RARE HISTORIC Shotokan Karate Video - Keio University 1974 Bo, Sai, Kata, Bunkai (Part 2/2)

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RARE HISTORIC Shotokan Karate Video - Keio University 1974 Bo, Sai, Kata, Bunkai (Part 2/2)

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@shotojukukai 2 жыл бұрын

Kanazawa's "version" of Shushi No Kon Sho was recognizable but very different than what we do today. Also very surprising to see "non" shotokan kata being demonstrated too.

@betapwtomaszbyjos 2 жыл бұрын

To kata Shotokan ćwiczone z Gichin i Gigo Funakoshi, niektóre z nich nie weszły do nauki JKA ale w Keio cały czas się je trenuje. Widać dodatkowe techniki w Unsu, takźe inne wykonanie Suparimpei, Seienchin i innych kata. Trzeba przyznać że JKA technicznie stoi na znacznie wyższym poziomie technicznym.

@PhinTheShoto Жыл бұрын

Kanazawa also had a version of Shushi no Kon? Would you happen to know where I can find it or if he studied any other bo katas? I'd like to see and learn what he practised. 😁

@frankw.5157 7 ай бұрын

Seienchin kannte ich bisher nur von Kancho Kanazawa im Shotokan, identisch mit der Ausführung im Shito ryu. Die Ausführung von Kadomatsu Yoshiro aus dem Jahr 1962 zeigt eine dem Shotokan angepasste Variante. Beindruckend. Schade das diese Form sich im modernen Shotoryu nicht durchgesetzt hat und somit leider eine (fast)vergessene Form ist. Sehr interessant die Anpassungen: Kiba statt Shiko Dachi und der daraus resultierenden Winkel der Handtechniken... Morote Uke in Zenkutsu Dachi... Age statt Mawashi Empi... Morote Empi... Es wäre sicher interessant zu erfahren wie es zu dieser Variante gekommen ist. Arrigatou

@deanzpencer3168 2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks for uploading this Gem of information for an Amateur researcher. Respect to Master Obama, Master Kazumi Tabata and Keio University Karate club for sharing it. A Beautiful link for Karate history… perhaps evolving for the better or worse Depending on your study. Thank you very much. Osu !

@nackc 2 жыл бұрын

We thank you for getting something out of it! Makes it worthwhile.

@sirt1252 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, guys! This footage is impressive!!! 🙂

@mitakaratekai Жыл бұрын

We are Mita-karatekai , members graduated from KEIO KARATE CLUB. Thank you for uploading these rare videos. This video was produced at 50th Anniversary of KEIO KARATE CLUB. Many masters apear on these videos. Would you mind if we upload these videos in our channel?

@nackc Жыл бұрын

By all means! The description of this video (and the other) has some wording we would appreciate having you include in the description of your own and any derivative video. We are trying to keep a handle on people grabbing it without credit (we were lucky to find it, encode it, and spend time subtitling and time-stamping it). If anyone should repost it, you should, and we would love any information you would like to share about it. We understand there may be a gentleman or two in these videos who are still involved in your club!

@mitakaratekai Жыл бұрын

@@nackc Thank you for replying！ All of them who apear in these videos are the members of our almini association, "mita-karatekai（三田空手会）”. So am I. We know well each other. it's very luck to find them and would like to introduce. I wonder how you get these videos that we don't keep already.

@nackc Жыл бұрын

@@mitakaratekai Our founder, Kazumi Tabata, studied with Master Isao Obata. Master Tabata studied at Waseda and came to the United States at the request of Master Obata. When Sensei Tabata died in 2020, this film was found in his personal effects. We digitized it, took a look and realized how interesting and important it was so we translated it, added subtitles, and uploaded it here. It must have been a gift from someone, perhaps Master Obata himself. Very glad it got preserved this way for you guys, too!

@mitakaratekai Жыл бұрын

I under stood all. Waseda and Keio are both Shotokan Karate and been very good rivals since established. We held the annual match event. I don’t know Tabata-sensei, but hear our old members about him. Someone knows him probably! Thank you for much information.

@gcumings Жыл бұрын

Thank you for reaching out. I have some other items that may be of interest to your organization. Do you have an email address?

@igorkuz3816 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this historical video!

@BachScholar 2 жыл бұрын

Shotokan is such a strong style, which I practiced many years ago. I remember after a few years of learning Shotokan and then I took a Tae Kwondo class over the summer and it just wasn't the same. Shotokan is superior in every way to Tae Kwondo which is a weak style that emphasizes showy tactics that are basically useless. In Tae Kwondo they don't recoil their kicks but they let their leg just hang there. I found this to be really weak. Traditional Shotokan is a great style full of no nonsense, no show for show's sake, and power!

@maccaholmes4854 2 жыл бұрын

Bullshit...impractical rubbish

@elchapito4580 Жыл бұрын

@@maccaholmes4854 🤡

@bigsidable 3 жыл бұрын

I do all Shotokan Kata’s with weapons. Sai, Jo, Two Sticks. Bokken. One stick. Really expands the Training.

@petercrawford5085 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting this, it was very interesting (although sometimes painful) to watch. Some odd little quirks in the Shotokan kata, but the general level of performance was so bad (and in this case, I mean "inconsistent") that I'm wondering whether these oddities were glimpses into the way that Funakoshi would have done the kata, or just mistakes! The Unsu in particular was *very* odd. Also, the level of the Naha te kata and the kobujutsu was a bit of a givaway that these were probably little more than curios that sat outside the main syllabus. The way the guy handled the sai made me think he didn't practice with them very often, and the Sanchin looked like just going through the motions.

@nuni712 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

@nicochevez2124 3 жыл бұрын

Thx so much! 🥋🥋

@dogguyful 2 жыл бұрын

Old is gold, oss👍👍👌👌👊👊🥊🥊🙏🙏🥋🥋

@iraomaiden3918 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent! Thanks! Osss!

@davidhorino5404 2 жыл бұрын

These are all Shotokan karateka? Interesting they are doing Sanchin, Seienchin/Seiyunchin, and Suparinpei.

@HenryBellinger 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Funakoshi Sensei had his students study kata under other teachers than himself. The collection that stuck with the JKA is different to the one that Keio University kept hold of. Worth remembering that O-Sensei totally rejected the idea of styles, I think!

@elchapito4580 Жыл бұрын

Plenty of Shotokan folks do Sanchin or Suparimpei or any other kata from any other style they might like to do. You really have to lose the blinkers and stop following blindly those who decide things on your behalf. There are many kata out there, just practice anyone of them you feel like trying. You don't need anybody's permission.

@matthewbaumann630 28 күн бұрын

@@HenryBellinger Is the Keio University club still open? Is there any way to see their curriculum?

@HenryBellinger 28 күн бұрын

@@matthewbaumann630 it is, but no there's not.

@matthewbaumann630 28 күн бұрын

@@HenryBellinger Thanks. I'm curious about old Shotokan Karate and which kata they did and if there is any bunkai. I don't like the way the JKA does bunkai for distance fighting instead of self defense.

@williamdasilvaramos706 2 жыл бұрын

Ótimo vídeo OSU

@c602 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Kata today has become too sanitized in my opinion.

@sramdeojohn4428 2 жыл бұрын

👏🙌👏

@daviderusso1238 5 ай бұрын

Why Sanchin in Shotokan?

Жыл бұрын

Does anyone have more information about the teacher Tetsuro Noguchi? Do you know what school he comes from?

@nackc Жыл бұрын

Hi, not sure what you mean. He was Keio class of 1940, so in his 50's in the video and probably over 100 now if he's still with us. So Keio, but not sure about what he did subsequently. Maybe someone else knows something.

Жыл бұрын

@@nackc Thanks for your reply. Could you tell me what style of karate was practiced in the Keio class? Or where was the Keio class? I want to investigate about this kata, that's why the interest. Thanks and regards.

@nackc Жыл бұрын

@ This is Shotokan Karate. Isao Obata was its first captain. There is still a very strong alumni organization at Keio University. I would suggest searching there. There are probably people you could reach out to.

@AYURINDIA Жыл бұрын

Goju riyu Sachin is perfect

@Jo-id9zm 2 жыл бұрын

Weird version of Unsu he did there

@Garinm 2 жыл бұрын

It’s probably from Shito Ryu.

@Jo-id9zm 2 жыл бұрын

@@Garinm you might be right. I also noticed some differences in the other kata - like the second technique in goju we would do kukotso dachi instead of neko ashi dachi, and in Sochin there are quite a few differences in stances and techniques. One interesting technique was the (I think) uchi uke he did after the yoko geri, and not the conventional empi uchi.

@elchapito4580 Жыл бұрын

*Please, understand that there isn't such a thing as "very rare video" once it's been posted on KZfaq (or the internet in general). That's called: logic.*

@salvatoreplacidoplumari3840 2 жыл бұрын

Sanchin in Shotokan?

@nackc 2 жыл бұрын

The Keio club goes back to before the syllabus was codified by the JKA.

@brianp7464 2 жыл бұрын

@@nackc So the JKA syllabus has 26 kata....but the Style might have more kata , and kobudo??

@nackc 2 жыл бұрын

@@brianp7464 Yes. Shotokan is basically the style taught at Shoto's (Funakoshi's) place. It can be a big tent. Our Sensei Tabata required some bo kata for promotion. Many of our folks have also trained with another Waseda graduate who includes bo in the curriculum as well. The Asai organization people have some kata that were created by Sensei Asai himself. Everything comes down to who's teaching and then you can argue about what "Shotokan" is.

@Jo-id9zm 2 жыл бұрын

We do sanchin in shotokan often

@francescoaiello8352 Жыл бұрын

Il Maestro Funakoshi è nato ad Okinawa Ed ha studiato karate con i più grandi Maestri di Okinawa...per cui è normale trovare le forme classiche degli stili autoctoni...lo Shotokan che pratichiamo e molto diverso perché risente marcatamente dell'influenza di Giko che lo ha modificato in molti aspetti.Comunque si Funakoshi praticava il sanchin come studente e la insegnò ai primi allievi

@user-yh4zx4ky9j 2 жыл бұрын

It’s old but doesn’t mean it’s good.

@elchapito4580 Жыл бұрын

Wise comment. I wonder why you didn't get a "heart badge" from the channel.

@matthewbaumann630 28 күн бұрын

Why isn't it good?

@user-yh4zx4ky9j 27 күн бұрын

@@matthewbaumann630 there are many segments in this video. I would say it’s an old video of Beginner ‘s practice. It does reveal what’s alike back in those days but it can’t serve as a reference like those JKA old training recording out there. Tons of mistakes out there and fundamentals were wrongfully executed. If you can’t see these point, it’s your skill level. I Cant help.