Rare Antique Fractal Vise [Restoration]
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Күн бұрынThis restoration was on an AMAZING vise that was made by the Mantle & Co., most likely in the 1920s. Very little history remains of that company or this vise they made, but the patent can be found here: patents.google.com/patent/US1...
If anyone has any information on this special tool, please contact me at handtoolrescue@gmail.com
This vise was found in a fairly poor condition with many holes drilled into it, broken castings, as well as a small jaw missing and swivel base missing.
I spent an insane amount of time thinking about how to approach the repairs as I really didn't want to risk doing something that could ruin things further, so naturally I chose the hardest and most risky option; cast iron welding.
I wanted to use pure cast iron rods to torch weld the holes in the vise so that the colour match of the repair would be perfect. Any repairs that were not going to be visible, were fixed with brazing.
I also completely re-japanned the whole vise with 5 coats of japanning.
Making the missing jaw was complicated enough that I had to get the machine shop that makes the wrenches and screwdrivers for me to 3D model it and replicate the part in-house. It turned out amazingly well!
A lot of this restoration was spent sanding and lapping mating surfaces to ensure the vise was actually useable and restored to previous working condition.
I shall keep this insanely unique vise forever and ever as it is just too interesting to part with!
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@HandToolRescue 2 жыл бұрын
Is this the greatest vise of all time? You can see more of it in action on my Instagram: instagram.com/handtoolrescue/
@sarchlalaith8836 2 жыл бұрын
If you're selling it, I'll buy
@logya 2 жыл бұрын
Hi , yep one of the most clever thing i saw in a long time ... And by the way , be careful , you will break the glass , again , if you're not lighter on it .... lol Peace from France ; )
@montesanot 2 жыл бұрын
yes, i must own one!
@MarcHarrisx 2 жыл бұрын
that is so clever and yet seemingly so obvious to make. that's why I'm not an inventor. i have zero fracts
@stevendegonia 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, $639.80 USD is not bad for a vise of that caliber and in such a lovingly restored condition as well! At that price, I suggest one vice for each piece of machinery you own!
@Ididathing 2 жыл бұрын
Its nice but i still prefer using my teeth!
@isailaraprieto 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Some good ol' australian wisdom
@knaveofknaves1709 2 жыл бұрын
Teeth are versatile tools. Perfect replacements for a center punch!
@kingofbleh 2 жыл бұрын
Of course he does a thing here too
@pitchblack2983 2 жыл бұрын
Did you do a thing?
@elijahheyrosa5398 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer my nails but teeth works fine too
@OlivierGomis 2 жыл бұрын
Now with this vise I can finally do what AvE has been telling us in all his videos...
@kevinmartin7760 2 жыл бұрын
Did you not listen to the disclaimer near the end?????
@zinckensteel 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinmartin7760 Sure, but he has his "RenisShield" installed, so it's not a problem.
@gregjames666 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinmartin7760 well done, had to drop the speed to .5 to hear it clearly. Both great Canadian KZfaqrs
@daviddavis703 2 жыл бұрын
@@gregjames666 you put "great" and "Canadian" in the same sentence... your a funny one!😉
@gordonfischer8484 2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha 36:00
@ToreDL87 5 ай бұрын
2 years later and with this video you've revived fractal vises to the point they're being manufactured and sold again.
@TheDioblo2345 2 ай бұрын
Yeah... for extremely high prices
@lukie4ever Ай бұрын
@@TheDioblo2345 thats probably just a "fraction" of the price
@HickLif3 Жыл бұрын
The amount of machining to make this thing to begin with blows my mind. I'm not a machinist at all but it's crazy to think about all the steps and different tools and even the order you would have to go in to make each individual part that is DOVETAILED into eachother
@dillonrose3428 Жыл бұрын
I’m a machinist and that’s how I think about every man made intricate thing. Begins to blow your mind on the daily. Also, this dude must smoke weed cuz the minor ways where I see exactly how something comes apart and watching him struggle had my heart on edge lol
@stanislavczebinski994 10 ай бұрын
Machining it is a feat indeed - designing it is another level. Before you can build it you have to envision it in your mind. I mean how in the world did the designer get the idea?
@EdwardBIl 9 ай бұрын
@@stanislavczebinski994 If my vice could just bend in the middle a bit that would be great. If my middle-bending-vice could just bend in the middle a bit that would be great. If my middle-bending-middle-bending-vice could just bend in the middle a bit that would be great. If my middle-bending-middle-bending-middle-bending-vice could just bend in the middle a bit that would be great...
@mikeduwe 2 жыл бұрын
Market value of these went up 10000% instantly, none of us knew they existed till this video and now we all want one.
@thetruthexperiment 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. If I see one in any condition what so ever I am taking it.
@REDxFROG 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah super important. My life depends on this one.
@jinglemyberries866 2 жыл бұрын
For sure lol! Though i wonder why there are no modern equivalents to this vise? (as far as i know)
@thetruthexperiment 2 жыл бұрын
@@jinglemyberries866 there will be now that there’s a market but this must have been expensive and new ones will also be expensive. Hours on a CNC Machine just to make one. Then assembly. Look for it on aliexpress in the next few months.
@jinglemyberries866 2 жыл бұрын
@@thetruthexperiment Yea lets hope these become available soon! Youre right, it'd definitely be expensive but if its built well, it'll be worth it in the long run IMO!
@bagochips834 2 жыл бұрын
29:37 when that vice was made, it was almost definitely before CNC was a thing, so all of those parts were hand spun on a lathe. Some dude with a lathe had the skill to make an articulated vice that adjusts to grip nearly anything, meanwhile I can't even make a square on an etch-a-sketch.
@CzornyLisek 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe not CNC but programmable lathes and so on are very old invention
@deth3021 2 жыл бұрын
1:00 bottom right. It was patented in 1914. So long before CNC.
@Beakerbite 2 жыл бұрын
@@deth3021 Sure, but you can get a lot done with fixtures, jigs, and stops. Requires a lot of manual setup, but then you can fire the same part out a thousand times, no CNC required.
@Baer1990 2 жыл бұрын
and then some idiot didn't know when to stop drilling lol How can you damage a vise like that?
@VestigialHead 2 жыл бұрын
@@Baer1990 I can just imagine some Grandpa who has loved this vice for 40 years reluctantly loaning it to his grandson who returned it full of drill holes. Envisioning the tears in Grandpa's eyes as he sees the damage. Then the questions by the family as to the whereabouts of aforementioned grandson. Pops: Have you seen Johnny? he has not been home in weeks. Last I heard he was bringing some tools you loaned him back to you.
@robharrington71 10 ай бұрын
This is my favorite video of yours.I've watched it multiple times, and am just fascinated by the design. I saw Adam Savage found one, so I came back to watch again. Here I am again marveling at the fact that someone hand built this in c. 1914, with belt driven lathes, slide rules, and a lot of trial and error. Thanks for sharing this It makes my day every time I watch.
@samiloom8565 9 ай бұрын
Same here watched adam ..i decided to watch this video again
@daprof7417 8 ай бұрын
Me too.
@snaplash 7 ай бұрын
This one flows the small jaws around the item every time, even the "soft" quill spring. The Chinese clone Adam picked up needs it's haws massaged around the item by hand, otherwise the jaws stick, even after lapping them: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a7yaqpmUmKiogIk.html
@donaldmatthies6026 2 жыл бұрын
Well at the price of $639.80, I'll take two please. The amount of thought that went into that vise back in the 1900s is amazing! Thank you for taking time to film, machine, edit and post this video.
@robdewberry2587 8 ай бұрын
Actually it’s $3049.80 $4.20 x 69 payments😏
@bobk.5883 5 ай бұрын
Not to mention the shipping@@robdewberry2587
@michaelblaes9847 2 ай бұрын
Tell me you smoke and are a guy, without telling me you smoke and are a guy. Please insinuate you also find fart jokes funny at the same time.
@Hisu0 2 ай бұрын
@@robdewberry2587 4.2x69=289.8
@smartereveryday 2 жыл бұрын
Well that's beautiful.
@0Rookie0 2 жыл бұрын
Quick, show this to Steve Mould and Matt Parker!
@inkorekt 2 жыл бұрын
It really is.
@nvme3012 2 жыл бұрын
19 minutes ago dang
@pistolmastertequila 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dustin 😀
@mitchtalmadge 2 жыл бұрын
Why are these vices not more popular? Seems like a great invention
@heavyballs8458 2 жыл бұрын
This brings new meaning to the term “they don’t build them like they used to” Ive never even heard of one of these vices
@marknicholson4132 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah me neither , am now sooooo wanting one..!😃
@Aoskar95 2 жыл бұрын
Probably fell out of favor. With a normal vise can easily maintain the same zero during serial production. This was probably more common before the use of NC machines
@dizzydial8081 2 жыл бұрын
Came to say this. You don't make profits from selling a quality product, sadly.
@mrkiky 2 жыл бұрын
Probably because it's a very expensive and sensitive piece of equipment that does what any cheap vice does, a little better. But in most cases that little better is not needed. If you have to clamp something uneven like that you just add a piece of wood and a piece of leather and it does the job. This design would be good for a workshop that specializes in highly variable, uneven workpieces that need to be gripped very securely, and I can't imagine what that can be to be honest.
@Zwettekop 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrkiky Maybe like a stone carver? It would have to be made out of plastic then.
@rickvanauken6364 2 жыл бұрын
Nearly every day I spend some time on KZfaq exploring for things I never knew. This fractal vise is an amazing device and your restoration was totally educational as well. Welding with cast iron rod…makes perfect sense!
@mrCetus 2 жыл бұрын
This is by far, one of the finest tool restorations I have ever seen. The Fractal Vise itself is absolutely amazing and it gave me a great sense of satisfaction to watch it being restored with such absolute care and attention to detail. Wonderful! Thank you for sharing.
@wolfrig2000 2 жыл бұрын
This has blown up in the 3d printing community. People are referencing this video and printing these out of plastic left and right! I keep seeing your video come up in 3d printing videos daily.
@varsityathlete9927 2 жыл бұрын
I read your comment and searched fractal vise, in the images instantly found this design made by 3d printing. awesome, but you what I thought was really remarkable is the turnabout, this video was released not even 3 weeks ago and people are always making their own one. shows the power of 3d printing. old fashioned industry 3 weeks in and its not left the drawing board.
@datboiya8942 2 жыл бұрын
Just came from 3d printing video lmao
@kyle_mk17 2 жыл бұрын
@@datboiya8942 was it teaching tech?
@lynniewood 2 жыл бұрын
@@varsityathlete9927 making something out of metal or wood is very different from making something in a 3d printer, if a print goes wrong or you need to change something you can just print it again, if you make a mistake in metal that could be a lot of work to change anything. Makes sense they spend more time in the planning phase.
@jonalexander2859 2 жыл бұрын
yea right after i said we could make these easily everyone was talking down to me saying how impossible it is.
@SableRaf 2 жыл бұрын
“someone drilled holes in the vice and lost a jaw” Sounds like an appropriate punishment to me
@LazerBrain11 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@TempoDrift1480 2 жыл бұрын
Ha for sure!
@MichaelHarto 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@ruudhooff6486 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@T..C..M 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@aarontfoulkes 10 ай бұрын
I have never seen a vice like that. I'm amazed at the engineering capabilites ( and machining capabilitees) that were present at that period in time. Your restoration is awesome...! Good job!
@woodrowcall3269 Жыл бұрын
I just found this today, a little late to the post. What a piece of engineering. Your restoration is great. Keep saving the past, it sure is better than what they make today.
@MadCrazeTheBlade708 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who doesn't use vises, I can count on one hand the number of times I have said "that's a cool vise" and this one is now number 1
@captainTubes 2 жыл бұрын
As an appreciator of vices, and having desired many beautiful and wonderful antique vices, I approve this comment.
@ominous9139 2 жыл бұрын
After 25 years as a professional mechanic I rarely see a tool that I am not at least familiar with. I had no idea that I had the wrong vise this entire time! Thanks for the video.
@TypeZeta2 2 жыл бұрын
So what is it used for? I really want to know
@ominous9139 2 жыл бұрын
@@TypeZeta2 getting a good hold on unusually shaped objects.
@TypeZeta2 2 жыл бұрын
@@ominous9139 that makes sense I was a bit confused on its purpose when I saw it but it’s still really cool
@ctloyd640 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, me either. 57 and been an avid tool guy since I got my first mini tool set and workbench at 7 years old. I never seen such an intriguing tool.
@allanwidner9276 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw it I remembered a dozen times at least I could have used something like this back when I had a shop.
@hootinouts 7 ай бұрын
My background was in tool and die making both out on the shop floor and as a designer in the drafting room and this is the first time I ever saw a vise this amazing. To think that this vise was designed and machined back in the early 1900's speaks volumes of the skill of the craftsmen. The restoration on this vise it top notch. So nice to see a treasure like this given a second life.
@ttoddh1 Жыл бұрын
What an amazing invention. I am 55 years old and never saw a vise like that. You did a great job.
@ajwilson605 2 жыл бұрын
As a kid in the late '50's, early '60's, I watched in awe when my grandfather used his fractal vise for holding small model parts he was manufacturing. He had been a tool and die maker starting in the teens and retired in the mid-'50's. In my youth I thought the way the vise worked was magic because I couldn't grasp just how intricate of a mechanism it was. He said he bought it for a special job he had at work and it was the best $19.50 he ever spent. If you consider he was making about $22 a week(in 1928), that was a lot of money. When he passed away in '65, my uncle got all his machinists and hand tools. My uncle sold them all to pay for his next drunken binge....... Great video!
@markusfalk9459 2 жыл бұрын
Well, we can only hope SOMEONE got ahold of that fractal vise and understood how much engineering went into it. I.E. Appreciates it. Also, A-hole uncle needs his come-uppance.
@X4Alpha4X 2 жыл бұрын
$20 in 1928 is only a little over $300 today, frankly finding a vice like that for $300 today would been seen as a steal.
@privatezim3637 2 жыл бұрын
@@X4Alpha4X only 69 payments of $4.20 is $289.80. definitely a steal
@X4Alpha4X 2 жыл бұрын
@@privatezim3637 ahhh but you seemed to have missed the $350 shipping! lol even still i would honestly gladly pay $640 for a vice like this
@GregorShapiro 2 жыл бұрын
@@privatezim3637 Plus $350 in shipping and handling...
@vanceplace1349 2 жыл бұрын
I hate that they don’t make stuff like this anymore. This is the coolest vice I’ve ever seen
@chronovore7234 2 жыл бұрын
They’re still made today, mostly used for engraving, but you have to custom order one.
@ricky107_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@chronovore7234 must be stupid expensive!
@wadebrewer7212 2 жыл бұрын
In interested. Where might I get one?
@vanceplace1349 2 жыл бұрын
@@chronovore7234 I’m thinking at least a thousand dollars
@vanceplace1349 2 жыл бұрын
@@ricky107_ definitely agree with that
@arzainc1 Жыл бұрын
It is almost unthinkable that they were able to chaine such a complex mechanism at the time... no CNC...That piece should be in a museum.
@savage22bolt32 Жыл бұрын
It sure looks too good to use it in the shop!
@andrewterry8661 10 ай бұрын
If that vice is almost unthinkable the Antikythera mechanism didn't happen lol. If you haven't heard of the Antikythera mechanism then prepare yourself...
@merlinkater7756 10 ай бұрын
@@andrewterry8661 There is also a great KZfaq series of someone reconstructing the Antikythera mechanism by hand. With ancient tools and techniques.
@Pinhead101 8 ай бұрын
Best zoomer comment from a boomer
@johnnyleach7152 Жыл бұрын
This channel is the best....for guys that like old school ingenuity. That vice is mechanical perfection.
@kroon275 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 50 years old, love engineering, and have never seen a vice like this before. Fucking awesome
@python357magnum100 2 жыл бұрын
As a machinist for 35 years, now retired, it’s a pleasure to watch someone take the time,effort and skill to do it right on every project.
@68able2 Жыл бұрын
you have an awesome name man
@python357magnum100 Жыл бұрын
@@68able2 Thank you 🍻
@jimbusmaximus4624 Жыл бұрын
A man who knows tolerance!!
@-MrFozzy- 9 ай бұрын
Honestly….this might be the most beautiful piece of machinery I’ve every seen, even before the cleanup
@dabbopabblo Жыл бұрын
This channel actually perfectly merges the world of comedy and antique repair, I don’t even watch antique repair videos but I watched this full to the end
@russbilzing5348 2 жыл бұрын
As a machinist, I can't count the number of times that I had to design and make vise jaws for one off jobs that this would have handled with no more than a shrug and a, "So? Wie so, denn?" attitude. Hey life, I want a do-over. Very fine work, sir.
@RubSomefastOnIt 2 жыл бұрын
I think a simplified set of something like these would be amazing for a Kurt. A tool room cnc, just toss an ugly rough cut piece of stock and go.
@ufc990 2 жыл бұрын
Yes sir, I came here just to say something similar! Would be so handy to have one of these in the shop
@RubSomefastOnIt 2 жыл бұрын
@@stanervin6108 sure just like bars of soap do...
@0mars0mars0 2 жыл бұрын
Aber warum und wie ist das benutzt
@stijnlombaert8396 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn' t it be hard to get reference points and positioning?
@SeanHodgins 2 жыл бұрын
Regular vise: 5 parts, cast iron, loose non-critical tolerances. Fractal vise: Too many parts to count, machined steel, incredibly tight tolerance, each channel selectively mated and labeled. I think I see why these didn't become popular.
@TheRealColBosch 2 жыл бұрын
"Solution in search of a problem" comes to mind.
@avbates79 2 жыл бұрын
Won't hold a banana. I would love the ability to grip irregular shapes on my mill. Probably very expensive back then because of the complex mfg. but now cnc could bring the cost down. Not a replacement for my wilton, but I would buy one
@moonrazk 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealColBosch More like "very expensive perfect solution for problems that can be solved with creative, albeit imperfect solutions".
@getin3949 2 жыл бұрын
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@sarchlalaith8836 2 жыл бұрын
Tolerances don't have to be that precise though, those dove tails don't have to be that precise, they don't have to be steel either. Just because something is easier to make, doesn't mean it should be preferred.
@trosketj Жыл бұрын
The most amazing tool I’ve ever seen. I enjoy your humor and the unusual assortment of tools you restore. Nice Channel!
@drengskap 10 ай бұрын
Insane amounts of precision machining and fitting in this tool - I don't really need one, but I'm just happy to know that it exists.
@-Deena. 2 жыл бұрын
A fractal vise made by Mantle - but one piece was missing. After making a replacement new part you now have the complete Mantlebrot Set 😁
@SpiacyLos 2 жыл бұрын
next: restoration of Sierpiński carpet
@mattsadventureswithart5764 2 жыл бұрын
That is a proper Dad-joke!
@randyallaway4085 2 жыл бұрын
Okay, that was pretty good.
@-Deena. 2 жыл бұрын
@@randyallaway4085 Why thank you! I thought so 😁 ❤
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@michaelgrubbs1618 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine inventing and then actually building this piece over a hundred years ago. The engineering is insane and quite unique
@Pyrohawk 2 жыл бұрын
Someone applied the same principle to mathematical functions and BANG the internet happened
@szewal 2 жыл бұрын
I mean let be honest, it's not that impressive or revolutionary, considering what inventions had preceded it. It's only 100 years
@Rich-je9fy 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t say it’s that impressive in an engineering sense, but it’s very creative in its use of fractals
@michaelgrubbs1618 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rich-je9fy may I ask how old you are rich. All due respect
@TheBarcodebilly 2 жыл бұрын
The radius ways really got me for being that old, along with the tolerances
@wirelesmike73 Жыл бұрын
That is an amazing piece of engineering, and some impressive work in restoring it to its intended functionality. Remaking the missing part had to be an interesting voyage, considering each one was numbered to fit individually in its own place. Well done, Sir.
@tommylitchfield3450 10 ай бұрын
Slowly, S.L.O.W.L.Y. close the blast cabinet.... Then sandblast like a MADMAN!!!! This made the whole video worth watching, all by itself! Very well done, HTR!!
@wesleytownsend8214 2 жыл бұрын
I’d play a lot of cash for that vice. Damn in seven decades on this earth I’ve only seen a few of these gems. Good on you for preserving one. I wish you all the best!
@megan00b8 2 жыл бұрын
Does no-one make these anymore? It seems pretty useful. Or do you mean this exact model from that specific company?
@wesleytownsend8214 2 жыл бұрын
@@megan00b8 I haven’t seen one for sale in probably 30+ years but I agree that if no one makes them then they should.
@megan00b8 2 жыл бұрын
@@wesleytownsend8214 wow, I mean sure, you will need this mainly just for limited kinds of uses, but there's a kazilion tools that are only for extremely specific uses and are being sold fine, it's weird that these are missing on the market entirely.
@Teknophobe 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Beautiful piece of equipment. It's the kind of thing you may not need for year's, but when you need it. It's essential.
@wesleytownsend8214 2 жыл бұрын
@@Teknophobe absolutely agree and it would be great to have one with both steel and rubber (or another softer material) interchangeable inserts. I do some wood carving/inlays/engraving on corbels and other oddly shaped pieces, and these would be very efficient to hold a piece in place securely. The only fractal vices/clamps I have found online were old and rusty and the seller wanted an insane amount of money for them. I wish you good health and all the best to you and your!
@PhilVandelay 2 жыл бұрын
This thing is so freaking cool! Loved that you managed to add the missing jaw, we need to preserve this for future generations
@troywolverton3067 2 жыл бұрын
Are you related to Art Vandelay
@IndianaDundee 2 жыл бұрын
They need to reproduce these so we can buy one.
@littlejackalo5326 2 жыл бұрын
@@troywolverton3067 in the latex industry
@hriatpuiachhakchuak8394 2 жыл бұрын
We need to put this back into production
@jonwatson9765 2 жыл бұрын
I'd buy one even if I never found a use for it.
@rickmcdonald1557 Жыл бұрын
You-Sir are quite the artist with the tools in your shop and that special vise is quite a treasure and so important that you restored it to new condition for all to admire. You deserve to be Knighted~!!! The editing alone wins the prize~!!
@sinlokemp Жыл бұрын
This is the coolest tool ever seen and what an amazing restoration! Simply loved it.
@davidhamilton7628 2 жыл бұрын
The guy who drew this up without cad was on a different wavelength
@marsrocket 2 жыл бұрын
If it’s truly fractal it would only require a drawing of one jaw. Just change the scale each time you make one.
@TheVexCortex 2 жыл бұрын
@@marsrocket That would be _identical,_ not fractal. For each fractal, the radii changes, both the inside and outside. You still require a drawing for each fractal.
@bacicinvatteneaca 2 жыл бұрын
@@marsrocket fractals aren't typically self-similar
@mmi16 2 жыл бұрын
Inventors of yore had minds better the CAD/CAM - the thing many of their inventions lacked were the materials to be successful.
@THESLlCK 2 жыл бұрын
if you just pick up a pencil once in your lifetime, you'll realize they're quite easy to use
@SavageShooter93 2 жыл бұрын
this vice is one of the most elegant tools I have ever seen.
@siriustraveler7083 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely beautiful restoration of a Fractal Vise these are so hard to come by anymore ❤
@MD-en3zm Жыл бұрын
Interesting to see a fractal vise was created long before humans even defined or understood anything about fractals - just something that was seen as a solution to a problem and that worked well. Very nice restoration.
@dmac1259 11 ай бұрын
The fractal vice did not come before the fractal. "Fractal" is shorthand for fractional dimension it's a mathematic term.
@TheGuitologist 2 жыл бұрын
Fractal vise...fractal vise...bless my homeland forever.
@payneman 2 жыл бұрын
I understood that reference, edelweiss 🎶
@2boredfortv 2 жыл бұрын
And me knowing you'd make some kind of Tool reference
@greypoet2 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I sang it. lol
@The_CIA 2 жыл бұрын
*Excuse me, the real lyrics are "TABLE VICE".*
@davidgolden6068 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@crabmansteve6844 2 жыл бұрын
This thing is the definition of "tolerance stacking".
@michaelrogers4157 2 жыл бұрын
Fucking right? I want one now just to display with a plaque that has that phrase alone. See how many people get it.
@BeN0lf 2 жыл бұрын
has anyone got any idea as to how the hell those curved dovetails were machined?
@JainZar1 2 жыл бұрын
My guess is, that that vise was handfitted, thus no tolerances to worry about.
@JainZar1 2 жыл бұрын
@Inspired Introvert Copy-Lathes alone have been around for at least one century, probably more than two.
@joshschneider9766 2 жыл бұрын
The curved dovetails were made with an inside slotting tool on a lathe. Probably a turret lathe in 1913 but I'm not sure
@dtj9923 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful rescue job. I can't imagine how much that vise could cost today even with CNC production automation. The assembly process alone must take hours.
@Private-GtngxNMBKvYzXyPq 10 ай бұрын
Respect to the one(s) who crafted this and to the one who restored it. Thank you for sharing.
@WadeWeigle 2 жыл бұрын
The man hours in machining to create this Vice without the aid of computers is mind boggling. It must have cost $20 in 1914!!! Excellent video, thank you.
@The_Mimewar 2 жыл бұрын
It’s absolutely BEAUTIFUL TOO. I’m AMAZED I’ve never seen one of these before
@frotz661 2 жыл бұрын
For a price perspective here, the $20 coin of the time contained about 96% of a troy ounce of gold. The current spot price for a troy ounce of gold is $1,804.90.
@Synthmilk 2 жыл бұрын
@@frotz661 Seems about right if not actually on the low end considering the incredibly precise machining of the part. Those tolerances are incredible for something made back then.
@Martin.Wilson 2 жыл бұрын
Or as Derek from Vice Grip Garage says...."mind bottling". LOL
@lazarpejic6415 2 жыл бұрын
I mean forging also existed back then
@biobiobio7777 2 жыл бұрын
I never even heard of a fractal vice until now and I think it's one of the coolest things ever!
@PeachiiWubs 2 жыл бұрын
Same, the original creator was a genius lol
@rebuz87 2 жыл бұрын
Same! That thing is so cool!
@mileslong3904 2 жыл бұрын
It's one of the most useful things I've ever seen and I don't see how I can live without it.
@yvonnewilson3505 2 жыл бұрын
VERY SNEAKY !! 😎
@ICYPROFITS 2 жыл бұрын
@@mileslong3904 good luck finding one. If you do they either don't know what they have or you're going to pay atleast $1k
@Orbacron Жыл бұрын
I hope you keep this one in the workshop.. You have earned it👍🏻
@BreydonsRC 2 жыл бұрын
I machined for 25 years, and I can think of hundreds of uses for this vise. You did an AMAZING restoration! They just don't make things like this anymore, and it is a real shame, because this vise is a work of art. And there aren't many people like you that would go through this much trouble to restore it. So thank you so much for bringing it back from the past! New subscriber man!
@blobymcblobface 2 жыл бұрын
What kind of machining did you do? My dad had a 3 axis milling machine in our garage for most of my life. If he still had the old Fadal I'd imagine he'd be looking for one of these vices now.
@BreydonsRC 2 жыл бұрын
@@blobymcblobface I started of working at job shops making Aerospace and military components, then went into the racing industry for about 8 years making parts for mostly NASCAR and IndyCar. From there I went back into Aerospace where I finished my career after becoming disabled.
@jasonbarnes8047 2 жыл бұрын
That was my exact thought, that's why I sent Ave a line that maybe this could help with his cnc tooling and such. I believe it would make life easier as long as you could get it figured out how to accurately clamp in each time
@BreydonsRC 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonbarnes8047 I imagine these vises were made for castings where you just needed to clamp the part in and face it off. But as long as your casting was symmetrical it should pretty much locate the same way every time. You could always add a fixed stop on one side. So something with holes and other details wouldn't be hard to machine in this as long as your casting allowed for some deviation. Which is why the vise had drill gouges in the base when this project was started ;) I've made complex fixtures for a lot of cast parts that this vise would have been absolutely perfect for. It is just funny how we have evolved away from making tools like this. If you think about the old machinists, and how innovative they had to be to make things, it is just sad. CNC's have done away with a lot of growth of individuals as far as building machining skills.
@jasonbarnes8047 2 жыл бұрын
@@BreydonsRC exactly that was my line of thought plus you reduce stress and markings on items when you can actually spend the weight out over the entire piece. I really do miss the days of making things that were not only engineered to last but to span across all walks of life. Now they just care about dumping dime store quality items on the market knowing they'll buy another if they need to replace it. Some call it cheap but I absolutely enjoy actually getting into something thats broken and repairing it.
@JayAbel 2 жыл бұрын
That's such a cool design. I didn't even know this kind of vise existed.
@notyourbuddy_guy 2 жыл бұрын
Same, I need one now
@brandonharrington1422 2 жыл бұрын
Took the words right out of my mouth!
@stephenrobb8759 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts as well. Really cool to see it, Plus the rebuild and full functionality... awesome
@robertnorman3181 2 жыл бұрын
I just said the same thing and I've been a machinist for 20 yrs.
@jimyeats 2 жыл бұрын
I quick Google search barely brings up any info on them. Basically the only thing that comes up is from within the last few days related to this restoration.
@DrachenGothik666 10 ай бұрын
I came here because of Adam Savage getting one of these fascinating devices. You had me chortling in surprise when you said you were mentally stable, then licked your table! LOL This was beautiful restoration. Very soothing. Gorgeous work. Thank you.
@zaaltchkuaseli4439 Жыл бұрын
I'm going crazy about this guys humour :D the presentation at the end was just fabulous
@MachoCool558 2 жыл бұрын
This vise has literally made me weep. It is beautiful. If I had a tool like this in my life I would talk to it everyday. Thank you for restoring it and making it whole again, I feel our grandparents and great grandparents are relieved.
@dielaughing73 2 жыл бұрын
It's really one of the most beautiful bits of engineering I've ever seen
@rg3412 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine what was going through the head of the guy who invented this device back in 1913! Hours of sleepless nights. No computers, no phones, no distractions. Pure thoughts.
@foggy7595 Жыл бұрын
You ever see a mechanical engineer work? Takes a lot more than thoughts, lots of writing instruments...
@kavinsp Жыл бұрын
Engineering graphics 💥
@theinterwebs4443 Жыл бұрын
In the 18OO's a dude under candle light invented a 4dimensional array that they use in aircfats, robotics and computer graphics. Then his buddy was like hold my beer and came up with an 8 Dimensional array, which is still baffling to most people today. It is amazing what the human imagination can come up with when all the distractions are removed.
@pthrelkeld090 2 жыл бұрын
There are no words for how incredible and beautiful this is, this was designed by a very unique individual
@danielb.9897 7 ай бұрын
He must have been possessed of a remarkably creative mind. There was no CAD back then or anything of the sort... this guy thought of the movements and shapes of every part of this thing in his head. Such an artist he must have been
@johnschweinberg8085 Жыл бұрын
As always Eric, another great job, and, pretty good (oily) humor too. Entertainment for the entire family!
@Chris-zm5mj 2 жыл бұрын
The vice is testament to the tremendous skills of the designers and engineers of the day, making all those intricate parts without CAD. it is a piece of artwork. The guy doing the restoration is a skilled engineer and a dab hand had freehand scribble😂. Great vid
@excitedbox5705 2 жыл бұрын
not that hard from a math stand point. In reality you could use a fly cutter to cut all those shapes. They are just circles of various sizes..
@Chris-zm5mj 2 жыл бұрын
now days with CNC yeah though in those days it was done by an engineer who had skills though is clearly made from circular steel
@silivrengamer 2 жыл бұрын
We all these days have to be reminded from time to time that really what computers do are two things: make hard work faster, and make certain otherwise difficult physical skills accessible to more people because you no longer need gigantic hot forges, access to metal ore, and other sundry things to make these tools anymore.
@adeline4610 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Very cool
@LiveFreeOrDieDH 2 жыл бұрын
They are literally circular sections, probably cut from bar stock. It has to be circular. Nothing else could work. The trick is in the precision machining of the sliding joints, rather than the design.
@suicidebylifestyle9267 2 жыл бұрын
I've never wanted a tool more in my entire fucking life than right now...
@MikeBarbarossa 2 жыл бұрын
You've been tempted by luscious tool porn
@lotusdev 2 жыл бұрын
There's a Stephen J Lindsay who's made a modern version.
@djarcforceable Жыл бұрын
Whoever invented this style of vise was one heck of a brilliant engineer.
@titusdaniel 11 ай бұрын
Just goes to show, sometimes the best ideas don't thrive, not due to any fault of their own. I bet this was really expensive to manufacture back in the day. Probably still would be.
@ericgofreed1651 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video. Thanks for not adding music. The sounds of you working is so much better
@lindybeige 2 жыл бұрын
Stupendous! Amazing what they could make without robot lathes.
@Mucdaba 2 жыл бұрын
oh hey! i would have never expected to see lindybeige here!
@MrLaz0rz 2 жыл бұрын
You do have good taste, sir.
@adamwarlock8263 2 жыл бұрын
who let Lloyd in here? :P
@bedientvondeutschland1779 2 жыл бұрын
A man is a poor persons robot.
@jonc8074 2 жыл бұрын
@@bedientvondeutschland1779 analog control unit
@mikedl1105 2 жыл бұрын
I've only just now learned of the existence of this thing, and I want one
@TreyCook21 2 жыл бұрын
It's the coolest thing I've ever seen. I hope to find one someday.
@happyundertaker6255 2 жыл бұрын
Same!
@james_robnett 2 жыл бұрын
Same, I didn't realize I was in the market for another vise till I saw this.
@leemcgann6470 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah!
@IrradiatedFeline 2 жыл бұрын
I am kind of angry right now. That thing would have helped alot back then when i was in training to become a welder.
@leonardodalongisland 10 ай бұрын
I wound up here via Adam Savage's channel. Glad I "found" you. great work. My favorite moment was when you made sure that top screw was perfectly parallel with the end of the block.
@DlSASTERCHlLD 2 жыл бұрын
This has got to be one of the coolest tools I will never need but wish I had.
@FFVoyager 2 жыл бұрын
I'd have one just look at!
@jdmccorful 2 жыл бұрын
@@FFVoyager Ditto!
@whitefeather5629 2 жыл бұрын
Might use it once or twice. But probably not for what it was truely meant for. So cool though
@petersmith9530 2 жыл бұрын
@@whitefeather5629 Agreed.
@FireAngelOfLondon 2 жыл бұрын
For an engraver this would be worth it's weight in platinum. You never know what a customer is going to want engraved, and working out safe ways to clamp things for engraving is often a large part of the art. This would reduce the time spent making custom jigs almost to zero. That said, I am not an engraver and I want one too...
@bobw222 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised someone hasn't started making new ones of these. Very nice restoration!
@nissan300ztt 2 жыл бұрын
Norgen makes them. But not like this. Very similar clamping idea though.
@k9m42 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesmackes4531 capitalism is what allowed that advice to be created in the first place.
@kellydarrius 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesmackes4531 Do you really think diluted capitalism is to blame for the lack of these? Mixed economies have largely prevailed, and these grips were patented in 1912 by an inventor from Austria-Hungary. These things probably costed a fortune and aren't all that necessary, sure they are neat, but it is a little silly to bring economic systems into this, unless you really just want to hate on mixed economies.
@tomsmith5216 2 жыл бұрын
@@kellydarrius Came for a mechanical restoration video and a political debate broke out...
@andyd9900 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomsmith5216 Weird I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out. And just what I need one more vice.
@hon.mr.ronburgundyiiiesq.2096 10 ай бұрын
Don't know why this was recommended but... dude, you have the best intro on you tube. I rewatched it like 5 times and almost pissed my pants I laughed so hard. Also, never realized I needed a fractal vise until now!
@94Angelwing Жыл бұрын
What a wonderful vise and restoration. I'd never heard of a fractal vise before!
@kvsteve 2 жыл бұрын
Good lord! What an amazing vice. Beautiful restoration. And it doesn't even stink of something buried in the yard for a week to look old. You are KING! (the, they, them)
@bryceforsyth8521 2 жыл бұрын
(the, they, them) ?
@kvsteve 2 жыл бұрын
@@bryceforsyth8521 Humor?
@bryceforsyth8521 2 жыл бұрын
@@kvsteve Okay then. I still don't understand, but I'll not make any more fuss.
@stelth4162 2 жыл бұрын
You can keep your sitcoms. This is genuine entertainment here, as well as being educational, inspiring, and astonishing. And even humorous at times. Just the amount of handwork is unbelievable. The precision with which this vise was made, as well as the precision with which it was restored is hard to believe.
@drakefallentine8351 Жыл бұрын
Very specialized and versatile. I can imagine this was developed for securing odd shaped castings for spot facing or drilling. Unique
@Dbean48 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic break down and cleaning and creating new pieces to completion in reassembling. Great job, like the video, sent it on to my friends and family hope they enjoy it as much I have..👍🏻
@guymandude999 2 жыл бұрын
I was so impressed with this vice that I went into a dissociative fugue state, dug a pit and buried all my posessions, demolished my house, gave all my money to the Hari Krishnas, and moved to Madagascar to live naked. Keep up the great videos!
@guymandude999 2 жыл бұрын
@Max Apogee Sorry man, Madagascar wifi sucks, can't seem to compl
@normanbuchanan9710 2 жыл бұрын
@Max Apogee 🤣😅
@webtoedman 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I thought I saw you running through the marketplace...
@SethKotta 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know this type of vise existed, but seeing the drill marks and the missing jar still hurt my feelings.
@brendanliamgill99 2 жыл бұрын
It's called being used and abused for 100 years. Ive seen 1 year old vices in worse condition in woodshop in high school because of people not watching where they drill
@nunyabisnass1141 2 жыл бұрын
@@brendanliamgill99 my shop teacher made us put a piece of scrap pine under whatever we were drilling in the press, bevsuse its easy to feel the difference when breaking through the work, or see different colour waste. Its something i still do...because drill bits are expensive and a pain to sharpen.
@chaos.corner 2 жыл бұрын
@@nunyabisnass1141 It also helps avoid tear-out on the exit.
@nunyabisnass1141 2 жыл бұрын
@@chaos.corner are we talking about drilling wood or anal?
@philstephes 2 жыл бұрын
@@nunyabisnass1141 what's the difference?
@soupernutt9508 Жыл бұрын
This vise blew my mind. I'd never heard of one for all these decades. They sell a few very lame versions of this (and very small ones go for about $3K). Love your sense of humor, too, Beautiful job with the vise and the video. And you explained Japaning, which I'd never heard-of either. But I think I've seen it.
@TheEvertw 10 ай бұрын
Cutting those tiny circular dovetails without being able to fit them is quite the measuring feat! Well done!
@mikehorvath9661 2 жыл бұрын
That “Good Eats” reference was BRILLIANT! As well was the rest of the restoration. Great job as always.
@kotadawndragon 2 жыл бұрын
I knew I recognized that music from somewhere. It's been so long since I've seen that show.
@GMCiaramella 2 жыл бұрын
Whoever designed that vise was an absolute genius!
@T..C..M 2 жыл бұрын
Same guys that discovered DNA lol. Must've been a great trip!
@brownie3454 2 жыл бұрын
a monkey with a wrench could make this...
@TheChzoronzon 2 жыл бұрын
@@brownie3454 stfu Les
@gavinward1758 2 жыл бұрын
@@brownie3454 Guarantee you ain't made shit
@stonkeng 10 ай бұрын
love it, never heard of a Fractal Vice before. The advert at the end makes me want to buy one! Thanks for the video.
@guillermorosario4578 11 ай бұрын
Machining beast; also, hell of a braze and cast iron weld job. Jappaning came out nice too! 👍
@LilacStarbloom 2 жыл бұрын
11:38 “Have you ever heard a robot dying?” is never something I thought I’d read and I’m quite frankly terrified
@PeanutBUtter-px4gk 2 жыл бұрын
This is the coolest piece of equipment I’ve ever seen, hands down. An absolute work of art.
@brandonwest8108 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, you should definitely get out WAY more.. or at least watch some more KZfaq or something hahah, yeah it's a handy vise with a cool design..
@ralphM1114 10 ай бұрын
Imagine designing, planning, and machining this without any modern aids, and with just what was available back in the 1910s. Mind-boggling.
@mrsillywalk 5 ай бұрын
I am 75 and my father was a toolmaker. He was the man who made the tools that made the tools.
@markbeiser 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know that kind of vice existed, now I feel like I can't live without one!
@MrTylero28 2 жыл бұрын
That tongue lick after the “I’m mentally stable” part had me rolling!!
@ClintCompton1 Жыл бұрын
Love the 80's sitcom intro, nice work on the vise too.
@hitheremynameisbingo Жыл бұрын
I was not expecting the licking, I made the weirdest noise 🤣 I love your sense of humor in all your videos
@pcebydcasable 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone going in about the vice, which is cool and all, but hats off to the good eats reference.
@Apathymiller 2 жыл бұрын
Ive watched it twice, must have missed that...
@TacticallyGrumpy 2 жыл бұрын
I laughed like an idiot as soon as I heard the music. The vice is super cool too I guess.
@hugeinjapan4635 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@PvtDBJackson 2 жыл бұрын
@@Apathymiller Music at 20:45.
@Apathymiller 2 жыл бұрын
@@PvtDBJackson ahhh, i was watching without sound, just the very few captions lol
@blahfnblahfnblah 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the little details and side humor of the video. Example: The riff on the Good Eats theme when you're putting the vise in the oven. Hilarious!
@atlys258 2 жыл бұрын
I know right! Hahaha I was cracking up 🤣🤣
@danshaffer7624 10 күн бұрын
The glass jar and then subscribe written with the help of the vise! Lol and thank you for demonstrating the techniques needed to repair…
@HoriaStanga Ай бұрын
Wow ! This is just simply AMAZING ! Respect for the man who conceive this art of work !👏👏👏👏
@nickmeriweather587 2 жыл бұрын
I went from not knowing these even existing to searching for one in exactly 36 minutes and 19 seconds. Awesome stuff!
@USAlien234 2 жыл бұрын
Please let me know if you find one ! I want one so bad. I cant beleive they dont remake these ! Its an insanely useful looking tool.
@estebanespinoza5022 2 жыл бұрын
Can we stop for a second and appreciate the nod to “Good Eats” when he was showing the Japanning “recipe”?!? Brilliant!
@AzPureheart 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up on Alton Brown man, wish i had all his shows so I can go back down memory lane!
@jearlblah5169 2 жыл бұрын
@@AzPureheart they are doing a reboot of it
@jacobstgelais25 2 жыл бұрын
That was a great show
@Monkeynuts502 2 жыл бұрын
@@AzPureheart I own all the seasons on dvd for that very reason, lol.
@mattchagnon5620 Жыл бұрын
Your opening to the video is absolutely perfect
@megwilcox2878 Жыл бұрын
Dude, I like your style, and that vice made my jaw literally drop. I looked like a carp. For many moments.
@alw8355 2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was a machinist and after he passed away my dad ended up with all the old tools, which i now own and one of these happens to be a part of that collection.... still works like new 80+ years later
@mecabrico 2 жыл бұрын
I think this video just upped the rate for this kind of tool in the (very unlikely) case you want to sell it. :-)
@LabGecko 2 жыл бұрын
It most certainly did.
@xXFabe1upXx 2 жыл бұрын
Prove it.
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