Ram 2500 Power Wagon and Ford F250 | Locking Differential vs Limited Slip Differential Explained

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7 ай бұрын

I review the Ford f250 super duty with the 7.3L Godzilla engine and my own Ram 2500 Power Wagon and explained the differences between a fully Locking differencial and a Limited Slip Differential. I go over which differential set up is best for off-road 4x4 use and which differential is best for on road use.
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I thought I would continue this off-road series by explaining firstly why I love the rear end in the power wagon because it comes with both a limited slip rear differential and a fully locking rear end all in one.
I go on to explained some major advantages and disadvantages of both the locking differential and the limited slip differential and like most things it comes down to what your application needs are.
if you are using the truck more for on road use a good limited slip differential will work wonders. but if you think your going to be more off-road and may need that extra traction and performance a locking differential is a much better option.
I love how Ford an had the e-locker option in their truck for a long time and it seems like almost every 4x4 comes with a locking rear end it makes a huge difference.
but when living in a snowy climate like CANADA often times having a limited slip diff is more advantagous because you can use it on the road almost all the time and get traction very quickly something you can't really do with a locker.
a locker is great for deep off-roading but for day to day use a limited slip diff is much more useful in my humble opinion.
Hope you guys liked the video!

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@jayamoroso5870 7 ай бұрын

In my experience with the AAM limited slip axle, when one wheel is fully suspended, drag the service brakes while gently accelerating will get it to "lock" up.

@jamesm2464 7 ай бұрын

The nice thing with the E-locker in the Ford is it uses an electro-magnetic assembly with pins that lock it together. There is no wear or maintenance as with a limited slip that generally stops working with age. It also automatically shuts off anything faster than 25 mph.

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

I honestly really like that ford has an e-locker option and most trucks have it. It's a great feature. But the beauty of a helical or torsen style LSD is that they don't wear. Well I shouldn't say there no wear as all components wear but there are no clutch packs to go bad.

@fscottgray9784 7 ай бұрын

I agree with your thinking on limited slip vs. lockers. I remember for years the GM G80 rear limited slip was my favorite because it would eventually lock itself up and provide a true locked rear end as long as you kept power to it. Now with all the elockers on the market the old G80 is looked down on. I love the way my power wagon axles work giving the best of all worlds.

@EGGINFOOLS 7 ай бұрын

G80 has never been limited slip. Its a locker

@johnossendorf9979 7 ай бұрын

After having a 2wd pickup that i installed a Lock-Right automatic locker in, I'm a big fan of auto lockers in the rear axel. You just can't let other people drive it when it's slippery. A little to much go pedal in a low traction corner and side ways you go. With weight in the bed and snow tires it was a 2wd beast in the snow. We used to go out in the worst blizzards in north eastern New York State to climb the steepest dirt and paved roads we could find. Nearly all ways made to the top too. Rinse and repeat for mud season.

@dt9094 7 ай бұрын

As ram owner, your neighbour too the west, I appreciate all the time and effort you put into your videos. Thank you. Merry Christmas

@Sl4ck3r84 7 ай бұрын

Insightful video, appreciate it! A video on your thoughts on front diffs, as well as benefits and drawbacks when towing with the different differentials would be appreciated. Good stuff, as always.

@lightspeedgallery 7 ай бұрын

Just got a new 23 PW and love it. It’s like a private jet on a road trip.! ❤ great channel my man . Cheers

@LindsayPeters987 7 ай бұрын

Every time I think I know all there is to know about trucks, you teach me something new in your videos. Great content 👍

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Well thank you

@roynichols5212 7 ай бұрын

I have had many trucks with lockers in the rear. The major downside to full lockers, as in say a Detroit, is that in snow or ice the whole rear end can break loose. If you are in four wheel drive, with the front tires pulling also, it will generally keep you straight even if your back tires break loose. It takes a little getting used to. But having a LSD with a locking option is very cool.

@Mattman2500 7 ай бұрын

I have a 2022 Ram with the 4:10 limited slip axles. I drove in mud and snow a lot, especially during hunting season. So far so good here. I do turn traction control off. Whenever I use 4x4 off road.

@joshc5512 7 ай бұрын

Love the PW, but the payload rating is disappointing for a 2500 truck... been in an F250 (in Tahoe on snowy/icy grades) and the traction control does quite well limiting the open diff from slipping too much. Once it finally does, then just engage the elocker when more traction is needed.

@billjamison2877 7 ай бұрын

Great information Alex and a Great video. I have a similar set-up on my Rebel and love it. Never been stuck!

@rickf5615 6 ай бұрын

Just came across your videos and found this one interesting. I am a lifelong offroader and a 50 plus year ASE master mechanic. I have a 1998 Ram 3500 2 wheel drive dually with the factory limited slip clutch pack setup and I have to say that as tight as they are they are real close to lockers. I have seldom ever had one wheel spin and a little brake application solved that problem. Now, as far as lockers the one thing you did not mention was automatic lockers like the Detroit or lunchbox lockers like the Lockrites that only lock when one wheel loses traction. Granted, these can have some interesting handling characteristics but once you get used to them they work flawlessly. Although if you have a heavy foot around corners you will wear out rear tires since with the automatic lockers no wheel can spin slower than the ring gear, so pushing it through a turn it will lock and spin the inner tire at the same speed as the outer.

@Ghidorah00 2 ай бұрын

Man, that power wagon is a beautiful truck. I have a 2022 backcountry in the same color. Love your work. Cheers from Michigan

@InvertedAerials 7 ай бұрын

Best video with full disclosure! That is why I follow the channel!

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Appreciate it! I love talking about this stuff

@philisledbetter4412 Ай бұрын

I know nothing literally but watching your videos has taught me a lot about my 2024 Power Wagon. I had a short moment to use the 4H in high wind and rain yesterday. It didn’t last long. I don’t know why I don’t have Auto. Is my 4H the same as auto? I think watching your videos, they aren’t the same. I leave it in 2WD for Houston weather of course. But I need to keep watching your videos and other to learn what the difference in 4 Auto and 4H.

@kendavis1198 7 ай бұрын

FINALLY, Someone Answered a Question I've been asking here on KZfaq for a While. My 2022 F-150 Has a Locking Diff, Without going out and doing a Burn Out out front, I wasn't sure if it was an "OPEN" Diff (without) Being Locked. Thanks for that. I kind wish I had a POSI, but this truck Wasn't built with that Option, so I got the Locking Diff. Good Information here.

@XRakkgruntX 6 ай бұрын

It’ll break them Both loose, open diffs are much safer decelerating in icy conditions than posi’s.

@patriot8087 3 ай бұрын

Love the content on your channel. Thanks.

@M.G.jun. 7 ай бұрын

Hello Mr Getty, a very interesting video. This is my first time on your channel. I see that you often deal with such technical things. I like it. Personally, I drive a Grand Cherokee WH/WK from 2008 with Quattra Drive II. It has ELSD on the front and rear axles. The center differential is 100% locked in 4 Low. Supposedly supposed to be a great all-wheel drive system. I can only confirm. Up to 100% torque on one wheel.

@dalehunt1383 7 ай бұрын

All of my truck previously owned had limited slips, and I loved them. Grew up in the Chicago area. Live out west now and own a '22 F350 now with locker. Yet to see how I'll like it.

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

You'll probably like it. But that day to day on road performance in slippery conditons may suffer a little

@mgenelambert4495 7 ай бұрын

I think the power wagon is best of the best off rd 2500 ! I watched your videos and had to go get one. 2023 diamond black crystal pearl paint job. Level 2 and absolutely love it ! I'm still learning the truck and all the things and has and can do so your videos are very helpful. Ty

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Beautiful color! I love the dark power wagons. And Yes these trucks are just incredible.

@patriot5526 7 ай бұрын

What’s important here is your intended use of the truck. If you want to be a hardcore off-roader, the Power Wagon is limited by it’s size. It’s unstoppable except on narrow trails. I use my Power Wagon more as a work truck. We’re operate a ranch in Montana, and when you need to haul hay or equipment a across muddy, snowy fields, or steep winding muddy roads, the Power Wagon with both axles locked has been the only truck we have found that can get the job done. It has never failed us yet.

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Bingo, as strictly an off-roader the PW is not great for smaller trails but in terms of doing truck stuff in muddy or snowy conditions the PW is unmatched

@jasoncheeseman8154 7 ай бұрын

Great video.. love the colour of your truck!

@triedandtrue1820 7 ай бұрын

My comment is when i been driving on icy roads with older ford limited slip it was scary because both wheels spin,,, and lose control. Now prefer 4wd open difs on slipery icy, because one tire is planted in front and back, way more predictable. Lockers for mud or incline, not ice! Good canadian content !

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Haha I know exactly what you mean!! A open diff as frustrating as it is in the snow from a dead stop but at speed when spinning an open diff wont let the whole back end out. A LSD when spinning will let that back end step right out and can be a little dangerous

@hitempguy 7 ай бұрын

Electronic locker in my F150 made 2wd better than a 4x4 chevy with open diffs With the F150 in 4x4 with the rear locked? Unstoppable. I specifically remember backing up a flat deck with a Subaru on it in an unplowed 2ft of snow cul-de-sac no problem

@Polack-ml9fh 7 ай бұрын

I have a new 2023 F350 and agree with everything you said except I’d rather just have a true locker in the rear like a Detroit. All my rigs I’ve always put a Detroit in the rear. It’s simple, you never have to think about anything, no flipping switches on and off, it’s just ready all the time.

@thatdonnyguy 7 ай бұрын

Gear driven LSDs are awesome when combined with traction control. Lockers are better for gnarly off road situations, but I had a Tacoma with a Truetrac in the rear and it was a decent off road rig.

@brentmcmahon8188 6 ай бұрын

Josh it’s a off road truck with soft suspension to have more axel movement so with special shocks and springs to keep you tires on the ground and it might have sway bars that you can disconnect to improve on axel articulation who’s is what you want big stiff springs would have wheel off the ground. I use to have a 1969 Farm and Ranch Special Ford and I took the 3/4 springs apart and would take leaf’s out to get the best traction and ride .

@PietschFarms 7 ай бұрын

All my gm trucks have had g80s and they’ve been great. Had 6 gm trucks with G80s and I’ve blown 2 of them in the higher miles. New G80s went back in. Everyone hates on em, but nothing lasts forever especially if you aren’t using them for what intended like burnouts and donuts. G80s kick ass on a plow truck too they will get you out of a bind most of the time. It’s nice not having it locked when you don’t necessarily need it but when you do need it it automatically locks up. No need to stop and engage an e locker. Pros and cons to both but just my expirence.

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

I had a G80 in my 96 k1500 Z71. Absolutely LOVED IT. Guys hate on it but they do work very well in the snow. I was going to mention it in this video but I didn't want to confuse anyone by throwing in an "auto locking, locking diff" lol either way they provide way more traction then a LSD. The only part I don't like is that you can't really control when they lock up like you can with an E-locker

@angrybeavers1175 7 ай бұрын

You don't have to stop to engage the e locker

@EGGINFOOLS 7 ай бұрын

@@angrybeavers1175On some vehicles you cant lock them unless in 4lo. Sucks

@rdsii64 6 ай бұрын

An Auburn select-a-lock comes in two models. One of them is an LSD that locks on command. When I save the money, both ends of my F150 4x4 are going to get one.

@agerardomp 7 ай бұрын

Greetings Alex. The very powerful RAM WAGON is a true war truck. I consider it the best! Thank's by to share your videos and comments, because I learn. Big HUG from CDMX, México.

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Thank you sir!! And yes these trucks are awesome

@alexwbakker 7 ай бұрын

I kinda feel like the quest for full lockers is driven by better traction control. I agree a LSD is nicer in snow, which is way more the use case for HD trucks in 4wd than rock crawling. Truck can never defeat wheelbase/breakover issues off road anyway (and I have a Tundra that I converted to LSD)

@harrirauhanummi 5 ай бұрын

My Classic Warlock build sheet says anti spin differential. Is it same as LSD or how is it different? Great work explaining these things by the way 👍

@davidmalan9838 7 ай бұрын

Good video and explanation,thx. 👍

@josephpuchel6497 7 ай бұрын

Hey loved my 2019 Ram 2500 with limited slip. Unfortunately totaled and ended up purchasing a late 2022 F250 6.2 with ELock I miss my Ram way better looking in my opinion. I have had all types of posi units. The ELocker is very nice otherwise limited slip suit me fine.

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with the ford E-locker! Great option to have!

@brentmcmahon8188 7 ай бұрын

Your a 100 % right on it’s the best rear end out there ..

@nathanjohnson3668 7 ай бұрын

Love power wagon but need payload so ford is the way to go for me. Superduty with gas engine and camper in bed is a perfect combo and that full locker is super helpful over a limited slip imo. would love the PW but super duty with Carli suspension is beast and comfortable. My xl duty with upgrades is also likely cheaper than PW too.

@angrybeavers1175 7 ай бұрын

That's fine it will never have the full capability and flex of a power wagon

@DC-rl4rp 7 ай бұрын

I think the dual version of the power wagon differential is a great set up. I have concerns with my ‘21 75th edition however…just to much reliance on on these electronic actuators…more than once I get a notice “ perform locker service” and they will not engage…only to give up on going there without them(I’m not a rally guy, I’m a better safe than stuck guy), and then they engage fine in the driveway🤷‍♂️ if they made a tradesman with levers, LEDs and heated leather the world would be a better place

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Really ? I've never had that warning pop up. I guess that is the downside of electronically controlled lockers is the electronic side of things can be compromised.

@jasonfalk7696 7 ай бұрын

I own a 2020 Ram 1500 with the e locker. It works fantastic, until 25 mph, when it automatically disengages. Then, im stuck with a one wheel peel. Its especially frustrating when im pulling a trailer from a stop light, and the rear wheels spin, and the diff jumps out of being locked, and i have to out in 4 hi anyways. However, the half ton isn't available with both the limited slip and locker.

@glennirving3039 7 ай бұрын

Have you done a video on towing capabilities of the power wagon?

@greenwold38 7 ай бұрын

Do the mid 2000’s power wagons have the same limited slip and e-locker combo?

@userANAKIN 7 ай бұрын

Always thought the power wagon was cool until i had to go and rescue a friends 4 times. For the price you'd think it would be more capable, but it sure does look cool.

@RVMD95 7 ай бұрын

An empty pick up truck in the snow in 2 Wheel drive you want an open rear axle. Limited slip and locked axles in 2 Wheel. Drive equal axle hop and rear end fish tail. Very hard to control a 2 Wheel drive in snow with both rear wheels spinning. I’m a 55yr+ New England veteran. We have many 2 to 6in snow storms that make the roads super slippery. Having both rear wheels spinning in 2wd you’re taking your life in your own hands.

@DBravo29er 7 ай бұрын

LSD is also great for highway work because there is no top speed to them. You get the traction all the time. LSD's, with brake system TC, can basically turn into lockers.

@melanehme3661 7 ай бұрын

I also prefer a Torsen-style or -inspired LSDs. What degree is the slippage ... I know there are options.

@josipdolic6391 7 ай бұрын

That’s very nice truck you got

@cowthedestroyer 7 ай бұрын

I love having lsd in my 90. Its always there and you dont think about wheel placement in the winter if you get one on ice. If you ride the brakes a tad when you are stuck and in granny you are almost guaranteed to move. Well its 2wd so you you get screwed there

@michaelfrank6696 7 ай бұрын

I have an 2022 ram warlock with antispin rear diff what kind of diff is that

@toddjohnson4399 6 ай бұрын

Are you going to keep the power wagon or trade it on a renal 2500 w/the Cummins

@mooiman9 7 ай бұрын

Does my Ram 2500 rebel 2023 has the same rear axle as a power wagon?

@MSchumacherfan 7 ай бұрын

Doesn’t it have brake lock traction control?

@jimsmith5502 5 ай бұрын

Ok now you’ve had this truck for a couple of years, how’s been the reliability ?

@Eightball2516 7 ай бұрын

The question is Can you use the locker in 2wd most trucks You cannot I have a limited slip in my 2015 ram

@brentmcmahon8188 6 ай бұрын

Both how much does it cost from American Axel ?

@frederickdouglass7517 7 ай бұрын

The only things I despise about the E locker is its disabled above 25 MPH and forget about turning, its only good in a straight line unless you like the sound of grinding gears. Much preferred the ZF LSD in the Ram half ton. That being said the powertrains are much better in Ford trucks.

@billj503 7 ай бұрын

Does the PW have the same limited slip/elocker in the front? What tire size could the PW handle without worry of breaking? 38" 40"s 42"s no rock bouncing, but for forest roads and deep snow on roads and I am easy on the pedal.

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

No the front is fully locked or open. Would be really cool if the front was also a LSD. Iv seen guys running 37's with no issues. Good news is these are HD diffs and can take a beating

@billj503 7 ай бұрын

Are they similar to dana 60s or 14bolt@@TheGettyAdventures

@alrefaei82 7 ай бұрын

can you please talk about that oil spray under your truck in a sapret video

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

What would ya like to know ? Id rather replace rubber door seals and bushing then deal with rusted out panels. They say the undercoating from Krown (where I get mine done professionally) is very gentle on rubbers but who knows.

@daveallen7767 7 ай бұрын

For on-road long drives with occasional slippery conditions I'd rather have open diff. with locker available in rear. I've been on I-94 in the midwest & climbing a hill at 60 mpg have one rear wheel lose traction & notice RPM's rising, I back off the gas & never experience the rear end of truck kicking out as you would if have aggressive LS diff. At this point I'd engage 4WD & continue driving but slightly less speed. This was F150 without Auto 4WD.

@BrentNye 7 ай бұрын

Excellent point!

@jasonsadventures8709 7 ай бұрын

I rether the g80 any day over limited slip. To many times stuck waiting for limited slip to actually do something and having to stop to put truck in 4 wheel drive to get out. The g80 will allow a little bit of slip but will engage and get you out of tough situations with out stopping

@MELOMEOUT 7 ай бұрын

I have, owned since new, 2014 f150 supercrew fx4, 3.55 limited slip rear end with a factory locker. The factory locker was only available on fx4 and limited trim lines, and worked only up to 30kms and hrs. Ford has an extensive rear end choice options for all their trucks, it's just how you optioned it. Now, I have a new 2023 limited ram cummins 2500 crew short box, with snow cheif package, thank God the snow cheif package comes with anti slip rear end! How does ram sell a limited cummins without a limited slip rear end??? 🤯🤯🤯🤯 limited slip rear ends should be a safety standard, or at least a standard on higher trim models!!!

@DaManOnYoutube 7 ай бұрын

Can you review the toyota 4runner engine?

@ZombieSheeple 6 ай бұрын

Is the Ram anti spin same as a LSD.

@Wootangtw 6 ай бұрын

Thanks buddy

@duded2268 2 ай бұрын

I skipped through the video maybe I didn't catch it what kind of living is sleep did you once with clutch pads or ones with gears

@21psd 7 ай бұрын

Nice demo of how limited slip works. Could you do a similar video of the front differentials comparisons on these trucks? Thanks

@brentmcmahon8188 7 ай бұрын

With its locked the rear end wants to go to the lower part of the road with limited slip it won’t do that as easy and it’s there when you need it and hiway driving won’t wear it out at hiway speeds .

@309gti8 7 ай бұрын

My 2WD F-150 has a locking diff, which I think is super weird. I’m surprised they even allow you to spec a 2WD truck with a locker.

@peterkunka2694 7 ай бұрын

Wrong. Limited slip on a snowy road will act the same as a locker and both rear tires will spin and lose traction while fishtailing. You want an open diff in snow so one tire acts as an anchor holding the rear of the vehicle steady. The E-locker is perfect for selecting when more traction is needed (off-road, or moving a trailer around in slippery conditions). My take is limited slip differentials in the rear axle are unpredictable when they will engage. Being the driver, I'd rather know for certain dealing with an open differential, or an E-locked differential, knowing what each will do and when. For the record, I do like LSD in the front axle as a traction supplement to a rear locker, because the front LSD will be more gentle to CV's in independent front ends than a front locker would be. It's all about going forward and what works best. Cheers! Pete in Arizona - KI7LIL

@robinverpoorten690 5 ай бұрын

01:22 the excitement

@meathead585 7 ай бұрын

I do not understand the term: E lock. ? I do understand a torsen which has helical gears. I do understand a differential which has clutches.

@Steviethegr8 7 ай бұрын

I cannot stand that tinny squeak the 6.4 makes. 3min 7 seconds. Has anyone found a way to fix this? Up against a drivethru or in a garage like that they sound like something is broken

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Every single 6.4L I've heard runs like that. I have zero idea what it is but I very confident its normal lol 😆

@kuhndog-1196 7 ай бұрын

I love having the lsd in my 17 power wagon. Mine locks up quicker than yours though. There is almost no delay in mine. Maybe I'm lucky?

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

I think in that situation, there was such a big difference in traction, almost as similar to when the tire was completely in the air that it took a while and I had to get on the throttle. When both wheels are in snow or mud, they almost always spin together.

@kuhndog-1196 7 ай бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures got ya. That would make sense. I'll tell ya, I have never been in a situation where I felt worried about getting stuck in this truck.

@snakehead5444 7 ай бұрын

Anyone else has trouble engaging an e-locker? Been living in mammoth lakes and have had 2-3ft of snot fall overnight and not be able to get an fj cruiser rear locker to engage down my driveway when it’s covered renders it useless. No problem engaging when both rear tires turn at the same time for even a few feet

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Ya sometimes the diffs take a second to lock in. But usually pretty seemless

@MrJEEPJT 7 ай бұрын

What’s the “MAX-PAYLOAD” on the power wagon ???

@EGGINFOOLS 7 ай бұрын

Around 1100

@MrJEEPJT 7 ай бұрын

@@EGGINFOOLS “1,100” #’s ?? maximum payload on a 2500 power wagon ?? That’s what’s on the door tag 🏷️?? Not a very useful truck for commercial usage

@stevenpeterson7234 7 ай бұрын

I love the Power Wagons!! The only issue with them is the weight. I mean 7,000lbs. I love snow wheeling and the mud, you can do that with a PW!! They just get stuck!!

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Yes, they certainly weigh a ton. I found that out when driving a tacoma. It just floaded on top of the snow and PW sank lol she ain't perfect but certainly a capable truck

@stevenpeterson7234 7 ай бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures Yes totally agree!! Do a video on the 23 Nissan Titan pro-4x and let me know your thoughts please

@JROC734 7 ай бұрын

From my understanding only your bottom tier F150's (not 3/4 or 1 ton) don't use an eLSD. For example my 18 F150 has the label axle code # L6. On a F150 "L6" means I have an Electronically locking differential with 3.73 gears. Code #26 would mean I have a non-LSD rearend with 3.73's, but that would be reserved for a more base truck without a FX4 package. This F250 as either a FX4, or Tremor would likely have a eLSD rearend with a locker like most decently outfitted F150's have. JMHO.

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for the comment! Great info. I honestly just really like how fords almost never come with an open diff. Whereas Ram trucks more often then not come with open diffs which just suck

@michaelfrank6696 7 ай бұрын

What is Rams anti spin diff how does it work

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Anti spin is the helical style or torsen style LSD.

@michaelfrank6696 7 ай бұрын

Thank you Alex does the antispin on my warlock work the same as the limited slip on you're power wagon minus the locker

@michaelfrank6696 7 ай бұрын

I love you're videos I watch them all

@robertbasile4191 6 ай бұрын

Not really slip related but i had a 19 ram 2500 6.4 4.10 truck and it wouldnt back a heavy trailer up a hill nearly as well as my 20 f250 7.3 4.30. The throttle was either off or on in the ram and too fast. More controlled in the ford. Ram was faster and more comfortable around town though.

@tyeetamer 7 ай бұрын

Lockers don’t split torque 50/50 . . . That’s what an open differential does. Also, I personally prefer a selectable locker with open differential. Torsen/ trutrac in rear can get vehicles going sideways quick on ice.

@saltymofo5870 7 ай бұрын

These youngens these days, open diff equals 0 surprise lock ups on slick off camber slopes. E lock = no surprises.

@BrentNye 7 ай бұрын

@@saltymofo5870 Your comment is spot on and very underrated. On a greasy or icy side hill/off-camber slope, an e-locker would provide the best utility and most peace of mind (just turn it off). I ordered my first truck (Chevy K1500) 26 years ago with an open rear diff for this exact reason. My new Ram 1500 has the push-button rear e-locker, which I believe is the best of all worlds.

@angrybeavers1175 7 ай бұрын

This, have almost ate it because of limited slip

@JohnDiMartino 7 ай бұрын

You can keep your limited slip they belong on performance rwd cars not trucks. They chatter, require additives,and are pretty well worn out by 100 k . E locker gives 100 percent power to both wheels. I want an open diff in and slush and snow, i don’t want my rear end sliding . I’ve had both on my plow trucks .

@gsc512 7 ай бұрын

I think the one thing that wasn't discussed was the traction control on the vehicle. I'm sure if you would have revved it up it would have automatically tried to transfer power, if the front wheels were rotating as well using the braking system😅 It would have applied the brakes to the wheel that was getting all the power thus transferring it to the other side. If it didn't as a driver simply apply the brakes lightly would force the transfer, or having ebrake lightly applied

@DC-rl4rp 7 ай бұрын

Traction control…in both my GM and Ram…it’s a love hate relationship…depending on the amount of whiskey defines the amount of hate😂👊😂

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

From my experience the traction control settings on these trucks do nothing but hinder off-road performance. The systems are not designed to transfer torque to other wheels rather they are designed for safety and to slow down wheel spin. It cuts engine power and throttle while applying brake. In theory it should help but it doesn't. Now toyota and honda use a traction control system designed to transfer torque and it work great.

@gsc512 7 ай бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures Jeep has a torque transfer system in quadra trac, quadra drive II uses an e-locker in the Grand Cherokee for the rear axle. Guess you're stuck utilizing the e-brake if you float a wheel but still better then digging out with a shovel or jamming a log under the free tire. 😆

@gsc512 7 ай бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures found this on a power wagon forum: There has been a lot of talk about ESC lately, and I think it's safe to say that most of us are not as educated about this stuff as we should be. I have read, re-read, re-re-re-re-read the manual and googled this stuff and two things became apparent to me; this stuff isn't that complicated, and the manual does a poor job of explaining things clearly. The information is in there, it just takes a few reads to make sense of things. Here is a shorter, hopefully easier to understand version of it. This is based on the 2015 manual. This post does not intend to open the fuse-pulling, wire-cutting can of worms. This is straight from the manual, the way the truck is supposed to work. If I missed anything, please correct me. The collective term "Electronic Stability Control" covers the following: Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) ABS sensors at each wheel detect skidding, and activate the ABS pump to control brake pressure. ABS is not there to stop you faster (though sometimes it does), it is there so you retain steering control in an emergency stop. Brake Assist System (BAS) BAS detects a panic stop by how hard you stomp on the brake pedal. If it detects a panic stop, it activates the ABS pump to apply optimal brake pressure. Electronic Roll Mitigation (ERM) ERM compares steering input to vehicle speed and applies brakes and retards throttle if it determines a rollover is imminent. The manual only mentions this system and doesn't describe it, so I would guess you can't turn it off. Brake Limited Differential (BLD) If BLD detects wheel spin at a driven wheel, it applies the brake to that wheel to transmit torque to the other wheel on the axle. This kind of system provides all of the limited slip capability on a Toyota Tundra. I haven't figured out what impact BLD has on the effectiveness of our limited slip rear diffs. Traction Control System (TCS) TCS retards throttle input if it detects a driven wheel is spinning. The manual describes BLD as part of TCS, but BLD can't be disabled. Trailer Sway Control (TSC) TSC detects trailer sway and applies brakes and retards throttle to control it. Electronic Stability Control (ESC) ESC detects oversteer or understeer by comparing the lateral forces acting on the truck against the steering wheel input. If ESC detects over- or under-steer, it applies brakes and retards throttle to correct. Your control over the ESC systems (excluding HSA and HDC) comes from the "ESC" button. You have three modes to choose from: ESC On Everything listed above is turned on. "On" is available in 2HI and 4HI. Can be selected on the fly with a short press. ESC Partial Off TCS and TSC are off, everything else is on. "Partial Off" is available in 2HI, 4HI.* Can be selected on the fly with a short press. ESC Off TCS, TSC and ESC are off, everything else is on. "Off" is available in 4HI and 4LO. At speeds higher than 40 mph, "Off" reverts to "Partial Off" and comes back when speed drops below 35 mph. Must be selected from a stop with a long press. These last two are described in the ESC section of the manual, but I listed them separately because they are user-selectable and aren't functioned with the ESC button: Hill Start Assist (HSA) If your intended direction of travel is up hill (in forward or reverse gear), the brakes hold the truck stationary until throttle input is enough to start moving uphill. User selected. Turn this on/off through the EVIC or radio. Hill Descent Control (HDC) HDC uses the ABS pump to actively control downhill speed. User selected. Turn it on/off with the HDC button. Must be in 4LO. I did some napkin math on this and descending 150 vertical feet puts approximately the same load on the brakes as stopping from highway speed. HDC won't make your brakes spontaneously combust. And lastly, brake-throttle override: If you have Electronic Throttle Control (ETC), your truck is programmed with brake-throttle override. I still need to do some homework to figure out the conditions that cut the throttle, and if this system is overridden in any ESC mode. The manual recommends two-footed driving in the Power Wagon section, so I suspect there is a way to disable brake-throttle override for off-road driving. If you have unlocked the secrets of brake-throttle override, please share with the group.

@Weak_juan 7 ай бұрын

Love the pw but ram needs to optimize that piss poor payload. Tremor hd proves it can be done.

@davidhillbrand2302 7 ай бұрын

A couple of items to consider: can the E-locker be engaged in two wheel drive? (Fords can, not sure on Ram). Second, todays traction control systems that are standard in 2WD and 4Hi may provide similar performance to the limited slip diffs. Food for thought - great video as always.

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

The Power wagon can lock the rear diff in 2wd. Honestly I've found when it comes to snow and mud the traction control does nothing but hinder. Its not designed to transfer torque to different wheels its simply designed to spot wheel spin for safety. It cuts engine power and throttle.

@darylcohoon5343 7 ай бұрын

Only prob (with the Ford) is the e-locker unlocks once you get above 20 - 25mph unless you're in 4x4 low, kinda lame in my opinion but for liability and safety reasons can understand why oem's do that...

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

They do that because there is probably a high risk of premature wear at those speeds. Regardless I agree with you, you should be able to lock it in as long as you want

@slocavky 7 ай бұрын

Thank god you didn't try a GM G80 LOL... those things are terrible.... they work but man they're very harsh when it activates.

@matthewanderson9912 7 ай бұрын

The G80 is a true mechanical locker that works automatically like a limited slip would. So that’s another option worth mentioning. Also I don’t understand the point of getting a 4wd and then not wanting to use it when there’s snow/slush or whatever else is on the road lol.

@TheGettyAdventures 7 ай бұрын

So in the winters usually what happens is some roads are snow covered, some roads are particularly snow covered and some roads are dry. Its not like there is 2 feet of snow on the roads but when pulling away from a stop sign its nice to have good traction without throwing the truck into 4wd then 1 minute down the road taking it out because the roads are bare. Ya if you are driving through a storm 4wd is the king.

@tbup-north8718 7 ай бұрын

When are you home for Christmas

@twinforce_fusion6560 7 ай бұрын

G90

@EGGINFOOLS 7 ай бұрын

G80 is 100% a locker for the record

@matthewchase2512 7 ай бұрын

I think you should give it the gas and that would prove it 😊

@panthermartin7784 7 ай бұрын

Lmfao, that Fords front chin spoiler is absolutely ridiculous.

@brewswillis7294 7 ай бұрын

I’ll take the locker all day long…

@wilheimreis8272 7 ай бұрын

😂😂😂put the mirrors down.thats silly unless your actually towing. nice truck though.power wagons are awesome.

@ldmtag 6 ай бұрын

Open differential actually splits torque 50/50 between the wheels. Cos, duh, you don't need 100% torque to spin a wheel in the air, you need barely above 0. And since torque on the left is exactly equal to the torque on the right, the whell on the ground gets the same amount - slightly above 0. And than electronics kill your enginine power for it to not spin itself into oblivion. Locked diff, on the other hand, does send both torque and power TO WHATEVER WHEEL THAT HAS TRACTION or in proportion to traction if both wheels have. Stop spreading the "50:50" lie.