The best composer pianist and zoltan just amaizing🙏🌹💓

As fast as he plays this, Zoltan added about two minutes to one of Rachmaninoff's recordings (on KZfaq).

@@jamesfrank5271 lembrando que a versão de Rachmaninoff possui dois cortes, por conta da tecnologia fonográfica da época.

Not to take anything away from Zoltan, but don't we have a recording of Rachmaninoff playing this?, and I don't think he played it this fast. Ok, I listened to Rach. playing it. Zoltan overall still adds 2 minutes compared to Rach. However, it seems that Zoltan plays the fast parts somewhat faster, and the slow parts more slowly than Rach. So I guess I'm saying that Rach. is more mid-range in his tempo. Maybe Zoltan just likes seeing the orchestra struggle ;-).

Zoltan’s is complete. Rach’s have cuts.

and play this! at least try to play xD

Liszt second concerto is better

Why?

@@thepianocornertpc what why?

@@DavidBallpianist Why should every pianist listen to this particular performance Mr. Ball? Because you were invited by Zoltan? So what? I played and performed with Vilmos Olah, star student of Laslo Denes and protege of Tamas Vasary? So what? This particular performance is no doubt a tour de force but certainly not on a par with Volodos or Leif Ove Andsnes..Void of the big lyrical lines, sacrificing immense beauty for the sake of speed. Rachmaninov played it also fast because HE HAD TO! In that time analogue recordings and putting it on the famous grammophone struggled with time issues. Rachmaninov NEVER intended it to be played that fast.Even Walter Gieseking was forced to speed up the tempi during his Ravel Integrale recording because of this particular issue. He was a close friend of my father so this is first hand information.

It's great that you know this! In 1928, when the composer and Vladimir Horowitz first met and played the Third together in the basement of Steinway Hall, SVR said "Gorovetz" was playing the first movement too slowly and told him to speed it up. This account was passed on by Steinway Artist Manager, Alexander Greiner (who was present at the occasion), to a young composer named Emilio Fuchs, who in turn related it to me. Regrettably, Van Cliburn 's 1958 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition's slow first movement and Brahmsian ossia (alternate) cadenza spawned an erroneous tradition which has typically persisted ever since, and even Horowitz did not fully follow Rachmaninoff's tempo wishes. But yes, Zoltan Kocsis has performed the whole thing at the proper tempo and right!

absolutely right!!!

Not exactly so fast.

A bárki bármit mond nem mérvadó...akinek füle van, meghallja amit kell...Kocsis korának világszinten is egyik legnagyobb zongoristája, a magyar zenei élet utóbbi 40 évének legnagyobb jelentőségű alakja....

@@gergelycsallo5133 Mennyire kedvelt volt Kocsis, az a felvételek alatti külföldi kommentelők szeretete, dicsérete által is olvasható.

And you, apparently!😂

@@Daniel_Ilyich hahaha

@@Daniel_Ilyich i prefer 44 minutes version 😎

Zoltan wanted to go to the bathroom, so he wanted to play fast.

His speed is impressive, but the 1st movement sounds rushed. I admit I've been conditioned by other recordings, but I do appreciate hearing that opening theme at a more deliberate pace. Lightning speed doesn't make for a better performance necessarily. Yunchan's version was very satisfying.

You are absolutely correct. I have no idea why so many pianists take this concerto way too slow. Stephen Hough and Zoltan Kocsis are among that few who (1) have the technique to do the piece justice and (2) take the proper tempi in all three movements.

Rachmaninoff's recording omits 66 bars of music. This unabridged performance with Zoltan Kocsis is outstanding in that the pianist does not treat the music like a syrupy Hollywood movie soundtrack as 90% of the competition and he also adopts the composers same dynamics, tempos and phrasing. I have 45 recordings of this Concerto and this performance ranks among the top 10.

Valentine Lisitsa also along with Hough plays it at the correct tempo but without omitting 66 bars as the composer does in his recording.

Only Zoltan understands rachmaninoff and He plays like rachmaninoff.

avocatdenis Arkadij Volodos and Emil Giljels presented different and softier tone quality in 3rd movement than Stephen Hough. Mr Hough Plays Like Sergei Prokofiev. Vladimir Krajnjev in Belgrade 1998 played Prokofiev-Like version of Rah2,c-minor concerto . I do not like these trancriptions.

And the composer himself when he heard Horowitz said to him: you play this concert much better than I do. They were very good friends, and Horowitz visited Rachmaninoff many times playing for him.

@@lorenzley1324 Indeed so. Moreover, in 1928 when Horowitz and SVR met at Steinway Hall, Steinway artist manager Alexander Greiner watched while Horowitz played the solo part of the Third Concerto in the basement for Rachmaninoff. And something unusual occurred when VH began the first movement. SVR said, "No Gorovetz," as he pronounced the pianist's name. "You are playing this movement too slow!" VH countered, "But you marked the tempo, 'Allegro ma non tanto.'" SVR reiterated, "You are playing it too slow!" and the composer then demonstrated on the keyboard. Horowitz, however, never did heed Rachmaninoff's remonstrance, at the first-movement speed heard in SVR's own recording of the work with Eugene Ormandy conducting. So what a joy to see Zoltan Kocsis perform everything right!

No, this is the correct tempo, the tempo that the composer himself played. These days, the more famous the pianist, the slower it gets, unfortunately. Koscis was also on another level completely to the likes of Volodos

@@jeremyd1021 The composer is NOT always the best to play his own pieces, something we have witnessed COUNTLESS times! I agree that it must not be played TOO slowly, but the tempo Volodos exhibits is MY preference!

@@kimrsns7363 I think when the composer was one of the very greatest pianists in history I think you should just bow and say amen. Rachmaninov was known to detest pianists who over sentimentalised his music and dragged it out.

@@jeremyd1021 You are entitled to your opinion, but so am I..!

The best ever and forever is and will always be Horowitz. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ob9xhpN40b-cYWQ.htmlsi=iTRw0TNsgbaDyMpV And that's without any discussion.

Vraiment formidable ! Bravo Zoltan !!

si , il l'a enregistre l'integral des concertos plus les rhapsodie paganini sur phillips ( ou l'actuel Decca aujourd'hui )

Il a joué l'originale, pas l'ossia

@@Zerox029 Il s'agit d'une double confusion. Ce qui, dans la partition, est écrit comme ossia est la version originale, succéssivement remplacée par l'auteur avec ce que l'on écoute ici, plus léger et en style de toccata. Rachmaninoff et Horowitz considéraient cette deuxième version préférable afin d'éviter une redite du thême principal. Maints virtuoses s'en accablent.

No one will ever play this concert like Horowitz. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ob9xhpN40b-cYWQ.htmlsi=iTRw0TNsgbaDyMpV

János Pálúr very good pianist, but I preffer Alfred Cortot or Leopold Godowsky-Neigauz - Kempf in most Chopin’s works Rahmaninoff was also best Chopin-player

"Each performer is responsible for their own performance". This sentence, the way you put it, is unironically a good take.

😄😄😄😄

More like the rest of pianists play it at molasses speed, this is perfect, tons of musicality despite the "warp speed". Rachmaninoff's pieces usually suffer from lethargic tempi and exagerated rubatos, because people have tried so hard to categorize him as a romantic, while he was an unique voice on his own and an early 20th century composer. Pretty much everything he wrote after his Op. 27 gets farther and farther from Tchaikovskian Romanticism, without losing that characteristic Russian passion.

TEMPO BAD

No. Zoltan is the only one who can play like rachmaninoff finished this piece in 35mintes and Zoltzn only understood rachmaninoff in this world!!

If you listen 2nd movement you would know that he is not hurrying

in my opinion horowitz have the best interpretation

i actually prefer playing it more slowly

Rachmaninoff played like Zoltan .ZoltanPLAYED LIKE Rachmaninoff Zontan understand Rachmaninoff!!

1983. 12. 26. A fellow compatriot of mine uploaded the whole concert which is available here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/icykl8ih2N3dY6s.html

@@Kris9kris Unfortunately this longer video is not accessible today. :-( It was one of my FAVOURITES. Budapest 2023. May the 13th, Saturday. Csaba Orosz

@@bicsak96 Valószínűleg a csatorna tulajdonosa valami copyright strike-ot kaphatott, és le kellett törölnie a videóit. Én is sajnálom, mert rengeteg minden csak nála volt elérhető online, például a MÜPA nyitóhangverseny. Rendszeresen előfordul. Az MTV múltkor nekem is leszedte egy videómat: igaz, hogy sehol nem elérhető, sem megvételre, sem bérlésre, sem sehogy, de attól még szedjük le. Nevetséges.

​@@Kris9krisThis makes me very sad. I want to see every Kocsis performance possible! He is, and always will be, an inspiration.

Que dúvida? Basta ler o que Richter disse sobre os dois...

The best ever and forever is and will always be Horowitz. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ob9xhpN40b-cYWQ.htmlsi=iTRw0TNsgbaDyMpV And that's without any discussion.

The pianist dictates the tempo in a situation like this because in a concerto, usually it is the soloist who does the hardest job out of anybody.

But -- I'm guessing here -- the conductor may slow the soloist a bit, right? I mean they obviously have practiced for the concert so they are supposed to be on the same page. If they are not, then they have had weeks to get on the same page in the first place.

Is there a recording of Horowitz 1943? He recorded the piece in 1930 with Albert Coates and the London Symphony Orchestra, but I didn't know about a 1943 recording.

Yes rach rach rach 😎😎😎

No.

This piece should be fast!!!

Maybe that was his goal. This recording took place a year after that of Argerich. So he tried to play even faster.

Kocsis non era nè gay nè ebreo.....Horowitz quindi non si sbagliava...

Nobody play Horowitz'slike or Rachmaninoff'slike,but some come very close(Volodos,Giljels,van Cliburn,Berman,Sokolov...)

@@mirkojorgovic I don't know I think Argerich played it as well as Horowitz Had all the technical brilliance and a little more poetry in spots.... I can figure out why she dropped him from her repertoire....

Imagine leaving such a patronizing, pretentious and self-important, yet completely meaningless comment on one of the most memorable pianistic performances ever recorded. I especially love your last sentence. "What a pity, with such great talent". As if you're some kind of seasoned master, qualified veteran talking down to a mere beginner. Get outta here...

I don't mean to barge in, but you should really at least have the inclination to try insulting performances with greater variety and imagination. I hear the "too fast" trope at least half a dozen times for every performance I watch that is played at a half decent tempo. Is that a kind of ideological idée fixe for your kind?

Kris9kris He gets away with at this tempo but the 1st movement has passages lacking in crystal clear articulation. My piano Professor graduated from the Franz Liszt Academy in Budapest Hungary and the message always was "make music and make it sing" and "every note had to speak". When I have time to listen to the remainder I will see if Kocsis settles down and makes music. What I have heard,,,(and I have only listened to parts of the 1st mov't) opening tempo is very fast ,,,skip to development and he is getting faster and the alternate cadenza starts in a blur and then the big chordal frenzy is on the edge of being a vulgar rock concert with the volume too loud which results in a banging distorted quality. I repeat (it on the sage of just bashing) but he survives intact. Maybe when I hear the complete performance I will point out other parts that are rushed and out of control. I wonder if Kocsis was happy with the performance?

Apologies for some auto spell check errors,,,they are obvious,,,that is technology ,,,Type a simple word and Americanized spelling takes over. I do my best.

And I have had a long tiring day. I don't mean to be rude in my response ,,,just honest. Listen to the CD of Horowitz live with Sir John Barbirolli 1943 ((I think) and you will get the idea of what is close to perfect. Very few performances are perfect ,,we are mere humans.

Also my Professor Was born in 1897 and studied with Bela Bartok at the Academy plus all the other great Hungarians from the early 19th century.

Strange, I feel it is really 'noble' and dignified, which is quite a feat at this - correct! - speed. When performers take it slower and languish in parts, all the nobility is sucked out. In Kocsis's hands, it's dignified, emotional (there are many beautiful lyrical moments and peaks of drama), and really driven. Love it.

Solo così Sergej Vasil'evič è sopportabile.

"I would have flanked him in my class for the first theme only." Mate, don't take this the wrong way, but have you taken a good look in the mirror recently? Second of all, it's flogged, not "flanked", and discontinued doesn't mean what you think it does. If you're going to insult and threaten somebody with corporal punishment (especially somebody who can't defend himself anymore), at least do it properly.

@@Kris9kris My bad, my bad, "flunk," not "flank," I was too drunk while writing the comment. And yes, I would flunk him, for gross bad judgment. As for your other question, about that mirror, yes, I have taken many good looks there. You can too, just search for "Eat Your Heart Out, Martha . . ." , it's the fifth video from the top.