First Gen Rx7 Rear End Binding

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RAD Potential

RAD Potential

Күн бұрын

After talking with a few of my rally buddies. I have come up with a video outlining some solutions to the rear end binding up in these cars. Especially with poly bushings, and general changes made in the rear area. Comment below with your thoughts!!

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@Kenncwh
@Kenncwh 3 жыл бұрын
Dude great stuff there, awesome explanation of the suspension geometry and how to address some of the limitations of the factory setup.
@ottolohr
@ottolohr 3 жыл бұрын
I run replacement OEM links and no rear sway bar. All poly in the front. Been very pleased with the rear compliance over the worn links. Great video showing the binding effect on these 1st Gen cars. Have never had suspension bind up on me but even on a track day I know I only probably pushing the car 7/10 of what a experienced driver does; it still does handle very well for its age. On RB spring set with Koni struts and shocks.
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
Next year let's schedule a few days to get the first gens out on the track. If the mouse wouldn't have eaten its clutch. Id be ripping it this weekend
@m0d.
@m0d. 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these videos! Keep it going! Cheers!
@djbutch123
@djbutch123 3 жыл бұрын
Great clear and simple explanation. Definitely a disappearing knowledge set with everything going IRS. Hope to see you try this on one of yours at some point.
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
The silver car will get the goodies eventually.
@84gssteve
@84gssteve 3 жыл бұрын
Great to revisit these problems, as I built my car back in the 90s'/00's with the early car forums. For racing, yea you have to get creative or change quite a lot of stuff to get that truck axle to act right. The best street setup we had back then without changing everything was poly all around, but leave the upper trailing arms stock to keep them compliant. I still run that setup to this day on my widebody 84, running about 350hp from a TII engine into an SE rearend with 245's. 80k miles, 20 years and nothing has broke yet.....
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
Thats EPIC!!! thanks for the input!!!! I will have to give it a shot. I have full poly in the street car. I will swap the upper links to stock and see how it feels.
@84gssteve
@84gssteve 3 жыл бұрын
@@RADPotential I run the same RB rear coils along with Tokiko Blue shocks, so nothing too stiff or overblown. The stock swaybar has come on and off over the years without much difference in feel, but it is a streetcar after all, I rarely push the suspension to the limit. Plus, my turbo comes on like a light switch being 90's tech, so balanced power delivery is.....challenging
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
I am excited to compare this weekend my bridgeport 12a to a friend's all stock 13b S5t2 swap. Both in an SA chassis. Both weigh within 50lbs of each other. And should be basically the same power number. I love the delivery of a peaky NA rotary. Boosted super light cars especially with small tires on these short wheel base rx7s are just a handful and super fun!
@84gssteve
@84gssteve 3 жыл бұрын
@@RADPotential That should be a fun comparo, but the stock TII's 200lb of torque is gonna eat you up off the line. I ran a stock turbo with both my S4 and current S5 engine setups and they both get off pretty quickly due to the small-ish turbos. They do run out of steam if you push them past about 10psi but by then your well into the mid 200hp range. I actually prefer my bigger TO4 turbo because its laggy, which saves the rearend and tires from being punished, plus I can just drive normal around town, off-boost and its still a fairly quick car.
@rx7cl
@rx7cl Жыл бұрын
I ordered some Energy Suspension bushings and got rid of the Old cracked bushings.one Kool Way to get your Old bushings out,is set them on fire,in a safe place they'll fall right out...rear is free floating now....
@michaelstratford8284
@michaelstratford8284 3 жыл бұрын
So interesting!!! Ive subscribed
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!!
@soloracer1
@soloracer1 Жыл бұрын
I cut the ends of the 4 links off that bolt to axle. Welded on 2 inch Johnny Joint at end of all 4 links. That alone made a great difference. Enough that I put rear sway-bar back on. It's a budget build fun CSP class SCCA solo2 car that I street drive. AUTOCROSS.
@calebjohn5508
@calebjohn5508 3 жыл бұрын
What are you're thoughts on the t3 adjustable or any other adjustable upper links with Rose Ball joints. My thinking that the ball rose ball joints will allow more twist while maintaining the factory mounting points
@alexisgalarza202
@alexisgalarza202 3 жыл бұрын
I had this issue when I lowered my car with the racing beat springs, the lower spring makes the binding worse.
@Soccer22224
@Soccer22224 3 жыл бұрын
Questions - 18:17 - I am running coilovers along with adj upper & lowers with himes (yes I bought the t3 catalog minus their panhard bar) they now offer better placement for the upper link like you mentioned, this seems to allow the axel to move free, bouncing my weight on the car, however I seem to be getting chatter from the pass side coil when I go down the road. Disassembled and the spring from the coil is actually making contact with the threads on the coilbody. This does not happen on the driver side. I am running stock watts with plan to convert the watts link to himes this winter as a solution. In your eyes is this actually my issue or maybe something else is not setup correctly that I overlooked? 2 - Car drives nice through mild turns but when you get to tighter turns the rear end kind of "shifts" pulling me outside of the corner, this typically occors halfway through the corner. Is this due to the extra binding you mentioned at 18:17? I never drove the stock suspension that hard through the corners so I don't know if this is an issue I caused by converting to coils
@unimtb
@unimtb 3 жыл бұрын
good video. thanks for the explanation. I am curious if you have experienced this or heard of this issue... i have found it to be the case on both my FBs. When i really lower the car the axle not only gets shifted to the right but also the right side is jacked up more. for that reason I was considering going panhard. that is what some people have recommended for lowered FB. i will be using this car as a drift car / fun street car if that makes any difference. what are you thoughts?
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
When the car is lowered it really throws the geometry off on the watts link, you would need adjustable watts link rods, or the adjustable panhard to re center the axle at your new normal ride height
@ItsProbablyFine
@ItsProbablyFine 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen folks take the upper rear bushing on the axle and drill holes in it to soften it up and give it some flex (usually with poly bushings). Have you ever tried that?
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
Nope, but I wouldn't be opposed to drilling some holes in mine on the silver car haha. Let me find a good metric to test it by, and I will run some experiments.
@austinriggs5502
@austinriggs5502 3 жыл бұрын
Do you think changing the length of the upper links would yield any benefits? I've read some things that criticize the unequal length of the upper and lower.
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
the unequal length will generally only affect the pinion angle during the suspension travel. and may restrict the articulation/contribute to the binding issue. but this isn't an offroad vehicle where a ton of travel is needed so I wouldn't think moving the body mount for the upper link forward would be necessary. But I have never done it.
@rjensen4896
@rjensen4896 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome channel, liked and subscribed 🤙I really appreciate the info! I'm going to have to get bushings for my 79' and people in the forums say Poly bushings in the rear make binding worse and to keep It OE rubber. Do you have thoughts on this? also I have a 80' parts car that may have slid into a curb like you mentioned and I'm getting ready to pull the rear. I'll comment if it's damaged or not when I do.
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
If you feel the poly bushings are too stiff, drill some holes through them and see if it helps. IIRC you can get new OEM links from mazda.
@rjensen4896
@rjensen4896 3 жыл бұрын
@@RADPotential cool man, I'll look into both idea's. I appreciate the info 🤙 What I mean by "may have slid into a curb" is I bought it a while ago and the frame rail on the passenger side is crushed and rolled over in a direction that looks like they went sideways onto a curb. But I bought it cheap because the engine caught on fire at a gas station ⛽
@thatguy1111111
@thatguy1111111 3 жыл бұрын
I slid my 1st gen GLS into a curb, destroyed my driverside suspension, and bent the rear hub, but the rear end and links were fine.
@jamesford3549
@jamesford3549 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man the video is good. Not new info to me but really well explained and demonstrated. Try and find a copy of susko’s book on RX7 first gen suspension. Was it Greg cozier you spoke to?
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
I'll look for that book! Yea! We have chatted rally stuff a bunch
@jamesford3549
@jamesford3549 3 жыл бұрын
@@RADPotential yeah I’ve chatted to him a bit about my historic fia road race build
@jimlynch5776
@jimlynch5776 3 жыл бұрын
My panard bar is mounted behind the diff not in front. Works great. Send me a Facebook link if you have a page. I can put you in contact with some other FB RX7 racer in the SCCA. I currently run one in the GTL class.
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
Is that a custom piece or a bought unit?
@jimlynch5776
@jimlynch5776 3 жыл бұрын
@@RADPotential Custom piece. I can send you pictures of the set up. I'm getting ready to pull it down for the GSL SE swap I'm putting together.
@infinitexsound6087
@infinitexsound6087 3 жыл бұрын
Why not just run parallel 4 links to the axle and ... triangulated to either the top or bottom of the diff. That’s what SCCA GT3 and GT2 cars do running quick change diffs.
@RADPotential
@RADPotential 3 жыл бұрын
They have a equal length watts link if I had to guess and the parallel 4 link would be an epic combination
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