Ravel was probably the best orchestrator of all times

Urizen He IS

@@TheSummoner He is probably the best orchetrator, but orchestral composer was Stravinsky.

Urizen I keep holst and ravel as a tie for best orchestrators, that’s hands down. Idk if there is a best composer that’s really subjective

@@TheSummoner this is Just oversaying...

Seemingly not unusual for Ravel though, given that he wrote Bolero basically by accident and again at breakneck speed when the piece he had intended to orchestrate turned out to be under copyright ....

@@iankemp1131 Bolero doesn't contain as many musical ideas though ;) Unless you count different orchestral colours...

Where did his knowledge of harp technique come from - it seems a little ‘transcendental’?

@@markhughes7927 ravel learned from the most respected music education in france, I'm sure he learned a lot about orchestration there.

@@markhughes7927 I was actually just wondering this. I played it while I was studying, and although it's really difficult, he really knew how to make it work to the technical advantage of the harpist.

is this from the among us video with a harp in round two??

@@hmmph yeah

Tons of singing, ear training which means notating music by ear and checking against a written score, study orchestration --- and in his day WITHOUT HAVING RECORDING TECHNOLOGY --- so you tried whenever you could afford it to go to concerts. One thing about composers then - they had to perform or conduct. They need not be the best but good enough to get the chance to hear how these instruments sounded ensembles. I think for many aspiring composers, they should be VERY careful using modern technology. I would try NOT to go to a recording when studying a work. Yes if you have heard a recording before great but put that aside and study carefully what the composer actually provides in the score - it can be quite revealing. Here is one example, I love the Brahms 3rd and the 3rd movement is well-known. But when I study the score I try to get away from recordings and sing the inner lines or at times the melody and bass. It is a great way to internalize a piece. Finally, in Ravel's time many people studied an instrument to at least play folk and popular melodies as well as some music to play together (early on for instruments it was called "consort music"). And of course there has been for thousands of years opportunities to sing and dance together with people providing percussion. Too many simply are plugged into their headphones (heightening their risk for deafness) and treating music as a sonic wallpaper to their lives while they scroll mindlessly through pictures and headlines- half-aware.

@@chrissahar2014 You defined why we did not have more composers as we had until very recently!

@@chrissahar2014 Thank you!

@@chrissahar2014 Maestro!

@@chrissahar2014 can confirm: when i'm listening to music I don't 'listen' to it.

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So did a few hundred Hollywood score-writers. Not to diminish at all your writing, but I hear his music everywhere now. Daphnes et Chloe must echo in a hundred scores from the 30s to the 50s. Of course, they should pay homage also to Holst, Shostakovitch, Rachmaninoff, Hovannes, Copeland..

David Randall not to mention Mahler and Strauss...

@@stynway59 is that not exactly what he meant by the "modern standard"? also I'd throw bartok and dvorak in there too

And were you to live 10 times as long you would still only be beginning to learn...

I would stick Delius in with that bunch and laterly Les Baxter

nail on the head there, absolutely beautiful !

Ravel can do those things to u

I see rolling green fields and England in summer, trees swaying gently in the breeze...and a garden too.

@Jordan Schlansky merci beaucoup

I see a dear or two grazing and leaping through your garden 🙃

Yes indeed. A sonic garden will appear in the mind's eye. Masters like Ravel and Chopin can make us see pictures... if we choose to see.

Indeed

It's not soothing to play, I can tell you that much 🤣🤣🥵🥵

david manze wonderful analysis of this wonderful work---totally agree--this piece goes its own way and delightfully so...

I'm not even a fan of the harp.. not sure why.. but this Ravellian excursion captures me every time

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Rest in peace may she

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I think it's too obvious not to be the case

Ravel was his own genius, but held Debussy’s Apres midi to be the most beautiful piece ever written.

yes there is a similarity in style.

i just took a shower while this was on loop so amazing

And with just seven instruments!! Ravel is a true magician. A incredible composer and an unbeatable orchestrator!

And he didnt even include this in his biography. He thought it was a commissioned throwaway!

@@dhliebowitz Hi!!

@@dhliebowitz Wait a minute...

It’s not about the ending it’s about the whole thing leading up 2 it

“I’ll get back to this soon” *Last online 2 years ago*

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+Brendon Phillips You're right but it was composed to showcase the harp. I believe Ravel wrote it for a commission for Playel, the harp manufacturers.

Claude Debussy oooh debussy, jealous much?

proof magic is real

I rarely find music written for the harp very engaging for long.. its ethereal quality is usually over-exploited for me. Ironic isn't it that the consummate craftsman Ravel created this as a possibly commercial (is that true?) showpiece for an instrument he wasn't trained in, but of course studied in the way he analyzed every instrument before he wrote for it (including the human voice) and created one of its best showcases. This features the harp's evanescence yes, but also its potential for muscularity, pure melody, rhythmic drive, and all in one glorious unified package of sonic delight which shines on its own musical merits

I think it's the most difficult part!

So terribly incorrect. While he may have been influencial, in influencing garbage, when the world stops with this religious outlook on music he will fall far into irrelevancy. He is very incompetent in all that isn't orchestration. A minor subset of music.

​@@Whatismusic123you must be a Chopin fan, what do you know about music. Ravel can singlehandedly take down Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, Bach and all your shitty composers combined.

This person is a troll, just ignore them ->@@Whatismusic123

@@Whatismusic123 Are you seriously implying that Ravel isn't important as a composer, only as an orchestrator? If that's what you mean, that's absolutely the worst take in music I've ever read on youtube.

@@1banez not implying, saying.

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hyungs solo was so funny😂

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For me, it’s Ravel and Schubert!

What other Ravel pieces have you heard? If you need any recommendations, I’ve got plenty!

I agree.

spotted

I find that his his extraordinary ability lies often in the rare talent to take a simple melody, as he was always melody, and exploit it through color, surprise, rhythm, and ultimately, the most gratifying.resolution. Had he only lived longer..