Ultimately, we just saw Drake vs Kendrick, and thats how I see Max and Lewis, Max is an industry plant, obviously talented but the rules and bias is for him no matter what, he gets slap on the wrists where others get punished, he literally had a race director change the rules on the fly to steal a championship from Lewis. So for Max fans, yeah, he is good, but he is a legacy silver spooned who the whole of the industry have bent over backwards to facilitate his success. Lewis has had to actually ice skate uphill and does it with a smile, and grace.

For Max to be equal, he would need to learn to race wheel-to-wheel.

This sport has an inherent bias that has allowed other drivers, but in this context, Max, to get away with things that Lewis cannot. The 2021 season proved that to be true. I will never forget the backlash Lewis received after Silverstone for doing that "tough boy" racing Max had been doing all season (and continued to do). No matter how many limits Lewis breaks it will never give him the respect that Max has the privilege to. I do not negate that Max is a great driver, but I cannot ignore how this sport has treated that as a way to counter Lewis's career and impact. And that has greatly affected how I perceive Max.

Disagree strongly with Cameron here. It's like saying a criminal that does a few amazing things is excellence as a whole while his indiscretions are forgotten. Nope. Sporting excellence is about being sporting as much as the awards and skills.

Can we now conclude that the budgetcap works?! teams are closer as a whole! when driver are within two tenths of a second, where starts drivers skills and where ends carspeed? i know some drivers can make the difference!

2025 Lewis over 2025 Max......EASY.

'Twas a privilege as always sir

"Merc my words" sounds better. I too think Lewis will win again this year.

Lewis is on his own level nyasha max is good not great

Great podcast. I watch this channel cause I'm team LH, Its not like you bring us news that's not readily available else where, you don't have any 10min Vids like Cam and don't post as often which I would prefer. Gnasher i applaud you for admitting your bias. Would be great if Cam F1 could admit his bias too he clearly loves Max and is willing to die on that hill. Can someone from quickstop tell Cam to stop pretending he is a LH fan. Devils advocate my back foot. He can't hide behind that sharp god tier fade and line up he's rocking this week!

Proper conversation was had. Tip my hat to you both. Nyasha, I love how you and Cameron talk about F1. This episode flames bro. Well done.

I wont rate Max until he's paired with a top level driver in a team other than Red Bull. Till then he's just another Red Bull manufactured hype job, like his RB WDC predecessor, Sebastian Vettel.

Cameron is WRONG about Max at Austria '23. Max chose to go onto the kerb early, whist behind Carlos, before Carlos moved left. Carlos moved into a gap. In 24 Max moved into a car beside him.

It’s great Nyasha, fanbases are meant to support their guy and team. But it was great to have this conversation about two great drivers, something both the fanbases can agree that Max and Lewis are a cut above in every department. But both very different in their personalities and way to approach racing. I feel like Max was taught by his father so harshly since his karting days to never come second that Max has it in his brain that he won’t give up the position without Turning it to the maximum limit. I don’t know but I just love the guy since his 2016 Brazil drive. Nothing can make me be against him.

Pressure when he is 30 seconds up the road I don’t want to see or hear the praise for Max. When he is pressured why is Austria always the result every single time. You can agree or disagree with the rules but that’s the rule

56:34 ... its hilarious how he's able to turn Max's psychological shortcomings into skills ..."he's only got one gear"... 🤣🤷‍♂️🙃

All Cameron do is give Max an excuses, about he is cute doing it. Don't hate the player hate the game. Bunch of pathetic excuses. Cameron need to get off the Peter Windsor band wagon train. All he do is regurgitate everything Peter Windsor says. He is like an eco for Mr. Windsor. Is Cameron evening hearing himself in this conversation. Nasha is right soon as Max comes under pressure the 2021 Max comes out. Max have not change or mature one bit. It was easy for ppl like Cameron to say Max mature forgetting he had a car that was 1sec faster than everone around him. No pressure there right? Never had to battle with anyone for 2yrs. Cameron ur argument is nonsense.

Very GLAD the comment section APPLIED SENSE to this conversation 🙌😌 #F1

Cam makes some really good argument

It's not that Max is good, it's that everyone else (excluding Lewis) is useless!

17:59 Kimi did not dominate he drove mostly behind a safety car and the race was significantly shortened. That win was fortuitous. His form up to that point has been poor

Talking about how you would want to see Max do more what he did with Lando at Silverstone is the perfect explanation that you don't understand Max Verstappen. Every situation is different, Max is a very calculated racing driver and if he knows it's not the best time to defend because he doesn't have the pace at the beginning of the race he won't fight like hell. But people don't take the situation into account, they just see Max fighting hard at Austria and then not hard at Silverstone.

sorry but Cameron manoeuvred the convo to a place that was not your point. the point is: Max is not able to win a race (if a car is not one second a lap faster) without crashing carryout. And Lews IS> that was the point, doest matter what FIA allows him or not. Max cannot win without bullying and crashing, lewis does not need that, that is why you cannot put Max next to Lewis EVER>

Max is a myth is really spot on

Im sorry but Cameron cleverly changed the depart. you guys did not debate why laws is better or if, you just argued why MAX should be crashing or shouldn't be driving this way. this was not a real comparison.

20:31 😂😂😂 I saw the non-apology coming

On the topic of sporting great, 2020 Styria pole lap. Lewis 1:19.273, Max 1:20.489. Full wets needed. Lewis over a second quicker. Sure max binned it as well. Just wanted to point out not only Max can do great Pole laps. Lewis has done a couple in his time.

Unfortunately I'm unable to put Max and excellence together in the same book let alone sentence. He's nothing but an enabled (by F1 media, community and rule breaking FIA and team who's operating system is nothing but unethical) entitled mediocre driver.But great pod none the less

Nash…. I stopped listening to Camrod!!! for a reason!!!

2, 3 times a week? More like 2, 3 times a day!

The professional foul is spot on it’s perfect.

Cam with the trim!!! Is goated 🐐

Great podcast

Stop comparing Hamilton to verstappen there is no driver on the grid that is on Hamiltons level,the rest if given equal car's are all below Lewis

f1 is evidence based and sir lewis hamilton proved that he's the greatest of all time by winning more races than anyone in the history of the sport. verstappen is better than the rest but not yet on the top step that the one and only stands on. only if he avoided crashingontop of the car in front orgoing off to push an attacker off track.

Sorry but have to disagree with a fellow fan but max does not have a debt for Abu Dhabi 2021. Max had nothing to do with the decisions taking in that race. I will agree that Red Bull, more Horner and Wheatley owe the debt as they planted the idea in the Race Directors head. Max didn’t do any of that. It’s extremely unfair to put that at Max’s feet.

Max is Cobra Kai. We need the villainy

"it was a bit like that in 2020... not 2020 in ......" .... do you mean before Mercedes was dominating for 8 years ?

You asked a question on why it was made such a big deal after the Austria incident , ask yourself who made it such a big deal and if they had any motive to do such because when the drivers were asked their opinion on the incident and listen to what they said, none of them hold the same opinion as you, to them it was a racing incident that did not even deserve a penalty but i guess as a Hamilton fan you do not see it like that.

Cameron brings up the 2018 Lewis versus 2025 Max hypothetical at the end... only to claim too tetchy to answer?? Respectfully, every time he says tetchy, I roll my eyes. Olympic level dodging! Otherwise, listened to the podcast despite the clickbait title and it was a good conversation. Glad QuickStop is back.

Lewis is already the greatest. Max still needs to pass Sebastian Vettel, Michael Schumacher THEN get to Lewis! Let’s see him do that!!!

2012 season 7 different winners

To be fair it should be a 3x champion Lewis vs a 3x Champion Max...lewis is almost 40 now ...I would give a slight edge to a 3x champion Lewis because he partnered champion level teamates and beat them. I would love for Max to have a champion level teamate, the problem is once lewis and Fernando quit...who is really at that level?

I have no issues with max, he does what the rules state and does it perfectly. Actually makes the racing entertaining. That what makes max vs lewis/charles on track action so exciting. The rules are the issues. Personally i don't like the divebomb rule where as long as you have one inch of one tyre on track it counts as a legitimate overtake. It needs some working.

Max don't care much about any opinion. Something however changed directly after Silverstone '21. An adventurous Max (doing the most insane overtakes and making them them stick) got replaced by a clinical and sometimes even cynical (zero sum I guess) Max. In contrast however to a Schumi, Max really makes near zero material mistakes (those that cost you a position within 3 corners after the mistake). That last part of the mistakes is something we probably need to look back to Clark/ Fangio to see anything like it. Schumi did more egregious things than Max btw. Some of the stuff that gave Max a bad rep probably have more to do with factors outside his control. You might be able to say something about Max' defense, which can be cynical sometimes. But him doing exactly the same and making it stick with Sainz only a year before makes the overtaking nothing but clinical. Or the move Norris pulled in T3 in the sprint and then getting slapped by a non-DRS divebomb in T4 makes that Verstappen's race craft is completely of the chain. And you obviously forgot Canada...which was clean and an absolute case in point on making zero mistakes and winning with definitely not the fastest car (probably 3rd fastest)...or Spain. Or pretty much every race this season when coming to Europe.

Love this brothas. I'm subscribing to you already subbed to CamF1

I don't think Cameron has quite grasped the concept of a rules based sport, where winners are determined by their skill and not by the influences any biased administrators can apply, e.g. Abu Dhabi 2021. I think Cameron should stick to dodgem cars at the fairground. Clearly Hamilton is the fastest driver out there, even now in his dotage! The BrakeTester has never been team mates within an equal opportunities team. Certainly not at the Dog Whistle Team the DWT. Hopefully one day, the BrakeTester will be team mates to a Russell, or Leclerc and start a season on equal terms, in equal machinery, with equal strategic chances. Poor old Wingy, he's sold his racing soul. He's probably as quick as the BrakeTester, but he's prepared to be made to look like a dud.

I think a lot of people just side with who they like but if you were to really take a deep dive into Motec data and telemetry we could probably find out overall who is the quicker. If you take all bias out of it i think there are things Lewis does better than Max, in combat i believe he is able to stay calm in heated situations and is able to clear his head pretty quickly but if we are talking about pure performance week in week out every race Max holds a small advantage. I think Lewis would struggle to beat Max in a equal cars over a whole season. There has already been a few races where Lewis has had a slight car advantage and Max was able to beat him and i cant think of any other driver who has ever done that to Lewis. Max has no life outside of racing that's all he is into so you never really see him personally have these off weekends which occasionally even when Lewis had the dominant car he would still have 1 or 2 races per season where he just didn't perform. They both don't really make mistakes both have great race pace but Toto Wolff see's the the telemetry so do Mercedes after 2021 Wolff did say Max won the title in a slower car Mercedes have Lewis in there team and they were willing to let him leave and offer Max's the things that Lewis wanted you don't do that unless you have reason to believe you are getting something better and thats just racing business. If my life depended on it and i had to pick 1 driver in equal cars to perform at every track no mistakes no bad quali sessions never get bullied on track always fight and even when the cars bad drag it into contention in 2024 i would honestly pick Max.

Cam F1 🏎️ 🔥

I have no quall with max personally...but he is THEIR (F1) face of the new generation. Go back and look at 2021 when the used words like "New face of F1" or "Witness the New Era of F1" before Abu Dhabi. They were ushering in Max Verstappen to the new fans as the next ONE. Is he a good driver? Yes...But he was also gifted that role. Go back and listen to the pundits all 2021 season. They all talked about Max as if he was the greatest thing all season long. Predictive programming. Getting people ready for the change of arms

are we actually sitting here and talking about who is better between Lewis and max..? wasn’t Hamilton schooling Max with a slower car in 2021 and racing all of maxes mates on a grid...👀

I don’t like this Channel at all. Always coming up with disrespectful headline that triggers Max aka 2021 fake champion embarrassing fanbase. Am out

Same here since 2021….Red bull, max and Brundle is dead ☠️ to me ….that team and driver would never get any credit from me.

Wow! When I saw the title and Cameron as the guest I knew this would get techy! Sorry to say but Nyasha got schooled by Cam. Constant swearing while wearing your Lewis soap opera glasses doesn't make your argument worthwhile. Although Cameron is also a TeamLH guy, he was still able to show that he is all about F1, not it's F1 only if Lewis is winning.

Thank you for calling out the bias about the T3 incident at Austria Cameron. Max Verstappen should not be discredited because you think "Max does stupid stuff when the lights are on." That narrative has to die because Max is one of the smartest, if not the smartest when it comes to the small things. But none of you guys are able to see that.

BRUDDA I BEG don't involve that Cam guy .. About ‘ CULT LH ‘ .. Its Max Fans that pushed Lewis fans to speak upon the Delusion Max fans have . There was a time where Nyash breathed dwn this guys Neck (oh the humanity) .. U’ll soon see on here..“Put some respect on Max’s name”. . WHY?! MAX Supporters are NOT telling u to Respect on Hamiltons Name. DPMO ! @quickstopf1

F1 has become too soft, too many snowflakes. Bring back Schumacher era.

Cameron must come out of the closet and admit he’s a max fan. Simple

AS GOOD AS MAX IS… He’s NOT as GREAT as Lewis, which is why F1 noticed that and HAD TO step in and HELP Max out throughout the 2021 SEASON. STOP THE BS ( kindly )

Guys, what is all this cackling? this is supposed to be podcast not a meeting in a pub.

The stewards are inconsistent with other drivers too, not only Max. I can give you examples in every race of not penalised offences of drivers. What I don’t understand is why only the offences of Max are talked about. I guess it depends on where you stand as a fan. But as a Max fan I can appreciate Lewis and was very happy for him when he won at Silverstone. Had goosebumps when he hugged his dad… You don’t have hate the other guy….you don’t have to call him a terrorist or asshole for doing his best.

This felt like going to the dentist for Nyasha, he did not want to hear any Max praise. I guess Cameron didnt get the script, Also as soon as you profes that your bias, you lose the argument

Is this the Lewis fan channel? 😂 Max by far the best. By far!

Was it really a legit win though? McLaren gave it them on a silver platter.

Concerning turn 3 at Austria, difference between Max and Carlos going into turn 3 is that carlos hit the apex, max went super wide pushing Norris further off of the track. Again proving Max is at fault, dirty, new what he was doing.

The cultLH/ Delusional channel and that's ok. The fact is that Lewis won a race once in 2.5 years 😇, Enjoy it. But Max is king of F1, Simply Lovely 🇳🇱🧡👑 PS: Cameron thanks for staying realistic, I appreciate that. 💯. Marybinnie, Typical CultLH fan girl, It's difficult for you that Max is so strong, RIGHT. Go cry me a river 😁

If Lewis is barely beating woody, how is he then going to win against the best talent of that generation in Max Verstappen?

Wow, the amount of hate towards Max on this channel is mindblowing. I get the bias is strong for Hamilton in here but there is a certain limit which shouldn't be crossed if you are a F1 fan and have some common sense. And then we wonder why there is so much toxicity in the community. This channel right here shows exactly why.

The amount of Max haters in here😂

2021 was Lewis , especially that fight in the back end of that season - Brazil was just bonkers / and robbed at the end , but Lewis and max are step above the rest for sure

LEWIS WITHOUT A DOUBT BY FAR, HE WOULD BREAK AND MAKE MAX QUIT WITH HIS CONSISTENCY, LIKE ROSSBERG, THE PRESSURE WOUL BE TOO MUCH FOR HIM, IF HAT THEY HAVE DONE AND STILL OR TRYING TO DO TO LEWIS WAS DONE TOO MAX, HE WOULD HAVE QUIT F1, THEIR NOT LIKE US