A 2 time mvp is under pressure. Lamar has been the second best qb in the league for 6 years. And gets discussed like he's a bum. Its disgraceful.

MAGA Bobby let Mark slide. Shout out to Sarah!

Thank you Sarah, for calling out Coach Harbs on his part in lack of playoff successes since 2012 ! As.much as there are plenty of teams that would snap up John if he left Baltimore, there are plenty of coaches who would not have lost playoff games (by getting away from their historic run games) after destroying every good team they played in the regular season !

I have never heard of any quarterback developing a wide receiver

I paused the video at 0:09 to get an idea from the comments how the tone of this conversation was gonna go… after reading i think im gonna skip this episode. I just don’t plan to engage in nonsensical conversation with people who just don’t like Lamar. If joe burrow or Josh Allen (QBs i love to watch) had 2 MVPs and no SBs we would not be having this conversation. If you disagree just look at how universally Aaron Rodgers has been loved since 2010

No disrespect but I Don't know what Mark talking about. Marquis brown improved every year that he was in Baltimore

How does he know what Lamar does or doesn’t do and comparing him to Peyton and TB12 decades into tgeir career.

Yea why you guys let him be disrespectful? Pretty disappointed with yall 😢

Lamar Jackson was in a pro offensive system at Louisville I think he could've ran Flacco Offensive system

Patriots developed players, not TB12. Tampa had multiple great wrs.

He wanted Lamar to play wr. He has never been a Lamar fan. Rodgers had Davante Adams and Jordy Nelson.

Now its not on lamar??? Mark is back tracking hard. Dude got the clicks and attention he wanted.

Sarah thank you for backing up your points with historical data and facts. You did your thing.

Raven fan but Mark is right on multiple things here. I could care less about MVP’s. I care about playoffs. Lamar has played awful in the playoffs. He’s 2-4 in the playoffs with 6 TD’s and 6 INT’s. That speaks for itself. I know it’s not all on Lamar but if you want the narrative to change he needs to play better in the playoffs. I’m hoping with Henry and a still stacked defense they can make another serious Super Bowl run and win it all. I would love to see Lamar win a Super Bowl MVP and hoist the Lombardi up.

Mark is stubborn and clearly only wanted to counter. Stubbornness served him well as an athlete but as an analyst being able to receive new information and let go of old beliefs is what a sophisticated analyst is required to do.... hey maybe he just enjoys the clicks

not sure mark made any concise points about his opinion on Lamar. a lot of beating around the bush and round about answers to discredit lamar. 15 minute segment on hollywood leaving. the entire org was over Roman, hollywood included. hollywood publicly said he loved playing w LJ. but were still going to discredit LJ?

I'm getting sick and tired of everybody criticizing this young man. He's 27 and won 2 MVPs and 3 All-Star appearances.. Remember Lamar missed Games in 20,21 and 22 seasons... Everybody's killing him because of his playoff record. But what QB besides Mahomes won more SB in the last 4 years.. And truth be told I left out his Heisman trophy 🏆 when he should've won 2...🤷🏿‍♂️

the context helped... he was comparing Lamar to Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Peyton Manning. if these all-time greats are standard he has for Lamar, then that shows what he really thinks of him.

SARAH HELD IT DOWN!! 💪💪🤣

Really is odd, that he seems to somewhat acknowledge that the Ravens way isn't conducive to big WR numbers. That its a part of what makes big FA receivers wary of coming here. Then he goes on a long involved anecdote involving Manning. How is that relevant? Manning had the keys, way earlier in his career than Lamar. He was always in a scheme far more balanced. Still, didn't do any better than Lamar his first 6 seasons, in terms of playoff success. This guys one of those goal posts carriers. It's no coincidence, that he co signed the calls for Lamar to switch positions when he came into the NFL. He was in the crowd, believing he wouldn't have success in the league, with his style of play. Now that he can't say, that he can't win, he switches to, let's burn him for not having playoff success fast enough. The mental gymnastics, are in overdrive. I don't care if the scheme hampered you for years. I don't care if you have contemporaries that also haven't won a chip yet. I don't care if you haven't had elite help. I need to diminish all of the positives on your resume. I know people like Nick Wright, will jump on this train. He's just like that anonymous coach. What you haven't done, will always outshine anything you accomplish. These guys can't help being totally see through.

Yall crazy for bringing him on those old heads know one thing and thats color he speaking from that place not football he shown you his side already

Why is it okay that burrow and Allen have achieved less?

Schereth wasn't telling Elway to develop receivers.

Thanks Sarah it’s hard to take these guys serious when he didn’t know why Hollywood wanted to leave but he want to talk about WR in Baltimore 😂 it’s just comical, Lamar did save harbs, that’s how you check him on all the foolishness he was talking you was rite on the money 😈

He said Lamar doesn't develop receivers lol . Lamar takes any of his receivers that's willing to participate with him on the off-season just to practice with him alone to make them better smh. I love the way you guys handled that. You guys were very classy while making him eat his words 😂

Why is he using the 2 best QBs in recent history in comparison to Lamar. Long ass unnecessary story smh 😅

Lamar doesnt play like an MVP when he gets to the playoffs. We've blamed coaching and wrs, we improved on both, we're still blaming coaching and wrs (or at least still asking for a #1), either harbaugh gets the boot or lamar needs to start getting more blame (from fans, not media)

Ive never heard any other qb become responsible for developing the wr's. Lamar has been held to a different standard from the moment he was drafted. Thats the problem.

The quarterbacks developed wide receivers what are receiver coaches for?

I have NEVER seen someone backstroke this hard out of water! This was complete BULLcrap!!!!

cult it’s a lamar haters cult with these people who don’t like lamar style of play

Lets be honest. Sarah clearly one the debate. Mark basically back tracked from his comments about Lamar. How many times did he say it wasnt Lamar fault. It makes me believe that he was say8ng those things for pure entertainment purposes. He even stated that the producers use the clips and they say things to get the debate going. Not one time did he have a direct response to what Sarah said. Mark is good at what he did. He answers without directly answering. Those are are complaining just like to complain. Agree to disagree. It was a respectful debate.

This man has no idea what he’s talking about. Literally

Gotta at least give Mark credit for coming on the show. Think you both did a great job setting the record straight on points like the real reason why Marquise Brown left Baltimore and who saved whose job between Lamar/Harbaugh. At the end of the day, we have to realize that there will always be skeptics who push narratives about Lamar until he lifts that Lombardi this February. And depending on how biased they are against his style of play or how skeptical they were of him in the pre-draft process, it may not even be till back to back titles before they reluctantly rank him where he deserves. Considering how the Ravnes in general and Lamar in particular feed off the skepticism, keep it coming en route to that 3rd MVP and 1 of many rings to come.

Before this season we had every right to say he had no weapons, his best WR was a tight end and our best running back was in fact our quarterback. Now this season though we have no excuses.

Great conversation. Thanks

Receivers have to block, which is why taking Hollywood over DK was an absolute flop

He is contradicting himself

They gave give options and be subject all day. But there’s no denying the FACT that Lamar has missed a start or more in every season SMH

Sarah was bringing the heat! OMG. 😊

I'd like to know if mark has ever demanded that any other qb develope their wr's. Ive never heard that.

It's Greg Lewis job to develop receivers. Did Zay get a personal fouls in the championship game? Did Zay fumble at the one yard ? It's 31 quarterbacks in the NFL to critique but Lamar is always brought up by analysts for exposure. Bucky Brooks did it 3 years ago Mike Foolio did it last year, and now this clown.

Ravens were 30th in pass attempts in the league last year. And look what Lamar did with that last year. Guy has done more with less than any other QB in the passing game. Some context, Schlereth....

I do not feel bad as zi read other comments that not everyone has an hour plus to examine every detail in the broadcast. I apologize because Sarah did a great job. She really pushed Mark but he pushed right back... Arguably, she definitely did not defend the Ravens... She actually went hard at them... Honestly, the clip which focuses on Mark's segment was A plus , plus.... It was tense, exciting and honest... My point though is I am not Jackson fan nor a Dilfer nor Flacco guy. The standard is not a Bernie Kosar or Pre Terrel Davis Broncos standard. The standard is a Ray Lewis standard... SB or bust!!!

I disagree with the development comment made about Lamar and his WRs. I believe both Lamar and Monken have done a great job featuring Zay and showcasing his 1st round talent. I can't remember what round Mark was drafted in but Lamar and MAN-drews have developed a continuity that has 89 a-top the TE list and even Likely being a backup to Mark has carved out a name for himself due to his connection with 8. Hollywood even as an undersized wideout was clocking 1000 yrd due to his developed connection with 8. I haven't heard too much about Willy Snead sense his departure from Charm city but when he was here, he and Lamar connected on many big time 3rd downs. I truly believe he would have built a name for himself if it was in the cards for him to remain a Raven, he and Lamar had a real connection as well. I maybe misunderstand Marks use of the word "developing" WRs but from my vantage point Lamar is feeding his guys and his guys are very receptive to his in game coaching. I do like the story Schlereth told about Manning icing receivers out of practice for not running the route the way Manning wanted it ran. That may speak to what could be going on with 7 and 8 on the field. They seem like two drastically different personalities that still need more time to develop that TRUZZ. I mainly think this due to injury and some off the field growing pains but I bet 7 has a breakout szn this year.......I hope

I can’t wait for Lamar to lift up the Lombardi then point and laugh at all of the haters stupid faces.

These comments are coming from an ex player who has no clue about developing WRs or QBs. Stay in your lane Mark.

Bobby and Sarah getting everyone on. Get Rob Parker next he actually chose Lamar over Mahomes. Yes he does like to be different but his reasons are beyond valid and he knows football very well. Edit also that was top 5 episode ever. Even tho stink will be proven wrong on the very end.

wow! this bias man is a true double talkerjust saying

I don’t mind Lamar being criticized but there is no balance to it. With great expectations usually comes with respect and grace which Lamar never gets.

For all that, whoever don’t make it to the Super Bowl playoff in the playoffs so it’s not the mall it’s still 30 something of a quarterback, but we talked about it. Let it make sense now.

Thank you sarah and bobby for going out of your way to get mark on here. Love that you two are open to having these conversations and dont let them devolve into non sense and yelling over each other.

Yes the coaching team has to be right!!! Thank you

Really they don’t want Lamar to play like he need to play, like he need to run when he need to and dominate, forget that pocket passing stuff

Different style qb, Payton didn’t have the arm Lamar have. By the way, don’t use Brady, Payton or Mahomes because the nfl cater to them. I believe no matter what you say the games was rigged

Hurts second year, the eagles traded for AJ Brown.

he is right about alot that he saying but lamar is still young and dont think its fair to compare him to 3of the best quarterbacks to play the game he still needs more time?

He making takes on his silly beliefs and wants. Not reality on ground about Lamar. He's a fraud with a fraud agenda.

This guy is a clown and a back tracker. he insinuated no WR wanted to come to baltimore cuz of lamar. then he said they dont want to come because of run first team. but like sarah said any of these top free agent WR will play for lamar or worst for big money. so lamar gets blamed cuz ravens smart enough to not pay these crazy receiver prices? Then he brought up devonta adams. what is Adams record in playoffs? lol. how many rings he got? we got to stop thinking top WR ends in SB cuz if its 10 good ones right now only a 1 or 2 prob have championships.

You should have a segment called Bobby's A-Trossett-teesss He should be the first guest. I've been watching the vault since day one. I love the show Sarah is awesome. Stay blessed let's get this Super Bowl W! Let's Make history like baking a cake with Martin Luther face

Damn good analysis, mark.

Sometimes it looks like he knows what he’s talking about then gets just loses me

I agree with mark 100%

Ravens fans are Lamar fans get this bozo out of here

Why did Lamar not have more on his plate year two? This guy is biased. I won't say you're racist because no one knows, but you basically said Lamar is slow to pick up things.

Lamar is home team so if you diss him you dissing the ravens

One of the things that I wish was addressed was, if he believes that Josh Allen and Joe Burrow are better QBs than Lamar, then why aren't they talked about having wayy more pressure on them than Lamar. Lamar has proved he can consistently make the playoffs, has great regular season awards, but the other QBs in the league that haven't achieved half of what Lamar has achieved, then they need to be under WAY more pressure than Lamar. Those teams like the Bengals and Bills have bet their future on QBs that haven't accomplished hardly anything. Make it make sense 🙄

Lamar is the BEST RUNNING QB OF ALL TIME, better than Mike Vick and Cam Newton. Still needs to grow as a passer, esp. needs to hone the cerebral aspect of quarterbacking. When defensive coordinators force him to beat them from the pocket in playoff games, Lamar melts down.

@thewunderkindshow should've been here bro💯

I'm a black man and what's happened to our culture is so sad...our Men can't handle any views that don't kiss our ass or make us feel good.

Only 10 mins in and I agree 💯 with Mark so far. Lamar is NOT demanding greatness and perfection from his WRs and from the outside looking in doesn't work with them nearly enough like a Brady or Peyton would. Lamar SHOULD have 2 rings rn tbh... BOTH of his MVP szns we had the talent to win it all. I agree 💯 that if you and your WRs aren't on the same page then you get things like Lamar not throwing WRs open but rather waiting to throw the ball AFTER a break/cut instead of knowing where they are going to be and where he wants/needs them to be. Demand perfection, if you fall short of perfection then at least you'll still be great

So much 🧢 is this lecture.

Mark Drops Jewels But Only The Unbias Ears Can Hear

he just want be relevant. i don’t know this dude

Lamar Does Have Weapons, And He Do Need To Step It Up In The Post Season He Choked In AFCCG, This Coming From A Raven's Fan Home Grown Who Believes He Already A HoF

Mark you ain’t say nothing wrong I may not agree with every single point but I respect your take and perspective I’ve said a few of those points on my channel in the past years

The worst vault episode & guest yet

Schlereth was spot on with his takes. You have Raven fans and u have Lamar fans. He gave a gem when he said Elway told him that its up to the OL on 1st and 2nd down and on him 3rd down and when a big play was needed. Somebody needs to tell Lamar that. A certain someone should have kept their mouth shut and let him talk more. It was also rude to leave early, couldn't wait five minutes more to put your pots and pans to work. Does anybody know what the 13 year veteran of the Ravens organization did while employed there. Hopefully it wasn't being a secretary . Anyway what would help the ravens the most is if they could sign Flacco to take over from Jackson in the playoffs.

I don't understand what Sarah & Bobby are arguing about... Mark Schelereth observations and comments are pretty logical and convincing.