"Bastion is not top 5" is truly one of the most shocking statements ever made

Full Agreement Aegis: Shield dome buff is insane. Still blocks mech abilities and shield health is so high it rarely if ever dies Arachnos: absolute shit late game but fairly powerful early game), Ares (basic doesn't equal bad, but falls off later on Bastion: Nothing subtle about this guy. Get in the enemy's face, and blast em with all you've got. Gatecrasher: unironically main it. First legendary I got due to playoff event. Ion pod has insane splash radius and an often overlooked ability is its ion pod can pierce shields. Being able to finish off or harass Bastions with shields up is a good tool. The ability to flush out hiding Zephyrs and coward helix Killshots/Nomads and into the open is very nice as well. Try this combo with a Surge/Killshot/Nomad friend: Stick an ion pod onto them, get them to charge into the enemy team. Beware of allied barriers however. Ion pod can stick to them. Juggernaut: Affordable price tag, and performs decently. A bit on the slow side, but otherwise okay to use in lower tiers. M.D: It's true that you don't get much damage out of M.D, but in a game where it is the (currently) ONLY source of team healing, being able to out-attrition the enemy is actually something to consider. My friend sometimes runs M.D (we're hovering around 6.5k SP), and being able to recover health on Bastion and Gatecrasher is actually nutty, though being down an actually powerful mech does come back to bite us sometimes. It helps that you get a guaranteed legendary healing implant from gear hub. I think you're accentuating the negative in its low damage, but otherwise in full agreement. Nomad: Its damage reduction after dashing makes it surprisingly resilient, and being able to close distance with sniper mechs safely is a high value ability. Being able to charge 75+ meters in three seconds is truly nutty if there are enemies to bounce off of. Still being weak to EMP sucks. Onyx: The quad rockets being able to land backstabs is indeed truly nutty on the damage. Panther: Being able to lock down entire sections of map with the barrier is super powerful. I do see it in FFA from time to time, but not often. Paragon: It exists. Its mobility is lackluster, but not outright bad. Redeemer: Being able to shrug off EMP is huge, but otherwise can't do anything super powerful with its ability that affects team fights. It does come in clutch though in FFA, especially if someone spawns behind you. Scorpios: Its mobility is quite good, but the javelin array does a bit lackluster damage. Sentinel: The tall shield doesn't even block javelins and helix racks half the time, which goes against their video introducing it (hell in that video, you can SEE jav racks going over the shield). BUT yeah, he does take some getting used to. The shield doesn't block to the side as much as you'd expect so you can be poked on the flanks from time to time, but is perfectly servable as a sort of tank/attacker hybrid that trades raw damage for extra durability and survivability. Shadow: Fun but ineffective. A good summary. It does have its place though in dodging early midgame javelin rack spam/hell, but is otherwise rather short on raw damage and health. Slingshot: Killshot but worse. Mobility and jav racks = unfun to fight, fun to use. Stalker: When you can acquire stalker, it is good for its rank. Being able to self sustain is huge, and rocket mortars offer a safe way to take advantage of its damage amp. Otherwise its frailty at higher level makes it a poor investment. Surge: THIS. FUCKER. If I could remove one mech from the game it'd be this piece of shit. During my early game days, it was just "here's a 3 star surge that stuns and killsyou and you can do nothing about it." There's no skill to this thing. Just go hurr durr, ima stun the enemy and shoot them while they can't do anything. Thank god I can actually counter it now that I have Guardian and Eclipse. If I see a Surge user, you bet I'm going out of my way to kill them, even if it costs me the game. There's no insight here. Just kill all Surge mechs with extreme prejudice. Debatable: Cheetah : You'd be surprised how little people look down. And even in low traffic areas enemy mechs sometimes step onto them. Especially if they're bots that are mono-focused on you. There's also close quarter shenanigans with dropping mines on people in their face. Its also among the smallest mechs in the game, and lets it get away with being unnoticed behind small props. Mines can also ward of players from CPs, which can buy time for points victory. Probably deserves its D tier, but it's not absolute garbage. Eclipse : Only real debate is it should be below Aegis and Bastion. It's very strong in 1v1 engagements, and the chaotic nature of FFA, but has no way to affect larger battles. An enemy team with awareness and group cohesion can quickly pick you off. Hemlock: Should be renamed to Stunlock. It's ironic. They did a whole post about "we reduced the stun time of Zephyre, Surge and Bastion because it's unfun to play against." And then they introduce this piece of work. If they have cooldown implants, they can actually stunlock you unless their allies break you out of it. I fought a player using Hemlock with maxed cooldown implant in CPC, and they were actually smart enough to not kill me. They just stunlocked me for 30 seconds before I gave up and manually switched mechs. Is it uselss in FFA? Yes. In CPC? Depends on map layout. Probably lowest of S tier. Killshot: Very glass cannony mech. While I agree it's easy to learn, it's ability to affect battles depends on map type. If it's open and little cover, it's not worth even considering. If there's small walls to hide behind, throw on some helix racks and harass the enemy. Or disc launchers. Lancer: It doesn't deal much damage, but early game, play it smart and you're untouchable on some maps. Hiding on top of buildings makes you invisible to most weapons, and even with a single jav 4, you can deal harassment damage to enemies safely (at least in the very low tiers). I also got some mileage out of it by equipping shotguns on it and using high ground to ambush, land a few shots and jump to safety. If you have a decent map to use it on, and half decent platforming skills, i think it could be bumped up to low C. Puma: Panther but worse. Really the only debatable thing is that you undersold its low HP. It dies if so much as a light breeze hits it. A single longarm user can easily destroy the barrier and Puma if it has line of sight, and longarms are fairly common at lower ranks as one of the first uncommon weapons people pick up. Redox: Debatable due to map type. On the recent 5v5 artifact maps (not the most recent ones), there is alot of corners in tight spaces, letting caustic blast hit through walls. Applying stasis to that large group of people gives a huge edge in fights while being completely safe yourself. On open fields though, tough luck. Still fully agree in that it's way to overpriced and not useful on a huge majority of the maps. Zephyr: Implant dependent. If you have maxed radius and cooldown, you can disrupt the flow of team fights very often. Otherwise, agree with you. Full Disagreement: Brickhouse (With a coordinated team (or lucky with bots) 200% damage boost to allies is nuts. Have you ever experienced being boosted by an allied Brickhouse while you're using dual minigun 16? It also can be a monster in FFA, having enough hp to survive and an attack steroid that doesn't increase damage taken to keep killing. Absolute minimum top of A) Guardian: That credit is well deserved. Guardian is a mainstay in my hangar, as its System Crash really IS that good. Removing EMP on allies after a surge/zephyr pulse, or stasis/shield dome spam clears a path for your teammates at the click of a button. It's also able to hard counter the zero skill surge users. You can system crash as they charge at you, and their EMP gets nullified. Have you ever seen a Surge user flail around wildly ineffectively? Very cathartic. Its biggest weakness is it is slow and the standard 30 meter range for its ability. It's also the longest cooldown in the game. Belongs in S up with Bastion and Eclipse. Orion: ever since the EM rifle nerf, I haven't seen them as often. Orion is still strong, but with the new eclipse and nomad being almost dedicated hard counters, they need team protection or otherwise better battlefield awareness. If people say Orion is weak, they probably haven't witnessed a chain flair happen. Hunter's Mark being able to jump to different mechs makes it really powerful on 3 point CPC. Being able to shred Bastions as well is also quite insane. Probably deserves a spot above Gatecrasher. No comment: Tengu: This mech is actually used? I've only seen it like seven times that I can count. not enough experience for me to note anything on it other than it's uber rare to fight against or play with.

"Hemlock is not very good at CPC" Bots: ......and we took that personally

Nice Job Ruffles ✌️. Surprised to see Gate and Onyx in S tier but they deserve to be in S tier if you are able to use them effectively.

overall, as a general list, it's very good, I agree with most of it. However it's a bit hard to mix diff modes and factor in accessability or low/high level. Ideally there should be a top 10 for each mode (2v2, cpc...) and maybe even for low-mid-end game seperately. But that's a lot of lists :D Thanks for the great content!

Good video. They should have made Tengu 24e instead of Cheetah. The ability is too unique for the mech to end up as blah.

I think that Hidezo/Tengu is the only mech whos ability provides him with so many effects: 1) Jump aka mobility 2) Stasis effect aka control 3) Stealth aka some survivability 4) AoE aka mastermind multikills 5) Damage aka -1 Any other mech has maximum 3 effects but this guy... this guy is scary. Well he would have been scary, if he wasn't an expensive light mech

I would say arachnos deserves to be in tier D and cheetah is definitely better.

I've been very happy with my little Orion + EM Rifle build. It does by far the most damage in my hangar. Destructive little dude

with the context of costs i gotta agree with the D tier placements. at max redox is oviosly better than aracnos, because more stats. one issue with it tho: Lensir for C tier

I don't own Redox but I thought about getting it just for 2vs2. It's a pain to fight against in smaller indoor maps. Just feels weak on larger maps.

I agree. Orion is very underrated. I have disc 8s and EM Rifles on it and WOW. Just WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Well, maxed out Lancer with Helix or Javelin shows up mid game more than you think.

Rise of Aegis with Dome that makes you immune to EMP but a bullet in Surge's knee. All you need is to block Surge from getting in, and you are all good. Just like with Panther glitch, where you could have fully blocked Killshot's damage by standing to close to the barrier

as someone who is joining Mech arena during the Holidays, this was SOOOO FUNNY to watch!

I really appreciate the mech intros XD also great tier list

I would agree with this layout. Seems pretty balanced overall. I think speed and stealth supersedes most things then use of indestructible shields mechs next. Makes sense even if I back away from every bastion to prevent the emp. Haha

Guardian is kinda the main way players have a chance against some of the op mechs. Especially surges and zephyrs

When you got to lancer, all I could think of was Hamstgun😂 Love those edits for each mech btw!

Good tier list, that is perfect imo, I just have one question. If you do have the crash range for guardian where would you place him? I was thinking high A tier.

Thanks for the video, really appreciate it.

The bombastic Redeemer LMAO

Nice video enjoyed this one you no MAYER makes all those C and D tier Mechs look S tier with his Gameplay.

one of my favorite builds is nade launcher brickhouse, and it works surprisingly well

Me, the resident Stalker main, the one who upgraded both Tengu and Shadow to 10 energy: this is not okie dokie

i have a fun idea, how about ranking every pilot? (only based on their bio and not rarity)

The top 5 mechs were exactly what I wanted my final hangar to be 😂

So nice to see a teir list vid again

How dare you tear up my dreams. People always have trouble fighting my Arachnos.

great top 6 its kinda my future maxed hanger but with just 1 more 32 mech in it prob onyx or guard if i get the range implant

Very Informative video!

I would move Brickhouse up a tear just for his viability in F4all. Like you said the only thing stalker has over The Big B is that he can heal (I know he gets better healing in F4all but that doesn't matter if he dies). Brickhouse offers such a large amount of survivability that even in older game modes he can do rly well. So when given the ability to melt through the others mechs with his ability while being able to survive, three or so fights even without the healing. Overall I feel a lot of the tanks were massively buffed through F4all. Brickhouse is the only mech I know of that can survive being attacked by multiple enemies at once and survive long enough to kill one, heal an then kill the other. For reference this is the perspective of someone whos not quite at end game with maxed bots, They use EM, a lot of Mini Gun, and all at above 5*. My last point for why Brickhouse is rly good is that the meta mostly revolves around "cant hit me if you're already dead" which incentivizes high energy mechs or high dmg abilities (directly or indirectly - so I count Surge and the like too). Because of Brickhouses abilitly giving such a strong buff even to team mates, hes great at killing before it can even get damaged, and can still live when that doesnt work. So basically I'm saying Brickhouse should be at least middle A tear.

Cheetah with disruptors is excellent. Nimble, and as someone chases you after you almost kill them they hit your mines and bye bye.

Ruffles, love your videos bro. you now need to do a Tier List on Weapons ASAP. 👍✊️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

What is the optimal use of multiple hangers? One each for 2v2, solo 5v5, and team 5v5? When can you choose which hanger to use? After accepting a friend battle and seeing which battle type your friend chooses? After seeing which map?

MD can be a good asset in a team but aside for the healing factor is not worth upgrading it you want to progress

I remember I quit the game when Onyx got released. That was during the Pilots as well, so it was a bit of a PTSD for me with the War Robots scare: Pilots, implants, bots with more than 2 loadouts, and then it would be drones. I played WR before, and then switched to MA cause it was way more balanced. And then when pilots dropped with the implants, and then Onyx with 'third weapon slot', I was seeing the same trend repeating itself with MA, and it was too much for me at the time. I thought "soon a bot with 4 loadouts would happen and then eventually, what's the difference to WR?"

i seriously love Shadow, as i am tier 5 and don't have eclipse, Shadow is op with close-up weapons, and i think it deserves better than C-rank, at least between Arachnos and Slingshot

Hello, I'm planning on buying my next mech Shadow, Guardian, Tengu and Stalker are released which one would you recommend I buy?

16:09 why do u gotta do me like that😔

I also want to share how much i am enjoying using Lancer and MD at 4 stars, killing all tier II and III mechs , mostly equipped them with helix rack. ( I now put a strong and weak team at my garage) So fun being the MVP all the time yet being the weakest mech in game. Lancer let you reach and hide at impossible locations, and MD make the whole armature team thankful to you. If someone has only 200 USD budget to play this game, they can't go very far with legendary mechs, yet with Lancer and MD there can be a lot of fun. While I still agree with your ranking, for a standard climb up the ladder way of game progress.

Nice video Ruffles waiting for GAUSS RIFLE CHEETAH gameplay

This is a very very fair Tier list. Personally, I would put Killshot and Redeemer at peak A-Tier, because I'm biased towards them, and also because they are my most effective mechs (at 5k hangar level). Also, Screw Guardian!

what do you think the best weapon for aegis against players, I'm thinking DLs but I don't know

Orion with vipers, Quantum guns, and helix racks...even carbines

let me know if you turn this into a progression video, like what to buy and upgrade from game start to late game... like an ideal progression. For example, if Aegis is S-tier Tier V, then why get any Tier 6/7 mechs.

Thank you for not disrespecting my Onyx, and my reedemer....btw hes S tier, but since they took auto lock off of EMs hes probably a low A, Much love ❤️ haven't played for a year, and im glad to see my hanger is still standing strong. Glad see my agis is doing ok too. I question his existence in my hanger sometimes lol.

Alright alright you convinced me to build up my gatecrasher instead of guardian. I think I will put double missile 12s until i max him, then I’ll put double DL 16s or EM16s

The jugee price is 325 a-coins

I dont think panther would shine as much as aegis if it wasnt for the 32 power

I tend to base majority of my opinions on this matter on how annoying/difficult opposing mechs of this sort are to kill. With that being said, I like your list. I'm personally switching Gatekeeper and Orion's positions, and putting Guardian over Gatekeeper because Guardian up close is just devastating, and he can control areas of maps with his ability fairly well. He counters surge, erases debuffs on teammates, erases shields and mines and makes eclipse visible and targetable again. He's just so slow so not great on cpc. I don't think Redeemer is over hyped either. I see him constantly get trashed. I think he's a must have on cpc with helix or javs. So fun and useful. Great list overall. 👍

I think the rebalance of arcs and discs are pretty good, though i think discs will really be hurt. They really depend on splash and back damage for success. I hard disagree about a sniper meta though. Speed meta is still a thing. Rail 16s are the only rails i will use. 12s are too weak and take both mags to deal with a Bastion, then you are hiding for awhile to build back up ammunition. EM users i counter with speed and dash mechs, seeker, i think storm racks and missile racks for slow moving mechs will be a better choice.

you are doing a good job thank you

I dont disagre w the tiers it self, but i would chamge positions in eatch ones. the only 2 exceptions are: bastion. I may place it in A tier or at least in end of S. Because its uses become more situational or negleteble. Onyx, because of its speed and weapons placement its uses are very limited. So A tier for me. PS: In terms os look, Onyx is 1st in tier S and Hemlock folows it

I can say with certainty that Juggernaut is 325 a coins, and that’s because I somehow went my entire early development stage without buying it, and still haven’t bothered.

I knew MD would be S tier 😅

Now ruffles where would you toss vortex based off of your limited playing with him?

I rock rails on orion its good for quick kills, and can 2 shot a max bastion

Juggernaut was only credits when I got it and it was only 320,000 credits

Lol you hurt me with lancer at D. I still rock my lancer 😂

Brickhouse and Orion are team player mechs, 2 Aegis (to make continuous dome) and a Brickhouse in formation are a nightmare for the opposite team.

Redox is pretty useful mech for a sniper build so I would atleast put him in B.

Finally it came

Idk i think guardian, hemlock, zephyr and surge can go into the "Istg if ai spawns behiend me 1 more time i will break my keyboard" tier.

These lists are dangerous lol just viewed my last comment and agree… But I think puma is best Meta. I mean he has so much HP!

I think Onyx and Gatecrasher are under Guardian. Both have good physical strength, but their skills are not game-changing.

Living is always optional GOT ME ROLLING 😂😂

Hey, let's be honest. Cheetah is no longer a light mech. Yeah, mine damage falls of rather quickly. Especcially when enemy team has a dashing over he mines Killshot. But that is beyond the point. What important, is that it can run two EM 12.

Damn lots of comments since I watched yesterday lol.. Bastion is overrated 😏 I'm glad they buffed Aegis (even tho made it less skillful mech)

Hahah i really loveee this video 🤣❤️

Hemlock is top 5 for me, not super good in ffa but not bad

I was trying to find a reaction for puma above areas because i know how people are reacting rn 😂😂

Ya with gate enemies can't take cover for too long

Nice, but tier list based on a mech's skill ceiling when? 🤨

Actually I think redox is really good because with his ability he make his enemies slower then him and can damage them through walls which almost no mech can do and he has 32 energy capacity. Am I right?

Yo bro its shocking how he said kill shot is in b hes a s because he has carried me so much and also with lancer I have javelin racks 4 and they're good in my opinion:)

ayo wut that spike doin

Las presentaciones de los mech , con la música me recuerdan al súper smash Bros amigo😁👍👊👊 Aegis y bastion los tanques de temer ,y cheetan siempre nos matan sus minas😅además como hace para soltarlas cuando está con el Pem, y te elimina 😅😅, y de guardia,ya que están que reciclan mech, falta la versión épica o legendaria , de guardia, más rápido o mayor alcance Buen video amigo ,pero a mí me gustan más los mech exploradores, 😁👍💥💯

It is strange that the fifth Bastion in S, because it is not killable, and the speed is good. And Redux is undervalued. he is not an attacker or a tank, he attacks from an ambush and his skill can also be used as a radar. I think he's A, because of its low speed.

For me Panther is the number 1 Not because he is better on every mod of the game like eclipse , but because of that shocking statis shield that can block and hold any amount of damage. I personally own it, and I can say that if you put some pair of disc launcher on it, you are basically wooping anybody on the game.

Where did the hate for kill shot come from?

It seems like this list could be broken-out for different play modes. CPC vs 2v2. Also solo vs team play. MD, Brickhouse, Aegis, Vortex are best for team play, but would rank lower if you play solo.

juggernaut's price is actually the same as puma

I use my reedeemer for helix racks

Dude!!! I do get why you put lancer in D, but I don't like it 😕 because I love lancer, it has been my top mech from the beginning and I'm still using it against op bits and players. Lancer if you work with it, is better than any other 16 mech and it was the first one with a Facebook group dedicated solely to it ❤. Too many people dismiss the little mech, but it's the 16 energy mech that it's seen more often. In my hands and in the hands of a few others, it a solid mid B. But, good job on the list

We have to wait for weapons?

Update? Would love if you made the list and THEN talked about why they are where they are.

"Idk what this guy lookin at!" "Emotional damage" "No" "I dont think hamptr will forgive u" "This thing" "Idk anymore man" "Yeah i did it *ducky music*" "Help, my mech arena is vertical again" "Woe is me" "Ayo what that spike doin?"(i just realized lol) Are the best I agree with everything tbh

where would you put the new seeker?

New content opportunity o.o

Pretty accurate

Juggernaut is a decent mech in the lower brackets. However I don't believe that it should be bought. Since when you are a new player, 375 acoins can seem like quite a lot. And when you realise that it's not a lot of acoins, it's already to late. I do want them to buy it as soon as they can though. I just want them to realise it. love you banes for the mechs by the way #PumaOP

We need a list for every role

the redox and lancer slander hurt my feewings but i understand it, but otherwise very valid list (Scorpius deserves S)

Can u make a vid where what’s the meta builds

My poor stalker😭😭 Personally I think that stalker is endgame.

I think it's good 👍nice

Bro redox got dumped😂

Petition to rename every mech what ruffles called them. Lmao 🤣🤣

thanks for doing this, but put the names on. all these tier lists just have pictures. I don't know the f'n mechs by sight. That's why I'm reading tier lists online... add names on next.