Thanks for all the great comments. These are the conversations we need to have as South Africans and people who love SA. Keep your own rankings coming! 😁

The Mbeki era was a time to be alive hey... Even as a kid I felt the overall vibe that we were having as a nation 💕

Thabo Mbeki, 1.Economic growth and stability: Under Mbeki's leadership, South Africa experienced significant economic growth and stability, with a focus on fiscal discipline and infrastructure development. 2.Diplomacy and international relations: Mbeki was known for his active role in African and global diplomacy, promoting peace and stability in the region and representing South Africa on the international stage. 3. Thabo Mbeki's presidency is his focus on education and skills development, which was aimed at addressing the inequalities inherited from apartheid and preparing the workforce for the demands of a modern economy.

Dr. Sizwe my brother, I also request you make a KZfaq video on BEE. To make a stats of who were/are beneficiaries, number of jobs and they're creating /or created. What industries are they in. Are weather or continue to get funding from government fin institutions etc. This will help us a great deal to examine if the current BEE that perpetuate the tenderism culture structure is the way to go or not going forward for the economic future of SA. I thank you my leader.

Mbeki and Mandela punched above their weight. They were Very good I agree with you Sizwe, great work

"Rugby world cup and stuff" part killed me😂😂😂😂😂 Great analysis bro!

You have no idea how useful and educational these topics are. Thank you

Thabo Mbeki👑 The seat belonging to the President of South Africa has been vacant since the 24th of September, 2008.

The chaos began when they removed Mbeki

Sizwe, SA was flourishing under Mbeki. Even the single Mandela term was being managed by Mbeki in the background. Thereafter, tragedy befell South Africa.

UMsholozi made the presidency more relatable to the avarage person in SA

Motlanthe deserved a longer time in office. He held the country steady, there were no allegations of corruption around him, he was thoughtful and intelligent, ethical, and he brought stability. I would have loved to see what a longer term would have brought. Unfortunately he was seen as a seat warmer for Zuma, but he could have been so much more potentially.

Mbeki's presidency was chefs kiss imo, he's actually the reason I chose to study economics. If he had gotten the HIV/Aids thing right, we would have continued on a good trajectory but it was a big fail unfortunately- I don't think he had bad intentions at all though... more misunderstood imo.

Thabo Mbeki was awesome 🔥

Aiii Sizwe you cracked me up today 😂😂😂. Brutally honest. Well done Sir 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

THABO MBEKI will always be the best president SA has ever had. Taking over from Madiba, the man that never did so much because his presidency benefited more from his social influence, the country and its economy attracted so many investors in all walks of life. The question was, who can sustain the peak of the economy that Madiba left for the country at the time and there wasn’t any other name than the Master of the Economics. Ahhh Zizi 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

Mbeki was the real makoya. I especially loved his intellectualism (I feel safe and secure having an undoubtedly smart president with a plan) and his transformation agenda (which faced the toughest resistance, but that didn't throw him off the urgency and importance he placed on transformation). Thanks for the great content, Sizwe! Top tier stuff! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

Not Sizwe opening the CR era with saying CR does not use the State to fight his battles, Ace would argue differently, Mkhwebane paid the prize, the CR17 statements are sealed, the Reserve Bank and Gqaleka are working around Phala Phala. To contrast, Zuma didn't fire Thuli. Maybe we should not be harsh on Cupcake but kubi pha kwi term yakhe. Nice episode overall.

Brilliant discussion point. Incredible unpacking of historical facts on all leaders. Well done Dr Sizwe and Team.

Crazy how I was searching this on Wikipedia in Dec, you just brought a more conversation element to it. Thanks Doc. Enjoyed it.

Mbeki will remain the best president we ever had 👌🏽

Jacob zuma will remain the best. There economy, infrastructure, and social games shout out during his terms.

Pres Mbeki will always remain the best we ever had.

Love these deep dives.

Your ranking was good and fair👏🏾but mine would look like this: 1. Mbeki (Ayeye with a bit of Very Good) my reasons are that the Economy was growing and we had a Vision aimed at uplifting Africa from the current state through the African Renaissance concept. That concept was supposed to unifier of African people in the rebuilding of the continent. 2. Mandela (Very Good with a bit of Ayeye) we must remember that he was the first president of a democratic state which was accompanied with a lot compromise in order to unify a very divided nation. Mbeki also gets the credit here because it has been mention that he was the brains behind Mandela. 3. I'll skip Montlante and go straight to Zuma and Ramaphosa both for me they belong to Failed w/o sub because a lot of what is wrong with this country today emanates from the Zuma presidency and Ramaphosa was part of that presidency. These 2 presidents failed to take advantage of the economic foundations that were put by their predecessors. Instead they were self serving as shown by the Zondo commission. Sizwe, I also want remind you of what Dr Mtimka said about lack of meritocracy in the Zuma era. You can imagine what this has done to the country since 2009.

Ayeye looks like : Free education, quality health care, high average income per household across the board, lifestyle audits and performance reports from a smaller cabinet and also smaller parliamentary membership in general. Growth of industry (blue collar and white collar) growth of innovation (tech and finance space) - generally, a booming economy. zero corruption, efficient policing, an uncaptured judiciary. state owned bank - financing entrepreneurship and re-invigorating state owned entities. ranking : Mandela - average (faced apartheid debt vs large black poor population, but no real black empowerment), Mbeki - Good (elitist, BEE created black elites, grew the white-collar space but neglected blue collar, focused on monetary/market growth gains - privatization - and less on state driven investment), Motlante - average (not enough time), Zuma - good (had mis-haps but broadly black lives were the most improved. More people did business with the gov, (real BEE), health, education was improved. Massive infrastructure development (blue collar) massive investments in internships, bursaries, and civil servants (focus on professional developments, more black graduates who got employment - i'm one of them) got a big head, missed his blind spots. allies used him to advance their interests (guptas) so in essence turned a good working model into a corrupt beneficiation. overall most PRO-Black president we've had. Ramaphosa- dismal failure. (reemergence of white supremacy, racism, and imperialism. wishy-washy. no implementation, no economic growth programmes, policing, health, and education utter failures. has no backbone and disastrous leadership. Zero charisma. empty vessel.

Great Analysis👍🏾 I feel like this needed more time.

Thabo Mbeki is my fav - history has come to judge him well. His legacy has aged like South African wine!

Again interesting , Thanks . A follow up episode based on objective factors may be worthwhile where a score from 1-10 is allocated for each criteria . Criteria could be a) Integrity [ number of exposures of dodgy issues ] , b) Competence [ number of things they said would be done , that were actually done on time ] , c) rand exchange rate at the beginning and end of their term d) FDI at the beginning and end of their term e) Number of functional schools at the beginning and end of their term f) number of graduates who left the country during their term g) Number of functional clinics and hospitals at start and end of their term h) Number of varsity graduates completing during their term split into humanities and sciences ( STEM ) , i) number of unemployed at start and end of their term j) number of failed audits in municipalities at beginning and end of their term k) crime stats numbers over their term l) number of people incarcerated during their term m) number of crime against the state persons jailed during their term without parole . n) level of infrastructure decline during their term . o) number of artisans trained and gaining employment during their term p) profitability of SOE's at the end of each year of their term q) amount each year of their term that had to be provided to support SOE's - IN my view we are voting for parties and leaders whose prime function is to spend our money wisely and effectively for the safety and improvement of the lives of all citizens , and I really don't care if I like them or not . So add up the scores and lets see the marks 😁

My comments: 1. It's great that you highlighted the legislative achievements of Mandela. Talk about the the right person at the right time! Almost "Ayeye" 2. AIDS was more of an epidemic than a pandemic - hence Mbeki is discredited. 3. Growth is one side of the equation. The other is indebtedness, which had been improved under Mbeki, but shot up sharply under Zuma. 4. A lot of the capital intensive achievements of Zuma were based on debt (i.e. borrowing from future generations). Eskom is a prime example. 5. Ramaphoria... Enough said

Insightfull analysis and observations. Thank you very much

5. Ramaphosa 4. Zuma 3. Montlante 2. Mandela 1. Mbeki

What a wonderful analysis?

Mandela: Well, I agree that it's quite difficult to analyze his Presidency being confined to only his Government tenure, without visiting His historical account, fighting apartheid and being incarcerated for so many years. The question as we theme his Presidency around peace or fence-mending tenure, what did we achieve from a socioeconomic perspective? How do we continue to glorify peace without a great shift in means of production ownership, land redistribution, Adv. Ngcukaitobi, explained that the restitution clause was quite knotty. Mbeki: Quite a smart President and was one that inspired hope and His stance on a debt-free state was one trajectory that made sense. He tried to establish a very good cabinet and the integration within his departments was great. This is the presidency where we heard less complaints on SoEs compared to Zuma and Cyril. The Aids issue really defeated him. I would give Mbeki an Ayeye for his Deputy Presidency because he was hands on and is one DP that did well. Mbeki's points drop because he had 2/3 and they did not deal the land issue and wasted all the opportunity to make our constitution pragmatic on justice and equality. Motlante: He wasn't going to do much, because he wasn't a Party President, so that means he didn't have enough prerogatives from a political front. He was used by the ANC (unclever opinion lol!) Zuma: Rape allegations, corruption charges and Dr. Adv Ngcuka explains that it wasn't easy to arrest and charge an incoming President, which means that the there was still reasonable doubt on his allegations of corruption. This guy had the worst cabinet and frequent reshuffles (weekend special Min. of Finance), he was faced with insurmountable opposition in Parliament (Mmusi, Lekoto, Julius and some good ministers resigned at his reign), FMF occurred in his tenure, he just had bad luck man. He built a University, Infrastructure such as roads, and promised us loadshedding and free education for the poor. Cyril: His supporters will call you out that his term hasn't ended and that he'll be re-elected but I say kudos for doing this EP now because chances are if he's re-elected, it will be on coalition basis and that will definitely make his Presidency shaky. I guarantee you that if he doesn't get more that 50%, he will resign if Parliament votes for him. This is one guy that can be controlled by ANC NEC and doesn't seem to gauge whether or not their advice is pertinent. He has literally inherited more than half of Zuma's bad cabinet, how was he expecting to succeed. He deserves the same opprobrium Zuma was painted with because corruption, maladministration, and many more still find expression under his leadership. Overarching view: I forgive Nelly M for his shortcomings hence I won't rate, I agree with you on Mbeki, Motlante, I cannot rate, Zuma: I fully agree, Cyril: Failed without sup and should face with evictions.

What a brilliant analysis, scientific and balanced. deserves a greater circulation

Great comments and analysis. On point as always.

Mbeki is undoubtedly best than any. He may be arrogant at times. Yet Mbeki is still the best

Well one would argue that during Mandela's tenure Mbeki was the president and Mandela was just the face

So informative!

beautiful content Doc Sizwe

This was fun 😂😅 Your rankings were spot on. Ramaphosa could have been an Eish, right there with Zuma. Montlante should have been Average as we don't remember much of his presidency but Mandela and Mbeki were spot on. Great one Siz, Thank you!

It would be a great mistake to forget the transformation towards free education particularly in the higher Education sector following the #FeesMustFall movement during Zuma's Presidency. Give the man his flowers.

Great Podcast! 🎉 Acceptable points & observations that you have made! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 If only you could interview all of the Presidents, including Ramaphosa & hold no punches! We need them to answer some critical Qs about their continuous failures!

Your ranking is perfect Sizwe.

Great analysis, fair and straight to the point. My ranking Mandela - V. Good; Mbeki - V. Good; Motlanthe - Below Average ( I never forgive him for killing Scorpions); Zuma - Below Eish! ( I will never forgive him for allowing ordinary citizens from a foreign country to land at our Airforce Base. Now that was the pinnacle of disrespect) ; Cyril - Did not qualify to write the examination ( indecisive, inept, uninterested, lethargic, wanting etc)

Mbeki was the best and will remain the best we have ever had. Very few people were groomed for that role since their youth the way he was.

This is so helpful Sizwe.. you are really keeping us informed especially now that we are facing crucial elections!!!🎉

Continue to 'spread the fire' your platform gives us fresh perspective, values for moving forward and also to be aware about what is happening in the upper-echelon of the state.

Mbeki is simply Ayeye bro. Pandemics cannot just be solved over night. He is human he was just unlucky with that issue but he made sure that the country was safe, habitable and growing

Good analysis. Mbeki era was good, if we just knew what we had at the time, ai.

Could your criteria be expanded to include foresight, planning ahead, laying foundations for what follows?

Sizwe, thank you for this. This is a wonderful and intelligible contribution. While there is so much one can say to your analysis (which is personal) even though factual - I am not sure if we can fully consider any of these presidents as 'ayeye' or having an 'ayeye' moment without taking seriously the legacies of south africa as a 'nation-state'. My concern here is largely influenced by your own work which forces us to think about the present South African through a historical analysis of its social structure. Such a social structure in your own work is that of racial capitalism: hence the 'New apartheid" (Mpofu-Walsh)- it's a continuation of the founding values of SA as first and foremost a settler colony. It seems to me, that we ought to read these presidents against the possibility or strive to shake off the legacies of settler colonialism. In doing this, we must acknowledge that there is no 'decolonization' of the settler colony - there is only a transformation of such a society in its 'post' outlook. Thus, we must then ask the question; How have these presidents contributed to the 'transformation' of SA into a country for all? If that is the question; then Mandela definitely had an "ayeye' moment since he is the founding father of the vision of SA that acknowledged its settler colonial roots but believed in building it for all. So, that in my mind is 'ayeye' - we all had the vision to look forward to a united South Africa. Mbeki's economic functionary leadership is the beginning of the problem. Mbeki promised a renewal of Africans and their social values but focussed his economic decisions on giving South Africa an image based on a neo-colonial outlook with a white economy ever expanding while the historically underprivileged remained under the state social welfare net. The jobs that you claim were created during his administration had very few pressures emanating from, for instance, minimum wage, his drive for maintaining market market-oriented economy allowed for the rise of inequalities within 'racial' groups with skyrocketing salary bills for the state driven by uncontrollable increases in the private sector. The jobs created were far from being 'decent' - hence later the ANC with COSATU pushed for 'decent work' where sustainable work and jobs alongside the UN NDG goals were a priority. In short, Mbeki's administration maintained the normal, neo-liberal and neo-colonial politics that focussed on 'development' and more development that actually served the interests of the well-developed white economy. I know for instance that his 'African Renaissance" ideology enriched the white settler SA business to penetrate the African market under the guise of being "South African' companies. But the returns on these investments remained individualized, accruing to the investors, not the people where such investors come from. I won't say much about Motlanthe. He was a good face. Zuma is the administration that I think we need to seriously study for a couple of reasons. First, it is undeniable Sizwe that, although Mbeki's ideology of "African Renaissance" threatened the anxieties of certain white South Africans, Zuma's 'nature' SCARED white business and of course; white South Africa. I remember his first visit to the UK when he became president - the coverage of Zuma in the UK at the time was simply anti-Zuma. From his private life to the corruption case, and of course; "lack of 'education'" threatened the white power structure or the settler colony that had been sustained by both Mandela and Mbeki. You have already mentioned some of Zuma's achievements and his flaws. I also think though we need to think about his administration against the settler colonial backdrop that he inherited and unlike his former predecessor showed willingness to point out and destroy. Think about this: Zuma is the first SA president to point out the early Marxist discourse of the 70s that South Africa is a racial capitalist state: or what became called "White monopoly Capital". Zuma's focus on race, distribution of wealth, insistence on history and the disfavour he received in SA (and British) media makes me think his presidency had an "ayeye" moment. In some way, Zuma threatened the white power structure. The 'figure' of the Guptas, in all 'its' prefiguration in our minds of who and what they represent(ed) - we need to also think about what they did to shaking the white power structure. From the mining sector, parastatals, communications etc - the Guptas (arguably with Zuma 'in charge' as the state capture report suggests) - his endeavour carried a significant revolutionary move that we still need to study carefully. Yes, when we study Zuma, we must of course take seriously the ways in which comrades and family around him saw his political move to shake settler colonial power structure as opportunities for their nefarious individualistic motives (including the very Guptas and Zuma). As such, I think we need to situate the performances of these presidents within a social structure of South Africa. Our tendency though is to focus on Zuma as an uneducated, 'corruption' or wealth and comfort driven character - which we should, but if we do, we might as well focus on the corruption of the last two before him. For instance, we learn in Pieter du Toit's book "ANC Billionaires" how Mbeki, after their return from exile was treated by the white SA business. The same is true for Mandela. From staying in mansions owned by the white SA billionaires to the financial support given to the ANC cadres etc to the business deals that benefitted many of the popular ANC leaders - it is clear that all the presidents before Zuma have some corruption scandals hidden somewhere. We can go on and on. But, because, I argue, some of the previous powerful ANC presidents did not threaten racial capitalism - they are still darlings of the post-apartheid transformation project. We see this with Ramaphosa. In fact, when you got to him in the presentation - I know you would have very little to say: he has been a disaster of them all - but also useful in the analysis that I ask we consider: that of taking the social structure of SA as a settler colony serious. If we do, Mr Ramaphosa has been a useful figure and frankly; good for the powerful economic class that controls life and economy in post-colonial/apartheid South Africa. Hence, I think it is helpful to delve into how these presidents either reshaped or threatened the social structure of SA. In other words, how do we think about the "New apartheid" through the lens of these presidents - it seems to me when we get to Zuma, there will be a need for some serious, not prejudicial reasoning by honest and reflexive reason. In this regard, I kindly ask you to please have a chat with Moeletsi Mbeki's analysis of the present South Africa - which in many ways is similar to your recent book observations. But the problem with you is that, you go in and out of the history-present connection - and sometimes, you leave the history and make us imagine the possibility of imagining a different South Africa without a real appreciation of the history. For Moeletsi - South Africa needs to be 'undone' for us to even imagine an analysis of the "ranking" of performance of SA presidents/presidency. So, for me, the 'Ayeye' moment in SA ought to begin with the structural issues - which Dr Mpofu-Walsh discusses in his bookS. Thus, the legacies are not just apartheid Sizwe, they date back to the British colonial period which provided the structure of the SA economic system. Thus, before we focus on economic performance which is a universal marker of performance of a country’s presidency, I think in postcolonial contexts, such a yardstick must centre the legacies of the history of such a society and how such legacies act to keep the status quo. Sizwe, Love you man and love what you do. Thanks for provoking me to reflect on these topics.

Thabo Mbeki - Zizi jama Ka Sjadu! our fav, intelligent President. That man had a vision for this country and i believe we could've been way ahead in terms of african development, but unfortunately todays politics have no regard for visions and ideals, its all about the stomach and enriching themselves and their friends and gladly watch the country fall apart.

The Cyril bit finished me!😂 Fair analysis overall. Its so funny that we thought Zuma set the bar in hell, and somehow Ramaphosa managed to go lower. Super disheartening.

Great analysis as always, very insightful

Can you do a Ranking of the current leaders of each party? They will be our potential future presidents(Hypothetically), and compare them to the current ANC and their policies.

To me, Thabo Mbeki was the best president because during his time, the economy of the country was very much stabilised. He did everything to avoid corruption but his ANC comrades saw that as a challenge because they could not do what they do best. The Mandela error was more of a transition period so I guess he did well under those circumstances. Motlhanthe becomes my second best looking at the fact that he was only in office for a short time. Truth is that he simply continued with what was planned by Mbeki's office. I do not want to talk about Zuma and Ramaposa because corruption grew infront of their eyes and they both promised but never delivered to stop it. A case in example: what happened with the Zondo commission report? why the recommendations are never implemented ? Thabo Mbeki was our main man.

i think we may be especially harsh on Ramaphosa, but a lot of it has to do with the decline in competence of the people around him - and finding very few ANC leaders actually interested in serving the nation. In the Mandela, Mbeki era there were still stalwarts who cared. Now you'd be hard pressed to find that

This is very informative thanks so much spread the message

In his book 'A rumour of Spring' Max Du Preez does talk a little about the sudden change to GEAR, citing influences of IMF and the fact that a powerful ally of ours the Soviet Union that ANC relied on was no more (Chapter 6) I think in terms of wins I'd give to Rams are the deployments of SANDF in Mozambique and DRC (D.A currently has issues with the recent deployment in DRC, saying Parliament wasn't notified and we can't afford it) and maybe taking Israel to ICJ, also heard we are now suing USA and UK?idk how true that is. But I'm just being generous, Rams failed in every aspect🤣also, i think it'd be interesting to look at the number of Whistleblowers killed for speaking out against corruption in both the terms of Jacob and Rams to really see who suppressed the people, no?👀 Just a little add on, i personally don't rate Mbeki for failing to deal with HIV/AIDS. People died, and no amount of economic growth will make me overlook the lives of people. You only live once, a human life is very precious and that must not be taken lightly.

Cyril froze my bank accounts, had proxies launch lawsuits on me & I never had any of those issues while critical of Zuma. Cyril cracks down on his critics with real swiftness. He even finished his term without an SG. I think you need to do an episode on Zuma’s critics vs Cyril’s critics. He even had News24 smear his DP. He had the FBI clear Glencore & let’s not forget Phala Phala!

love the concise review, Mbeki was the best president to ever grace the bench. we were once THAT nation.

39:19 is hilarious!! You tried scrapping the barrel for the poor oak !! Spot on analysis doc - not an exhaustive or granular evaluation but more than adequate.

To me Madida remember political transition he did exceptionally well from apartheid to democracy. Making sure there's stability in the country. Once there's stability in the country that attracts investment. Economically we were strong. His character is undescribable we felt we had a father figure in him. He commanded respect his intelligence was on another level. He could see something b4 it happened very good in analysing b4 he opens his mouth. His interview would leave journalist paralyzed like he did with n American journalist who tried to embarrass him.😂😂😂 To me one of a kind.❤

Sizwe laughing at the question is the answer 39:25

Objective insight sir💯👌🏾

100% agree with you Sizwe

For me, I would give the highest rating possible to Baba Madiba. I think the man navigated what was a very delicate situation very well, without his wisdom and A - class leadership the nation would have plunged into a civil war. The second place goes to Thabo. Cyril had the opportunity to enter the hall of fame but he took over an ANC that had essentially become a criminal organisation beyond redemption. (Disclaimer: I am neither a South African nor have lived their continously for a very long time. But I have taken keen interest in its economic and political history for decades. My views are based on secondary sources)

I'm happy with your analysis but want to challenge the fact that Cyril is actually thee president who is using the State to suppress his opponents, he jailed Zuma, Sent NPA on Ace and suspended Busisiwe Mkhwebane remember Zuma allowed Thuli Madonsela to investigate him he also suspended Judge Hlophe

Well rated.

Siyabulela dokotela. Very informative, educational and nice to the ear. Ungatyafi mfo kaDali!

Ayeye JZ

Please give analysis of who gonna be the NEXT BEST PRESIDENT

Thank you for this video. I recently gained an interest in politics because I have always been ignorant. I learned a lot from this video about the history our country in relation to its past and present president.

Excellent, balanced analysis! This video was so helpful. Thank you 🙏🏽

My number one will always be Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma

Zuma tackled the Inequality issue and there were more black people emancipated from poverty during Zuma's time. Including more schools built for the poor.

I saw the laugh coming miles away🤣. Thanks for the analysis. I just realised that President Zuma's support on the ground has been resilient in that it fought against the President Mbeki and still went to contest the CR17 and now we see the MK on the rise, it's worth noting on your scoring.

Great video. Really loved it. I agree with your analysis except for Kgalema, he should be under average.

Under Ramaposa crime has gone out of hand

No doubt Cyril Ramaphosa failed without supplementary 😂😂.

U got it spot on..

pls find out for me how SA became a company since it has a company registration number, who are shreholders and owners of this company?

Well well Zuma on "'eish'" how about Universities ,courts Roads that were built , was able to deal with Load shedding so

My cousin”unalived” herself after her boyfriend gave her HIV as a result of infidelity. She was scared of what the virus was going to do to her. Say what you want about Zuma, Mandela and Cyril, but none of those were AIDS denialists. Some of us have not forgotten the 300 000 people that died under Mbeki’s watch.

I love your content. Today however I loved your smile and laughter please include more of that. ❤❤❤

Good episode Doc, in view of upcoming elections please rank presidents of top political parties. Top 5 in terms of the last local elections

The South African humuor is shining through here 😂😂😂😂 i cant stop laughing. We always ready to laugh even in adversity

Zuma is unfortunately ranked under Eish without counting all his achievements like free education, two universities built under his name. The Gupta corner was used by his WMC who were his enemies. His performance was definitely not higher than his predecessors. I give Zuma average. CR has failed dismally.

We’ve actually gone through so much as a country wow, #Ayeye 🔥

I think that's an honest analysis. Your segments are not only informative but educational to prospective voters. The Ayeye level or ranking does denotes what a good in the absence of a better president should be. It is just unfortunate that the current leaders that we currently have in our political spectrum are not in it for the betterment of the country, but to only secure the "bag". we saw this in parliament when the ANC MPs voting against the section 89 report. We no longer have that spirit of patriotism in our political landscape. Cry my beloved country, our children will only inherit ashes.

I'll give cupcake one for standing with Palestine. I'm no fan, but that meant a lot to many people in the world

That cat Ramza was so desperate for "unity" and something, that he literally snatched the trophy out of Siya Kolisi's hands 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I have a question, would it be an unfair discernment to state that Mandela was more of a statesman, than a president? this is just a question, I'm quite curious

Please do a similar episode with Deputy Presidents. I think it would be an interesting one

1.Jacob Zuma 2.Thabo Mbeki 3.Mandela 4.Motlante 5.Ramaposa

As much as we don't want to admit. JZ, did more than what Mbeki did, we have to discuss the media noise and the deep state interests and Rand manipulation. JZ beats all of them hands down. He is not my fan by any chance, but I don't follow the media narratives but lived experience. Cyril is the worst

i agree with the list

😂😂 I Love SMWX man!!!! Rama is right where he belongs "Failed w/o sup"

Research shows that Jacob Zuma was the best leader in history