Loyalist primarchs should have far more significant buffs for their armies. While traitor primarchs should be significant individual threats. The Lion and Gman should have army wide buffs they can choose from. With more impact than “add 1 to wound roll”.

"Leman Russ is the last major divergent chapter whos got a living Primarch to return." VULKAN. LIVES.

There is no way Guilliman is only 65 points less useful than Angron.

Magnus does in fact have apocalyptic levels of shooting damage. The sheer amound of carnage ive cause in one round of shooting with him is astounding

I finally can walk through walls with Roboute. I'm ready for him to be mid at best

One fluffy thing I’d love the lion to have is the ability to give the deep strike keyword to a unit during set up and that unit must deep strike within 3” of the lion to reflect that he often brings other astartes with him when he forest walks

i want peter turbo and his own codex to come out would be great

tbh the single biggest buff that the lion got in the most recent data slate wasn't his fnp working properly, it was his new ability to cool-aid man his way through walls shouting "Here's (el) Johnny!"

For the love of Nurgle, give Morty 7 strike attacks.

It's a good thing Mortarion is a cool looking model, otherwise I would have just pissed away 200 dollars.

Excuse me, Commissar? I have heard that there were twenty primarchs, but counting them up I only see eighteen. Are there two other primarchs which I don't- (Bolter Shot)

Im hyped to see the new fulgrim mini and rules when emperor's children get their own codex soon (as in years soon)

Mortarion being cheaper that Guilliman is crazy.

Loyalist primarchs being so lackluster is so disappointing, specially compared to Angron and Magnymagic which are obscenely good. It should be a huge deal seeing them back, and yet all they are is shelf decoration.

Imagine if when we get a Jaghattai Kahn model, he has a 20 inch movement, auto advance 6, and can advance, shoot, and charge in the same turn. 99% sure that would be broken, but it would be funny

They did morty SO dirty this edition

I think I'd take Gman if his armour of fate wasn't a once only deal. A 3+ as you say is unreliable it could fail the first roll or he could repeatedly get up the entire game, I think that would be more interesting. Especially when Angron works like that also. Additionally I think he could do well with some passive aura to boost the troops around him.

I have Angron, Magnus, and The Lion. Angron and Magnus have single handedly won me games. The Lion sure looks cool.

Compare Lion and the Ctan Nightbringer at similar points… I don’t know what the DA did to the B-team writers but they can go suck it 😂

Shame Guillimans Fist isn't classed as extra attacks, as its a different weapon, most units have extra attacks from their secondary weapon.

Guilliman's Armour of Fate feels like a rule written by an exasperated mom whose kid cried after seeing Angron. You would think he had used up that card already.

I love Angron. My buddy plays Ynnari and Angeon and Yncarne went toe to toe with Angron just barely coming out on top. Was fantastic.

it always surprises me that nobody really talks about lorgar and corvus coming back since we know they had a physical encounter post heresy and are out there

Lol my castellan robots reflect just as well as the emporer shield. Better actually we have more wounds and (variably) more toughness. That's comedic.

As an Iron Hands player, I will keep hoping for the servo-primarch.

Fulgrim Christmas Box, who's with me

Laughs in the Necrons bringing basically 2-4 a list. But yeah can like the Loyalist Primarchs maybe get 10 Toughness? Like they already got a Throw Away aura, less HP, and Less Damage.

Recently ran the lion where i had him rapid in to go tank hunting. He managed to kill two chaos predator tanks and a forgefiend before dying to the deadly demise.

I like sandman of terra's theory that the khan will be the next Loyalist back

C'mon bring back Constantin Valdor! (I know he's not a Primarch, but he got the Primarch keyword in HH.)

Magnus is just so regal and cool

Lion lost his -1 to wound Why!?!?

When I play my World Eaters, anytime I go first and advance and charge (happens more often than you’d think) Angron is always in the opponent deployment zone turn one and turning their entire battle strategy on its head, even if for one turn. It lets me take board control, score on primaries and position other heavy hitting units, MOE, DPW w/zerker glaive, Avocado Lord and E8B move fast af too. I love my WE.

As more primarchs arrive, I think GW needs to step back and revisit them. They need to decide what they want them to be in this game and try to bring them to par with each other to a certain baseline degree. I feel like they should all be auto-include for any competitive list and yet they simply are not, with some being wildly more powerful than others.

I never played SM, but i dont understand how Guilliman and the Lion are not seeing play. On paper their stats are bonkers.

Fulgrim incoming. Late 2024 imo. I've been waiting for 5 years for him

I really think it shouldn’t take a lot for the Loyalist Primarchs to be just as good as their chaotic counterparts. They’d just need to fill different battlefield roles, in contrast to “well here’s a consolation prize for playing Ultramarines: your mid-ass Primarch”. Have them be more stratagem focused, and maybe remove one aura from each daemon Primarch as they’re supposed to be freight trains you drive into whatever’s bothering you.

As someone who owns all of the demon ones, Magnus is absolutely bonkers and Head and shoulders above the rest. I expect a points increase.

Very much looking forward to some of the Undivided Primarchs. Unless you're playing Black Legion the Epic Heroes section of CSM is pretty bare.

Angron's come back ability was so much stronger in 9th : you could move and charge the same turn you came back if you paid ebough blood tithe, and you could EASILY revive 2 or 3 times in the same game. Glorious times. ...Now, if you come back once, you can consider yourself happy, and you'll spend a turn doing nothing because you can't move after arriving as reinforcements.

My head cannon is that the emperors shield is what gives the lion fights first making it a powerful enough artefact to be justly called the emperors shield.

I feel like gulliman isn't THAT tough to protect now that he can walk through walls. Put some infiltrators around him, have a Phobos librarian lead them, and now you have a 12" lone op no deep strike bubble

Pair the Lion with a lieutenant with combi weapon so they both have lone operative and he can stomp over the board fairly safely, good for countering people trying to snipe him before he can get into melee and then you get fight first if they try to charge you when you get here.

Three times I have lost Mortarion full health to a squad of 10 assault intercessors with blood angels. There is something to be said against a flurry of lethal/lance attacks and it's just fucking depressing when a 2+/4+/5+ means absolutely nothing...

I lost a game against world eaters where i tabled thek but they brought back angron every turn of the game so even though i was able to kill every unit and score secondaries i lost to a fixed pick with my opponent charging me 4 times from deep strike 1 time naturally with angron 😢

Still waiting on the return of Corvus Corax.

Angron needs Dev wounds on his strike or to be less points. Usually dies round 1 or 2 and the game turns into fishing for Khorne

The demon Primark’s get the benefits of being trans human at the top of the food chain as they are literally what their legions gene seed is based on, and they get the benefits of being blessed by one or four chaos gods

Magus is the strongest primarch hands down followed by angron, lion is okay his overall role is okay not bad but average, morty and guilly are weak. Guilly just need points changes and he fine but morty really needs a rework to make him an actual threat since he really doesnt have a defining role in the army though ppl will argue he is tanky. I dont feel that since magnus can give himself -1 to damage, angron can come back, lion can be deepstriked and is very durable overall, and guillimen having lone op with units means you have to chew though alot just to get to him vs a 4+ fNP and cover fro passive. He doesnt have great abilities compared to the other primarchs and i hope the codex fixes that

I went to the time stamps to look for Sanguinous... I feel upset :(

I mean, for models? No Loyalist primarch is a cooler sculpt than any of the 3 current traitor primarchs, I own Mortarion, and Angron. If I get an opportunity to ever start a T-Sons army, Magnus is well to the front for purchases, the only Loyalist one I have is Guilliman, but I freely admit that the Lion being a thing makes me strongly consider starting a DA force

I may of missed AT saying it but magnus can also get sustained hits 1 for all his attacks with the army sub rule, which in combination with the +1 to hit and wound means your doing both dev wounds and sustained hits on 5+ so on average your probably getting 9+ attacks on his melee strike potentially dealing a kind 27 wounds ,some of which may be dev, if saves are not made especially now with twist of fate adding an additional -2 ap onto the attacked unit making it -5, so if your vehicle or centrepiece model has no invulnerable save you can say bye to it very quickly

Daemon primarchs should be huge individual threats and have a couple of handy army buffs, whereas loyalist Primarchs should be okay individual threats, and should have huge army wide buffs.

Personally I think they are all pretty damn awesome and flavorful (also in casual games can really mess things up!)

Excellent display of form Alpharius

I started playing 40k in February of this year. I'm an Ultramarines player, so Guilliman naturally pinged my radar; ultimately chose not to buy him for the reasons mentioned in the video. Consider this: the Nightbringer is 295 points, the Avatar of Khaine is 335 pts, the Hive Tyrant is 235 pts, and so on. All of these are tougher than Guilliman, they deal the same or more damage, and all have some cool aura ability or several cool aura abilities. Guilliman really only has 1.5 good auras, and the lone op ability really isn't *that* great - especially considering the fact that he really *needs* to get into melee to justify his existence. It gets even worse when you consider the recent nerf to the lone op ability. The loyalist Primarchs need to lose the "monster" keyword (6 Eradicators can shoot G man down in one shooting phase) and just let the "Primarch" keyword define them, yes, I know that they're warp demigods, but the chaos primarchs are *actual* monsters. They need the monster keyword, the loyalists do not. All Primarchs need to be T11 on account of the fact that they're centerpiece models made in the likeness of the Emperor. It'd be nice if the two loyalists were bumped up to 13 wounds. That, and G man needs to come down to something closer to 275 pts; I'd be fine with 300 if he got the above changes. I feel like the Lion is in a better spot; he seems fine at 300, so long as he gets the above changes I mentioned.

I haven't watched this video yet, but if it's not our Lord and Savior Roboute Guilliman, I will dye my hair white and join the battle sisters. And yes I am a man, I will find a way.

Here as a salamander crying with firey tears 😂 gonna be while before our primarch returns

Looks like Chaos Primarchs are > Imperial Primarchs

VULCAN LIVES STOMP STOMP VULCAN LIVES STOMP STOMP

I’m glad Johnson isn’t a joke in this edition in ninth I found a way to make a gravis Captain tough and harder to kill than him with blood angels

7:32 "Author of the Codex"? So it's Guilliman's fault that it's so shit?? And here I was blaming GW for 10th's poor writing...

It seems, Angron and Magnus didn't sold themself very well.

Poor Bobby G... That's the problem with being a spreadsheet god in a table top battle game.

The tweak you suggested for the Emperor's Shield is absolutely correct, GW should really consider it to make the Lion really viable again. Also I would say that Guilliman would be viable with a 3++ and revive on a 2+ (let's consider that several other auto-revival units have this ability as automatic or on a 2+)

With him being a perpetual, Vulkan might very well be alive, Jaghatai Khan might also be alive somewhere in either the webway and I believe Corvus Corax is also alive. I am not saying they are larger chance than Russ, but I feel like there are more living loyalist or potentially living primarchs than Russ

14:57 i know its not great, but ive always wanted to deepstrike Lion and just a shitload of Rievers and just, bring the fear.

I would love if the Kahn came back next I think it would make sense because drukari being next editions big bad is likely

Vulcan lives! Sacrilege not mentioning he's still alive as well..

One day Rogal Dorn my beloved, one day.

I play Death Guard, People absolutely HATE Mortarion. Or More accurately they Hate the *"Lord Of The Death Guard Aura"* Ignoring peoples special -1 to hit or wound or move or damage or etc. just drives people crazy. This results in 1 of 3 things happening, they spend most of their time trying to kill him and succeed and I out score them and win. They fail to kill him and he wipes everything he runs into, if slowly. Or they ignore him and he is a massive pain in their ass the entire game.

You should do this for all faction commanders.

Im a deathguard main, but I Haven’t kept myself informed for a few months on the new dataslates, why is the passive ingores modifiers of Mortarion doesn’t work anymore with the plagueburst Crawler

Get rekt loyalists

i'd like to see a chaptermaster video

Weirder is going to be a Primarch leading two chapters; Rogal Dorn 1:43

Sad to see Guilliman like this. He s the best for strategie. He should be able to autorize a deep strike + charge to a unit once per turn, command to space ship, offer free strata OR win one PC per turn..moreover his sword should have a bonus against chaos.

Still waiting for Jaghatai to return.

Vulkan has a datasheet!

Due to current lore with the emporer being the imperium active version of a chaos God,it should deffo b lorgar next "oi,gulliman,lion and marines of all stripe ,told ya so" then have corax at the same time chasing him out of the warp the time ,setting and lore demands this b so but it'll probably just b here's ure slaanesh representation hehe

Guilliman is poo, standard Morkanaut or dreadknight or old one eye, which are all vastly cheaper and capable of slapping the blue berry tart to 50K, I wouldn’t use that nugget at all, the balance team must have read indirect fire in his profiles somewhere.

See, I think Mortarion is auto include. He is a cheap 325, he is a massive bullet magnet. He is the most survivable primarch, and his attacks aren't useless. The death guard are about survivability, so it makes sense that he isn't as dangerous as Angron. But he does his job, he is killy enough but more than absorbs his points in attacks made against him than other things. If people ignore him, he will end up in their back field killing things and buffing your shooting. If they focus on him, the rest of your army goes untouched.

Yeah if we only count the 4 chapters that has gotten their individual codex Russ would be the most likely to return as Sanguinius is well and truly DEAD. However if we possibly still living Primarchs we also have: Jaghatai Khan, that last anybody saw of him he chased some drukhari who had been raiding his planet into a portal. So the Khan might still be alive. Corax last we saw of him he had transformed into a warp creature hunting Lorgar (beating the snot out of him) so he might return. Vulcan we saw him being disintegrated into pure waaagh energy, however the Salamanders still hold to the idea that if they gather all of his artifacts, he will return. So maybe he could return there. Dorn is in a bit of a limbo, one version tells that the fists found his body and placed it in a chapel on the Phalanx and encased it in clear amber. Another version said they only found his hand. So he MIGHT still be alive or he might be dead. Ferrus Manus... if they want him to return they could go clone. Fabius Bile clone several copies of him, all of which Fulgrim tried to turn to chaos, all of which failed, which caused Fulgrim to kill them. You could always go with one escaped. Clone Fulgrim.. he wasn´t a traitor and seemed to show genuine remorse for what his counter part did, so there is a possibility that he could return. That´s the remaining loyalist primarch. So far among the dead traitor primarchs we have: Horus, (though he might return since the Emperor didn´t erase his soul this time around. Alpharious (We have yet to see if Omega survived or if Gulliman killed him or if that was copy, one story could suggest the Alpha Legion thinks he is still alive but in hiding) Curze (there is a possibility that his soul is trapped in his crown so he could return that way) All the others are still around.

Need to bring back Sanguinious

Im personally hoping for Leman Russ or a for the sanguinor to get a primarch buff. Feels like the loyalists should finally get a really killy primarch thats just a blender of death like angron.

Kind of wish that they were not playable on the tabletop.

G-man feels like he's so close to being good. His melee is kinda better than lion somehow. he has a self revive(Though it's the hardest 3 I've ever had to roll, despite it being better than 50% chance to hit it I have a negative ratio for it lol) reviving at the end of phase is great if G-man is defeated during enemy fight phase, cause he revives out of engagement range. And now it's your turn to pretty much guarentee some pain, his trio of abilities is in my opinion good. Two of the three are pretty good. Getting a secondary oath of moment, or a free strat(Now a minus 1 cost) ability in an area around himself on both turns(Ya it says each turn, not battle round like battle rites) He has a 2+ natural save, 4+ invul. And he can walk through walls like infantry now despite being a monster. Honestly I think what holds him back is being a bit overpriced pointwise. Lion thankfully got his reduction. Yes he has a 3+ invul, but he lost his -1 to wound on the shield for just the counter mortals. But he got stealth buffed by the dev wound change that it's sort of mortal wounds again. So his mortal wound fnp area is really useful. Only reason I see for his melee getting nerfed and being wirse than G-man is cause he has first strike. He also has deep strike, random but sometimes useful idea instead of relying on his lone operative bodyguard ability to stay alive.

So if thay all went one on one with each other witch primarchs would come out on top on average. Like the lion vs guilliman then mortarion then angron and then angron vs guilliman then magnus then mortarion .

Me just wishing I had one. I'd actually use it sad wolf noises

Guilliman being stuck in the loop of aura re roll / re rolls in general has always been boring. They bring back dozens of special keywords and his only command presence is re rolls. I understand why they are so good but throw in a tree of sustained, lethal, advance and shoot etc

Wanted to throw hands then i realised its a ranking for the game not the story

I can’t not bring Morty, and it would’ve been a waste of a week painting

Yeah yeah, but Russ when? 🙃

The lion is tricky. I’m unlucky with his melee which sucks, like his last game he had to fight 6 DeathShroud and a LoV. In two rounds of his melee he killed 2 DeathShroud. And his gain a command point aura sucks because you can’t gain it most time since every dark angels player runs Azrael. He’s still cool and I love the model so I’ll continue using him but he’s frustrating for sure

please do one for Chaos and all the daemon leaders.

Emperor's Children still got robbed with the resin Fulgrim for 30k.

My 2000 point Thousand Sons is Magnus, three exalted Sorcerers, three Rubric squads, three rhinos, and two Defilers.

Atualy the Kan prymarch and Vulkan can Com back to they are not death and for chaos ther is lorgar ho is still alive

Waiting when Gw would destroy magnus xD

Is the Khan dead ?