RAF recruitment head refused to follow "unlawful" hiring order, leaked email reveals

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The RAF's head of recruitment refused to follow an order to prioritise women and ethnic minority candidates over white men because she believed it was "unlawful", defence sources have claimed and a leaked email has revealed.
Security and Defence editor Deborah Haynes revealed last week that the head of recruitment had resigned over what sources described as an "effective pause" on offering jobs to white men.
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@chrisstyles7095 Жыл бұрын

Well done to this Group Captain .who ordered this needs legal action taken against them .I served 12 years in the RAF I'm disgusted that the UK is come to this . The guys denying this are also seriously at breach

@dovetonsturdee7033 Жыл бұрын

A senior officer with integrity? She won't last long, if she challenges the 'agenda.'

@jamestcatcato7132 Жыл бұрын

Bull! This is just fascism in the British army!

@LemmingOverlord Жыл бұрын

@@jamestcatcato7132 Nope. Whoever ordered diversity and inclusion hires isn't a fascist, but they're working against their country's best interests.

@Zooumberg Жыл бұрын

@@LemmingOverlord The Government is working against the best interests of the majority of the population. They're using stories like this to deflect from that fact. I was walking up a street in Newcastle yesterday and saw a homeless man asleep propped up against a traffic bollard. I thought, no fancy hotel for him, but we're spending £5m a day for people who aren't from here.

@djohn1671 Жыл бұрын

now they can target her with 'racism' claims to undermine her opinion and stance on the recruitment agenda.

@Gideon_the_Seraph Жыл бұрын

She was well within her right to do so. Hire based on skill not skin. Excellent job

@AH-sr5px Жыл бұрын

Critical jobs recruit on merit not tokenism

@RagingBull_UK Жыл бұрын

Massive respect to the female officer saying 'no' to this unlawful order.

@anonymousone6075 Жыл бұрын

RAF claims they are but I bet they have 0 trans

@mjh5437 Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousone6075 So what?

@anonymousone6075 Жыл бұрын

@@mjh5437 They need to be proud of serving in the RAF, give them something to do other than being proud of their sexuality

@homeskillet9802 Жыл бұрын

"positive discrimination" Otherwise known as discrimination.

@oliveryt7168 Жыл бұрын

It's racism... against "white" people.

@anonymousone6075 Жыл бұрын

Positive for a minority... negative for the majority WOKE

@islander790 Жыл бұрын

"Positive discrimination"...still discrimination, still unlawful, still a sh1t idea

@chrisdeep8417 Жыл бұрын

Actually positive discrimination leads to segregation and a greater need for positive discrimination hence more discrimination. All we need is to promote intelligent people despite superficial difference not the other way around (i.e promote superficial difference despite stupid people, which is exactly what will end up doing).

@daz657 Жыл бұрын

What a way to weaken a country, pick your armed forces personnel based on their gender and ethnicity and not ability.

@ReeseL4D Жыл бұрын

racist

@jodavies2637 Жыл бұрын

@@ReeseL4D shut up

@leewolf6434 Жыл бұрын

Imagine hiring based off anything other than their fit for the role. These diversity targets are not just bad for business but are bad for the individuals who no longer have to work hard to achieve their goals aslong as they tick a box.

@Foodgigglesandfootie Жыл бұрын

Happens all the time unfortunately all over.

@leewolf6434 Жыл бұрын

@@Foodgigglesandfootie indeed

@wolfiestreet6899 Жыл бұрын

Most institutions are deploying such discriminatory measures as a matter of policy. I know that there are recruitment practices that automatically deselect candidates simply for choosing 'prefer not to say' on 'diversity monitoring' questionnaires. All such questionnaires and surveys are merely incarnations of Adornos F scale. It's all an ideological witch hunt.

@StinkyGoblin Жыл бұрын

This has nothing to do with hiring, same people were getting in just in got to training faster.

@billybatts8283 Жыл бұрын

As a straight, white, healthy male I can honestly say if conscription is ever made a thing, I'll say no. My own government, media and fellow citizens are more of a threat to me than any external nation now.

@dovetonsturdee7033 Жыл бұрын

Well, large numbers of fit young men, probably trained in the use of firearms, land on the South Coast every day. I am sure they will step forward to defend Britain should the time come.

@MarkloopRAF Жыл бұрын

@@dovetonsturdee7033 The Gurkha's have been doing it long enough 🙂And what superb people they are.

@wolfiestreet6899 Жыл бұрын

They have always been the greatest threat.

@michaelcoward1902 Жыл бұрын

@@dovetonsturdee7033 "Probably" - which translates to "I don't know but i'm going to lie about it and pretend they all are anyway".

@GR-tz9wf Жыл бұрын

I would never fight for this country Iam straight, white, healthy male .I would just say I identify as female and I won't have to fight

@Looshfarmer Жыл бұрын

Shows how Ideologues can and do infiltrate Institutions. As well as prove they place Ideology ahead of the law, or common good.

@wolfiestreet6899 Жыл бұрын

The Long March.

@jjr1728 Жыл бұрын

@@wolfiestreet6899 through the institutions.... OYYY VEYYYYY shut it down stop mentioning these things...

@jamesoakley4570 Жыл бұрын

glad to see the captain has common sense. I dont understand using discrimination to fight discrimination. its hypocritical

@JLneonhug Жыл бұрын

Much like the whole constitution of todays armies, but we still have them. Go figure.

@derin111 Жыл бұрын

As a mixed-race male I can wholeheartedly say that if this policy exists it is truly depressing for EVERYONE in this country regardless of the race, gender or orientation. It is right that it is ILLEGAL and I really thought (and hoped) that the major institutions of this country were already beyond the need for this and that people were employed purely on the basis of merit and their suitability for the job in hand. Sadly, it seems I was naive and that this is not the case. It’s a sad revelation for EVERYONE actually!

@twilightzone2261 Жыл бұрын

They need all the manpower and women power they can get . Maybe open a new school for ethnic minorities and women . Still like normal school and there are many different types of schools in this country .Enrol to a school where did not have to focus any energy on external crap which arises sometimes just from minor differences

@m.k.s.7417 Жыл бұрын

@@twilightzone2261 school, what??

@m.k.s.7417 Жыл бұрын

I Hope, that: - "my fellow_ Mixed -Race people"; will NOT Join any Militaries, -(Personally); T.B.H.!!

@twilightzone2261 Жыл бұрын

@@m.k.s.7417 it doesn’t mater what I say the overwhelming power will have their way

@djohn1671 Жыл бұрын

no such thing as positive discrimination it's just DISCRIMINATION.

@StinkyGoblin Жыл бұрын

Not really no. discrimination means the person is being victumised positive discrimination means the person is being unjustly treated in a positive way. like nepotism.

@blairrobert3438 Жыл бұрын

@@StinkyGoblin Not choosing someone for being white and male is discrimination.

@djohn1671 Жыл бұрын

@@StinkyGoblin yes, but nepotism would not be on the job application. I.e ' only family members of the supervisor allowed'. To put only women / ethnics apply would be DISCRIMINATION.

@comradeblyat25 Жыл бұрын

Diversity is not needed. Patriotism is

@oorya1780 Жыл бұрын

Diversity isn't hugely important for any workforce, the best people for the job are.

@discipleaj Жыл бұрын

GOOD. Its about time this was spoken up about! Best people for the jobs, irrespective of skin complexion and gender. We need the best people getting the highest skilled jobs, irrespective of the job role and industry.

@disillusioned8686 Жыл бұрын

The UK has gone so woke. Now they are even breaking the law in the name of wokeness. Utter embarrassment…

@peterjones6507 Жыл бұрын

Well done to the Head of Recruitment for standing up to racism.

@bobrail733 Жыл бұрын

Funny the whites can't play the race card too 🤔🤔🤔

@brucehamilton5609 Жыл бұрын

Diversity is 'hugely important for any workforce'. Really? Why so? (Sky News doing its bit)

@Ishvires Жыл бұрын

if this is happening in raf, what is happening in public sector?

@jamiam23 Жыл бұрын

As an ex MTD who left and now works for an LA in children's services we doing just fine mate

@ddark0077 Жыл бұрын

We need more people like this in our forces people with a backbone who wont screw people over for a left wing agenda.

@toddgriffin7174 Жыл бұрын

Bruh, I’m left wing and I think this is stupid.

@MervynPartin Жыл бұрын

I once applied to join the RAF. I was rejected (and quite rightly- although they did say that they might have me as a navigator if there was a war on!) but if I had been accepted nevertheless, and be told it was due to being in an EM or some other tick box, it would have been completely wrong and belittling.

@hashem.0074 Жыл бұрын

Disobeying an illegal order, how honorable. It is a pity it is only to preserve ethnic interests, and none of the illegal orders that effect everyone are rebuffed.

@enigma7791 Жыл бұрын

Best person for the role...anything else just dilutes talent and intelligence.

@juliedearlove8098 Жыл бұрын

I really don't think candidates WANT to be chosen because of their gender or ethnicity anyway.Most people want to earn their place on merit IE they are the best person for the job. I would be horrified if I had the slightest feeling I was being chosen to suit an agenda😤

@wolfiestreet6899 Жыл бұрын

Yes, many do. It's a salary. Bills need paying.

@grahvis Жыл бұрын

It would seriously undermine anyone who had advanced through their ability.

@chrisdeep8417 Жыл бұрын

We should be working to end discrimination not promoting it.

@SA-5247 Жыл бұрын

I think this is going to backfire so hard. When talented, qualified people decide they’re no longer valued, they will leave, and then these companies and government agencies are left is a fraction of the talent pool they started with and everyone suffers. This has never worked..

@berserkirclaws107 Жыл бұрын

Woke RAF !?!?! WTF???? I'm glad they seem stand their ground.

@dogmadogma5398 Жыл бұрын

Yeah ONE person. ONE

@simonbaxter8001 Жыл бұрын

@@dogmadogma5398 There are a number of RAF flying instructors (past and present) that are fighting this lunacy. They are the ones that are getting candidates that are taking longer to train and failing more as a direct result of this policy. That leads to front line shortages at a time when the RAF is already at bare bones levels!

@dogmadogma5398 Жыл бұрын

@@simonbaxter8001 They have more patience than me. Good that some will try to defend this failing state. Better get learning Chinese. I can't so I will be removed.

@lolzlolz102 Жыл бұрын

Shame she quit, she should have been promoted!

@andrewdaley3081 Жыл бұрын

Yes for having the balls ti stand up to them and say no. 🇬🇧👍

@baulder3055 Жыл бұрын

"Increasing diversity is hugely important for any work force" - Why?

@TheCreation0fAdam Жыл бұрын

The happens in lots of other sectors to like the Police and Schools. It's been going on for 20 years. Diversity at the expense of the best lesson for the job

@pogo930 Жыл бұрын

Interestingly, I believe the EU has recently introduced legislation requiring all large companies throughout the EU to ensure that they maintain a gender diversity split amongst all their senior positions so that a minimum 40% of positions are held by the minority gender. In effect no more than 60% of senior manager/director jobs can be held by men, with the rest held by women and vice versa. This can however, ONLY be achieved through some form of positive discrimination .

@wolfiestreet6899 Жыл бұрын

'Positive'....

@MervynPartin Жыл бұрын

Yet another reason for being out of the EU.

@chrisdeep8417 Жыл бұрын

I wonder how this will go down in the construction industry.

@anonymousone6075 Жыл бұрын

so where do the other 20% of the majority go? benefits?

@wolfiestreet6899 Жыл бұрын

@@chrisdeep8417 Or sewage treatment, oil rigs, refuse collection, mining....

@trigger1471 Жыл бұрын

A female who has more balls than her fellow males,thats what the RAF should be looking for,good luck to that Group Captain,

@billybatts8283 Жыл бұрын

If a male done this he'd be arrested for sexist/racist actions and his entire life and family would be destroyed.

@melissacole3360 Жыл бұрын

All this WOKENESS has got to stop before people get hurt or even killed due to the ineptitude of people who got to their station through their gender or skin colour!! I admire this group captains decision and the light it's brought on the farcas of supposed diversity. 🤔🤔👍

@colinjames2346 Жыл бұрын

So positive discrimination is wrong, but 'positive action' is right. Perfect example of politician's doubletalk.

@grahvis Жыл бұрын

That depends, positive action could be the checking to see if the are any hurdles peculiar to ethnic minorities or women and making sure they are removed.

@colinjames2346 Жыл бұрын

So it would be 'removing hurdles' for some but not for others. Positive discrimination and positive action are both cant terms, designed to facilitate what they purport to oppose.

@grahvis Жыл бұрын

@@colinjames2346 . Well it wouldn't mean removing hurdles where no hurdles existed, so no it wouldn't mean removing hurdles for others.

@colinjames2346 Жыл бұрын

'Where no hurdles existed'. Oh, hurdles for some but not for others then. Who decides whether another individual has or has not faced hurdles? Give all applicants the same aptitude tests. Accept those who do best. The RAF isn't a competition in perceived fairness anyway. It's purpose is to fight. There is no other.

@williamslinn5245 Жыл бұрын

Discrimination, whichever way it's viewed is wrong! The jobs should be awarded solely on merit.

@kieran9246 Жыл бұрын

Shouldn't have any diversity targets, just hire people who are best for the role.

@chrisdeep8417 Жыл бұрын

We should be working to end discrimination instead of promoting it.

@IBTU Жыл бұрын

Good man about time these woke fools didn’t get what they want

@auntia7687 Жыл бұрын

She is a woman

@KaktoPredi4e Жыл бұрын

Why is diversity 'hugely important' for any workforce? Just because? We need more women plumbers, builders and oil rig workers because they aren't very diverse....

@MidQuotient-jh1yf Жыл бұрын

Surely if it is the BRITISH army, we should have BRITISH people in it.

@keithtruscott992 Жыл бұрын

Tell that to the Gurkhas, glad they fight with us and not against us.

@scroggins100 Жыл бұрын

As an RAF Vet I am disgusted. We were always first and foremost a meritocracy. Race colour, creed had nothing whatever to do with it.

@toto-yf8tc Жыл бұрын

I wonder : does British Airways hire pilote based on their race or gender identity?

@jamiebarnes4804 Жыл бұрын

Tbh I don't think a majority of people these days would care if a black woman got hired because she was more suited to the role based on her backround and skills over a white man but the fact that there basing requirement on people's ethnicity is just wrong

@StinkyGoblin Жыл бұрын

Thats not what was happening my G

@garyrobinson3001 Жыл бұрын

This is disgraceful and akin to giving the losers a trophy whilst the winners are shown the door! 😡

@liamhorn1150 Жыл бұрын

Wtf seriously 😳 what were they thinking

@richardanthonygilbey Жыл бұрын

The RAF only do what the Army say, so any story about the RAF, is a complete waste of time , as your complaining to the RAF about the RAF , which will draw a few laffs

@newage3 Жыл бұрын

Diversity hugely important for any workforce - simple question WHY.............................?

@mattlondon2242 Жыл бұрын

What's positive about discrimination?

@twistedsister2568 Жыл бұрын

No such thing as positive discrimination. Any discrimination is wrong.

@iamspartacus3114 Жыл бұрын

Rather ironic that it is a woman who has to take a stand against discrimination.

@timw9047 Жыл бұрын

Racial diversity is "hugely important". No it isn't. As long as businesses aren't refusing to hire anyone based on race it doesn't matter at all if there is racial diversity or not. It would only matter to ppl who think black ppl or white ppl are essentially different from each other, aka, racists.

@kev3260 Жыл бұрын

'Diversity Hugely important for any workforce', exactly what does Sky news base this statement upon? I've worked in lot's of different places, diversity has never been hugely important to any workforce more of an eggshell strewn minefield to be crossed.

@acthompson9983 Жыл бұрын

Diversity is a myth, always has been. To suggest that white people cannot function unless there is BAME or whatever is racist. Simple

@lordtywinofhouselannister5433 Жыл бұрын

Personally I'll never fight along side an African or Asian in my trench.

@randomclick2826 Жыл бұрын

Who gave the unlawful order? Why does the law only apply to the people and not the institutions/government. Have we forgotten 800 years of common law?

@HzHz Жыл бұрын

Only hire people who qualify & are fit for the job. This is why we are in such a state now, all these namby-pamby laws & directives.

@belfasta Жыл бұрын

Woke UK woke RAF woke army woke sailors woke government

@alexshaw4182 Жыл бұрын

"Course Loading" is an everyday term for adding candidates to a course. I wish reporters wouldn't guess about this sort of thing.

@barbaraaimson2100 Жыл бұрын

Thank goodness someone has sense

@karlsilverone Жыл бұрын

The Chinese and Russian Airforces are laughing at us...

@kaysharp4303 Жыл бұрын

I wonder why they don't do this kind of thing for manual labour jobs like brick layers or sewerage workers? hmmmmmmm

@lightweightbaby69 Жыл бұрын

Australia has had to deal with this for years!

@Photon_Collector Жыл бұрын

"Hugely important for any workforce". Why?

@SubjectiveFunny Жыл бұрын

How are our militaries supposed to institute Operation Human Shield if these policies are not enforced??

@random6809 Жыл бұрын

Now expose the BBC policy that does the same. See Doctor Who.

@msquared6695 Жыл бұрын

Respect to her

@haggishighways Жыл бұрын

Got rejected last year. They said I was in a dangerous country and therefore not eligible for joining the RAF. Makes sense now.

@dovetonsturdee7033 Жыл бұрын

The alleged 'Armed Forces' Minister is an irrelevance. He will be gone in a matter of weeks.

@SuperCatbert Жыл бұрын

positive discrimination is not a positive thing. It demoralises white men in a big way.

@squeaksvids5886 Жыл бұрын

Didn’t Labour a few years ago say they were going to have female only candidates to get more female MPs.

@timw9047 Жыл бұрын

Do they just get uni activists to write all this scripts..

@bienenfluegel Жыл бұрын

It’s funny how some industries will opt for blind auditions to tackle problems with discrimination (like orchestras) and others decide that it’s better to have lesser qualified people do a job where they could seriously endanger themselves and others to tick boxes instead of taking the best person available. As well wouldn’t this just create additional heat because anyone that basically isn’t white male would be questioned on their legitimacy of having entered the RAF through proper procedure rather than through diversity privilege. The approach seems wrong to me. If there is a desire to boost the numbers of minorities within the RAF, proper incentive should be given to qualified people to consider a career and engage in the training and education that is required for enlistment. There might just be other industry sectors they prefer working, have different aspirations in life or lack the specific education required. People are individuals and not numbers or boxes on a page to satisfy your statistics.

@random6809 Жыл бұрын

Imagine how the minorities now feel thinking that they may not be there due to them being the best, but due to box ticking.

@bienenfluegel Жыл бұрын

@@random6809 exactly! I literally would hate to be hired „because of female quotas“ rather than because I’m the best candidate! The self doubt and the stigma would be horrible.

@chrisdeep8417 Жыл бұрын

True, positive discrimination leads to greater discrimination in general. Also the reason why programmes like the Voice have more talent than BGT.

@TheWebstaff Жыл бұрын

I hope that the group captain is reemployed and takes the job of who ever issued that order.

@PATTERDALE78 Жыл бұрын

Have no respect for the RAF at all after a tour in Afghan in 2009 on two separate occasions refused to come in for casualties due to still been under fire from the taliban It wasn’t effective fire but still wouldn’t come in. But thanks to the yanks we got them out of there.

@upperiscopeUK Жыл бұрын

This is a tawdry state of affairs.

@petertelford5338 Жыл бұрын

Whoever it was, should be promoted. Promoted.

@GwladYrHaf Жыл бұрын

She has since been retired

@petertelford5338 Жыл бұрын

@@GwladYrHaf cover up it sounds like to me.

@serviusm9523 Жыл бұрын

If it is within the RAF it is safe to assume similar hiring practices are across the UK. These hiring practices only breed resentment

@ticklingoscillators1852 Жыл бұрын

Good! Hope more follow in her steps.

@patricktracey7424 Жыл бұрын

this was not as they are trying to label it as a matter of internal policy it was a criminal act which was carried out 160 times and the air chief should be investigated by the police and prosecuted.the evidence is there and if the police do not act then they are in neglect of duty.

@chrisdeep8417 Жыл бұрын

We should be working to end discrimination instead of promoting it.

@brettshirley Жыл бұрын

Good, though a real shame that she felt the need to resign

@andrewdaley3081 Жыл бұрын

She refused an order she had no choice she had to resign. Im personally glad she stood up to these idiots. 🇬🇧👍

@sovkhan4359 Жыл бұрын

I would have thought the last place for discrimination to occur would be the military; then again the RAF is known to be more different and therefore “hated” than both the Royal Navy and the Army (I used speech marks because a majority of people in the army and the navy dislike the RAF due to their personnel being provided with better circumstances and environments such as better hotels, food etc.). I don’t speak for everyone but it’s just stating facts.

@matthewbartsh9167 Жыл бұрын

I'm very surprised to hear that positive discrimination is illegal in the UK. I thought it was everywhere in the UK. What about the requirement to have female board members in big comparnies? What about all female shortlists in elections for the house of commons, then? And does this mean that affirmative action is illegal? And what is "positive action"? I've never even heard of the latter.

@halemann4015 Жыл бұрын

It should be based on competency not race or gender.

@TN-xx4ih Жыл бұрын

“Diversity targets won’t affect anyone”

@handlesarefeckinstupid Жыл бұрын

Positive discrimination is discrimination. Best person for the job or not at all. It never ends well.

@bhew7409 Жыл бұрын

She will no be replaced by a yes man. This is bad news.

@starkiller23610 Жыл бұрын

Why don't these people pushing this help out first hand by giving up their own positions for POCs and Minorities? Weird how everyone else has to lose jobs except them.

@cherylmartin6338 Ай бұрын

Not just the airforce. So-called intelligence agency also putting out recruitment adds targeted at recruiting non whites.

@flyinghigh2701 Жыл бұрын

positive discrimination? wtf has happened to the world. just think about it

@Smithy779 Жыл бұрын

Em's are always using the racism card. Where is our racism card when stuff like this happens??? Does anyone know?

@rubbercable Жыл бұрын

This is "ideology-based" propaganda. RAF is complaining when *Diversity meets standards, but NOT 'First-Past-The-Post'.*

@twlufc Жыл бұрын

Next we will be re painting the white cliffs of Dover.

@Willowy13 Жыл бұрын

This is a national security threat. Imagine hiring someone like this and then sending them to war. They will abandon their position if the other side don't adress them by the right pronouns.🤣

@TomNook. Жыл бұрын

This is hilarous

@sascasasca9879 Жыл бұрын

Rehire and promote the group captain. Sack who issued this stupid order.

@blackpanther8219 Жыл бұрын

all those army and officers I never saw 👀 a single black man or women 🤔

@andrewdaley3081 Жыл бұрын

Peoples comments being deleted expecially women saying she has balls. 🇬🇧👍

@elioraward9079 Жыл бұрын

Why is the word unlawful in quotes in the title of this video? The group captain was %100 right, the order was unlawful. Just like overcharging pregnant women from overseas is unlawful because it's based on their immigration status and gender which is against both the UK discrimination act as well as international law. The UK Government has a real problem with favoring or discriminating against immigrants and minorities whichever suits their purpose at the time; that is the real root of this story.

@19katherine1213 Жыл бұрын

If everyone started on the same starting line and had equal opportunities the RAF would get to pick the best people and there would be diversity at the same time. But providing equal opportunities isn’t really the RAF’s job is it

@keithcunningham6696 Жыл бұрын

People up in arms that this can happen in the RAF based on gender or race. All the while the police service of northern ireland (had/could still be) been recruiting based on religion for years.

@louisecourt6500 Жыл бұрын

editor.... insert random none RAF aircraft in to video clip !!

@ericcollins7455 Жыл бұрын

Well I guess it saves on camouflage cream.

@Richie5903 Жыл бұрын

When recruiting for any branch of the armed services .. the only thing that should matter is that the best person for that role gets selected. Cherry picking people because of skin colour , gender or sexual preference over talent just leaves us with a less effective armed forces. Worse than that will lead to unnecessary deaths caused by people that do not have the skills needed to keep themselves or those fighting alongside them alive. Personally I don't care who gets selected as long as they are top of their class. The armed forces are NOT a place for forced diversity.