The opposite is true as well

How’s this working out for you bro

why? your reasons please :)

@Sean networking and programming or starting to blur together. Networkers are now starting to learn and write python scripts to automate the configuration of switches and routers.

What means DoD ?

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@@ciprianghenghea7779 a little late, but means Department of Defense lol

Tiduas Yeah exactly. according to me, development is really boring compare to networking. it's taste bad

Jayf JagoPrograming is fun, man.. am a developer and i like creating thing for others to use... creating things form scratch... solving problems of others with my own mind... people following my application as if am their God... I like doing things like coding and hacking.. hacking with me its like food in my llife

+Benson Karue I understand you love programming, but some people love administration just as much. If, on average, admins got paid more than programmers, would you love programming any less? That's the point Tiduas was making. If you're going to be doing something 40+ hours a week, it'd be a good idea to actually like what you do instead of jumping on the bandwagon, doing something you don't enjoy. That's a recipe for burnout. I'd rather make $70k and look forward to work, than $90k and dread going in. In short, do what you enjoy. Your quality of life will thank you for it.

regardless of hardware or virtual appliances, you would still need knowledgeable people to make the virtual appliances work. I cant tell you how many managers i've come across who think putting everything in the cloud is synonymous with reducing the complexity of how a network operates. Just cause a person can say cloud doesn't mean they know how it works.

@thomas samson hyper-v if you have a windows computer then deploy any distro and have fun widit

You can't cook (development), until you know how to operate the microwave (networking (you can also insert the word MATH here)). Like Janis Joplin said, "It's all one big network." Let's say your a database programmer, and the boss gives you the network address of the db server. It starts with //. You bess not said, "What is that sir?" You be demoted to mail room.

Yes, I know. I did it for years too without understanding it. Just like you can write music without understanding music theory. You can paint without knowing primary and secondary colors. You can grow old without knowing how to be a man.

+Luke Grekat I once had a Dean of a Computer Science department at a major university tell me that there are people out there with doctorates in computer science that had no idea how to format a hard drive and install Windows or any OS. : /

+TheEgonTowst LOL! You're funny! Hot Pockets for supper, eh!

+TheEgonTowst I learned this lesson the hard way. I was doing network programming in my younger days, TCP sockets, etc. And then one day my new boss said, go get the files on the share. My reply was, "What's a share?" Twenty-ive years later, I still hate to tell the story. Like, um, what's the big deal...a developer can learn networking in a few courses. The only tough stuff is the subnet mask stuff, and that's rarely needed. LOL!

we're on the same page

it's not like you constantly code 9-5 in every minute.

that's what I'm thinking I don't wanna be behind a laptop just coding nonstop i want to be interactive

Totally agree I think coding suites more fat slobs that want to sit at a desk never using body only brain. Infrastructure requires both.

Development is mainly debugging and researching (planning your solution) and a bit of coding and debugging the code and fixing errors. I haven't met a single developer that spends hours coding away and if they do that then I highly doubt they're a professional developer It's like a penetration tester jumping into exploiting without any reconnaissance (information gathering)

+T Wyatt wat kind of development

let me add: If you choose networking as your primary objection, please learn some Linux admin from a server perspective, learn bash scripting, and python network programming (add Ruby to the mix, if possible). "Application Support Analyst" is the new code name because of the many SaaS and cloud software systems in place. Along with keeping the email coming, you'll be expected to support and troubleshoot an application from the back end before it is handed over to the network and software engineers, respectively.

Hi, im right now strugling what path should I choose. I really wana work remotely and to have oportunity to be more flexible with my location. But sometimes im scared if im good enought for developer job. Right now I have CCENT and some more Cisco certificates. And now i dont know if is hould invest all my free time into programing or in CCNA.

I see what you mean, however there is big cases where a company would NEVER outsource anything that has to do with sensitive information, excepted with some big trustworthy companies

That's SOO TRUE!

Would you give work to people who hardly speak your language and have a different cultur ? I don't think so ... Maybe for small tasks, outsourcing could be OK in order for the team to focus on important tasks. Take it as a motivation, get good at what you do, so almost nobody could replace your skill ^^. And yes softskill will do the difference.

Most government dev are from Asia

Systems administration and networking jobs can also be outsourced. My Windows 2000 systems admin job was outsourced to Mexico City in 2003, even though the Mexican administrators spoke only broken English.

Php, Java, .net and asp.net are currently more in demand.

Na na... NodeJS, Django, GoLang is on hype now

After 5 years of that comment did you enter web development?

@@koussayboudhiba2034 Software development actually👍, Eli was right. This year i well get my Master degree in Information Security and forensics, and guess what ? Software development helped me a lot in my Thesis project.

This was 2 years ago, rails was way more popular then. At the moment, python is looking a bit better for the future, with something like flask or django. If you want to go enterprise / scalability, java+spring might be something to shoot for. Node.js is a viable alternative, purely in javascript.

Chris Snyder I am the opposite type of you. I like logics and the stuffs you hate, but I hate technology, gadgets, & stuffs. I guess networking and IT is right for you.

I hate it when everything goes right, lol, debugging is awesome. It's where I learn.

+Andy Le uh? javascript never ends. Learn node.js, angularjs, mongo, and MEAN stack. Javascript is full stack. For ruby all you need to know is ruby first then move to framework ruby rails. You have to know design patterns, and mvc.

Ha. I just finally am starting to wrap my mind around jQuery. JavaScript is such a beautiful language. So much to it.

Andy Le Uh javascript now is es 2015. It's changing.

Oh really then what is cloud? It still requires other company to manage hardware equipment, and to do you want another company storing your data and trusting them? Ha, not if you have a good CIO that knows saving money is not always better.

you need to deal with virtual equipments which is THE SAME

so in the cloud everything just runs on thin air? no physical equipment in the cloud?

Please go for computer security course or computer technology.... Am a graduate of computer scie and holder of maters of science in software engineering and i would recommend you to go for comp tech or comp security course... computer science will dive you into maths (Analyzing , vectors algebra some bits of congruences and cryptography e.t.c)...

Denis Leonard why!!!

@@ahmedareem9599 Software Development is the choice! more money, more fun, innovative!

yoxter 3423 Same where I live, but people wants sometimes directly the sysadmin job when enterprises prefer to promote a motivated tech l1/l2 employee with some certification instead of a junior and immigrant lack of English. We have a lot of tech job, because we are in a French province in Canada and most jobs require to be bilingual. Only in the public sector you can be ok without English and a lot of people don't want speak or not good in English and people with a good English can leave for another province for 20-30% more salary and less taxes. But for a developer it's probably more easy and the pay are generally better. A lot f company have the double staff for dev than the infrastructure. In both sector after 3 years your considered as an expert. I prefer infrastructure, because I don't see me programming 8-5 every day and I like to interact with people.

bro ruby is very weak. C# is the boss language

I agree on the C#. I remember when C# first came out, my main instructor said, "Last thing we need is another language!" Thanks for the info on Ruby, I have not kept up with all the new stuff the past 15 years. Why is Ruby weak? Last time I did a quick search, there were a lot of Ruby jobs!

+Luke Grekat ruby counts as a general purpose language like "basic" and python. Ruby is a growing language, but it can't beat c# since it is a general purpose language. if you want to learn general purpose languages learn python.

+Luke Grekat ruby on rails is very popular in start ups. With so many libraries you can app up in month. It just fast for prototyping. But javascript thanks to node.js and MEAN stack. you can prototype a javascript app pretty fast. For scalability C#, java, python, and php. You have to know frameworks.

I hear ya! Rubys great! But man it looks tough!

I think it's due to the fact that a lot of folks have unreasonable expectations. Either they think they'll soon work for Google, or they'll develop video games or whatever it is they are passionate about. If you learn just the very basics of some programing languages you can easily see why it might not always be fun, it involves logic, finding solutions to a problem, troubleshooting with the occasional frustration, etc. Maybe some of these boot camps are not giving these students a realistic picture?

cybersec is harder to get into. You need to have good credit, no criminal record, and there's regular drug testing. It's normally a lot of security clearances required too, regular certs, etc.. Software engineering on the other hand is easier to get into and start out with. Tbh it makes more sense to work as a software engineer for a first job, maybe 3-4 years or so to get the basic dev experience, then try to break into infosec.

Yeah - I've been hearing claims like this for 2 decades and still nothing. I work with and develop telephone network protocols and applications and believe me - they are not drag and drop and they never will be.

programming is 100X more difficult.

Neither is easy, you will need to dedicate a lot of time to learn the foundations required for either field you choose. Some people think networking is easy...I only took a "networking fundamentals" course in college with the opportunity of taking the compTIA Network+ exam for free, trust me it isn't easy there are loads of stuff to memorize. I think you have to find what you like most, which will then make learning more enjoyable.

pankaj arya - Both are a win win and it's all on what you are comfortable with.

+David Hamilton Smith Everything except hopping around and sweating like a pig.

Probably dev still; where I live I think there are even less networking jobs than 2-3 years ago, and 99% of the employers posting jobs want experience, even for entry level jobs that don't pay really well.

Search around the internet and you'll find that development is now eating network jobs with automation. Even cisco is advising cert holders to learn coding.

Almost everyone starts with IT help desk as sys admin and moves into a network engineer role within 5 years. Then after a further 10 years you can look at becoming a consultant, presales engineer, team leader etc. Nobody does sys admin for their whole life.

Benson Karue python?

Hey, I'm currently getting my B.A in information systems. I have my A+ and studying for my MCSA. Now, on my free time I'm learning programming languages can I still be a developer despite studying information systems

Hey, I'm currently getting my B.A in information systems. I have my A+ and studying for my MCSA. Now, on my free time I'm learning programming languages can I still be a developer despite studying information systems

Jonathan aguilar I think you can become one.. Information Systems tries to focus so much into business than technology. I know you have some basic knowledge of what computer program is and in fact you had had time developing your class simple applications.. Having those basics I think you can make it... Regards

It's 2018 and yeah it's still a thing ... :)

Everything in society will be more dependent on software and more dependent on computer networks with IOT and software that assumes your organization has a well functioning network. Both fields aren't going anywhere for at least the next decade, if not more than that.

This is 2019 and it is still in trend.

This is 2020 yeah am think so

Yes

Yes, software development or engineering includes web and app development.

same here bro

Plan and prepare to become independent as soon as possible and become a consultant. Take on some all contract and subcontractor projects on the side. The older you get, the more I'm demand you'll become, as opposed to seeking approval to get hired for a job because that's all you have ever done for 20 years.

Stirfry Brown - Excellent advice and I am getting my net+ but after I think I am leaning toward Lenox server and I hear that is a good to have knowledge on

Did you get the net+ already? i was thinking of starting out with a+ but i think im thinking of getting net+ to get a feel of what cisco will be

If you can't do programming then you know where you're gonna go.

programming/coding/giving a computer instructions through a programming language

You need some programming for it though right ?

do you think its because the whole AI thing that can cut a lot of devs job? I'm also consider to switch into network-cloud from web development.

@@tehcmeme9823 Well, 2 years ago, SWE is the clear winner over Network Engineering. But anyone who makes a living staring at a computer screen all day is at risk. But I say skill up on Cloud AI (AWS AI or Azure AI) and do "Prompt Engineering" projects, which is probably a made up thing.

Aurelian Spodarec what do you suggest

i peeped

Tribal Dragon please don’t listen to him!

Haha😂

Stephen Orr why ???

behind him is the words CCNA but they are written on a roll of toilet paper. They are written on that because, well, you can make the connection for yourself.

... sigh... for the days my beard was truly great... age is a bugger...

I had like 2 inches once, but man, I believe yours was epic :)