For me, when someone mentions a stinker by a great band, Metallica's St. Anger always comes to mind. I tried to like it, and never could.

I suspected the theme of this video would be terrible 80's albums by good 70's bands lol

"Then they release this piece of crap..." {dog barks loudly in agreement} ROTFL

Hold on...you mean Kiss has good albums too??

Milli Vanilli's second album was something of a disappointment after their masterful debut.

Disagree on Rush. "Hold Your Fire" stands up well to the test of time.

Hey! "Time Stand Still" is a great track! And Amy Mann is guest vocalist!

For me Hold Your Fire is a sensational album, so many melodic tunes on there that I can listen to over and over.

Rush is my favorite band, and I love Hold Your Fire. I think it is far better than some of their 90s work.

What about albums you begrudgingly admit are great from bands you hate?

From the band owner of my heart, Metallica: Load, Reload and St. Anger.

Some of my stinkers: St. Anger- Metallica Risk- Megadeth Chinese Democracy- GNR Antenna- ZZ Top Presto- Rush Binaural- Pearl Jam Hellbilly Deluxe II- Rob Zombie

Man, I couldn’t disagree more about Hold Your Fire. Not only does it not sound dated, to me, it’s gotten better with time.

Love to see a part two for this. This was great Pete!

The Final Cut sounds better when you accept that it's the first solo album from Roger Waters.

Just love how Pete talks to us like we already know the counterpoints or the "whys" to his position or arguement because HE knows WE know the players and built-in logics from playing the same stuff for decades like him. He's so right! Love that 🤟

I really like Never Say Die by Sabbath....

I remember hating Rush "Signals" when it came out. I gave it another chance years later and I now love it.

I get what you're saying about Diver Down. I would always point out how its mostly covers and instrumentals. But the 4 originals are great! Especially Little Guitars and Secrets. You should have went with III-would have loved to have heard your rant on that!

Just spun Never Say Die front to back after many many years, and it rocks pretty dang hard! Thank's Pete for reminding me the album exists ;P

When Kerry Livgren left Kansas, Kansas as we knew and loved was over. He was the mastermind, song-writer and musical genius of the band

I think The Final Cut is excellent. Very deep and introspective and haunting at times. That's cool though man. To each his own!

I loved early Renaissance. Annie Haslam's voice! And Jon Camp's bass was so lyrical, and actually served as lead on so many songs.

I really liked this episode. How about underrated/under-preforming albums albums from the classic bands.

The Ace songs on Unmasked are great.

Diver Down? That's a very underrated album IMO. Too many covers for sure but most of them are good, better than the originals, and there's 3-4 great original tunes on there as well.

I find that opinions of best or worst albums can depend a lot on when you discovered it or the circumstances. My favorite Genesis album is the self titled 1983 record. It's when I first got into them and the first vinyl of theirs I purchased. That same year I got Kilroy Was Here and still love it to this day. Hot Space has its moments but I definitely turn it down a bit while I'm in traffic if you know what I mean. I'm curious how you'd rank the Stones discography.

I never did like Diver Down either. Maybe a couple songs.

Never Say Die is a better album than Technical Ecstasy

Love sabbath's born again album very underrated I feel

Van Halen - Diver Down was the first VH album I ever bought. I had a friend that introduced VH to me through that album. Yes, I learned of the greatness of the earlier albums after that. But, this one has some cool moments in it too. "Cathedral", "Little Guitars" and as a young drummer I loved Alex's playing on this too.

Love your channel, brother...

Never Say Die is underrated in my opinion. Everything is good on there for me except those last two tracks.

Never Say Die was an improvement on Technical Ecstasy. Johnny Blade, Junior's Eyes, Shock Wave, Air Dance, all really solid tunes. Even the title track and A Hard Road are catchy.

The cover photo for "Love Beach" is terrible. Emerson, Lake and Palmer look like The Bee Gees in that photo.

Dude, lyrics alone on Hold Your Fire rule! Lots of passion on that album. After all this time, I think it is now one of my favs... I appreicate your other rants though! LOL

Pete as always great rant. I have to say Never Say die is dear to my heart. I realize it's not the best effort. considering Ozzy had one foot out the door and the boys were in really bad shape. no excuses. it happened to be the first Sabbath record that i purchased so having the 8 track in the car i burned it in to my memory cells!

Hold Your Fire is worth it for Time Stand Still alone. Great lyrics, great music, great song.

Would like to see you do a review of Hawkwinds extensive catalog. In Search of Space and Hall of the Mountain Grill...the absolute pioneers of space rock. Lemmy Kilmister playing base on Silver Machine is unequaled! RIP Lemmy

I swear at first glance I read "Ratt stinker albums"

St. Anger by Metallica no guitar solos and Lars Ullrich using trash cans as drums At least that"s what it sounded like. Yes Lulu was worse but that was more or less a side project.

I remember how frustrated I would get after hearing 1 or 2 cuts off an album ,buying it and finding out that the rest sucked

I begged my dad to buy me that Styx album when I was eight years old & it had just come out. I made the mistake of taking it to my cousin's house where one of my older cousins or all of them carved obscenities into the vinyl on both sides ruining it. It was brand new. The next album my dad bought me was Quiet Riot...that never left my bedroom.

What are your opinions on Foreigner's "Agent Provocateur" and "Inside Information" albums? Me I thought they were mediocre albums compared to their first 4 albums although their two singles "I Want To Know What Love Is" and "Say You Will" were on par with their best singles.

Have to say I love "The final cut" Not pure Floyd but great Waters material.

Hold Your Fire is a great album, Mission is my favourite song off the album. I have them all on vinyl.

I liked Never Say Die more than Technical Ecstasy but both those albums were Sabbath on a down turn

“Life is Real” is also a good song from Hot Space.

Can't agree with Final Cut. The original CD on headphones (or better yet, the original vinyl) is stunning.

I'm as big a Roth era VH van as there ever was and I love 'Diver Down', would probably rank it my # 3 fav (behind VH ll and then VH 1). For sure it was rushed and kinda cobbled together , but I just love the originals ("Little Guitars", "Full Bug", etc.), they COMPLETELY made the covers their own, and , for a finale, they get Jan Van Halen to play clarinet with his boys and crank out one of the coolest covers ever put on vinyl, "Big, Bad Bill..."

I love the quick back tracking when Under Pressure was found.

A few that come to mind. The Soft Parade by The Doors, Kilroy Was Here by Styx, it's Hard by The Who, NYC Ghosts and Flowers by Sonic Youth, and Synchronicity by The Police. (A favorite of many fans, but dead last for me)

I was just getting into Rush when *Hold Your Fire* was released, so I still have a soft spot for it. (Love "Open Secrets," especially that blistering solo.) But I get it--it's a long way from classic Rush.

Hot space is Queen's worst album.

I was shocked when Evergrey suddenly was mentioned since most people who know the other bands you mentioned typically never heard of Evergrey. I agree Monday Morning Apocalypse is a weaker album since Tom went on record of using a more well known producer instead of producing it himself (at this point, Tom only produced Inner Circle. Andy LaRoque produced the other ones before it). I still think its a great album in its own right but it did grow on me overtime. I felt songs like "I Should", "Still in the Water", "The Dark I Walk You Through", "Till Dagmar", "I Should", "Obedience", etc are classics. I used to bash on it but one day, I realized how good it was. I actually messaged Tom, Rikard, Henrik, and Jonas when I did (several members know who I am. Rikard always says my first name when he sees me lol)

Great rant my friend. Except for Hold Your Fire 🔥 love that album. Great list!

Funny. The Final Cut is one of my all time favorite albums and definitely my favorite PF album. Different strokes for different folks. Great video!

Metallica - St Anger Iron Maiden - X Factor Megadeath - Risk Judas Priest - Demolition Black Sabbath - Forbidden

Kept waiting to hear his Mom yelling 'keep it down Rupert!!'

Do you have SPotify playlist for your fav?

You missed like 8 Metallica albums

The Final Cut is far from my favorite Floyd album, but I like it in sporadic spurts. Waters, again, decides to dedicate an album to the loss of his father in WW2, but the slowness of the album, to me, sounds more like a David Gilmour solo album, even though it's basically a Water's solo album with the rest of the band just following along.

Pete you have a great taste for rock,etc. music. Love your choice of concept albums and what ever you say is great i will always go through it and listen and its just great. Please do comment more about doom metal and southern rock bands. Keep it up Pete. .A fan from India Shillong Meghalaya. Northeastern part of India.

I like ELP's Love Beach, but I totally get your critique of it. I thought In The Hot Seat was worse, but that album was so under the radar that it didn't even chart and I doubt a lot of people even remember it. Love Beach came out while they were still a high-profile band commercially. Styx's Kilroy Was Here and Queen's Hot Space were two albums I tried really hard to like.

So glad you didn't include "In Through The Out Door" - the worst of Zeppelin was still far better than the best of almost everybody else. Perfect calls on "Love Beach," "Camera Camera," and "Open Your Eyes."

Ahh I loved Killroy Was Here - that was one of my go to albums back in the 80's. Just glad you didn't pick 'Tormato' for Yes. :)

Re Hot Space: the live version of Staying Power from Milton Keynes is great!

Had no use for Mindcrime II when it came out. Went back to it a couple of years ago and really like most of it. A few songs drag and I don't like how the album closes, but it's actually one of their more progressive albums in some ways. And that duet with Dio is worth the price of admission alone. Also, if you come in with the right mindset, Giant for a Day has a number of really good tunes (guilty pleasure?). IMO.

I'll take Diver Down over any Sammy album, even 5150, which was the first and the best of his tenure with VH. Thing about it is, I've been a Hagar fan from a long time back and love all his solo work. Its just after 5150, Van Halen turned into a big bowl of green jello; spewing out ballads for max airplay and big paychecks. The Van Halen name has just been a shell of what it was for at least the past 3 decades. Oh well, at least we did get 6-7 good albums out of them before they imploded!

Yes- "Open Your Eyes"...….Rush- "Test for Echo"...…..Genesis- "Calling all Stations...…..Pink Floyd- "The Final Cut"....Styx- Brave New World....Jethro Tull- Under Wraps

I agree with most of your selections except I like Never Say Die. It's one of my Sabbath favourites. One I would have added was Ozzy-No Rest For The Wicked! Love your content Pete!

Psycho Circus, Carnival of Souls, Hot In The Shade are much more stinkers than Unmasked.

RE: The Final Cut. More of a Roger Waters album and Another Brick part 2 without the hits. You have to be in a certain place in life to get into the depressing theme. And it's more of a 'headphone album' as opposed to a group listening album.

Diver Down is one of my favorites from Van Halen. I'm not surprised you have a few stinkers that I actually don't consider stinkers, but nice job anyways!

Hey Pete! I know you are busy doing Videos, and as you have said here in another video, you have a family which is a wonderful thing. I just wanted to throw an idea out here for you. I think it would be really cool for you to do a Video piece on great bands that never quite got their due, or were so far off the Radar, many haven't heard of them. Bands like ZEBRA, Y&T, Extreme, Triumph, Drivin & Cryin, Shooting Star, GAMMA (Ronnie Montrose) , etc, etc . Thanks for listening, and thank you for taking the time to release very interesting videos for us Rock Fans. Peace :)

I don't know what it is but I LOVE Hold Your Fire (Tai Shan excepting), and my heart sank when you held that one up to be honest. I would have agreed with the Presto choice for this though.

Was expecting at least 1 of these Load/Re-Load/St. Anger.

Meant Equator by Uriah Heep, not Equinox

Hey Pete, in some of your videos we can see a few guitars in the background. I'm sure some of us would like to see and hear you play. You gotta do it !

Hold Your Fire is a great Rush album , their most uplifting in my opinion.

I’m sure Roth is responsible for Van Halen doing god awful covers of Dancing in the Street and Oh Pretty Woman.

CCR "Mardi Gras" Example of too many cooks, spoiling the pot.

I really enjoy Never Say Die but at the same time I can hear why youd call it a stinker, sooo different, yet still some great tunes

I haven't liked anything by Yes since Going for the One. I also agree with your opinion on Love Beach and Hot Space.

one of the best black sabbath albums is headless cross

1st Black Sabbath I bought as a naive kid was "Technical Ecstasy." HORRIBLE! One good song on it. WAY worse than "Never Say Die."

I’ve always wondered if when some bands are in the studio is there someone like an engineer that is thinking this is “this is gonna be the St Anger for these guys and no one is telling them”

I love Never say Die, if you want a stinker out of that lineup, Technical Ecstacy was horrid

final cut is a master piece.

Agree on most of these.....love The Final Cut however, and still listen to Unmasked as well.

8:02 ... Pup is an AWESOME assistant.. :)

AC/DC - every album they did after the Razors Edge has been like, whatever. Even Black Ice was just okay.

"Hard Road" on Never Say Die is a Sabbath classic

Diver Down was one of the first records I ever bought with my own money. As a 9 year old in 1982 "Intruder" totally blew my mind.

This is the first time, since discovering this channel, that I'm catching this video, and it's over 2 years old. I laughed my ASS off the entire time. You were far more brutal back then, Pete, LOL! Some thoughts: Pink Floyd - Yeah, I always liked them best when they were a collective unit. There's none of that on FC, and it suffers for it. My least favorite, as well. ELP - I don't think it's so much that the songs are poppy, as much as it's a severe lack of passion. There's no enthusiasm here, to my ears. It was done out of contractual obligation, and it shows. Their reunion albums had a bit more spark, and as a result, I like those better. Love Beach is my least favorite, as well. Gentle Giant - Their weakest, I still love this album, even though you could tell it was their most contrived. Messages all over the album that signalled GG were near their end. Rush - This was the 2nd album I bought from Rush, so it's a sentimental favorite. Love the songs, too. Yes - Well, I honestly don't think they did too much that was all that great after Talk. Queen - Hahahaha!!! I still like this one, though. Dream Theater - Super-long, boring, not memorable. Yeah, there's even something about the production that gives these songs an artificial, watered-down quality. No bite or crunch, whatsoever. My least favorite.

What gets me is Queen does not have "Put Out the Fire" on any of the greatest hits collections. The album sucked but that song smokes. Better than a lot of the crap they did later.

VH Diver Down was their weakest. But has some great tunes. Hang 'em high, Secrets, Little Guitars, Another great Kinks cover Where have all the good times gone.

ELO- Discovery. That was when Jeff Lynne fired his string section and went full disco.

Love Diver Down. Little Guitars alone is worth price of admission. Pretty Woman and Dancing are good covers. It feels more like an ep than a proper album, it's fun and maybe a bit slight for VH, but for what it is it's great.

I consider "Dynasty" to be the crappier of the two "KISS Meets The 80's" records.