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@blowc1612 Fox isn't better on both ends, he is the worst offensive player out of the four. Worst passer and the worst shooter

@@blowc1612young is a better playmaker, passer, and overall 3pt shooter, and he’s better at passing out of the pick and roll and better at advantage creating down hill with his feel for the game.

@blowc1612 @blowc1612 I hate playing this card online, but I literally spend three hours almost every day being a trainer. It's simple, even though Fox is a more diverse scorer and he is less ball dominant. His offensive impact is still less than everyone else's. Yes he can run the Pick and Roll, pistol action, and DHOs with Sabonis but Trae, Hali, and Dame are so good at the pick and roll its more impactful. When these guys have the ball in the pick and roll they are constantly generating good shots. You can't say that De'Aaron is generating good shots for himself or the team. He is the least efficient player here. You keep talking about his three point ability but it's not all about percentage and makes, the defenses have to put much more effort to guarding the other three from 25+ feet out. De'Aaron doesn't have that level of pressure, but he makes up for it going to the rim. Trae, Dame, and Hali are all generating for themselves and their team significantly better looks and Fox's defense isn't enough to make up for that. Also passing isn't assist, it is so much more than that. If you watch the games Fox can't read the floor or manipulate the defense nearly as well as the others can with passing. And once again his defense is making up the offensive gap

derrick white is a top 0 guard in the nba and it isn’t even close

He’s definitely not a top 25 player

​yeah cause he's top 3, and he's not 2 or 3 ​@@ry_an.

If we are talking top defensive guards, he is certainly in the top 5, maybe top 3 even. As a two-way player, I like him a ton also, but in a vacuum I don't think he makes the top 25, or if he did only barely at the end of the list.

He’s too scared

Dame this season is definitely a question if he's supposed to be on the list. We are discussing him in a vacuum, but I think in a vacuum he is actually worse than on a potentially good place like the Bucks where he might be amazing, we still don't know yet. I would certainly take PG over him, as he seemingly has been called an honorable mention.

@@pinobluevogel6458 agreed, PG and honestly Maxey were the two lads I had in mind from the HM list

@@connorleary9178 Maxey certainly deserves an HM. I think PG is too good to be left off this list though, he was even healthy for most of this season. He fell off in the playoffs though. Without Kawhi, all the defense had to do was focus on him specifically and the paint was even more clogged with Lively and Gafford keeping him out.

I feel like activity is the only reason why he's a bad defender. He's got quick hands, and is a good athlete. He should at least be a neutral defender if he tried.

And he uses it for nothing lol

Yea I really don’t like the way he approached his take on brown. It was slaughtering him to basically say his game is overly reliant on Tatum which is crazy considering Tatum has been the one to shy away when needed and brown has taken every opportunity to show his role and skill and he still gets questioned

I'm going to assume HV didn't want recency bias to effect his placement on him: Alot of these lists I've seen didn't have JB top 15 or top 20 before the playoffs started, and only now are pushing him higher after the chip. I think it's better for HV to keep his placement where he had previously evaluated him in the regular season, rather than just raising him just because.

Agreed but just wait for the rest of the list. There were like 3 players from this list that I think deserve to be in the top 20 but idk cuz I haven’t seen that list yet.

@@KamuiProductsInc I mean to be fair Brown’s placement certainly has been raised by his Finals performances, just not to the extent as other content creators because he’s actually attempting to measure impact rather than just giving boosts for being on a championship-winning teams.

@@blowc1612I don’t see anything wrong with having young over him personally. He averages 25 and 9 for his career and he always shoots at least league average true shooting, that’s pretty damn good and the eye test is good as well with how he manipulates defenders in the pick and roll with no look lobs and skip passes to the corner.

If you are a historic offensive player and also a good learner and quite young, his future seems incredibly bright. If we account for him improving over the next few years, he should be way higher on the list.

@@blowc1612 I'm guessing you're not a fan of Haliburton. Yes he is a problem defensively, but his impact as a playmaker is very good, it was even the best in the league for a while. He broke some of Jokic records in the last season, which is insane. I think you're looking at it the wrong way. If not for him, the Pacers aren't even a #1 offense, they wouldn't even be near the play-in game. He's a floor raiser AND a ceiling raiser. We have to give some credit to McConnell and Nembhart for filling in some of the minutes very well, but it is Tyrese Haliburton that elevated the Pacers to this height. (and having some opponents weakened by injury in the playoffs)

@@pinobluevogel6458not a haliburton hater by any means but what makes him better than trae young, from what I see, trae young is a better passer, and he’s better at collapsing the defense and creating advantages and putting 2 on the ball over and over and over to put the defense in rotation and he manipulates defenders better with his passing in the pick and roll. He’s also a better scorer.

@@abtocool6350 Trae Young might be a more experienced and versatile pick and roll player, but I think Haliburton is way more efficient at creating fast and effective offense. Part of it is the way this team s made up, but the Hawks have good players too. I think it is the system and Haliburton makes that engine run better than anyone else can.

@@pinobluevogel6458 I agree with that, and he holds on to the ball less as well but even with that young would most likely be the better one man offensive engine because of the things I pointed out, kinda like a worse version of luka.

I think I had him at 13 or so in my list last year. His playoff performance against the Warriors was really impressive, being both a lead scorer but also a massive defensive nuisance for the opposing team. If he didn't get injured, they might have won the series even. I have a tip for Fox for next year, if he wants to look better .. do not play the Pelicans 6 times. (5 times in the season and once in the play-in)

He wants to have a long career bro him driving hard every game ain’t gonna win the kings a ring anyways

cringe

@@thafinessekid7879 what?

@@snupedummy yeah i get what your saying but most people make the move to playing less risky as they get older and he is missing out on a big part of possible ways he could score and isnt taking advantage of his athleticism like imagine someone like jokic is switched onto him should he blow past him or try some kind of step back and him attacking the rim opens up his playmaking helps him and the teram score more points and positivly affects the offense

The drop in drives is more due to a change in coaching play style rather than Fox not wanting to drive. Besides, he has had Monk next to him the past 2 years who is also good in the paint. It may be what he does moving forward now that Derozan signed a 3-year contract.

How exactly was that his best season lol

Sorry bro but Dame is washed. Nobody but Bron beats Father Time

@@Dj252kingyh facts pop a few steroids and you’ll last 👍🏾

@@user-ip7ys4xl1e was his best statistical season by far I'm pretty sure. Eye test he looked at the peak of his powers.

@@Dj252kingdame last year: 24 4 7 on 42% and 35% from 3 playing 73 games under 2 coaches… he is not washed 🤦🏻‍♂️

🙏🏻

If assuming full health, he is probably top 20, maybe even top 15?

he steped up in the playoff though🤔 but I agree that early season tyrese was def top 10

@@fleckerichironex6398 he did step up but he still wasn't putting up those numbers that made him in that convo. He never had any of those 20-10 games he was having

@@pinobluevogel6458 yea he was going crazy early-mid season. Before the hamstring injury he was arguably the 4th best pg in the league behind Luka, Brunson and Curry

I'd argue he was above brunson before the hamstring injury. But the injury coincided with brunson going supernova, so after it, brunson was clearly better. I do believe in his ability to get back to that early season level though.

@@blowc1612how many comments you gonna leave on this video😭😭😭 fox isnt top 15 and you can make objective cases for that your so emotional over dude for what lmfao

How? 😂😂😂😂

NBA is stacked man

The Celtics were the most balanced Championship team in decades. No one player stood out or carried.

Not even the nba is amazing. It’s hard to rank him higher cause he’s a second option

@@michiganlover12 A second option that is about as good as the first option. I think even KP, if he had health and more superstar status, would be a first option. That team is so stacked with sub-top players, it is hard to evaluate anyone without the others.

Andre Iguodala, Joe Dumars, Tony Parker, Cedric Maxwell, Kawhi in SA ... Simply winning Finals MVP doesn't mean you are even the best player on your own team, let alone a top 20 guy

Good idea. Still needs to finish this first though ;)

Brown needs to be at least top 20 with that playoff run

@@Unc_Moist yee, i'd have him like 16-18 range, below guys like mitchell but above people like zion bam and wemby

Maybe he will be higher on his list, let's wait and see

@@joaquinmartinez341he’s an HM

I think Maxey is close for making the list, or could maybe sneak in at the end of it. MIP for sure, but not good enough on his own yet to justify his place. Part of what makes him good is the threat of Embiid, but if he improves again the coming season he will probably make the list on his own accord.

Totally fair!

@@blowc1612 you spelt the first word of your essay wrong man we aint off to a good start😂

I’m glad to hear that! And don’t be afraid to voice your disagreements. 😂

⁠@@HoopVenueI wanted to ask, what makes Hali better than young?, isn’t young better at manipulating defenders in the pick and roll with the use of his eyes and making more advanced reads, and isn’t he better at creating advantages with his downhill playmaking with him constantly getting 2 on the ball over and over causing the defense to constantly be in rotation.

next season hell be top 12 again

He is so overrated even his team played better without him, I would take at least 10 players before him. He is so ball hog, Dejaunte was better than him. He should be traded how poor he played for Hawks last 2-3 seasons in play-of. Tyrese is better player than him, Siakam and some other players.

@@johnrainwater3885 It’s clear his skillset really complements championship-caliber teams well. The role he’s taken on the Celtics really suits him well, though it’s hard to make a case for Holiday over teammates like Tatum/Brown/White.

agreed

@@blowc1612 how isn't he close to all NBA caliber? he is a top 5 offensive player in the league. that alone makes him all NBA caliber, just wait until Trae young gets a competent roster around him and hell be an mvp candidate. And he has all ready been all nba before in his career lololololol

@@eanbenjammin2032 It’s unfortunate he’s a negative on the other end.

@@blowc1612 watch hoops venues video on rudy gobert vs the suns in the playoffs. He can absolutely switch. No big man in guarding Luka and Jokic on an island and shutting him down. Rudy gets held to a different standard because of his DPOY tag. He’s expected to make every single stop and if he gets scored on in a big moment it’s automatically “rudy is exposed in playoffs”

Totally fair way of looking at it!

My guess for the 15-20 range would be Paul George, kyrie, bam, donavon Mitchell, ant and maybe Wemby in some order.

Scratch pg, I forgot he was on the hm list.

@@blowc1612 yeah in my other comment I said scratch pg, he was in the honorable mentions I believe, and I would be surprised if Ant was in the top 10, he still has clear flaws in his offensive game. He’s a below average midrange shooter and his playmaking still needs work, he’s a reactionary passer who makes basic reads and that got exposed in the postseason. I personally would have him somewhere in the 14-17 range.

@@blowc1612 You are aware that that zero defense team got into the ECF and actually played some close games to the eventual champion. A team that has two all-star type talents, one of which is Haliburton. You must really hate him with a vengeance to go out of your way to try and deflate his performance. It is not that I'm a fan, or invested in the Pacers or Haliburton specifically, I just recognise his strengths, which are very real. Yes, he can't defend and is certainly much worse than other stars on that end. However, if you provide a massive offensive spark, that is worth a lot if it converts into winning. The Pacers overperformed for many reasons, but I have enough trust in that team to see the be better next year.

Trae top 15

@@blowc1612 he shot the 2nd highest percentage of pull up 3s lol

@@blowc1612 trae is top 15 pal

Totally fair! Dame’s a tough one to rank.

I promise you Hali has no issues getting into positions to playmake. Obviously scoring is a different story, but he can create a shot for his teammates in any spot on the court.

FTs are a part of the game and getting to the line is good for your team!

@@HoopVenue guys like Embiid/Trae\Harden flop so much and refs tone that down in playoffs which is why they struggle in those setting. Hence since u can’t perform when lights brightest you not the best

@@stevenwhiters8928 And what about a guy like Jimmy who gets to the line even more in the playoffs? As his game elevates. 🤔

@@HoopVenue anomaly. Exception to the rule

Butler shouldn't be in the top 25. Maybe you can argue he is if he was healthy, but he didn't play enough minutes and certainly not enough in the playoffs to make up for his mediocre regular season stats.

@@pinobluevogel6458 Dropping from 11 to not even in consideration for the Top 25 is quite a drop though, and don’t think he was that much worse than last year.

@@ZachNguyen-vp7nz If he was at 11 last year, that was way too high. I think Butler is great and he has a top winning mindset, but functionally he isn't as good as a lot of other top talent. It is his playoff rising that always kept him in the discussion as a great player and he still is a great player, just not as good as all the other massively stacked talent.

@@pinobluevogel6458 Exactly. You would have to try to project the playoff rising into the equation. Not saying he’s a game-breaking talent, but he’s a solid two-way player who has been consistently around a 11-20 player for this large stretch in his career.

@@ZachNguyen-vp7nz He is an odd player that is very hard to judge accurately. His statistics (especially in the regular season) aren't spectacular, he doesn't impact winning a lot in those situations, but he is a two-way player and often the best player on his team. However in playoff situations it can change into being the best player on the floor. Also, his game doesn't translate very well to what other players do, as he is basically a freethrow, short midrange monster offensively, but doing a ton of very tiny smart things that affect the game, in addition to being a very good defender. There is no other player in the league that compares, except maybe Draymond, but he is far too limited offensively and better defensively.

@@blowc1612ur dumb he came into the season out of shape due to not working out the whole offseason because he didn’t want to get injured before getting traded he was clearly less explosive than he was last year watch film

He’s top 16

Brunson isn't terrible defensively. He is still the weakest defender on his roster, but he is much better than all these guys shown here. (except Brown ofcourse) Also, he is probably the best small guard in the league, having the most production. He might not be better than Curry in a vacuum, but he is shiftier, way more resilient and just downright more effective in his minutes.

25 points on average to low efficiency and minimal playmaking isn't particularly good. He's a good on ball defender against bigger guards and wings when he's locked in (which isn't every night). But even though his help defense is improved, it's certainly not close to all defense level. He might not be a top 5 defender on his own team let alone as good as guys like Herb, Caruso and McDaniels Brown is kind of the ultimate test case for how closely someone watches games because he's good at the things that are very obvious but weaker in all the areas that are more nuanced (and tend to be much more important)

Delusional is a bit much, but I do agree he can be higher on the list. Where I would like to see him is very close to where Tatum ends up, as they are basically about the same level of player, just with a slightly different build and specialization. Tatum is more suited guarding bigger players near the basket, Brown is a little quicker on the perimeter. They are both decent playmakers and good scorers, not too far apart. On any other team, they would be great starting level players, but on the Celtics they are better as that team has no distinct clear #1 lead creator or starplayer, so whoever is the most open can just initiate.

@@pinobluevogel6458 The playmaking gap is pretty significant and Tatum is probably a top 3 wing in terms of help defense whereas Brown is closer to solid. Plus Tatum is a more efficient scorer. It's not an accident Tatum has been first tean All-NBA the last 3 years and Brown hasn't Although it is a little odd JB made second team in 23 even though he was much better in 24 without making All-NBA. But All-NBA in the modern NBA is often 50% who got hurt and who didn't

@@michaelahurt I think it is a little unfair to Brown to call him a less consistant scorer as I think he is better at stepping up in the playoffs so far. Small sample size, but still I think playoff performance matters. Tatum has just been very inefficient at scoring in the playoffs and even his regular season statistics, while slightly higher volume and slightly better 3 point efficiency .. they just don't jump off the page. I'm pretty sure he is a more versatile player overall, with his size being incredibly suited to guarding up and having a decent increase in playmaking potential, but the versatility in offense and better 1v1 coverage that Brown showed in the playoffs are just too enticing to keep him from being too far behind Tatum. Ideally I would have them near eachother, as they are much closer in how they function than for example comparing either of them to PG, who you could argue is much better, or much worse .. depending on what you look at. I know it isn't a great example, as most people think PG is a bit inconsistant, but his statistics have been vastly superior to the J's over the last season and he was actually pretty healthy too. I just think of him as a true superstar, while the J's are more like half a level below it, because of how egalitarian their team is and because of the lack of consistancy on offense.

@@pinobluevogel6458 I didn't say he was less consistent. I said less efficient. But Brown's offense has been more resilient in the playoffs and he generally _is_ more consistent because he takes more twos and shoots better inside the arc. His efficiency hasn't dropped at all the last 3 years in the playoffs whereas Tatum's definitely has. (Although most of that was his three point shooting this year which is just variance -- but we pick and chose. When Luka shoots 24% in a series it gets hand waived but when Tatum does it it's because he's 'not clutch' ... The reality is there's just a lot of volatility in small samples and we all over index on the results.) I agree Brown has closed the gap though. I probably wouldn't have had him top 40 last year. I was super low on him. But he's made real improvements finishing with his left, ball handling, passing/playmaking and his defense effort was more consistent. He's a significantly better player than last year. But I'm also not convinced he could make the necessary plays against the kinds of coverages #1 guys see. So while the Jays function similarly, teams don't treat them the same, which is telling. I completely agree about PG though. I thought there was a good argument that he was better than both Jays until this season. (The difference in rim pressure at this stage of their careers is too much to overcome) I've said all playoffs that Tatum isn't a one but he can play the role well enough to allow everyone else to slot into _their_ roles. He takes the hit to his efficiency by being overburdened but it creates better team wide results because everyone else gets to play within themselves. Including Brown. Jaylen's offensive diet was much healthier this year. He didn't force as a much and didn't settle as much and made it a point to attack in transition. But I'm still well aware that if you asked him to do what Devin Booker does it would get ugly fast. Brown at his best is a play finisher and straight line driver, not an advantage creator. To me the best players help their teammates play better. If you increase everyone's efficiency by 1% that's 4% which is better than your own efficiency being 1% higher. Same on defense. It's why I'll value team defense and rim protection almost 3:1 vs on ball defense (unless it's like Caruso/Herb type on ball defense) because it just has a bigger impact. If you make that rotation or are in that gap you turn a layup (70%) into a jumpshot (40%) but a good man defender might make a guy shoot 40% instead 45% And Jaylen excels at the individual parts (scoring, man defense) and not all the other stuff.

Definitely a fair opinion!

kyrie and hali

hali and bam

I think PG is a little better, we haven't seen him yet.

@@pinobluevogel6458PG is not better anymore and he was listed as an HM

@@johnrouguine3090 I know he was, but that doesn't mean I agree with it :) I think Brown for example has defensive edge over him. He is way more athletic, a little stronger, despite being smaller. He can certainly stay in front of guys better than PG. However PG is also no slouch on defense, he has very good size and speed to keep up with guys, covers gaps between two players extremely well, is smarter as a team defender and while he doesn't make defensive plays often, he certainly is still capable of doing so. If you look at PG's scoring and playmaking package though, he is much better. I think I can maybe even convince myself to say that he is a better overall player, despite falling off a bit in the playoffs. I like haliburton better because of his massive impact metrics, but otherwise I would have PG in this 20-25 range and Hali and Brown in the catagory above that.

i wouldn’t have an issue if trae was on the same tier at least but he’s only all star level

Trae young should be top 15

I respect your stance, but I can assure you reactions from others have no bearing whatsoever on how I rank players. These are all my opinions, regardless of how others feel!

@@HoopVenue I wasnt being too serious, no worries.

Brown isn't close to the offensive engine that Dame is simple as that. Dame forces the other team to change their whole defensive schemes. As a 2nd or 3rd option than yeah picking brown wouldn't be a bad choice.

@@thenorthremembers728 Cool, nothing you said contradicts anything I said - if a team wanted to win, they'd want Brown. If they want an offensive system that delivers a 23-42 career playoff record, Dame wouldnt be a bad choice.

I think PG’s limitations really came to light against LA. He has no burst at this point in his career and struggled to beat even Luka on drives. Forced to rely on a really tough diet of shots, and he’s a much better shooter off the catch so his percentages were very poor.

@HoopVenue you just described all those thing in trae young he's straight defense liability

@@imhere283 and he’s a top 6 offensive player so it doesn’t really matter.

@@imhere283 Trae’s one of the 5-7 best passers of the 2020s, a much better pull up shooter both from mid range and 3, and has an elite floater to counter those same driving issues. We’re just talking about a completely different stratosphere of offensive creator.

Trae Young is far better than george. podcast P chokes in the playoffs every year or misses the playoffs entirely with injuries.

He was in the honorable mentions brother 😂

@@HoopVenue sorry brotha I got attention span of a goldfish

@@blowc1612 nobody reading allat

@@blowc1612 you take time to write all this and call someone yapper, youre the only one yapping, you dont get paid to hate like that. You're the one wasting time doof

Fair! He definitely had some low moments this season.

@@dumb_as_rocks That’s because defense matters

@@ZachNguyen-vp7nzthen why is Luka gonna be #2

@@dumb_as_rocks Luka’s defense has improved and he’s a different level of offensive player. I agree with you in that I’d probably have Haliburton higher, Top 10 is just too rich

@@ZachNguyen-vp7nzexactly. Hali was top 10 during the IST, but since then he’s dropped a lot

@@benebacher2470 He was in Top 10 contention; wouldn’t say he was Top 10

@@josephmeluskey4109 he plays with Embiid dawg

His hamstring was fine he said it himself

In some ways he does things with his playmaking that Jokic and Luka do not. Jokic is by far the most efficient playmaker, incredibly smart and precise with his passing with literally near perfect pass completion. Luka is the most dynamic playmaker, as he is by far the most elite scorer and also makes the most no-look and misdirection passes that completely fool defenses. Haliburton though, has amazing passing as well, is incredibly low turnover, but also increases the pace of his team massively when he's on the court. I think in terms of raw passing and impact with playmaking I would take Jokic, Luka and Haliburton as #1, #2 and #3. I still think the difference between 1 and 2 is miniscule, while Haliburton is a clear 3 in my view. Then there is quite a large gap until the next one on the list, who is probably Trey Young or James Harden (unless I'm forgetting someone)

@@pinobluevogel6458 I’m in the same boat. We have 1-4 the same. I think I’d take LaMelo or Lebron at 5 though over harden

@@caleb_lane Sure, I can live with that. Harden might be a slightly less brilliant playmaker, but the threat of his scoring is certainly good enough to help him be more effective at it than he actually is.

to high. what has he done in his 7 year career. miss the playoffs 6 of 7 years

​@@patriciaeagles7871ah yes, Fox was terrible last year because he's been on a bad team most of his career. Why didn't I think of that genius reasoning.

Totally fair! I struggled with the Dame placement.

You could argue top 20, but he’s definitely not top 15

​@@akz2628aside from the old guard, who's better, or as available?

@@akz2628top 16. I can name 15 guys better not 20 tho

@@Strategic_Reformer Discounting health, there are quite a few guys I would take over him .. but maybe the 20-25 range is a bit too low for him on the list. I would have him somewhere in the 10-20 range, about where I would put Tatum, maybe a spot or two below him to not make other people mad.

@@ryanamburgy2791 Paul George & Maxey are HMs

@@ZachNguyen-vp7nz ok I didn't see the HMs. KAT and Paolo then?

@@ryanamburgy2791 I’d probably lean towards Kyrie & Bam being on the list, possibly Jimmy.

@@ZachNguyen-vp7nz definitely not Bam or Jimmy, Kyrie maybe but I think Jaylen Brown is just clearly better than Kyrie. That being said, I could see Kyrie being over KAT.

@@ZachNguyen-vp7nz my 15-11 is some combination of Lebron, AD, Booker, Donovan Mitchell, and Kawhi btw.

Not trying to be overly critical here, but you say Jaylen Brown is a top 10 player but he should be top 15 as well. Where exactly would you have him in your ideal list? Assuming fully healthy, I can name a few guys I would take over him in no particular order: Luka, Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, SGA, Curry, Brunson, KD, Ant, Zion, AD, Kawhi we can discuss if he is better than Tatum, Booker, Bam, Kyrie, Haliburton, PG, but he wouldn't be in my top 10 and land somewhere in the 13-20 range.

@@pinobluevogel6458 How do you think the Brown > Tatum argument would work (assuming we’re talking reasonably)?

@@ZachNguyen-vp7nz I think I said it in another comment thread somewhere. Brown is a slightly worse playmaker and his scoring is a bit lower volume and lower efficiency from 3, but more efficient from the floor. (he finishes way more often at the rim) Defensively, I think they are somewhat equal, Tatum is definitely way stronger and able to protect the rim, which increases his defensive impact, but Brown can lock down a single player way better, especially the faster type that are typical scoring players in the league. What puts Brown way closer in my opinion is his playoff performance. Both him and Tatum have more volatile and inconsistant playoff scoring, but I do think Brown does a slightly better job at elevating his play than Tatum does. Most people value Tatum as the better of the two and I'm willing to concede that, but I think they aren't too far apart and certainly not worlds apart as I expect them to be in this list.

he will next season

THIS CRAZY CAUSE BROWN BETTER THAN TATUM💯🤷🏾‍♂️

​@@waff6ixNo he isnt. Tatum couldnt hit a jump shot and still led the team in pt rebound and assist along with being their most versatile defender.

​​@@waff6ix He's really not. Brown went crazy on D in the playoffs, but Tatum is the Mario of the NBA (smash Bros reference) dude just does everything , and does it well.

@@JordanMichael23CA Mario doesn't win games tbh, it is White, KP and Jrue that win their games when it counts. What Tatum makes up with his size, great defense and a bit better passing, I don't think compensates for his mediocre shooting and lack of execution in the clutch. At least Jaylen Brown is a defensive playmaker, a better dog on 1v1 and a much more explosive scorer. He has serious flaws, but so has Tatum. If anything they are much closer than people tend to believe. The strength of Boston lies in their very high starter talent level, where all 5 players are top NBA players that can all play both offense and defense to a high level and (just as important) they have a sound strategy and stick to it. Just the seemingly small change of letting White and Jrue initiate offense more in the clutch improved their winning by a massive amount. Jaylen and Jayson, while amazingly talented, just didn't execute the gameplan very well in those high pressure situations, so they switched more to their pointguards who are way more disciplined and less prone to falling into iso ball nonsense. Even relying on KP is a massive difference as this guy is just built for it, he is very consistant. Only on rare occasions, when he is injured or hounded very physically, does he underperform. Keeping that all in mind, I would rank Jaylen Brown as an equal or (if you must) ever so slightly below Tatum, whereever they end up on the list.

That is because Tatum took 3 more shots per game than Brown, and was only able to beat brown by one point. Assist wise it was because Tatum had the ball in his hands twice as much as brown, but Tatum was only able to beat Brown by to assist per game. He only had these stats because he had a lot more opportunities than Brown; however, statistic wise, they were there neck to neck....

No. Though next year he might be a good candidate for sure.

@@blowc1612trae had better defensive of season then Dejounte Murray but you probably think Murray is a good defender 💀. Trey is easily top 20 and I got him around 15th because of how dynamic he is offensively. And what about Lukas defense????? It’s worse than Traes

Agreed trae has already peaked higher than Kyrie and he’s only getting better

Kyrie Irving is most defintely on the list. I would personally take Brown over him, but Trae certainly not. Trae is a slightly better passer and more versatile playmaker. However, effectively Kyrie isn't much worse as he offers amazing pace instead that also translates through his passing. Added to that he has much increased scoring efficiency on all levels to go with it. He is also a much better defender .. still a negative in most situations, but certainly much better than any of these guys not named Jaylen Brown.

Kyrie is just clearly worse than Jaylen Brown, he should not be on here.

@@ryanamburgy2791 It isn't clear, as they are wildly different players. If you value offense, consistancy, shooting prowess, ball handling and playmaking .. Kyrie is massively better in all those aspects. If you value defense or overall effectiveness, you should have Jaylen Brown as the better player. I think I value defense enough to take Brown higher on a top 25 list, but it is definitely not 'clear', because you can focus on different aspects of a player.

@@pinobluevogel6458 trae is the much better passer and better player

@@francisco2525 He is a textbook secondary creator (in terms of offensive load/box creation). Don’t think Game 7 of last year is really that imprinted as he is definitely accounting for the improvements he’s made since then.

I don’t really care what happened in game 7 last year. As I don’t think whether the Celtics won or lost this year has any bearing on how I view his strengths and weaknesses as a player.

@@HoopVenueur analysis of him is horrible u rank him that low cause u need to see if he can be a number 1 option ts don’t matter they won

Haliburton specifically, his impact is just massive. For short stretches even historic.

Check my preview video, accolades are not factored into player evaluations.

@@HoopVenue I can appreciate the accolades not being taken into account but playoff success and performance definitely should and that’s how he won those awards. He was arguably the best 2 way player in the playoffs and that can’t be lower than Dame just to start but several others on the other parts of the list.