO, for work, a 49-inch display is going to benefit you much more.

Haha, you and so many others! Glad it helped =)

Yea, based on the 1,000s of accounts now this level of quality is confirmed the norm! Glad it was helpful!

Yea, the footage showed pre-sale was definitely misleading 😔

Yes, floating around Earth would also be amazing!! See you in space, my friend!

Interesting. That definitely sounds wild and implausible, but I will hold reservations until I watch the video and try it! Resetting the device should be easy enough because you dont need to log in before you can see the passthrough quality (if I remember correctly, the setup process was happening in passthrough).

Reminder: mine is likely the same as yours - this is how the confusion started. What you see in this video is recorded directly from the camera and is NOT what I see inside my headset.

Truly appreciate that! I wasn't planning on reviewing the AVP, but I've gotten enough requests for it that I'm going to. It won't be until mid-March that I can squeeze that in, but it's on the docket!

Yea, it's very hard to tell - they mentioned it could be improved with AI as they gather more users' headset data.. but by how much is unknown (my skeptical guess assumes not by much). There's only like 3 new experiences for mixed reality in their store.. so maybe there is going to be a second wave of updates to really "unlock its potential" (but this is more a hope than anything).

Appreciate that! I haven't gotten to test one of the higher-end Varjos (XR-3 + 4), unfortunately. However, I did just snag an Apple Vision Pro and its passthrough is better quality than the Quest 3's; I wouldn't claim that it's miles ahead, but it is surely a decent step up. I believe SadlyItsBradley compared it to the quality of XR-3 passthrough. I hope that I get a chance to look through an XR-4 once they get it fully settled! But yes, the 4k screens + higher PPD + eye tracking will hopefully become the new standard. I'm super impressed with the AVP so far + the OS with ability to overlay apps has restored faith that we're heading in the right direction. I'm with you there and super stoked for the next-gen devices with XR3 + Samsung's incoming refreshed micro OLEDs.

Really appreciate that! I feel like the VR community oversold it as well.. which feels bad.

Likewise! It's impressive that they fit this much tech into a headset and controls for only $500 - it seems like an excellent representation of where the consumer tech is at and what we can expect in the future. I've been having a blast working in VR and having passthrough for my keyboard or when I need to stretch my legs is invaluable.

Truly appreciate that, thanks for taking the time to watch and sub!

Right! I feel the marketing + VR reviewers did the community a disservice by not setting clear expectations of the difference.. and spun the community into confusion/panic instead of enjoyment of the new tech we have access to.

Definitely an OVER HYPED product by meta and some reviewers. I’m very disappointed with my Q3 experience.

Your description is spot on and is the same experience that I am having. I also have to turn down my phone's brightness to better read text in that 10 inches, otherwise white text (dark mode) gets super washed out. I truly appreciate that - thank you for taking the time to watch and leave a thoughtful comment.

Haha, that's incredibly wholesome, and I feel you. There were quite a few experiences that made me laugh out loud with joy when trying for the first time.

Appreciate that! Thank you for taking the time to watch and leave a thoughtful comment. =) And haha, hope I was able to save you some time looking said settings and missed plastic. I think I spent like 2-3 weeks trying to "fix" it - which was the primary driver for making this video.

@@aline.tech.reviews Thanks for your reply, and thanks again for your videos. I have to say, that Virtual Desktop makes it possible for me to actually read something on the screen, but I also know that this is not really pass-through/mixed reality. However it does look good. :) Unfortunately, it also means I have to upgrade my Wifi network at home, as 5G provides me only with 40Mps, so 6E or even 7 it is....eventually. ;) I would REALLY appreciate your thoughts, experiences and hints for setting up a usable VD environment. Any chance? ;) Keep up the good work!! Ps. the link to view your gear does not work for me

First channel! I think I have a long way to go before being good on camera, but I'm trying to improve with every video. I really appreciate the kind words!

@@aline.tech.reviews I'd say you are starting at an advantage to 95% of people. Very impressive keep up the great work.

Appreciate you sharing your experience! I like your dark fuzzy world dream comparison. RE: optimizing your experience, if you haven't yet check out the Quest Games Optimizer. It's $10, but allows you to force increased resolution for games that run (and they have a ton of pre-built profiles for all the popular games so you don't have to fiddle around with settings much). This boost to the cpu/gpu and redering resolution will come at the cost of decreased playtime as it will suck up battery. I'm compary batteries for a video now but so far the BoboVR S3 is coming out on top with nearly 5 hours of play time.

@@aline.tech.reviews Just in time, I bought this today and noticed that battery was running out way sooner than it's supposed to. :)

Glad it helped! Thanks for taking the time to watch. Rest of the headset is awesome!!

Thanks for your continued support!! I have them in my wishlist, but I haven't purchased yet! I will probably cop a pair here for black friday / cyber monday online sales. I'm excited to try them out

Crazy coincidence but the XReal Air 2 had just gone on sale and had their influencer early reviews launched yesterday - I preordered a pair so that I can review.

@aline.tech.reviews What a coincidence! I look forward to that review. I'm a trader, and just like you I spend all day at home staring at the screens, so if the XReal glasses are any good, I will be buying them 🤞

Appreciate that!

Watching movies and playing games is not nearly as grainy as the passthrough experience! The passthrough is unique and has a lot of noise from the cameras + is doing a lot of compression/stitching/mapping. I generally find that movies and games are high quality. For example, even watching KZfaq videos on a giant theatre screen looks awesome. It's nowhere near a 4k OLED TV, and you can see gaps between and individual pixels if you look for them, but it's definitely good enough. It's even better in games because you are immersed in the experience and pay less attention to things like the screen door effect/gaps between pixels; this is especially true if you use Quest Games Optimizer or run a PCVR game.

Let me get back to you on this with my full opinion, after I have tested more apps! But for giggles I'm typing first quick opinions to you now from inside Workrooms in passthrough. So far, I've only tried 1 of many virtual desktop options that supports passthrough, and that is Workrooms. In Workrooms (the default Meta version), the displays seem limited to 1920x1200 (up to 3 of them). All locked at what seems to be 60hz. It's fairly smooth; there's a little jitteriness around the edges when you move your head, and the screens do wiggle a bit.. but it's not something that throws me off at all because there's also a motion blur that happens as you move your head that smooths it out and makes it feel "natural". It's hard to put into words how the wiggle looks, but its like the pixels are slightly shifting their perspective to fit where you're looking better. The screens are fairly "locked in space" (in general I feel all the VR windows/settings/etc. "lock" super well into 3d space.. it's really impressive how well that feature works when you walk around your house). If I headbang like I'm at a rock concert, then I can exaggerate it, but it still doesn't get that bad! I have found that the when in full passthrough mode, though, the cameras are worse than they are when just using passthrough by itself to walk around.. so your environment gets extra blurry, a little wavy and warps as you move your head (way more movement than the slight wiggle from the screens). When I'm at my desk and actively working, I prefer to be in the virtual environment using the passthrough window to see only my keyboard/mouse - and then I tap out to full passthrough if I am doing something outside of direct PC focus. Important note keep in mind that the resolution isn't going to match your triple monitor widescreen setup in here - there's just not enough pixels to go around so the crispness of your screens is reduced (but still usable!). I'd say that's probably the biggest limitation I've found as it makes reading text for a long time difficult. In Quest Link mode, though, you can use your full screen resolution as a massive display in front of you which makes it feel like you're in an IMAX front row. I can't tell what refresh rate it's at though, it can't match my monitor and feels like 60hz still. There's also no passthrough option in here that I can find.. so it's fully a virtual world with your screen in front of you. The experience and fidelity of the screen in this space is much better than the Workrooms passthrough, but I can only seem to have 1 screen up at a time. There are 2 more apps that I'm going to finish testing out "Immersed VR" and "Virtual Desktop" - they both support passthrough and the latter has 120hz support now. They also give you much more control over your virtual screen size/placement/etc. I need a lot more time to play with them and test before I can give my opinions! I haven't had time to set up the latter as it requires a 5ghz router connected to your PC and I spent the past two weeks playing with passthrough cameras and making this video.. but I have set myself a reminder to check back in with you here as I do plan to test them all this weekend.

@@aline.tech.reviews wow thank you sooooo much for the massive in depth answer!! It sounds like it is totally useable then in workrooms and the pass through us totally useable and tough to make it looks bad. Now I'm very curious to hear what you have to say when you test out Immersed VR and Virtual Desktop. A 120hz experience has to feel l buttery smooth compared to the 60hz just like when phones finally made that jump and I could never look at a 60hz screen the same way again. Keep up the good work and I look forward to your updates!

Dont worry avp is the same case u can read a screen for exactly 7 inches of diference between both headsets, so its a little better But still far from the video recording quality

You're very welcome, I'm glad it helped! I haven't had a ton of luck with my computer monitors, either 😔 They push out too much light unless you have an OLED screen with a black background.