Me too.....my efforts got snipped though....remember 'comments' re length of hair of actors becoming beef in crew room...

That's wonderful, Michael.

*The F/Sgt used to be the Head Teacher in Grange Hill & His Boss was The Boss in The Bill!*

@@normalwisdom4048 Ah ….,,that’s where I’ve seen them before . This clip transported me back to my Raf days ,thanks . Regards Dave Ex sooty Raf leuchars in the 80s

Was he not in "auf wiedersehen pet" as the site manager in series 1 as well??

I heard that yourself or the navigator became intrigued by the legal system when the 'accident' was investigated and that one of you became a solicitor as a consequence. Were you banned from flying Phantoms afterwards? I love intrigue!

CAVALIERKNIGHT33 Absolutely not . I continued to fly the F4 after the statutory 12 weeks for recovering from crush fractures. After that I instructed on the Gnat and took the first Hawk course. It was hypertension that threatened my flying category and the reason for changing careers to become a solicitor . Happy days.

Please comment Sir, always interested to hear the customers point of view - ex SAR Boy.

@@raymondpilley2971 ....practicing law rarely helps hypertension...however it doesnt take an inch off your height courtesy of Martin Baker. The first Hawk course....lovely sports car.

If you have time. It would be nice to hear about your story. Also, have you not considered going on @Aircrew Interview?

I was on the team that bought the F4Js for 74 Sqn.

Always made me laugh when an officer said "That aircraft will fly" ??? I think most of us Techies took that as a challenge to not fly lol

Please forgive my ignorance - what is a survival scramble and why was it needed?

@@robertodeleon-gonzalez9844 A survival scramble was done if the base was about to be attacked. all the jets scrambled to another base. It was awesome to witness, the noise of that many jets on the go at one time. The whole ground was shaking.

@@dococh62 I see. Thank you for clearing that up.

Just realised blinking spoll chocker changed it to Branson.. it was Mr Bronson!!!🤣

He needs a hair cut tho!

I was wondering if that was Mr B.

Indeed, pre "Shoestring" too. I remember a lot of us had hair that length or longer back then. I got away with it for years in bomb dumps and on EOD, we never saw a "Zob" or the SWO.

For those who WEREN'T in the air force, can you explain what a CT was and who was the SENGO? You can't just go quoting RAF jargon when some youtubers may not have BEEN in the RAF, that's just wrong.

Oh, I am sorry. CT, Chief Technician. SENGO. Senior Engineering Officer. Please forgiven my abhorrent behaviour. 😢😢

Good to get the real picture!

@@garryharriman7349 You bastard.😉

And was that a young Sean Bean?

Jeremy Bulloch played the Sgt. He most famously played Bobba Fett in the Starwars movies and Smithers ( Q’s assistant), in the Roger Moore Bond films.

And Michael Sherd played an Imperial Officer who gets strangled by Darth Vader in The Empire Strikes Back too 👍🏼

Thanks.

@@twds01 Sheard and Bulloch were both in Empire, with Sheard as Admiral Ozzel.

On detachment to foreign bases, badges, patches & rank slides were swapped all the time. Those were just trophies bring worn by the raf guy & mean nothing much.

@@wirdy1 You may be right regarding squadron exchanges etc., and one of the F-4s is even carrying the owl badge of AG 51 "I" next to the R.A.F. markings. The NCO I was referring to however, is definitely wearing German Luftwaffe rank insignia on his overall.

He also has Norwegian air force 717 and 336 squadron patches on his chest and shoulder.

Flying was for him, RAF, Star Wars so classroom so off to the classroom

Isn't that Trevor Eve with the particularly shaggy hair, probably a rider for appearing, what with his impending stargom.

I'd say so.

I'm ex F4 (228 OCU), all the new FLMs (Flight Line Mechanics) would undergo training / testing and authorisation before being allowed to service the jet. They would be well aware of the difference between Hyd oil (OM15) and fuel (F34) so I think that bit is for 'artistic effect'. If they were still under training then they would have had a supervisor/trainer with them.

And also there was a Aufklärungsgeschwader 52 (AG52) logo (Black Panther) shown in one sequence...

Who spotted Eddy Shoestring?

Also played the head teacher at Grange hill and a character in a Tom Baker Dr who

Not all actors the rigger corporal was a RAF weapons SNCO . He had a speaking part .

@@kevingould6725 I stand corrected Old Boy.

@@kevingould6725 Bob O’Neil IIRC

Mr Bronson.

Was he married to a girl called Betty?

@@garryharriman7349 I think he "had a bit of trouble," He did get to fly through. In a Cessna at Cranfield. Blue skies, Frank...

​@@garryharriman7349😂🇬🇧❤️

He does still have his RAF braces I’m pleased to report.

Did Uncle Frank like roller skating per chance? Drive a white Mini? ;)

At the time of the accident, the warning flags weren't painted dayglow orange, but the same grey as the wing colour around it - which when in a rush and under pressure to get launched, on a grey day meant, they could be easily be missed. If the MOD hadn't spent all that extra money to have the hydraulics for the wing fold removed (from XV411 I think) this accident may not have happened

Aye, I remember that. I 1st heard about it at the RAF Leeming Air Fair. Before it aired. It's a shame it never took off (so to speak 😉).

yes i remember that showing. it was on ITV around 93 or 94

It was worrying when they failed to spot a jet had no engines fitted

No hydraulics from the RH, no hydraulics from the LH, the ram air turbine was electricity only. So no hydraulics for the flight controls - get out quick

Which was part of the point in making these films, awareness and education.

The truth was that it was the 31 Squadron Engineering Officer Del Williams who expressed concern. He was absolutely mortified when he saw what he predicted had come to pass

Of course in the RAF of 2023 SENGO's initial concern would be the ethnicity and sexuality of Mr Bronson before asking him to do something to enhance the safety of the aircrew and the aircraft without upsetting him.

Thought it was him.... :)

Mark Cromey Think the RAF / MoD used actors in a few of their safety information films in that time. I remember a film about a Harrier pilot who was played by a well known actor during the 70’s and 80’s but his name escapes me.

Must have made it on a 'Shoestring' budget then...😄

@@dickiemcvitie1752 Richard O'Sullivan was the actor in question. If memory serves a couple of the 1970's Flight Safety films had the Brigadier out of Doctor Who play somebody based on Wing Commander Spey.

I remember an army training video with a very young David Jason as a soldier 😂

Only just thank you. The Mk 7a seat

@@raymondpilley2971 And of course the Armourer's for fitting it... I hope the traditional keg/slab of beer was upheld :-)

Richard Stout Richard there were warnings on hydraulic wing fold F4’s, and on the two stickers and the simulator. I have often wondered just how much ‘they’ saved by taking away the hydraulic wing fold system , physically removing the captions, removing the bulb and replacing with, SPARE. Somebody must know. The final paradox was that the Flight Reference Cards only required a check for ‘ wings spread and locked’ on INAS aircraft with the sole purpose of recognising that the INAS could not be aligned with the wings up.

When the Phantom was first procured, it came with hydraulic wingfold, albeit operated from a switch in the left wheel well (whereas the F4J-the model the RAF Phantoms was based on, had it in the back cockpit I think) so all the F4K's had it and all the F4M's upto I think XV410, with an indicator on the CWP panel. It was decided that the RAF Phantoms didn't need to have a hydraulically operated one as the hangers had plenty of room to store a squadrons worth of aircraft, so at extra cost per aeroplane it was removed and replaced with a mechanical one which had the wingfold flag that arose from the wing (and was painted the same colour as the wing around it - which was changed to dayglow orange after the accident) and then a square slot to operate the wingfold lock, so there was no indication in the cockpit. Then as it happened the wingfold locking lugs had to be inspected on a regular basis, so if the hydraulics had not been removed this may never have happened

​@@PathfinderMan123Good old money saving ideas 💡 that led to the loss of at least one aircraft.I wonder whose idea that was.

I was the SEngO on 29 Sqn at RAF Coningsby , I was a ranker and started as an apprentice on Air Radar. When I took over I had a meeting with my WO, a Flight Sergeant, a USM Lieutenant (on exchange) and a handful of specialist Chief Techs. I had arranged a Friday stand-down at lunchtime where we would join the other NCO's and the rest of the Squadron, including the aircrew for a piss-up. I split the group into four with about five to six in each group, at random. The task was to report what worked, what did not work and what (if) needed changing. Also at random one member from each team made a short presentation of the findings of each group. The result was that things had been previously well run and generally not much needed fixing. My time on the Squadron was very short, the Wing Co Eng went a little strange at I was acting for about 6 months, but that is another story.

@@christopherrobinson7541 Hi Chris, a good common sense approach ,, if only more of your colleagues did the same

The 'warning flags' were painted dayglow orange instead of being the same grey as the wing paint

Also limited to around 38000 feet too in reheat.

The Speys were better at low-level than the J79s, but not at altitude. Some of that was in part to the fact that the Spey was a physically bigger engine meaning the rear fuselage produced more drag

I seem to recall Bill Gunston describing the as 'the most powerful, expensive and slowest Phantoms yet built'! It was political, ....

​@benpotter614 and none of the access panels lined up for maintenance,, a real political dog 🐕 🙄

@@scottmaclean1248 Main issue was the Compressor Inlet Temperature limits on the Spey were lower than the J-79 and that Rolls Royce put a fuel control limiting system in the engine that chopped fuel flow if the engine over heated, over RPM'ed or over pressured. Gas Turbines don't like supersonic airflow going in at the Compressor face, thus the aircraft had an intake system that uses the interactions of the Sonic shockwaves and duct shape to slow the air down. In doing this it compresses the air and makes it hot. J-79 was allowed to go up to Mach 2 or a CIT of 127 Degrees C for an unlimited period. Any faster and that over temp could be lived with for 5 minutes in any one flight up to a speed of Mach 2.4 (it's in the pilot notes for the USAF F-4C/D/E). The Pilots Notes for the Phantom FG Mk 1 limit the Max speed to Mach 2.1 and a CIT of 122 Degress C..

Yes both ejected successfully.

Eddie Shoestring!

God knows what you are on about clarify or delete please

@@bac1111967 no pilot ever has a pen on him/her when they go to sign for the aircraft. Personally I get asked this every single time by the engineering lineys.

What a highly aggressive response...!

I dont know but the full film is available on Amazon with 3others. I do recognise them but I cant remember any names, Sorry.

Using a long Tee Bar with a 3/8 square end to disengage the ERU lock after removing the ERU cartridge holder for safety.

@@paulsteele4801 Thanks for that

@@paulsteele4801 Could you tell me the difference between the blue 28lb ers and the green 28lb ers

@@avpinstarter The so called green 28 pounders were actually 14kg and slimmer and longer than the old blue 28's. There had to be spacers on the ERU jaws to accomodate the difference in size diameter. I think the smoke filling was a different compound to the old 28's. I'm not sure but I think the old blue 28's became obsolete sometime in the 80's and were replaced by the 14kg. I left 12Sqn in 1981 and didn't see another PB until 1987 when I was posted to 208Sqn and they were the green 14kg.

Forgot to say that the green bombs had a designation blue band around the tail end to denote it was a practice bomb and didn't contain high explosive. If the band was yellow then it would contian HE.

Is a look back at the role that the American-built McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom played within the RAF during the cold war. Widely regarded as the most successful fighter plane in history, the Phantom entered service with the RAF and Royal Navy in April 1968, as a replacement for the ageing BAC Lightning, following years of distinguished service in the Vietnam war. This title comprises three films: 'Phantom Pilot' (1973) follows the trainee pilots as they progress from basic Chipmunk trainers to become fully qualified Phantom pilots; 'Oversight' (1976) is a training film based on a true story, demonstrating how, through a series of errors, the RAF lost a Phantom; finally, 'Low Flying Training' (1971) follows the training given to navigators to allow them to fly 'under the radar'. It is still availale from Amazon I believe

Thanks, Ian, and the Phantom is one of the stars of the tv-serie Squadron, which cannot be found anywhere unfortunately.

I've seen the RAF Phantom many times in airshows in Britain en Germany. I don't know if it ever performed on a RNAF Open Day.

@@bac1111967 The Phantom FGR 2 was bought to replace the Hunter (and Canberra) in the Tactical Fighter / Strike / Reconnaissance role. The Phantoms in this film from 41 Squadron being equipped primarily to do the later. The only pure Air Defence Squadron in the RAF using Phantoms in the 1960's and early 1970's were 43 Squadron who were equipped with Phantom FG1's originally ordered for the Royal Navy, who then decided to not take 20 of them when the planned refit of HMS Eagle that would allow it to operate the aircraft was cancelled. The Phantom only started replacing the Lightning in the air defence role in 1975, when the Sepecat Jaguar had started to replaced the Phantom in its original RAF role.

Yes.

@@bac1111967Yes, Some are actors or that is Trevor Eve ?

argentina lost - get over it!

Love it .... and no pink uniforms!!!!

They live rent free in your head ffs

climate change is a myth if you follow the science. Great barrier reef was dying according to climate experts - its grown by 63% this year alone so who is the bullshittersspinning this crap?

Climate change is just a big marketing scam. Always has been.

Yeah, been hearing this climate change crap since the 70s... New York, Washington, Florida and most of the East Coast of the US should have been underwater years ago because of all the " melting ' icebergs. Go peddle your eco-disaster crap elsewhere.

J79 was better at higher altitude above 35,000 feet and better climb and speed. Spey produced more thrust than J79 and was better lower altitude than J79. Both are good jet engines.

You know what they say about an animal who is "speyed"? The get a bit fatter around the arse and more sluggish.. :D :D

@@TachyonDriver Hahaha not quite correct in fact because the speyed Phantom climbed like a pterosaur :)

Have a look at Aircrew interview. There's a British pilot, on 1 of the videos, who goes into detail on the comparisons, among other things.

Long story short they had better performance at low altitude but weren't as hot up high. The added thrust of the Spey was required for safe operation from the Ark Royal and Eagle (though Eagle never got the mods required to deploy them). Fitting the Spey resulted in a redesign of the aft fuselage and this resulted in increased drag, hence more thrust but slower...

@@FallenPhoenix86 OK I undertand but wasn't the superior climb, acceleration, and sustained turning performance of the Spey Variant (coupled with much less smoke), much more important in practice than sheer speed?

@@pascalchauvet7625 Yes and no, the overall speed advantage was fairly marginal even at high alt but acceleration is radically different and more pronounced the higher you go. If I remember right from about 15,000 ft down the Spey powered F-4's were superior across the envelope, however J-79 powered were increasingly superior from 15,000 ft up. The RAF operated a single squadron of ex-USN F-4J's and most of the guys that flew both preferred the J model. If it hadn't been for the need to operate from our smaller carriers I doubt we'd have bothered re-engining them.

@@FallenPhoenix86 Highly interesting thank you