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@suichilegend 9 ай бұрын

The music go together with the situation very well

@lime455 9 ай бұрын

PFP?

@merlino4100 9 ай бұрын

oh a classic a non dutch man learning about sinterklaas.

@savage7882 9 ай бұрын

VEE GO OUT IN ZE SNO VIT ZE FRYING PAN AND TRY TO CATCH SINTERKLAAS'S EEEVIL GIFTS FROM ZE SKYY

@panose6542 9 ай бұрын

sad part is sinterklaas is the direct inspiration for Santa Claus

@jayderpay 6 ай бұрын

Dat is juist grappig

@Garl_Vinland 9 ай бұрын

“Behave little kinder, or we’ll send you to the rubber colonies, where black Peter comes from!”

@movespammerguyteam7colors 9 ай бұрын

Oh no… Somehow I knew how this was going to end up after saying that one god dam phrase. Though I will admit “We Welsh don’t have racism except against the English!” is the funniest thing I’ve ever heard.

@the98themperoroftheholybri33 9 ай бұрын

It's pure Welsh copium at them basically being English now, there's only a few places in northern Welsh that are actually of Britonnic ancestry

@ryanread8617 9 ай бұрын

@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 What do you mean by ancestry? Do you mean by culture, language or like pure blooded Britonnic ancestry, as Welsh and loads of English who have Welsh in there blood would have Britonnic ancestry in their veins at small percents.

@ZeroXSEED 9 ай бұрын

@@ryanread8617 That guy argued that the current Welsh are SAXON descendant (just like Englishmen), and the Britons are the real minority, which is absolutely wrong. Welsh are majority Britons.

@Dan_Kanerva 9 ай бұрын

@@ZeroXSEED if we want to talk about "pure blood ancestry , the only ones in the UK that could maybe make a case would be the Irish as they have been in near isolation almost as much as the Japanese

@VandalAudi 8 ай бұрын

I mean, the welsh... well border welsh, has morris dances that uses blackface makeup

@grifferman 9 ай бұрын

Only Welsh holiday mascot I can think of is the Mari Lywd. Basically you wear a horse's skull and a bedsheet and go door to door rap battling people to be allowed into their homes and eat their food.

@dolofonosesostrefis 9 ай бұрын

Ok but to be fair that one is cool as hell

@kkuwura 9 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, Connor has said before that he also had done it

@zay7958 9 ай бұрын

Thats some fnf shit

@BreakerX42 9 ай бұрын

Yeah you pretend to be Mari Lywd in Assassins Creed Valhalla

@treyebillups8602 9 ай бұрын

sam o'nella?

@xycrenegaming6047 9 ай бұрын

The constant, dreadful background music really adds to the emotional roller coaster of when Connor is discovering all this XD

@TheShadyGamerChannel 9 ай бұрын

We also celebrate it in Belgium. Black Pete always hooked me up with the best candy, ngl. Even in highschool they did it. Had Sinterklaas call out a guy in class for smoking weed on the bus while two black Pete's wrestled another kid into a jute bag. Shit was wild ~

@gryphon4150 9 ай бұрын

You know I'm curious, was it straight up malicious racism like slavery and segregation crap, or was it weird ignorant racism, like Japan with designing Mr Popo and Jynx that looked vaguely like an old school black physical stereotype.

@TheShadyGamerChannel 9 ай бұрын

During my childhood I never heard of it being linked to any malicious racism. Sinterklaas and his black Pete's were more viewed as magical beings by kids like Santa Claus and his elves. As far as I know most of the outrage about it started when Americans caught wind of it. Nowadays most Pete's just wear black smears on their faces to go with the chimney story. @@gryphon4150

@autohmae 9 ай бұрын

@@gryphon4150 The history is actually kind of murky, as far as I understand experts don't really agree, but the modern story/excuse was: these are freed slaves. So that makes it OK, right ? They are happy, it's a happy holiday. Let's remember Santa Claus and Sinterklaas are based in the same origin. They are like Santa's helpers. The tradition goes back further than blackface in the US and has no relationship to it, so it didn't have the same intentions/origin. My guess is lots of people aren't willing to accept that the holiday they loved as kids is somehow racist. Because as kids they were 'colorblind' to the problematic imagery. So it caused a lot of resentment from both sides of the argument. Slavery ended in the Netherlands before the UK or US, but their is a long tail, for example slaves were still being sold by the Dutch for a while in the Americas. Might be illegal in the home country, but let's say business if business after all...

@jarrettodom3943 9 ай бұрын

@@gryphon4150 Except Mr Popo isn't meant to be racist at all and has nothing to do with black people neither does Jynx.

@gryphon4150 9 ай бұрын

@@jarrettodom3943 That's why I said ignorant. They didn't know cause, you know, it's Japan. They don't have the same history as the US does so they do things that in our eyes are kind of in the grey zone. That's why I don't think what they did was bad. They come from an entirely different culture to ourselves, but that doesn't change the fact that the imagery is rather uncomfortably close to the racist depictions of black people.

@civildisorder 9 ай бұрын

Modern Internet: "NO NOT BRAZIL" Oldschool Netherlands: "NO NOT SPAIN"

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

We did sorta separate from Spain to found our nation, our founding father was practically raised by the king of Spain until the king started burning protestants at the stakes.

@anastasiaekimova5101 9 ай бұрын

Yeah spanish were horrible during Netherland revolution

@sunzoo2337 9 ай бұрын

We have Black Pete in Germany too He is part of a Card game and lets just say the old version has an Artstyle that fits this Story

@autohmae 9 ай бұрын

Well, both Sinterklaas and Santa Claus (you can even see/hear it in the name) have a shared origin, which I think came from Germany.

@animdalf9178 9 ай бұрын

Oh shit you just made me realise, Black Pete = Černý Petr ... we have that card game in Czechia as well ... now the funny thing is, I never realised the black part was likely meant as a race thing, I just thought it was literally color black

@michalzarddev 6 ай бұрын

same here in slovakia

@AJLaz000 9 ай бұрын

his reaction with the background music lmfao

@RemizZ 9 ай бұрын

In Germany we used to play "Wer hat Angst vorm schwarzen Mann", literally "who's afraid of the black man" in elementary school 🤣 and not even just between us kids, lead by the teachers in gym class lol. Different times.

@justasnowball 9 ай бұрын

In Finland we had "Kuka pelkää mustaa pekkaa" "Who's afraid of black pekka" (pekka=a common name like Joe). There was 1 dude who was the pekka standing on one side of a football field at the start and the rest were standing on the other side. Someone would yell that sentence really loud and then you had to run to the other side without getting touched by the pekka. If you got caught you'd join the pekka team, and the game winner is the last one to get caught.

@RemizZ 9 ай бұрын

Yup, exact same game lol @@justasnowball

@Alias_Anybody 5 ай бұрын

Which, to be fair, was referencing the Devil, not people of African decent.

@VVayVVard Ай бұрын

I believe that one is a reference to the bubonic plague. Historically, those infected by the plague would develop black spots on their skins, hence why it was also known as the "Black Death". In the game, those touched by the chaser join their side, representing the spread of the infection.

@emma_nutella58 9 ай бұрын

Classic Dutch moment

@okname5335 9 ай бұрын

people really out here thinking racism is an american invention

@victoriazero8869 9 ай бұрын

It is not. Racism is everywhere but America made other people's issue as if their own without nuances and context.

@jobreau1725 9 ай бұрын

American din’t invited racism, but they sure are the most butt hurt about it.

@badart3204 9 ай бұрын

@@jobreau1725idk South Africa still is having race riots periodically so they are probably the most butthurt.

@bookboy6924 9 ай бұрын

@@jobreau1725 Same with slavery, Egyptians used slaves, ottoman empire, pretty sure china still does, but not even limited to large empires. Groups of Viking raiders would take English slaves to sell as farm hands etc and vice versa. and that doesn't even scratch the surface. No one should apologise for slavery unless they have actually partook in it. After-all every race and nation has been victims of slavery at some point.

@Dan_Kanerva 9 ай бұрын

people really out here thinking EVERY COUNTRY on the world follows the same racist connotations

@pvtpy1e 9 ай бұрын

Connor should have rain explain Dutch birthdays. From what i heard its like the airing of grievances in festivis.

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

Whut? Am Dutch but never heard of that. We just chat and hang out as normal.

@YaboiSpexy 9 ай бұрын

My best friend of 10 years is from the Netherlands, and when they told me about this holiday, my reaction was pretty similar to Connor's. Like I was fucking flabbergasted to know that the Dutch basically thought it was fucking normal.

@Spiritwonder420 9 ай бұрын

It is you foreigners are wrong and can frick off

@sockpuppermcgee7920 9 ай бұрын

Yep that's antiquated for you. It was normal back then. No one batted an eye.

@YaboiSpexy 9 ай бұрын

@@sockpuppermcgee7920 yeah they told me. I still couldn't believe it. Especially since they're part Asian so they were also victims of some racial bullshit.

@JustSomeoneRandom1324 9 ай бұрын

@@sockpuppermcgee7920back then? Stop making me feel old please.

@DonHaka 9 ай бұрын

yeah well the dutch had zoos with africans in them in the 1950s.

@gamerboy7962 9 ай бұрын

Mouse watching this like: "CONNOR!!!"

@RemizZ 9 ай бұрын

Comments you can hear

@MJMolai55 9 ай бұрын

The music in the background makes this so much better LOL

@nothankyou82 9 ай бұрын

the music in the background really adds to this messed up conversation

@kuragedaisuki244 9 ай бұрын

I randomly woke up at 3am, couldn’t go back to sleep and randomly tuned in to see this. I have no regrets.

@In-The-Zone 9 ай бұрын

I saw the comments about Black Pete before seeing hearing it in the video and thought our resident good boi Pete ascended beyond golden Pete

@ImSaneee 9 ай бұрын

Black Petes the real OG

@tcrime 9 ай бұрын

Connor studied history at college but apparently has never heard of the Spanish Netherlands

@frankd5426 9 ай бұрын

thats probably because its mostly british centred and associated history usually at least all my history was

@EnhancedTrashBin 9 ай бұрын

Pretty sure he's only learned about the British History and any type of wars that happened with other countries.

@brotheriguana 9 ай бұрын

@@frankd5426not true at all, most history classes don’t focus on british history outside of capital punishment as it shows progression of law, they quite literally focus on medicine and foreign history of the world. I’m the same age as him and the vast majority of history taught has nothing to do with britain..

@kelakogreenaddict1888 9 ай бұрын

@@brotheriguana does it not depend on what modules were present and available at his uni? do humanities courses even have obligatory modules?

@brotheriguana 9 ай бұрын

@@kelakogreenaddict1888 regulatory bodies decided curriculum and examination specs, you aren’t taught these things at UNI, you’re shown these from ages 11-16 long before going to any college or university which you personally choose when attending. For these ages those historical topics were taught across pretty much all schools in the UK, my brothers over a decade younger and still was shown the exact same topics throughout his school life and we went to different schools in different counties so it’s pretty much a consistent format.

@Kevin-ox7zp 9 ай бұрын

As a christian from Indonesia (which was a dutch colony), the black pete and putting bad kid in a bag thing really do exist during christmas in my childhood here. Ironically, we celebrate it even though our people skin is black. Tbh I don't even know the reason why we celebrate it in the first place here and I don't think it's racist in anyway since the people celebrating it here has an originally black skin😂.

@MK-zl7hj 9 ай бұрын

I mean, for the same reason your country has christianism, colonialism

@Waka_Zumi 9 ай бұрын

Naahh doesn't make it right but if most Indonesia people don't mind ig it's ok for now

@deadman20023 9 ай бұрын

I guess its okay until you paint yourself black 😂

@kabob21 9 ай бұрын

Since when have Indonesian people had black skin? Most of y’all aren’t even brown

@comradeofthebalance3147 9 ай бұрын

Due to a cultural ignorance. Celebrating it doesnt make it right. Just like how collaborators during the Japanese occupation of Indonesia specifically on Jawa make them somehow better when Sumatra suffered.

@Zeitgeist6 9 ай бұрын

To be fair a lot of black people in the Netherlands still support the Black Pete (Zwarte Piet) character. I had an old coworker (black guy from Suriname) get really angry at white Dutch people once protesting the Black Pete thing. Said they were ruining his kid's holiday. In a nutshell the lore is: Sinterklaas (Catholic bishop which is what Santa is based on) freed Morish slaves, and they were thankful to him. They help him each year to bring presents to good Dutch kids. They come down from Spain in a steamship filled with presents. Sinterklaas has a white horse and he and the Black Petes go down chimneys to leave presents (you leave a carrot and sugarcubes for the horse) in kids' shoes. Like Santa, Sinterklaas has a book which lists the good and bad kids. Bad kids get spanked with reeds by the Black Petes and get stuffed in a bag and taken back to Spain. There's a whole real life back story to it as Sinterklaas himself is based on the Saint Nicholas (Bishop of Myra) who freed a bunch of girls who were being forced into prostitution. Also fun fact. (Fictional) Sinterklaas used to have a different helper before the Black Pete thing, namely the Krampus which as some may know was a demon who basically was the anti-Sinterklaas and used to take bad kids to Hell.

@geeguy7429 9 ай бұрын

That's genuinely very interesting

@animdalf9178 9 ай бұрын

We have basically the same holiday in Czechia. People dress up as St. Nicholas (=Mikuláš), Angel and Chort(=čert) and go around visiting children. Čert can scare bad kids, saying he'll shove them in a bag and take them to hell, but Mikuláš stops him and Angel gives them some candy afterwards. Meanwhile adults around are having a great time and some kids get so scared they pee themselves, great fun for the whole family! Chort / Čert is kind of a demonlike spirit, servant of the devil. I think it's a combination of devil and some old pagan slavic trickster god / spirit? He is also usually played by a guy with a black paint on his face (charcoal dust traditionally, not meant to be a race thing obviously), black clothes / furs, horns and a tail. Sounds very much like your Krampus. Anyway this has to have the same origins obviously, I just wonder why you eventually chose to switch the cool mischievous hell spirit for a black guy that takes people to Spain instead of Hell though ... those hundred years fighting the spanish in 16th / 17th century must have really scarred your people 😂

@Zeitgeist6 9 ай бұрын

I guess Morish ex slaves were less scary than a devil :) @@animdalf9178

@Gamemaster-64 9 ай бұрын

Of course its the whites that protest.

@armorkny 7 ай бұрын

wtf that story doesn't sound racist at all

@Anomicofficial 9 ай бұрын

Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition 😂 GEKOLONISEERD

@Bluebyza 9 ай бұрын

The spain thing is stemming from the Dutch war of independence from hasburgs' Spain in the XVI-XVII century. That's also why the Duke of Alba is seen as a spooky / evil monster-dude there.

@Bluebyza 9 ай бұрын

Don't hate us now we live of tourism please we have salmorejo

@BulletBill64 9 ай бұрын

It's possible but I think it's more likely Spain relates to the story of Zwarte Piet beeing a freed Moorish slave, hence being from Spain. Seeing as Belgium's Sinterklaas lives there as well, it makes more sense rather than it being a Dutch war of independence thing.

@CT5555_ 9 ай бұрын

That was a wild journey.

@azzazelynn988 9 ай бұрын

Hearing that even the _candy_ was in blackface fucking BROKE me 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@bored_person 9 ай бұрын

The music matches perfectly

@thabaka5570 9 ай бұрын

I just seen recently that episode of ATLANTA that showed this holiday. It was wildly hilarious with a "mistaken" identity scene. 😂

@foresightnetwork7841 6 ай бұрын

Why does the music fit so perfectly. 😅

@JackDespero 9 ай бұрын

In Spain, during holy week, we have to remind tourist that this predates the KKK by centuries and that it was the KKK which copied the aesthetic and imagery. I remember the meme of the photo "Not KKK, Spanish holiday!" in a window selling figurines of Nazarenes.

@target_667 9 ай бұрын

I hate how there are people who difend it and insist its not racist. Its racist. And now with roet piet is de blackface part not needed anymore

@kellyjohnson4452 9 ай бұрын

Grew up in the Netherlands. This was my Christmas every year and then we'd go to America to visit my grandmother and did second Christmas 😂

@Emulleator 9 ай бұрын

I remember having a nativity play where I played one of the three wise men in full black face as a little child

@owenparris7490 9 ай бұрын

I learned about Black Peter from the Office, it was WILD!

@Taijifufu 9 ай бұрын

🎶 "Know your ruuules. You've got to know your ruules. If yooou don't. You'll be eaten in your sleep.🎶

@LuukBrouwers-ek7tp 17 күн бұрын

Sinterklaas in a germanic tradition. Its mostly celebrated in the netherlands, but also some part of germany and belgium. It indeed has some old relations with racisme. All do in later years their been a out cry and the tradition of black face has been changed to just small black smuts.

@LuukBrouwers-ek7tp 17 күн бұрын

Also santa claus started out as a new american version of sinterklaas. But grew to a global scale mainly thanks to coca cola

@golagiswatchingyou2966 5 ай бұрын

I love how non dutch people make this a big issue when most people in the Netherlands struggle to see the issue and find the ''outrage'' to be rather silly and how both the government and the UN are seen as discriminating against a traditional holiday celibrated for pretty much centuries. it does make me sad how we are forced to adapt to other people's interpretation of something of which they have nothing to do with it.

@Devil935 9 ай бұрын

Lore wise its quite interesting how it evolved over time, the fact it has connection to Norse mythology is pretty cool

@darzinth 9 ай бұрын

So unhinged lol. It just keeps getting worse/better.

@brreakfastYT 9 ай бұрын

I've heard they have black pete in switzeland as well

@TechEreb 9 ай бұрын

I fucking love the Netherlands 😂😂That holiday is wild!

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

It used to be more wild. Saint Nick used to come around with a literal demon called Krampus. And if you think "Hey isn't that just Christmas?" yeah, Santa Claus is based on Sinterklaas. Hence the similar name.

@TechEreb 9 ай бұрын

@@ChrisMorray 😂😂 "What did you get for Christmas?".... "Cursed ;-;". I love the Netherlands 😂😂 I don't think they should have got cancelled.

@kaischreurs2488 9 ай бұрын

I love how one of the chatmessages at 1:47 is "probably weed"

@shadowhunterrx 9 ай бұрын

From the outside this holiday can look very racist. But it's not much different then Christmass. Instead of Santa it's Sinterklaas and the elves are Pete's. Pete's are kids best friends.

@HentsSauce 9 ай бұрын

Americans or their wokie counterparts won't care lmao their motto is "if it looks racist, its racist".

@frankd5426 9 ай бұрын

because zwarte piet comes from a time when the spanish ruled over the netherlands. its was never racism, if anything you could argue inclusivity just as easily. just taken out of historical context and now used to bang the racism drum as it was the dutch moving to america and gave the christian world most of what we call xmas today even the name sinterklaas.....does that not sound familiar?

@autohmae 9 ай бұрын

I would say they share the same origin from Germany. It's not like without Sinterklaas their would be no Santa Claus

@axelx9 9 ай бұрын

Learned about Black Peter in my high school german class; very....interesting

@UltimaKeyMaster 9 ай бұрын

Is it really that bad, lemme look it- *OH MY GOODNESS.*

@adarkwind4712 9 ай бұрын

0:44 pictures moments before disaster.

@TechGuru666 9 ай бұрын

I read the holidays story...and its really not bad actually

@FunkleSauce 9 ай бұрын

Blackface Rainhoe is real.

@cadneemountai2791 9 ай бұрын

When was this stream I wanna watch the vod

@saukko8492 9 ай бұрын

I thought he knew this... bless his soul

@harold2718 9 ай бұрын

He didn't know

@pottersdog 9 ай бұрын

Never knew she had that sorta herritage or that the dutch had that sorta history!

@GrimOakheart 9 ай бұрын

Don't forget to ask us to sing you happy birthday in every language...

@kingespada17 9 ай бұрын

Yeah it be like that lol.

@yurichtube1162 6 ай бұрын

Black pete is meant to be krampus, actually

@LupineShadowOmega 9 ай бұрын

Connor...I've never heard of this Black Pete fellow... XD

@johnmartinez-valentin5427 9 ай бұрын

Sweet Jesus

@mstart_t8975 9 ай бұрын

I just learned Racist food exist😮

@johncook158 9 ай бұрын

Welsh man learns about Black Peter?

@zigado5416 9 ай бұрын

Ah black pete

@bobbysworld281995 9 ай бұрын

Europeans when blackface: 🤣 Europeans when Roma: 🤮🤬

@kiritomato4506 6 ай бұрын

Well- atleast they don’t dress up as a Ghost with a Horse skull every year and start Welsh rapping.

@unai49999 9 ай бұрын

Spain was in war with netherlands at some point. My guess on why the send the kids to spain.

@maartenvandenberge7116 9 ай бұрын

the funniest part is that its in celebratian of a christian saint of turkish background that would liberate slaves, and the to spain thing is because we are a former spanish colony

@iinred1954 3 ай бұрын

So many cowards today.

@BxBxProductions 9 ай бұрын

BASED

@lastnamefirstname8655 9 ай бұрын

i need to know more.

@sublimetech 9 ай бұрын

If you take it with all nuances and context, its not THAT bad...

@johnmartinez-valentin5427 9 ай бұрын

Oh wow

@4P0CA1YP5E 9 ай бұрын

Spain without the S

@MilkieMouse 9 ай бұрын

Ahh, Sinterklaas. I've got Dutch heritage, I'm plenty familiar with it. Of course we just put reindeer food in our shoes to get candy the next morning left by Sinterklaas. None of that racist crap lol.

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

It hasn't been racist for decades if not centuries but sure.

@MilkieMouse 9 ай бұрын

@@ChrisMorray I'm just saying! When my parents taught me about the holiday - we didn't really entertain the idea of celebrating it until I was around 12 or 13 as far as I know because we didn't live in the Netherlands, we lived in Canada. My grandparents must have given my parents flak or something - they HAD to bring up the racist past. Because most people are only gonna know that about the holiday, so talking about it might have made people ask me questions I wouldn't have been prepared for otherwise. My parents made sure I knew about it AND that it wasn't that way anymore. It was important for me to know so I could address it if I ever discussed it with anyone else, which I did. Honestly, most people find it absolutely outrageous and ridiculous, which it was. Evidently, the Dutch... eventually agreed! So whenever I hear about people learning all that for the first time, I try to explain it as someone who actually knows what the whole thing is about, rather than just going nuts over how horrendous it used to be. I mean I doubt most people outside of the Dutch even know about the shoe thing lol.

@RiceFieldsYT 9 ай бұрын

The bgm of the game doesn't help either, which makes this 10 times more fucked up and more funny.

@yanakipang 7 ай бұрын

Most of the fairer skin parent in old time use to scared or threathen their kid to behave or darker skin people will come get you.

@ifu138 15 күн бұрын

modern netherlands is so pozzed an exmuslim woman had to flee it because they tried to prosecute her for criticizing islam lmao

@datafoxy 9 ай бұрын

1:48 Colonialism?

@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu 9 ай бұрын

This is what i found on google "At the time “Black Peter” was a euphemism for the devil, and it was thought that St. Nicholas, being a representative of God, had beaten the devil and made him his servant. Thus it fell to Black Peter to hand out the punishments, while St. Nicholas dealt with the more pleasant sides of Christmas." Yeah that is a super yikes.

@autohmae 9 ай бұрын

See the comment by Zeitgeist6, gives a more modern take on it.

@Conartist666 9 ай бұрын

I mean thats basically the same role as Krampus, Knecht Ruprecht and Belsnickel play. ...the dutch just went a bit wild with it

@KVenturi 9 ай бұрын

If you're not Dutch, this is a certified monkaLaugh moment

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

If you are Dutch, it's also pretty funny. So many people getting upset at blackface, even though that originated later, on the other side of the northern hemisphere, with darker intentions.

@target_667 9 ай бұрын

@@ChrisMorrayjust do roet piet the blackface part is unesesary and it fiets more with his story

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

@@target_667 Why do you take issue with blackface? Can you explain to me what the actual problem is?

@autohmae 9 ай бұрын

Let's remember Santa Claus and Sinterklaas are based in the same origin. The history is actually kind of murky, as far as I understand experts don't really agree, but the modern story/excuse was: these are freed slaves. So that makes it OK, right ? They are happy, it's a happy holiday. The tradition goes back further than blackface in the US and has no relationship to it, so it didn't have the same intentions/origin. My guess is lots of people aren't willing to accept that the holiday they loved as kids is somehow racist. Because as kids they were 'colorblind' to the problematic imagery. So it caused a lot of resentment.

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

It sure did. My uncle runs a service to have Sinterklaas and Pete show up at your door. For years he has gotten the question "Your Petes are still black, right?". To this day I still don't get the inherent issue with blackface, or why it should be changed so universally. I get that in some place at the other side of the planet it was used for a bad purpose, but so are kitchen knives and we're not cancelling those either.

@LewisChristisonVids 9 ай бұрын

A Black Pete story?

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

As a Dutch guy: It's definitely rooted in our history (it's bad, don't look) but Black Pete was the fun character that gave candy. As far as Blackface goes, it's about as harmless as it gets.

@notaspeck6104 9 ай бұрын

… not a great excuse. I don’t think anyone’s saying you shouldn’t be proud of your Dutch ancestors, just maybe not the parts involving racism because like it or not considering a countries colonial last blackface is racist and not ‘harmless’.

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

@@notaspeck6104 Nobody is proud of the racism. But this case of blackface is not racist. It hasn't been in decades. And it is, in fact, harmless. Who is harmed by a white person putting on some facepaint to hand out candy? Absolutely nobody. And excuses are for bad things. There is no bad thing in this tradition anymore.

@li_tsz_fung 9 ай бұрын

@@notaspeck6104 What exactly is racist about blackface? I thought it became a taboo because white american used to cast black people in shows and doing stuff that make black people look bad. If some how a culture clap their hands before murdering people, does it make clapping hands a taboo elsewhere?

@singami465 9 ай бұрын

@@notaspeck6104 Okay imperialist. Not every place in the world has to adhere to American sensibilities.

@derpderp6850 9 ай бұрын

sensibilities of not celebrating racist traditions? lol@@singami465

@brreakfastYT 9 ай бұрын

huh. maybe i should move to holland

@carlosalbertogarciajimenez5879 9 ай бұрын

Wow people could just Google the story of Black Pete but no let's just rage and never look for answer. And just in case I'm black before you anyone try to pull any bullshit.

@NoMouthNoScream 9 ай бұрын

I respect the Netherlands even more now!

@elvendragonhammer5433 9 ай бұрын

Never heard of that, kinda surprised it was around so long. That said, look @ all the "blackface" stuff that came out in the US a few years back- it ain't any better.

@martijnkoning3354 9 ай бұрын

Wait, she's dutch?

@autohmae 9 ай бұрын

Yes, rain is Dutch, it's in her name, lots of rain ;-)

@sanuku535 9 ай бұрын

Meh, just an old tradition, it isn't anything racist. Meh. Really, we don't have real issues on our hands. ye

@maniv100 9 ай бұрын

btw the ship came from spain cause spain was a main port for the slave trade. for those who didn't know.

@Niaeruzu 9 ай бұрын

It's always so fucking funny seeing these reactions. I grew up with the holiday so hey, it feels normal, and the modern version (even before changes) isn't nearly as racist as it sounds, but with even a little bit of scrutiny... yeah it's almost stupendously racist. Details for those interested: When I was a child (20+ years ago) said blackface was always explained as 'oh they go down the chimney to give you presents but because they do it so often they don't wash their face because why bother ha ha'. And as a child you're like 'absolutely makes sense got it'. The character (actually multiple but let's not get into that) was already changing to be much more rounded: an all round nice guy who loves kids and gives out free candy, crazy good at acrobatics and generally considered (by kids) to be a positive role model. Just in blackface. A couple of years ago they changed the character where you could freely choose which colour to make his face, which was... Not received very well. Not necessarily because 'muh tradition', but also because it didn't feel coherent nor did it feel really appropriate? I mean it's for kids and they don't really care, but you could tell something was kinda off about it. Then I think last year or two years ago? The makeup was changed to just be streaks of soot. Dunno about Dutch society in general because I'm an asocial shut-in but I thought it was generally well-received, only some old purists grumble about it. So yeah that's Sinterklaas and Zwarte Piet. If you go further into the holiday's history it's even more racist, but that stuff is very clearly a product of its time. The story was later stolen by American capitalists to make Santa Claus.

@zorropotatz 9 ай бұрын

the holiday itself was great if you ignored the blackface, now they don't give out candy anymore

@the98themperoroftheholybri33 9 ай бұрын

It's not a depiction of a black person though, it's a mythical figure, it's not racist

@HentsSauce 9 ай бұрын

@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 What do you expect from retards? Americans think they have the right to change other country's holidays since they're so better than everyone.

@piotrjeske4599 9 ай бұрын

What is wrong about black Peter?

@autohmae 9 ай бұрын

The consider it black face in the US, which is a big no no. Also in 2013 some people from the Netherlands made an official complaint at the UN human rights department/whatever and they said: the Netherlands should really have a national debate on how to change their holiday or clear up why it's not wrong.

@mihalious 9 ай бұрын

Some white people in Murica somehow have to say which culture is good and which is bad, and which holidays you allowed to celebrate. It's fine. Probably.

@martijnkoning3354 9 ай бұрын

@mihalious nah its based in racism, especially when u see yo old/original cartoons about it. Yes I'm dutch not a random murican

@autohmae 9 ай бұрын

@@martijnkoning3354 I wonder if those were widespread and what the general consensus was in each time period. The modern euh... story is they are freed slaves.

@martijnkoning3354 9 ай бұрын

@autohmae don't get it skewed. The story is based on Saint Nicolas, the original story is about freed slaves. What they did to it early in the 80s or whenever it started was pure racism. To black Pete fans hide behind the original story of it being freed slaves, then when u mention its blackface, proceed to say that its the dust from chimneys. Cant pick both. But I bet you still haven't looked up what the original prints about black Pete looked like, so do that first before you start blabbering

@geeguy7429 9 ай бұрын

As an american all i can say is that this looks insane

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

They're just people handing out free gifts and candy. Whatever reason you may have to think "how dare they do blackface" originated from the US, the literal other side of the planet. This tradition has not been an expression of hate for decades if not centuries. It's been one of kind-hearted charity, featuring an immortal saint who decided to remember the name of every Dutch person, his helpers who hand out candy, and a magic horse that walks on rooftops.

@ayshanotaisha5054 9 ай бұрын

@@ChrisMorrayyikes...

@ChrisMorray 9 ай бұрын

@@ayshanotaisha5054 What's the yikes? Just because some Americans in the US were dicks in the 1800s doesn't mean we should all refrain from performing harmless traditions globally. I know Americans like to think that they're the beacons of civilization that all other countries should strive to be, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

@ayshanotaisha5054 9 ай бұрын

@ChrisMorray @ChrisMorray doesn't it still have racist origins? Yes.... America's weren't the only ones who were dicks. America still has offensive traditions that I don't agree with. At this point, it's not about "America wanting to be the center of the universe." A lot of Europeans are unwilling to change this tradition because that would mean acknowledging that what others are saying is true... They “need” black pete because they need to put black people down. They react to increased diversity by slinging disparaging stereotypes and humiliating other races. This would mean that the Dutch, consciously or unconsciously, are fundamentally racist.

@derpderp6850 9 ай бұрын

Obviously you have no idea how big of a part the dutch had in the slave trade@@ChrisMorray

@7ylerD 9 ай бұрын

Bruh, they were the Dutch. *THE* Dutch! Like, the slave-trading ones. How did he not see this coming, lol?

@jeremygeller9145 9 ай бұрын

................should someone tell cdawg about belgian congo?

@jeremygeller9145 9 ай бұрын

i know they arent the same but they are pretty close

@bobbuilder2039 9 ай бұрын

@@jeremygeller9145 wym pretty close... One is a group of people putting black makeup on and acting stupid the other is a full on mass homicide

@jeremygeller9145 9 ай бұрын

@@bobbuilder2039 I mean Belgium and the Netherlands

@deaks25 9 ай бұрын

Someone in chat put "They were on colonialism" and I died!!! 🤣

@carton5235 9 ай бұрын

As someone who is part dutch, I can confirm everyone from the netherlands is fucking nuts, I know this because I've met my mothers side of the family.

@ManiX207 9 ай бұрын

wait rain is from the netherlands - well fuck guess i really need to get starting dateing dutch people O_o unfortuantly they mostly dislike germans -- but good music, wonderful scenery, curte cities (not amsterdam amsterdams sucks even though it has beautiful areas) - damn i really should get my selfa home in utrecht