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Harry Potter’s been my hero ever since I watched movies with my family, he proved himself to be The Boy Who Lived woh defeated Lord Voldemort & ended the trouble he & the Death Eaters have caused with the help of his best friends Ron Weasley & Hermione Granger including Neville Longbottom & I’m also glad that Umbridge & was arrested as a cheap fraud, a dirty liar & a selfish bully she really was

@@dylanpinto1529 ooookay

Yeah, makes no sense having him in the grey area and at the same time putting Rita Skeeter in the tier below him. I haven't read the books in a good while, but is there a reason why Flitwick and Sprout are in different tiers?

I feal like the fanbase offen under rates how evil Lockhaert's actions are just becoes he didn't do the death eater things

@@mangahell8177It feels like if his memories remained intact he would’ve became a death eater when Voldemort returned.

well i believe that the bottom tier only belongs to people who have done bigger sins like murder, inflicting pain and i don't like him too but i think he's not that evil to be in bottom tier. Actually lockhart just wanted to erase their memory but not leave them to die.

Also, don't forget the strength of the Obliviate curse he tried to use on Ron and Harry that landed him in St. Mungos for life. They saved his life, and were children, not to mention his students. But that meant nothing to him.

I know right

And Regulus was groomed to be a racist from childhood.. so I can kinda forgive him a little bit

Hagrid deserves to be in the top tear! He saves Harry multiple times and keeps him safe.

@@Vicky-su9ex cant agree more

Agreed

He doesn’t even deserve pretty bad he deserves the incompetent trier

​@@takirarucker7613yep. Incompetent AND stupid.

@@takirarucker7613mirrors 98% the other Prime miniters we’ve had

@@mikey24788 I’m American I have no idea about prime minister I’ll take your word for it

@@takirarucker7613A prime minister is basically just a president except with a different title. It also depends on which country you're referring to. For example, the prime minister of Canada has a different role in the government than the prime minister of the UK.

He's the most good character in the whole show.

He's too pure

Yassss

Yes Please 35:44 😊

Master has not given dobby his own teir 😢

bro you just broke my mind

only the movie version though.

@@desh323 yeah

@movieflame

Absolutly

U all r stupid he has a video like that

So true @movieflame

Brilliant idea. @movieflame please do this. I have a couple ideas myself though. Katniss’s Mirror of Erised: I think she would see herself living happily with Peeta, Prim and her mother in a new Panem that was a free and fair democracy. Possibly her father would be alive again and with them too, and maybe a Gale that never betrayed her. Her boggart would be the dead bodies of Peeta, Prim, Gale and her mother. Coriolanus Snow (BOSAS) Mirror of Erised: Himself as president with everyone in the Snow family rich and in powerful positions alongside him. Boggart: Everyone finding out that the Snow family wasn’t actually rich anymore, and them being shunned by society because of it, with him losing everything he worked so hard to gain. Coriolanus Snow: (Original series) Mirror of Erised: Him continuing to rule Panem unopposed, with Katniss dead and the rebellion viciously crushed. Boggart: His regime falling and him being killed by Katniss. Alma Coin: Her mirror of Erised would be herself as Panem’s president with Snow dead. Her boggart would be losing the rebellion and being killed by Snow.

yeah that's being selfish.

Yeah, but Cedric died so he didn't see all that. Ranking isn't about the future, but when they were alive. Lol. Tonks though? I'd rather she stayed home with her baby instead of fighting the war. That's why Lily is on top; she died protecting her baby. Tonks just abandoned her baby to be with Lupin. Just like Lupin abandoned Tonks and Teddy

@@tfahad2051I agree on Cedric, disagree on Tonks. Tonks fought to give her baby a better life. She knew she was needed out there as she was one of the strongest wizards fighting for Hogwarts. It took Bellatrix herself to take her out. And Tonks knew if she and Lupin died, her parents would be willing to raise the baby, as well as Harry would be there to be his godfather. Don’t undermine how heroic Tonks’s sacrifice was.

I agree with you

I agree. She fought for her child and other peoples' children's future.​

exactly!

I agree completely. In many ways she is worse than Vernon because she never stopped his abuse.

I thought the same thing. Thank you for putting it so well

Same here

I agree. I don’t understand why he put so much emphasis on Petunia’s redemption, which was very slight and doesn’t make up for years of child abuse. Dumbledore at least redeemed himself by becoming the literal embodiment of goodness for the last 100 years of his life after making mistakes as a teenager, blinded by love with a traumatic childhood, yet he still received “morally grey”

Exactly! Even Dumbledore’s death was technically a sacrifice to save Draco (and Snape to an extent due to the Unbreakable Vow). Dumbledore decided if he was gonna die, he would save a student no matter how bad a person Malfoy was. He also was the sole presence and rival to Voldemort that prevented him from taking over the Wizarding World in the 5th and 6th books, as we saw in the 7th book that Voldemort only makes his move once Dumbledore is dead.

​@@SJ-di5zu Malfoy wasn't good or bad. He didn't have it in him to embody evil, but neither was he a good person. He was somewhere in between.

What about the fact that he's been using Harry? Think of the dialogue between Snape and Dumbledore. "Snape: You've kept him alive so he can die at the proper moment? You've been raising him like a pig for slaughter? Dumbledore: So now you've actually grown to care for the boy?" Ok. Now you tell me if you still think Dumbledore is a good guy, because I sure don't believe he is.

Dumbledore should be in the hero one because he always did the right thing

@@alinamagda2547 what would you have done? He wasn't gonna protect Harry at the cost of so many other lives. He wasn't happy about it but he knew it was the only way to defeat Voldemort. Plus, Harry didn't end up dying. Or he came back to life. Still not sure about what happened there but I think it's implied it was thanks to Dumbledore.

It totally was Mary Cattermole

Yeah, I was like is the last going to also have characters from Fantastic Beasts?

Lockhart erased so many witch and wizards memories just to take credit for their achievements, basically putting them in the psychiatric ward, and he was going to do that to children, just to keep the fascade.

I thought the same thing. Lockhart's evilness is clouded because of the horrendous shit death eaters does but I trying to leave two 12 yrs and one 11 yr old to die....no...thats extremely shitty!

@@alesonuDumbledore did 100x the good that Lockhart did, and didn’t do anything nearly as bad as what Lockhart did, yet ended up in the same morally grey area. That’s crazy to me.

@@SJ-di5zu Dumbledore was kinda grey. He manipulated a lot of people albeit for greater good but he did manipulate and use them. He delayed facing Grindelwald, one of the worst dark wizard of all time, because of his feelings for him. Which means he watched as Grindelwald kept tormenting people. So there are some morally grey thing he did. But Lockhart deserves very bad. Dumbledore at least tried to do the right thing and kept doing what is right, unlike Lockhart who would have let one 11 and two 12 year olds die just to save his own skin. Thats evil

Not to mention he arrested Hagrid in Chamber of Secrets without any proof other than the lingering suspicion from last time the Chamber was opened, and that "the Ministry has to be seen doing something!" Again, the red flags of image over truth, and doing the right thing, goes all the way back to Chamber for Fudge. Those traits just tended to blow out of proportion as the situation of the world he was meant to be leading became more chaotic, and God forbid, threatened his image.

Hagrid created the Blast Ended Skrewts that could've potentially killed his students. He also told Quirrell how to get past Fluffy. He was trusted by Albus to keep secrets, but he let the trio know a bit too much about the Philosopher's Stone. He showed Maxime the dragons before the First Task. Can't argue about Fleur but Lee wasn't really at risk. Not like the world knew who was the person behind the voice. Fleur put herself at risk.

​@@tfahad2051 but Hagrid accidentally said those things but still anything he accidentally did badly were made up with everything good he did

Yeah he is good in my opinion

Yeah, that's what I was about to say 😅

Mary Elizabeth Cattermole

Yeah & Mrs barebone is from fantastic beasts 😆

Which is why the twins should be lower on the list, they actively bullied their brother while he did nothing to them to deserve that. On top of that the twins bullied other kids, injuring or deforming several, and also sold love potions in their joke shop. Like yikes.

@@Bionickpunk Love potions created Voldemort because their side effects gave Tom Riddle the inability to feel love. Harry was right to pity Voldemort. If there are unforgivable curses, love potions should be considered an unforgivable potion to use. It's literally mind rape.

Granted it has been a long time since I’ve read the first three books, recently reread the last 4, but the Weasley kids are pretty accurate depictions of siblings in that they’re total jerks to each other. It’s always in jest and they’re protective of each other when it matters, but Fred, George, Ron, and Ginny are always talking trash to each other and pulling pranks. It’s not their fault Percy couldn’t handle it. Also all they talk about is how Percy was the favorite (along with Bill and Charlie) because of his grades and prefect status. In the last few books he DID turn his back on the family. He yelled at his dad and said his lack of ambition is what led to the Weasleys being poor, didn’t show up to any holidays except Christmas under Scrimgeour’s orders to get him close to Harry, he approved of everything Umbridge did at Hogwarts, and approved of Fudge at the Ministry. Percy turned his back on his family in the name of political gain and for a few books, he wasn’t that different from Umbridge. Of course in the Battle of Hogwarts he redeemed himself by fighting for Hogwarts and apologizing to his family.

I agree as he is seen to have matured in age

@@sarahimran434 Yeah, and to be honest, James bullied Snape because he did the dark arts and was friends with death eaters

@@emily79519agree, same goes for Sirius and Dumbledore I think

@@baul6843 yeah, I mean the qilllin bowed down to Dumbledore, so I think that at least makes him heroic too

​​@@emily79519Where did you get that? James hated Snape since the Hogwarts express without even knowing him only coz Snape said he wants to be in Slytherin, that too to Lily! James was the one who was prejudiced n immediately started passing snarky comments! Also he did not bully Snape coz he practiced dark arts! He bullied him coz torturing him got him the attention of Lily! He literally bullied him for passing time. This is the lines from OOTP, from Snape's worst memory chap that Lily said to James: “You think you’re funny,” she said coldly. “But you’re just an arrogant, bullying toerag, Potter. Leave him alone.” “I will if you go out with me, Evans,” said James quickly. “Go on . . . Go out with me, and I’ll never lay a wand on old Snivelly again.” Where do you find him torturing Snape in a gang for practicing dark arts?? Also he bullied anyone who annoyed him. In same chapter, Lily said this: “I don’t want you to make him apologize,” Lily shouted, rounding on James. “You’re as bad as he is. . . .” “What?” yelped James. “I’d NEVER call you a - you-know-what!” “Messing up your hair because you think it looks cool to look like you’ve just got off your broomstick, showing off with that stupid Snitch, walking down corridors and hexing anyone who annoys you just because you can - I’m surprised your broomstick can get off the ground with that fat head on it. You make me SICK.” It is awful and disgusting when people try to Justify James's bullying!! And even Narcissa, looked Voldy in the eye and lied about Harry's death! Knowing very well that Voldy is the best legilimen in the world and if she is caught, she'll be dead. So James doing it for his family is understandable!

Dumbledore is at least heroic, considering what he has done for the entire Wizards community. I was literally wondering "How could the guy put Dumbledore in this category when he's the only reason the entire Magic World was saved from being ruled by 2 "Hitler" figures "(I guess Voldy should be worse😅) You can argue he's not on the top of the list because of his connection with Grindelwald, but he never actually, cross that line, he always stays on the "Good side". Also, I hate that "He raised Potter like a pig just to be slaughtered" argument, like what else should he do? "Hey Harry, eh, in order to eliminate Voldy, can you kindly prepare to die when the time comes?" Imagine saying that to a kid straight to his face😂 In the end, it's the actions that define you, not what you think in the process. Dumbledore is the true hero in the series, no matter how selfish he was before... Even if there are some stains in his teenage days, he spent the rest of his life for redemption, and to me, that's pretty heroic.

Oh yeah, the best parents. Ron got the worst things, hand me downs. "Let's scream at our kids and treat other kids great." They won 700 Galleons and they spent it all in one trip to Egypt. Yup, "we know our kids don't dress the best and we've financially suffered for years, but let's have an extravagant vacation and not save up and buy a better house, abandoning their terrible looking home."

@@tfahad2051name better parents (other than lily)

​@@tfahad2051To be fair, that trip to Egypt wasn't for shits and giggles. Their other son was there.

@@shreesayajha we didn't get to meet many parents before the Malfoys. But I'd say Longbottoms would've been great

@vastro921 Floo Powder is cheap. Very. Why not Floo yourself there? That'd cost less than a galleon so where did the other 699 galleons go? Arthur is good with Muggle stuff, or we think, but surely he could've traded in a few of those galleons and get the Muggle money. IDK, could've used that money to better the house and save up for kids education so they didn't need to buy second hand things.

Dont agree with Hagrid, he is pretty pro-slavery with House Elves, and he put children in danger with his blast ended screwts, along with Fluffy, and even Buckbeak, and especially Aragog. When it comes to safety of the students, he fails at it. As a teacher, he is bad at it, the woman that took his place did a way better job and did it safely.

@@Bionickpunkok but that isn’t done with malicious intent. Hagrid truly believes in these creatures and is blinded to the idea that they do bad things. He isn’t doing those things to be mean, he just has such a soft spot for the creatures that he forgets that their instincts don’t mesh well with humans. I think he should have been heroic

​@@BionickpunkI wouldn't count Fluffy in that list, since his purpose was to keep people away, and Hagrid nor anyone else sent someone to him

Same here

​@@occheermommyit doesn't matter what intent he had, he was blinded enough to ignore the harm those creatures can cause. He got whooped by his own brother many times and yet asked the trio to help Grawp. He sent the trio in the forest to clear his name. Uhm, what? Sure they didn't harm him, but Hagrid knows they were carnivorous. Sending 2 kids to their area, and they almost died. Oh, he invented Blast Ended Skrewts, a new species to which no one in the world is aware exists, so he doesn't know the danger, and yet he is putting his students in danger and overlooking the burns and bites they suffered, just so he can learn about them by risking his student's lives, having them feed the Skrewts so he could keep his precious invention. I'm sure he got injured by them and knew what that felt like, but nope, let the kids suffer along the way

About time someone understood

I wanted so hard to disagree but can't. I do agree they were heroic but I will put then as just good!

Montague and Dudley both deserved it. In the case of Dudley, they were sticking up for Harry because he was abused by him for so long, and in the case of Montague, the Slytherins were literally evil to the point where they sided with the Death Eaters, so they deserved everything they got. As for Ron and Percy, all the twins did was make fun of them the way all of the siblings made fun of each other. They still stuck up for their family whenever it mattered. I agree love potions are very questionable morally, but I guess the wizarding world doesn’t consider them an issue. Romilda Vane was openly trying to sneak them to Harry and got Ron with one.

@@SJ-di5zu 1. Dudley was a CHILD, was he a bully? Absolutely, but that does not give them the right to attempt to kill him. I would've been fine if all they did was punch him (giving him a taste of his own medicine) or give him some magical candy that turned his skin purple for a week, but no, they attempted murder. While there is a possibility that killing him wasn't what they were going for, they had no remorse for when they eventually found out. Same goes for Montague, first of all, you're assuming Montague is evil/a death eater because he's a Slytherin and while I understand the trepidation considering the circumstances, it doesn't give them a right to stuff him into a magical closet that leads him to the hospital (besides not all Slytherins are death eaters, case in point: the Greengrass family). Again, even if they're ignorant at first, they clearly don't care once they find out, they're both like "lol whoops" instead of worrying they almost killed a kid over house points. In both scenarios, the twins bad actions are not near the equivalent of the other's bad actions, the ends don't justify the means. 2. TBF I don't remember a lot of the twins and Percy's dynamic but I do remember that they were downright cruel to Percy. You can claim "siblings act like this all the time" but toxic behavior is still toxic even if it's not intended to be. The twins may not see their teasing as bullying but that doesn't mean it isn't. I don't deny that Fred and George both cared for Percy deeply, they both adore their family more than anything, but rather their ignorance strikes again and they don't find anything wrong with their cruel behavior. 3. I actually agree with you, it seems the twins grew up in a society where love potions are normalized therefore don't realize how terrible they are. I just wish there was someone who called out how fucked the potions are morally. Fred and George can be heroic, they can be kind and they love super strongly for family and friends or even strangers. However, this does not stop them from being pieces of shit to people that they hate, believing their attempted murders and cruel behavior are "justifiable" because of bias.

⁠@@DGSupremacy1. I don’t actually remember exactly what they did to Dudley, however their products were pretty well tested and I stand by the fact that Dudley deserved a prank or two. The Weasley brothers were only 2 years older than him too so he can’t pull the whole “he’s a child” argument. And Montague was pretty consistently a d*ck throughout the series and friends with Draco and his boys (sons of Death Eaters), and let’s be honest, all of the Slytherins were awful that we met during Harry’s time. There were almost no instances of a good Slytherin besides Slughorn who is like 70 years old. How many times did Slytherins put Harry in the hospital or cheer when he was put in the hospital? How many times did they cross the line? Even wish death upon him? Plus, Montague was working for Umbridge, so he has to be at least a bit evil. 2. Seems like neither of us can really pull great examples of Percy, Fred, and George, but I maintain that all of the Weasley siblings attacked each other equally except Bill and Charlie because they were older. Fred, George, Ron, and Ginny were ruthless with each other. Molly was especially ruthless towards Fred and George as well. 3. Yeah I mean the love potions were being used so frequently in the story, it’s quite shocking they weren’t considered on the same level as the Unforgivables. They’re basically r*pe potions. Romilda got off Scot-free for attempting to get Harry with it and successfully getting Ron? Crazy. But the twins were running a business, and it was a prank shop, so it’s hard to fault them too much for including it. Maybe I could see the twins being bumped down to “Good.” I think that or Heroic is good for them; after all George sacrificed his ear and Fred his life fighting for Hogwarts and protecting Harry. And I believe all of the 7 Potters were heroes except Mundungus who was pretty much forced in by Moody.

I disagree, for me, Flitwick and Sprout are the two best teachers hogwarts ever had and should go in top tier. Btw, Neville had a very hard time in his first years and while Snape, McGonnagal and others pushed him down, Sprout was the only teacher he really bonded with, making him self secure in her class and exceeding excellent.

I know right

​@@egiatchess4589that's your opinion but Lupin was the best teacher out of the 7 books. You seem to love Neville but forgot how much confidence he brought in Neville? Snape tried to make him look bad before the Boggart lesson but Lupin stood up and basically said he was going to have Neville start the lesson. Many students believe that Lupin was the best DADA teacher they ever had, and it's not reaching if I said he'd have been the best teacher in any class he was teaching. It's bold to say Flitwick and Sprout were the 2 best teachers the school ever had. Barty Crouch Jr was pretty great, teaching kids what it's like in the real world. He's the one that gave Harry practice to fight off the Imperius Curse a few times in class, which helped Harry fighting it against Voldemort. Harry even was able to distinguish Stan was under that Curse so the kids were told how to figure out who's under that Curse, which of course helps when Voldemort is back. He was the one that gave Harry an idea to become an Auror. McGonagall was great. She was a bit stern with everyone, not just Neville but it was for their own good. She encouraged Neville to take Charms when his grandmother said no. She took many curses to defend Hagrid, a fellow teacher, and ended up in St. Mungo's. She was fair with everyone. Snape is just cruel. Albus in his days as a Professor was probably great, since he was very learned.

actually she just provided the Madrakes, the current Potions Master brew the potion XD

​@@tfahad2051true, the worst she did was roast Neville for not putting his headphones on right. But if she gets points for the mandrakes, Snape does too for making the potion, and making the potions for Lupin. It was part of their jobs in service to the school. I love how Lupin stood up for Neville, but he joined in/didn't stop his friends from being bullies. I mean, it's a little different with Snape since you can hardly call Snape innocent either as a kid, but they definitely ganged up on him. I question his motives for wanting to join the trio in the last book, if it was for adventure or to help save the world, but he did try. I am still mad at him for not sending Harry a card for his birthday in the 4th book 🙄 like sir you just bonded with who was basically your nephew for a whole year and you can't even wish him a Happy Birthday or anything?

Yes they were both awful. And I don't think Petunia's redemption was any redemption at all. But for Snape, most things I agree, but after he changed, he never went back to death eater even after Lily died! And the 1 year before Tom's fall, he became triple agent, his life was in constant danger. Compare that to keeping the blanket you found your sister's child in being willed to you! In that sense, I think Snape is correctly in grey. He was a miserable,awful and bitter man who bullied kids for fun but yes, he did some pretty heroic things too. So grey is perfect place for him

Sirius had an awful upbringing yet resisted it and became so anti-blood purity that people called him a bully for it! No excuses for Snivellus

@@SJ-di5zuyeah no excuses for what he did in his Pre-1981 days, he made his choices, I can see how his upbringing contributed to those choices, but he still made those choices. However after 1981, after Lily died it feels like he goes on a path, not of redemption, but atonement, he protected Harry, spied on Voldemort, Served Dumbledore loyally and in the end he died for the right cause. Of course being a vindictive bully(JK’s words) to his students is indefensible, so I think Grey is the right tier for him

@@kharanraj6546agree grey area is fine. I don’t think he’s bad at least not after lily was killed before then yeah probably would be in the bad tier.

Yeah, Snape was a terrorist by choice and he reveled in bullying children.

@MovieFlame this is a great idea please do this!

No, and we have another proof he's a bully; "James Potter and Sirius Black. Apprehended using an illegal hex upon Bertram Aubrey. Aubrey’s head twice normal size. Double detention." It's when Harry was in detention with Severus (in OOTP if I recall) and we had to see the files of the punishment of some students. You all need to stop saying that just because it's the point of Severus, that James isn't actually that bad, because it's not true and we have more proof he is indeed bad. We also have no proof he grew up because I'm pretty sure Sirius said that "Severus was an exception" when Harry asked about him. It doesn't mean James didn't grow up of course, we just don't have enough proof for it. It just means that James indeed was a bully when he was at Hogwarts. Hope it helped

Actually no. I am really tired of people always trying to justify James behaviour. In OOTP, Remus said that Dumbledore literally made Remus prefect hoping he would keep a check on his two frds and he admitted that he didn't do a good job. Showing even Dumbledore was not in favor of his behaviour, plus the person who replied here also gave another ex. Also James actually started the whole thing with his prejudice against Slytherin. He hated Snape just because he wanted to be in Slytherin. Also, in the OOTP, in Snape's memory, Lily was the one who said to James ["I don't need you to make him apologize to me, you are just as bad as him"] and went on to point out that he bullied anyone who annoyed him. So no, James was also a bully and had flaws. It won't kill anyone to accept it!!

@@alesonuLily would never have dated him if he didn’t mature, that was one of the biggest reasons she resisted doing so for so long. He must have done in order to win her over.

@@alesonuDumbledore wanted them to quit breaking rules. They were class clowns. He said nothing of bullying. There is a difference between getting your friends to stop breaking rules to get your friends to stop bullying. Those words were never said. Also you cannot discount that Snape would be an unreliable narrator. He hates James and will remember him with the hate he feels. No matter how just you try to be you don’t remember things accurately. And I doubt Snape was trying to be just. They both had their faults but please stop defending Snape and making him out to be innocent in this. Also we know Lilly would t have married James if he hadn’t matured. Remus even says that

@@dannylagangonzalez6832 I am saying that coz in OOTP, Sirius and Remus admitted that he continued bullying Snape behind Lily's back. And in front if Harry, no one would say anything bad about his father now, will they? But yes he did fought against a tyrant, he did loved his frds and family and died protecting them. So, there is credit there

Personally I would only put her in good. She was criticizing Neville all the time, comparing him with his father

Frank and Alice should also be ranked heroic, maybe even god tier.

She was never the nicest to Neville, that probably puts her down a tier into “Good”

So was Peter Pettigrew!

@@alesonu Well Peter was... peter

​@@alesonuExcept James never betrayed or killed people like Wormtail!

@@paulyb7267 Did I say that? What I mean is being in order, does not automatically means he is a good person as people like Peter was there too. And we don't know what James did as order member but we do know, that he put his faith in a person which led to his and his wife's death!

technically that was sirius's "brilliant" idea, because he suspected lupin to be the spy@@alesonu

Wow, this is one comment I 100% agree with!!

He put too much stock into tiny redemptions for the bad guys. Petunia was at best negligent as her husband abused Harry for years, at worst directly abusive to Harry as well. Crying over Lily’s death doesn’t change anything. Petunia was abusive and projected her jealousy for Lily onto an unaware little kid.

False. He broke off with griddlewald because his sister died. Grindlewald already was showing his darker side. If Arianna had not been killed it is very very likely Dumbledore would be still with grindlewald

Great point about Snape that everyone overlooks: Dumbledore was DISGUSTED by Snape when he said he wanted Voldemort to kill Harry (a LITERAL BABY) and James if he’ll spare Lily. That’s despicable. He ordered the death of a baby to protect a woman he had a creepy crush on. Even with his “redemption,” we have to understand that had Lily not been killed, he probably wouldn’t be doing any of this, and that protecting Harry was the least he could do after he recited the prophecy to Voldemort and asked for Harry specifically to die. His actions were heroic, but only after multiple horrible actions, and his motives were very questionable. Agreed on James and Sirius, particularly the latter. Sirius didn’t really do anything wrong; he bullied Snape at times and he hated the Dark Arts. But he was raised by the same household as Snape and Malfoy, yet turned out the opposite as them. Sirius resisted the indoctrination of his family, something that isn’t said enough. Is that not heroic?

These are the exact points I would like to make, especially regarding James Sirius or Snape. Thank you for your comment

I disagree about snape yes his abuse of children is despicable but it was at least partially to keep his cover and about filch he is kind of on the heroes' side so its hard to say how evil he is

Sameee

Please read the book. You comment clearly shows you have no idea! It was not Just Snape's memory. Harry asked about it to Remus and Sirius and they CONFIRMED it!

@alesonu Thanks for the tip, of course I have read the book. The books do a better job than the films which hero worship Snape at the cost of James. Triggered Snape fan?

@@Laura-pk2fd Why does people always think that just because I am pointing out James's flaw, I am Snape fan? Why would I want to discount the fact that Snape was a death eater? Or that he bullied 11-17 year olds almost borderlining on child abuse. What I was trying to say is James is in the right tier considering the awful things he did in his school time just like Draco. He was an awful bully but changed and went on to be a better person.

oh shut up, James is heroic and so is Sirius @@alesonu

@@anonymous99923 Are you lacking brain or attention? Or do you like to quarrel that bad?? If you do not know then shut the fuck up!! If you think they are heroic, thats your business. Don't push your bloody thoughts down my throat!!

yes, he also embodies the slytherin traits perfectly as he gets these students good jobs as long as he gets something in return

yeah the villains wiki says shes a villain by proxy meaning she didnt really choose to be evil and she was originally a human woman from what Ive heard

Glad someone said it how are they on the same tier as Zabini who is openly racist Also both sacrificed theselves for the people they cared about

@@bigwslyZabini was a bully who never got redemption; Sirius and James were bullying the bullies in high school AND got redemption. They deserve heroic tier. I do think MovieFlame has his biases that he tends to stick to; once he’s made a point that he doesn’t like a character for a certain reason, he will rank that character low any time he has a chance. An example would be Lily, who is probably the most morally perfect person in the series, but he always brings up the same gripe about her: “in the fifth book pensieve memory, Lily kinda had a trace of a smile on her face when James pulled down Snape’s underpants, but then she quickly went back to being angry and telling him to stop, so that’s why I don’t really like her much.” It’s the smallest, most minute nitpick possible. A 15 year old almost smiled at someone’s pants being pulled down? How horrible! Not to mention Snape called her a Mudblood like 2 minutes after that so I imagine he wasn’t the most pleasant individual to her at the time.

I noticed in his other videos too that he doesn't like Sirius and James. He thinks less of them than they deserve.

Agree. Also he calls Zabini racist, mean, and a bully and puts him in nice lmao. "Had he been in the room of requirements and used the killing curse I would have put him in grey area" Like tf man how would that be grey area Like sheesh lemme just pull a gun on my class mate but I'm still an okay dude right?

Yes. The woman was a spiteful bigoted bitch to muggleborn and what she called half-breeds.

Yeah there are a few he was way lenient on. Lockhart too.

One argument you can make is that he was only treating Harry and the Gryffindors so badly was that he could look good to Voldemort if he ever used leglimancy on him. But I imagine that he also wanted to bully Harry specifically because he was the spitting image of James. In his mind, keeping him alive (for Lily) but ensuring he was miserable (for James) was an ideal compromise.

There is inference that Snape killed many as a death eater. When him and Dumbledore are arguing over him killing Dumbledore in his memory he asks about his soul and Dumbledore basically said you have killed but he said now he has only let those die that he couldn’t save like Charity Babbage I’m guessing. It feels to me like Snape was a murderer for the death eaters even though they don’t spell it iyt

But I agree on everything else

​​​​@@occheermommyDo you have the habit of misinterpreting things? In the memory when Snape asked about his Soul, this is the quote: ******* “That boy’s soul is not yet so damaged,” said Dumbledore. “I would not have it ripped apart on my account.” “And my soul, Dumbledore? Mine?” “You alone know whether it will harm your soul to help an old man avoid pain and humiliation,” said Dumbledore. *********" Which means his soul was still unharmed! How do you read this as Snape killing people, or more like you want it to be like that!! Broh Snape was an awful, miserable, bitter old bully, and it is perfectly reasonable to dislike him, but dislike him for the right reasons not the reasons you invented!

@@alesonu because right after that he asks about people and Snape said lately only those he can’t save. Implying in the past things were different. So even if he didn’t kill himself he was complacent

He already did!!😊

Are you talking about about the one about all the Marauders or the one that analyzes the relationship between him and Lupin because we only got bits and pieces of Sirius’s childhood plus there’s enough material to a video like the ones about Lupin and the one about James and Lily

Same! Even though I don't like the cursed child for its flawed concept of Time Turners, I do like the idea of cannoning the Malfoys growing and changing after the second war and I find it a little funny that it takes them two wars to really see how much they need one another. I'd definitely say Draco's grey, he's not Bad but he's not good either, he's not a nice person but he isn't an awful person at the same time. He does things for his family and if I were hypothetically in his shoes at sixteen, I'd both be traumatized by the horrible adult role models I'm surrounded by, but I'd also go down the same exact path as Draco if I were in his shoes cause all he could turn to ultimately is his parents. And with his father-his idol-in Azkaban I'd imagine that scars a teenager knowing someone you looked up, idolized as a child, and wanted to be like when you grew up. Adoring this person for so long and then to top it off, watching as that same person gets put away and slandered by the public has its own mental-mind fuck of its own. Then it gets worse somehow when hypothetically you're forced to kill an all powerful wizard that not even Voldemort can take down, is another form of terrifying. I just can psychoanalyze this entire book since Draco was raised by his parents beliefs and no doubt sheltered to the point he had no friends up until Hogwarts where he's thrown into an isolating snake pit with only two of his families allies kids by his side. But Crabbe and Goyle didn't meet Draco until they were on the train and before that its safe to assume Draco was homeschooled since his parents were blood purists and didn't believe in the ideology of mixing pure bred wizards with muggle children. And since theres minimum purebloods I doubt they had a primary school just for purebred children, and even less for purebred slytherin children. So Draco being homeschooled by expensive tutors and neglected by his parents is the image that forms in my brain whenever I read chapters of Harry Potter where Draco was in it. Like I could imagine him sitting in a lone desk in his mansion with a strict angry tutor and an old fashioned chalk board and him being scolded for having brought mud into his parents home while they're out or something like that. But putting the facts together it makes more sense that Draco was homeschooled with zero friends-much like how Harry went to primary school and had no friends-up until Hogwarts. Then Harry being the first boy Draco ever meets and so he tries his best to impress Harry with his knowledge of purebred society and blood purity and upper social standing and just the general wizarding world as well as the four Hogwarts houses but Draco ends up doing the opposite. Which could've had a negative affect on Draco's confidence as a kid. Then he meets Crabbe and Goyle who's parents are allied friends with Lucius. I feel like Draco's parents neglected him based on the bullying spoiled behavior he portrayed throughout the books. However, I think it was his mother who despite not really being around, she still showed him empathy and tried to be a mom but wasn't really there for him much like Lucius. So thats where the craving need to impress his father comes in but not as much his mother, even though I think Draco isn't just a daddy's boy and more of a mommy's boy by book six with how he fiercely tried to stand up to Harry and his friends when they made unnecessary comments about his parents. Then how he also broke down in both the bathroom but then the arc with Dumbledore how he mentions that Voldemort would kill him an his family if he didn't kill Dumbledore. And his family would just be Lucius and Narcissa. It's also rarely referenced in book six any mention of his father which is partly due to him going to Azkaban but also you gotta think about the big picture cause in this point in time Draco is a teenager going to a boarding school with other kids. And based on book description he didn't seem too interested in what people (most likely) said about his family after the big scandal. He didn't bully kids as much either. I dunno throughout the entire Harry Potter series I agree Draco is definitely gray, he's not in the black category of villainous or bad and he's not in the white tape category of holy godly good heroic or even nice. He's just in the grey zone, the inbetween cause he did things when he was a child but also turned his life around as an adult. Personally and this is my opinion/vision of how I imagine Draco in the future but also how I pictured him throughout the books. I always imagined Draco as a closet gay that adapts to change and speaks out against blood purity based on his personal experiences by becoming a bully, having an obsession with his public image and appearance-which could be why he dated Pansy in school cause there wasn't much chemistry between the two and his weird childhood obsession with picking on Harry every chance he got the first three books has me thinking "boy who pulled girls pigtails bc he liked her" like Draco gave me closeted one-sided Harry Potter crush vibes and his pride was wounded when Harry rejected him as a friend when they were children, so I don't know but Draco ain't straight too many signs say otherwise, anyway then Draco being bullied by his father-even though Draco looked up to him it was Lucius who bullied his son and at the same time neglected him massively then spoiled his son with stuff but no emotional commitment and affection, and then also later on Draco having to deal with surviving Voldemort and making his own judgement of that-not something his parents could brainwash him into thinking by this point cause he was sixteen and could see it for himself and decide whether or not to follow down that path. I can't really see him married to a woman however as I mentioned I can picture him having a son but I see Astoria more as a surrogate than a motherly-parental-wife-figure, I feel like she temporarily marries Draco so he has an heir and not a bastard born out of wedlock-cause they're blood purists so it makes sense that this religious thing is important to them. Anyway the marriage is temporary and they divorce shortly after Scorpius is born. Astoria gives away all custody rights cause she wants nothing to do with the Malfoy family. But I feel like the marriage during the time period was a sham so Scorpius could be seen as an heir and not a bastard. As for Draco, he wouldn't actually love Astoria in a romantic partner sort of way, it'd just be an appearance an so his son is born. I can see Astoria giving up custody and moving to some place like America or Spain and just living out her life in a different country and not even in the picture at all. I see Draco being a single closeted gay dad who overcomes his own blood purity issues and opens up his own small potions shop and is more focused on raising his son because his own father didn't really seem focused on Draco growing up if that makes sense. And yes there's symbolism to the whole SMALL potions shop, its cause Draco grew up in a Manor that was tarnished by Volemort so it just makes sense that he wants something new and small and something entirely his that he builds where no dark artifacts or dark magic has tainted his little shop. Anyway thats my fan-made version of how I pictured Draco based on reading the whole Harry Potter series over and over again, and eventually getting my own judgement of each character based on traumatic experiences as a child and teen years and then putting it together with the epilogue and other peoples theories around Harry Potter Post War. then of course I read the cursed child play an it was shit but had some points that i could see, nothing to do with time turners of course because thats just stupid but ya! Lol sorry if you had to read so much. Also I do ship Drarry over Hinny cause I feel like for one Harry would be too traumatized after the war, he'd blame himself for the people that died and Ginny would eventually come to terms with her feelings and move on while Harry stayed stuck in the past because of how mentally fucked up Voldemort made him.

I couldn't fit it but I had more to write on the post-war potential drarry relationship both the obvious fannon but how I'd picture a cannon storyline between Draco and Harry that is not confirmed as cannon. Either way I don't ship Hinny, I think it's stupid and Ginny Weasley does not need a man, she should've ended up with Cho Chang cause they would've been hot together dammit. And Harry's bisexual and had an unhealthy school rivalry obsession with Draco so Drarry just makes more sense-and is my literal love life history. As for Drarry, I ship it long after the war. In both the cannoned area and the Fannoned area cause they're fricken wizards man I don't need to explain how gay wizards can get. For Fannon Verse I like to imagine a Drarry eighth-year-relationship development fic where everyone slowly overcomes the events the war had on them all, or a ten years after the war fanfic where Harry and Draco meet again and fall in love and its cute and Harry's the openly bisexual man who helps his closeted gay boyfriend-Draco-and also his godson Teddy who calls Harry "dad" cause Harry raises him with Andromeda and then Draco is there with his son Scorpius and the two come together an become their own little happy post-war-ten-years-later family joking about their time at school when Draco picked on Harry. Draco's parents have gotten over the whole pride since they've adapted by this point and Draco's parents go to dinner with the Weasleys and it's a bit stiff but nobody's killing each other so thats progress. As for career choice Draco's stayed the same he's a potion shop owner. And for Harry I do not see him as an auror or head auror for that matter, he'd been dealing with the stress of Voldemort for years so I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to be a full-time stay-at-home dad to Teddy and living off his inheritance from his late parents which the Potters I thought were like semi-rich and plus he still had the opportunity of owning Godric's Hollow and fixing it up for him, Teddy, and Andromeda. Astoria's part stays the same, she only married Draco temporarily for appearances and making it so Scorpius wasn't born a bastard out of wedlock but instead he's born an heir to the Malfoys. Scorpius has no relation/contact with the Greengrasses and his own birth mother just wants to live off her life in luxury being single and ready to mingle in some foreign country outside the united kingdom. Therefore Astoria is in Spain or America and doesn't bother raising Scorpius nor is she seen as a mother figure, just an Egg Donor or a Surrogate. And so thats her role in all of this. And for the cannoned version that doesn't actually exist but I wish it did, a similar post-war story of Harry overcoming his traumatic events in group therapy an Draco being in the same clinical group therapy as him and a relationship develops overtime through both group therapy but then a slow build from enemies-to-friends-to-lovers-wizard story.

Yep. He stood back to back with Harry ready for anything in the graveyard, tried to plea for a replay quidditch game after Harry fell off his broom due to the dementors, and told Harry how to get his clue from his egg. All around good bloke and honorary imo Gryffindor.

Didn’t the anagie already do