Forgot to mention it while filming but the Morays get a C-. Will update it on the ranking list when the overhaul is finished: crinacle.com/rankings/iems
@robinflg8066 Жыл бұрын
So you’re saying they pass? 😅
@ctyoung0271 Жыл бұрын
The overhaul is gonna be so nice once it's finally complete. Thanks for doing all the work you do for us.
@samiraperi467 Жыл бұрын
Better than expected.
@1Dominic1 Жыл бұрын
I feel like at this point, putting "gaming" on a set of headphones, ear buds or anything of the sort just means there decent headphones with more bass then needed, which, hey, I like bass, but there is more to gaming then that.
@thanks_dad___ Жыл бұрын
Please compare them to the Final Audio VR3000, they need more time in the limelight
@Tigrexuga13 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the Razer x Crinacle project then
@blindsniper35 Жыл бұрын
Considering the only good/decent audio product I can think of from razor is a DAC that was a collaboration with THX. That would probably be a good idea for razor to stick to collaborating with people that know what they're doing.
@TinchoX Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah😂
@metal571 Жыл бұрын
But if it had a usable FR it wouldn't fit with all the other audio products from the brand lmao
@velocity790 Жыл бұрын
Won't be surprised since Crin is literally 25mins away from razer HQ SG.
@jedisoldier Жыл бұрын
@@blindsniper35ironically enough razer actually bought thx a while back. Doesn’t appear to have helped anything but just diluted the thx brand
@xlr8442 Жыл бұрын
If it sits in your ear But it's not great to hear That's a Moray!
@Fuzzy_Llama Жыл бұрын
i actually sang that. XD
@myquietreviewsfeaturingc.t9354 Жыл бұрын
Now this comment just made my day 😂😂😂😂👍🏿
@vincesims8839 Жыл бұрын
😂😂🤣🤣 lmao love this!
@rachelsnyder794 Жыл бұрын
if it"s stuck in your head but it sounds mostly dead you're a dolt
@Metal_seer7 ай бұрын
Clever!
@HSkelter Жыл бұрын
In my experience, if you want a good set of "gaming" headphones/IEMs, just get a good set of comfortable music headphones/IEMs and a standalone mic if you need/want one. Sound is sound. Don't pay for marketing.
@leaf8396 Жыл бұрын
Yeah… but some are better than others specifically for gaming. Hitting specific frequencies is really important for audio intensive shooters, so it is definitely something to consider. Dont pay attention to me tho, i have some cheap truthear c crinacle zeroes, but still miles better than my £160 headset for games
@justuslm Жыл бұрын
The only real advantage for gaming is to get something v-shaped. Not because treble gives you more spatial clues or anything (realistically, with hundreds of hours in the game, you will get used to both the sounds themselves and how they sound on your head-/earphones so you will easily pick them out anyway), but because deep, thumping bass and accentuated treble make gunshots and explosions sound more impactful, as well as giving engines a more full sound. And of course tastefully v-shaped head-/earphones will also be well suited for music listening.
@aaronv3859 Жыл бұрын
you forgot the convenience part. this is kinda niche but as a uni student and an esports player, i find myself often resorting to just use the crappy headset at a cybercafe or borrow my friend's headset bcs my moondrop chu doesnt have a mic lol.
@kujiko88 Жыл бұрын
I just use a pair of HD 599 and a Razer Seiren (was on sale) and I've never had any issues with audio quality going either direction. Every headset I've bought has always had some sort of deal breaker. Too tight on the head, sound wasn't good, cables would die for no reason, mic sucked, etc.
@simonrockstream Жыл бұрын
no shit.
@SuperReview Жыл бұрын
Putting “gaming” in the name has got to be one of the most effective marketing strategies of all time. Waiting for gaming jackets, gaming compact sedans, gaming coffee mugs, gaming leaf blowers, etc.
@VSN-wb2ly8 ай бұрын
dont forget the rgb gimmick
@418_im_a_teapot7 ай бұрын
Need a gaming bed, for that competitive advantage in my sleep
@ThibautMahringer Жыл бұрын
Razer : "We have tuned these IEMs to not be aggressive" Also Razer : Flat bass with big 2khz and 6khz peaks Yeah... Sure... Nice Job.
@mister_magister3798 Жыл бұрын
2kHz peak… ouch it's just… ouch
@hufranklin9925 Жыл бұрын
If Razer gives their IEM a boom mic, its sound graph just won't matter anymore🤪
@WalkMrJ Жыл бұрын
The frequency of footsteps turned up with the frequency of gun shots turned down. Yeah. This is what I want.
@mister_magister3798 Жыл бұрын
@@WalkMrJ frequency of footsteps is quite high, but not 2/6kHz i believe
@VSN-wb2ly8 ай бұрын
@@mister_magister3798 footsteps frequency is varied, sometimes it's in low mid and sometimes it's upper midrange
@morgan2488 Жыл бұрын
from what i'm understanding solely from this review, these IEMs are marketed wrong. it seems like this should be marketed as a streamer IEM, rather than a gaming IEM, made to be used for long time streaming use that isn't specifically made to be competitive all the time
@why_tho_ Жыл бұрын
you hit the nail right on the head
@lebronjames5287 Жыл бұрын
They have always marketed anything with a gamer tag
@jeeewhyyypheee Жыл бұрын
@@lebronjames5287 This, if a company already put a tag on it then they need to really deliver it
@fuad000100 Жыл бұрын
Then again that price tag
@katrinabryce Жыл бұрын
@@RavenL1337 Confortable to wear, good enough sound?
@flashjor98 Жыл бұрын
Imagine the Truthear zero signature with Razer Moray comfort at $80. Razer could easily take over the gaming IEM market with that combo. Razer if you're reading this I know you don't like to listen to your consumers (the Cobra), but listen to Crin and make some magic happen.
@Alepap. Жыл бұрын
No, clearly what this iem needs is RGB, and Synapse
@iamjorj Жыл бұрын
@@Alepap. kinda shocked they don't already have that
@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh Жыл бұрын
that would be TOO GOOD, Razer is definitely NOT doing that LMAO
@Cupzero007 Жыл бұрын
seriously, they should reach out Crin to tuning their next IEM (and just removes the THX gimmick for cheaper price)
@ACE112ACE112 Жыл бұрын
@@Alepap. synapse lol. required login lmao
@Hashim1 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes finally I've been waiting for so long this gonna be fun to watch
@jetflash100 Жыл бұрын
Since crinacle can't say it, I will. The closest thing to a gaming profile, funny enough, is the harman curve, which makes crinnacle's original zero the best gaming iem.
@user-dv6yo5bc4z Жыл бұрын
I think future collab sets could be those optimized greater with comfort.
@__vha Жыл бұрын
It's been echoed by many FPS gamers that the Zero is a fantastic IEM. There's been a surge of popularity with IEMs for gamers because of the comfort and light weight, seems like Razer is just trying to ride the "fad" among gamers without making an actual good product.
@seankuhn6633 Жыл бұрын
I came hear to say this also! I agree 100% they are so good i got 2 Truthear x Criancle Zeros 1 as a back up
@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh Жыл бұрын
yep, seems most (if not all) game studios master and design their audio with the classic harman target/curve so it makes sense why the Crin Zero excels at gaming (having the extra driver in crossover is what actually helps it above the other 1DD price competitors that also target the Harman Curve).
@jetflash100 Жыл бұрын
@zioperaza2500 if gaming OG1. Reds are a better music experience but lose what makes OG1 good at gaming.
@discoRyne Жыл бұрын
I ran through the Hexa, Hola and Zero:Red for multiple hours in CSGO and Quake and found the Hexa with AutoEQ loaded up had insane positional audio capabilities. Found myself tracking opponents through walls easier than my HD6XX somehow. The only downside is the comfort difference but the drivers found in that set are absolutely brilliant with the W1 tips installed.
@Like13Pirates Жыл бұрын
Could you explain a little more about autoeq? Would it work for the zero red? That’s what I use for PUBG and they have been the best I have ever used. But could I make them better?
@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah Жыл бұрын
@@Like13Pirates No don't touch the Red with EQ... they're near perfect
@hideakikovacs2859 Жыл бұрын
Whats recommended for hexa autoeq?
@abhitejvelore Жыл бұрын
Honestly, turning off the music in games leads to a more competitive edge than a lot of IEM's. I play a lo of Dota2, not a game you'd think benefits from improved audio, but ever since I've been playing it without music, you can clearly tell so many interactions apart, that it makes the whole experience better. From a competitive standpoint, no more audio swelling up before specific fights, nothing, you can hear an initiation crystal clear from the fog and keep a track of everything that happens, just by the sound of it.
@Ayva_K2 ай бұрын
I hate my Holas for gaming. Are the Zero Reds better for it?
@Razar244 Жыл бұрын
I'm fairly sure the newer KZ DQS also uses that shell design (Underside looks the same at least) while costing around 10 to 15 euros and having an arguably better tuning too, Harman pinna with BLON BL-03's levels of bass which kinda makes them close-ish to the USOUND target.
@bfzsgaming6068 Жыл бұрын
The least comfortable IEM i've ever owned. The wing thing was constantly stabbing my ear. Go for Tin T3 Plus it's MILES better.
@seankuhn6633 Жыл бұрын
Truthear x Crinacle zero (blue ones) have an amazing footstep bass aspect while still having excellent top end for glass breaking and grass rustleing! Iceman Issac the warzone streamer is how i found your channel! Thank you for your videos!
@ravantgarde1899 Жыл бұрын
I love them, but even with the smallest Azla Sedneartips my ears cry in pain after a whilee
@rustyshakelford1466 Жыл бұрын
To me the most comfortable IEM will always be the one with the smallest body, not the body that most conforms to your ear. After all, you can avoid a lot of comfort issues entirely if the shell simply never touches most of the ear. Unfortunately bullet-style IEMs are pretty much ignored these days; There are some good ones, but not many in the community are asking for them and new models are sparse.
@illitero9 ай бұрын
Reading your comment made me think of something even smaller than the BLON BL Mini and jokingly calling it the BLON BL0⅐, but a quick google reminded me that they already have a bullet style called the Fat Girl haha. There are definitely a decent selection of this style across price ranges, they're just not hyped up like the more traditional style.
@Sapertf Жыл бұрын
The Final E3000 and Moondrop Quarks are the most comfortable IEMs I have ever used They are so small and light, it doesn't matter the shape of the ear/iem at all
@ryukosho1209 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review Crin. I actually enjoyed your analysis of this and found it very informative and food for thought. I expected you to maybe say how bad they are but this was more interesting.
@mr.hanfblatt9152 Жыл бұрын
To me, someone who plays a very sound design based shooter (Hunt: Showdown), a gaming IEM is a gaming IEM when it's good in directional cues. The reason why i still use overear headphones for gaming is, its still often times easier to tell direction with them compared to IEMs (in my case the moondrop aria). Doesent really matter if i can hear foodsteps or not if i cant tell from which direction they're coming from.
@NeonMako Жыл бұрын
See for Hunt: Showdown specifically, the now old KZ KS7 IEM is still the best I've used. (they don't make it anymore, but I've heard the KZ KS10 is close to the same if not better) Been better than the Aria/Aria SE and similar, better than the classic HD598/HD58X and even better than my AD900X positionally. For most games they are pretty rough, as the midbass bloat has a muddying effect but in Hunt, have no idea why but they are way better than anything else I've used. The classic neutral/highend focus used for competitive gaming seems to be detrimental for that game. (and that game only, so far)
@mr.hanfblatt9152 Жыл бұрын
@@NeonMako ah, thanks for the info. yes, Hunt is very different compared to other competitive shooters due to it's incredible sound design and gameplay-focus around that. Instead of focused on mid/highs, you would need something more rounded due to the many different undertones depending on gun, distance and location (outside/inside building/underground). i'll have to test these out if i can get my hands on them
@guilllaumebellemare3070 Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video about the best IEMs for competitive gaming (best for immersion and being able to distinguish footsteps and directions)?
@himawari8390 Жыл бұрын
i wanto to know also @crinacle
@abhineetthaire4602 Жыл бұрын
Any IEM with decent soundstage and isolation will be good. I use a truthear hola and that works perfectly fine. You are never going to get a kill that you wouldn't have otherwise gotten with a slightly worse IEM
@guilllaumebellemare3070 Жыл бұрын
@@abhineetthaire4602 I also thought that, but watched other reviews from tech youtubers like fresh reviews and brandon taylor on IEMs with good sound stage for gaming applications and it turns out u gotta b careful. Some are good but some surprisingly bad for competitive gaming...
@boolaga Жыл бұрын
Check out Fresh Reviews. He talks about gear from a competitive aspect and has an updated list of preferences in each uploaded video.
@Pi22aPino Жыл бұрын
Check out @Teknickel for a lot of gaming IEM videos.
@WickedRibbon Жыл бұрын
Razer are real funny charging $130 for these. A couple years back I picked up a pair of Sound Magic E11 earphones for I think £25-30, and they've been absolutely stellar for both gaming and movies - despite have zero "gaming" or "streamer" branding. They're perfect for when I don't want to wear a bulky pair of headphones but still want a nice listening experience. I even purchased a second pair for my Switch. So for about £60 all in I've got two comfortable pairs of earphones with great audio - half the price of the Morays, which by Crinacle's account have weak sound quality anyway.
@philxdev Жыл бұрын
people are dumb.... and because people are dumb, we can´t have nice things... have seen beyerdynamics had a pair of inear headphones they were selling for around 20 but when it did not sell they changed the price to 120 and BAAM people start buying.
@Huskytickler5 ай бұрын
Great video Crin, your extensive knowledge and honest appraisal is always appreciated
@Fennetic Жыл бұрын
I def agree on comfort. One of my first iems was the zs3 and I still miss that kind of fit 3 years later lmao Might buy a tkzk ouranos sometime soon simply for the fit lmao
@handlemonium Жыл бұрын
Fiio FA1 is another one I love for comfort and treble. Bass and Mids are kinda dull tho cuz of the single BA.
@ClockBestEvent Жыл бұрын
The videography on this video is amazing, kudos
@MetaLexxer4 ай бұрын
Thank you! Finally, someone attempts to define a "gaming IEM" while offering useful/supportive commentary around the entire debacle.
@FIyingPengwin11 ай бұрын
Great video as always. One of thing I would mention though regarding "gaming performance". When it comes to shooters, one thing matter more than anything else, and that is imaging. Being able to pinpoint the enemy, where they are without having to look give a massive edge. Even if the audio quality is garbage, being able to identify where you opponent is coming from is the biggest thing. Sound-stage would be right up there next to it. It is part of the reason why the Sennheiser PC38x is successful. The sound quality is not great, but the imaging on it is absurd.
@SergioPerez-tv3ne11 ай бұрын
Would u get pc38x or another sennheiser if I have external mic
@sadfrog57874 ай бұрын
hd6xx@@SergioPerez-tv3ne
@sincitisaint223 Жыл бұрын
That's it, we need Crinacle to team up with someone and help tune for gaming, footsteps and the such specifically.
@mpetrov2402 Жыл бұрын
See the thing is gaming is more than shooters. Not that I'll buy this overpriced * * * * but it seems that the signature would be awesome for all other game genres that don't involve shooting or listening to footsteps.
@Sherolox5 ай бұрын
@@mpetrov2402 Gaming *is* more than just FPS, but sadly, since the FPS and competitive gaming market is larger than ever the term 'Gaming' will, at least currently, be nearly synonymous with any kind of shooter game. Especially since a lot of people buy wired IEMs solely for that perceived competitive advantage. If you'd ask me for more versatile 'Gaming' headphones or IEMs, I'd tell you soundstage, immersion and a decent amount of action to the sound are important. But, add too much bass and everything will sound muffled and boxy.
@napalmhardcore Жыл бұрын
After spending a considerable amount of time reading forum threads about gaming headphones/headsets and trying out different things, I've found myself largely going my own way. Firstly, not only is preference highly subjective, but sometimes your actual experience can be subjective. I've seen people revere headphones for gaming due to their huge sound stage and frequency response that helps them more easily pick out footsteps, but when I tried them, the imaging was off so that visual and audio cues didn't line up (think an object appearing to be 45 degrees sounding as if it's at 60 degrees) and there was just this disconnect between what I was seeing and what I was hearing. Regarding the subjective experience part I mentioned above: When I bought what I'd call my first pair of real headphones (not just whatever happened to be in whichever shop I was in at the time and were cheap or included free with something), they seemed to be pretty well regarded in their price bracket. For me however they had a bizarre property. They had an extremely wide sound stage, but no forward depth whatsoever. In fact, certain sounds which should sound as if they were in front of me seemed like they were passing just behind the line between my ears towards the back of my head. This was true with music too so that certain panning effects seemed to come from behind me/towards the back of my head. What works best for me are neutral headphones/IEMs with good imaging and good dynamics. I like neutral headphones/IEMs because I can build up a better mental image of the environment when different aspects of it are balanced in proportion to each other. The benefit of good imaging is obvious. Sounds line up with where they are visually. Good dynamics are not discussed nearly enough in conversations about gaming headphones. In my experience sound stage has two main contributors: 1) Dynamics and 2) Frequency response. Frequency response can be used to create the illusion of a large soundstage which can be pleasant for music but is detrimental for games because you sacrifice accuracy for a faux sense of space. If you have a neutral headphone/IEM with good imaging, dynamics is what gives you depth and a genuine sense of distance.
@hotshot59011 ай бұрын
Any recommendations?
@napalmhardcore11 ай бұрын
@@hotshot590 For headphones: HD 560S. I actually just had a DT 900 Pro X arrive today which might be a good choice but haven't tested in a game yet. Sounds good for music though. For IEMs: Truthear Hexa/Zero Red (Personally I prefer the Hexa's sub to mid bass transition) or Blessing 2 (I've not tried the Dusk, but going off the Zero Red's tuning I think I'd prefer the regular Blessing 2, sorry if you're reading this, Crin). For headset's I don't have a recommendation at the moment. It's been a long time since I've played anything online which requires a mic. I have a HyperX Cloud 2 I haven't used in a long time so I don't really remember my impressions and I used to have a Sennheiser Game One which I remember being a bit underwhelmed with. I remember it being a bit dull and lifeless compared to my HD 598s. If Sennheiser ever slap a mic on a 560S that would pretty much be my ideal headset. I'd probably pick one up just in case I got back into online gaming. I tried a ModMic for a while but just found it to be a bit annoying. I much prefer the functionality of a dedicated headset.
@evilswineunderwood995 Жыл бұрын
When comfort lights a spark But the sound is too dark That‘s a Moray
@luisroque9996 Жыл бұрын
Razer x Crin collab would be insane
@JohnXuandou Жыл бұрын
For $130 these days you can regularly find the Letshuoer S12 on sale, and not only will that have really big bass for those types of sounds, it also has a pretty forward and emphasized treble region as well. If you're looking for detail, clarity, resolution, sound separation in an IEM, it's basically unbeatable at that price. And it's not bad for music either. I don't know what Razer was thinking with this.
@RizzY_RUS Жыл бұрын
I've got IKKO OH10 for 110$ :D
@philxdev Жыл бұрын
razor has shelf space and they want a piece of the market... so they just wing it and release this product as their answer to the "trend". and while you are an informed consumer with brains who can differentiate good and bad, make no mistake... there are plenty who can´t and will just buy buy buy. razor is probably not loosing anything over this... considering the sound quality their r&d cost is most likely outsourced and next to nothing as they just went to another oem.
@Asatiir Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. My first impression was I pictured these to be less for competitive gaming and more for single player experiences (specficially handhelds like the Nintendo Switch and the steam deck) so finding out that these were made for streaming is a bit of a surprise. For something like that I use Final Audio A3000s, their sound stage and compact size is great for that.
@dzikrimahfud20908 ай бұрын
What would you recommend for single player gaming?
@Sherolox5 ай бұрын
@@dzikrimahfud2090 It's been a while since you've posted this, but, open-back over ear headphones, such as the Sennheiser HD 560S, HD 650, and so on with a wide soundstage and open, transparent sound are great for immersive single player experiences. Some of those are on sale very frequently. IEM soundstage is comparatively lacking, sadly, so it won't be as immersive. Though IEMs with good treble extension and air are an option if you *need* it to be IEMs. If you wish for more action-rich sound, with big boomy explosions, gunshots and so on, you could always EQ some bass onto them. But, besides speakers, you will hardly find anything more spacious and immersive than open back over ear headphones.
@aloha_bensent64947 ай бұрын
first time watching your videos. i love the entertainment, the reactions, and the timing of everything. You'll be my go to for iems for now on
@Shardsounds Жыл бұрын
THE BEST GAMING IEM is one which you've gotten used to the sound signature of XD you can argue that boosting specific frequencies can help with isolating footsteps and gunshots but if you're used to the sound signature of your iem/headphone then you're already looking for sounds in those frequencies anyways i've been gaming with several different headphones/iems (hd6xx, ksc75, kato, chu) and i've never had an issue where I couldn't hear the footsteps or gunshots or haven't been able to remember which direction it came from
@cloaca1234 Жыл бұрын
I like your point of view and how you support your ideas. About the suggested lowering of the price, people nowadays just buy 'gaming' things due to the tag, and even more so with Razer products. Razer never lowers its prices.
@rwa2play Жыл бұрын
Great review; it boggles my mind when one sells an IEM for hundreds of dollars yet the Moondrop Chu's are a fraction of that price and can do the job better.
@ZBM2 Жыл бұрын
When looking at gear to use while gaming there’s really 2 big things to look for. Comfort and Price. If I’m playing FPS: Spatial Audio is then the biggest contributor to “Competitive Advantage.” (Which lets be honest a pair of open backs headphones will be your best option here for comfort and a more “natural” spatial audio experience; not IEMs) If I’m wanting it on console, the boom mic is also wanted for convenience. A super simple concept that is just constantly being missed in the IEM market.
@wwbren Жыл бұрын
It's great for listening to notifications?
@shApYT Жыл бұрын
Your next IEM needs to use an ergo shell for sleep. Pls make it cheap. TY.
@acidicfate Жыл бұрын
People are realizing IEM's are generally better for gaming, in semi-comp to competitive, but as you said, the lines get blurred between IEM's and Cans if you know what to listen for. But companies see this, and are just smashing lack luster IEM's into the market hoping people buy them only due to the brand name. Why does this bother me? If these are someones introduction to IEM's, they get a horrible first time experience and will probably just go back to their cans and miss out all that IEM's can offer. At the $130 price point these have, there are WAY better options available, most are cheaper too.
@clockwork69662 ай бұрын
For my view a gaming headset (keyword being headSET) is a headphone with a boom mic, but also something with very large ear cups and drivers to make surround more noticeable, comfortable to wear for a long period of time and finaly, to a lesser extent, something compatible and customisable via a gaming software (ghub for example)
@anthonycruz69583 ай бұрын
Great vid, this is actually helpful and will help eq my iems for gaming
@SammerJammer Жыл бұрын
A truthear x Crinacle Zero with the footstep and gunshot tuning bumps for 50 bucks sold as a "gaming IEM" would kill in the market. Only thing that bugs me with the current iteration is the larger nozzle after extended usage. Toss some funky cyberpunk colors on a box and ship em lol
@Cryowatt Жыл бұрын
"What is a gaming _anything_?" Let's be real, it's one thing: RGB lighting
@Redtop19894 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie when you told me to fuck off at the end I hit that subscribe button hahaha
@RyouEmerald Жыл бұрын
I've just learned over the years that anything involving audio and it has "Gaming" on it, to just ignore it. Over the years I've just ended up getting a good pair of headphones, IEM, and a good microphone. I find them just fine for games and music and anything. Good audio equipment is good for everything in my opinion.
@Hari-kx2er Жыл бұрын
At this point, I have zero idea why companies release iems with crap frequency response whether for music or gaming. I get that in the early days of the audiophile community, it was difficult to know which sound signature is good. So they just thrown a bunch of stuff at the wall to see what stuck. However, now a days it is easy to understand which sound signature to prioritise for which use case scenario. There are many famous fr curves including Harman, Crinacle and also the fr curves of Andrew from HPS, Precog, BGGAR etc. Only abject laziness seems to be the reason for purely tuned iems these days. How much extra money or effort would it have cost Razr to tune this iem according to Harmon or similar to something like truthear Hexa??
@TenjinZekken Жыл бұрын
Imo, there is a market for true gaming iems, meaning an iem whose sound signature doesn't sound good, but fully isolate footsteps, gunshots, and sound effects that are reactable to. I don't know what kind of graph that would look like, and Im not saying these hit that goal, but I think there's market for bad sounding, but specificly tuned audio equipment.
@Neil_Mackie Жыл бұрын
For CSGO at LAN events you'll see players with earphones or IEMs under the tournament issued headsets, but they all seem to be pretty bog standard stuff or, as Crin says, sponsor dependent. I recall dev1ce asking for advice a while back about better IEMs - he was trying Shures at the time - and it would appear there is a target market for game tuned IEMS. Whether anybody will delve into data files or to test frequency of noises in certain games and design IEMs around that is perhaps a different matter, particularly if user hardware or set up could affect this in someway.
@ahmedbenlahrech5352 Жыл бұрын
Yup, I remember also a CSGO pro criticizing the sponsored IEMs, I would really love the data of what IEMs pros prefer, I have the Salnotes zeroes and I play CSGO at a high level but I prefer my cheap headphones over my IEMs ( even though my Zeroes blow my headphones out of the water when it comes to quality it's not even comparable) since they have better stereo imagining since by definition, it's hard to achieve that on an IEM
@ahsaft Жыл бұрын
are you gonna make a new guide to iems at some point? since the one linked on your website is not available anymore (yes i know there is a tierlist but god damn there are a lot, and now that i see this shell design i feel like i would need to look even longer for that)
@nikkoa.3639 Жыл бұрын
I'm loving the "That's Amore" lyric in the description
@duewest1987 Жыл бұрын
Regarding the bass, a lower bass response actually helps with competitive gaming because your ears aren't being dwarfed by excessive bass which lets you have more spatial awareness. In Apex Legends for example, the bass of gunshots is so loud it crowds out other important sounds. Not sure how treble affects competitive gaming but from my experience it's not that important
@De4dSp0t Жыл бұрын
Honestly, Soundstage is king for gaming. It's why things like the AKG k712 and the SHP9500 for a budget option are incredible. They are super wide and can easily pinpoint footsteps. Excessive bass actually drowns out important audio. If you're looking to boost those you want to buy a amp/dac like the SoundBlaster g6 as an example. Plenty of other options but those will do better at boosting what you want when you want and the rest of the time having your headphones be great for movies and music.
@kvernesdotten11 ай бұрын
Thats suprising to me, I have a rather big collection of headphones and IEMs in all kinds of price ranges, and the k712 has actually been my "daily driver" since 2016 spesifically because of the comfort and how natural sounding they are. KZfaq, podcasts and audio books are a dream with those, so is whatever little audio editing I do. Pretty decent for games too, but if I play something I want to really be immersed in, I swap them. While the imaging is pretty decent on them, ive never found them to be especially wide sounding though. Ive always found them to be quite close, but never so much it feels like you get audio pumped into your ear like alot of closed backs etc. Im curious now, what are you comparing it to?
@pinopadayao73222 ай бұрын
Thanks for this information. I’m far from being competitive but I have been looking for a one and done setup.
@NoHonorPenta9 ай бұрын
Just a quick Headsup, InEar actually was created after Hörluchs. It is as well a German Company, but from the Music Scene.
@senseofpermanence Жыл бұрын
I think the choked high range of this is particularly useful for shooting games. Competitive shooters for hours on end do get very fatiguing.
@tejaswiraj6610 Жыл бұрын
I do wonder if what razer was trying to emphasize was the material sound. Modern FPS games have really distinct (almost unrealistic) sounds for every material the player can run through and in my experience is the thing I am always looking for instead of how loud the actual footstep is since after playing a map enough you can tell where the enemy is off it
@_________5610 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling me what to think crinacle!
@hubrisir76464 ай бұрын
Great video as always, we need a new gaming headphones/IEM buying guide updated to 2024! Or maybe a gaming ranking list 😄
@BruhCh Жыл бұрын
daddy crin upload a new video!
@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh Жыл бұрын
Moray shape + made of magnesium (like the Viper SE) + Crin Zero Tuning + TruthEar Hexa driver config + a good dynamic boom mic for $130-$150 would have been Killer but instead they made this... Razer is fucking up BAD recently (the Cobra Pro mouse is such a weird release too).
@cedricboivin9422 Жыл бұрын
Could we really say that an IEM which follow a +5db bass boost with -0.8db tilt have "limp bass"?
@PointShotDR Жыл бұрын
A slightly different point of view that even made me like the Razer proposal, ignoring the price. Made for gaming, does it necessarily need to be competitive gaming? I love gaming, video games, lounging in bed, and never, EVER, competitive gaming. I play to relax, and when I'm not playing I'm watching a movie or series. So a super comfortable headphone with non-tiring audio seemed like a super interesting proposition. Assuming, of course, that it was cheaper.
@chrisy7738 Жыл бұрын
chu 2 chu2 chu2 UwU
@etherealjaunt356 Жыл бұрын
Lmao, chuchu
@TommyLoaded Жыл бұрын
Great review, Razer is killing it.
@lhynorris Жыл бұрын
ikr the product is dead on arrival
@martijn86 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion a Gaming headphone or headset should have incredibly imaging. Boosting the frequencies that are of high importance for intelligibility ((1 or 2) to (4 or 5)Khz). A slight increase in sub-bass for immersion and upper treble that follows Diffuse field tuning, not to be fatiguing.
@odin93383 ай бұрын
thank you for bein here for our calm asses!! :D
@leosakalam Жыл бұрын
No RGB = Not Gaming
@INTHEARKADE3 ай бұрын
I have watched 2 of your videos, yes 2. Since then I have bought your Zero Red IEMS and put all my razer products in the bin. I wonder how the 3rd video will change my life? Love the content please never stop
@gooberdz Жыл бұрын
Love the green hue theme!! It’s perfect! Gaming companies gotta do better with audio man!!
@Cube19905 ай бұрын
Hey crinacle, thanks for ur impressive content! I have a question now. Which iEM's would you recommend for gaming in a price range of €200 (1.024,10MYR)
@ax356 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review, I've been thinking about investing in some wired IEMs or earbuds for long hours but I want good sound, thabks for the heads up! Do you have any you really recommend?😊
@burns0100 Жыл бұрын
Man if only Razor spoke to someone who knew how to tune IEM's specifically for the use of video games. They'd sell these like crazy if they made sound good.
@MDFaught2 ай бұрын
Great review thank you
@salbowski3864 Жыл бұрын
I've never used IEMs but I'm curious if they can provide a wide soundstage? I feel like the historical go-to was an audiophile headphone with a wide soundstage and detailed imaging . Are there IEMs capable of doing this? Again, I've never used IEMs but my brain is saying that seems hard to achieve being crammed in your earhole.
@bondiger1 Жыл бұрын
The best outro in the game. Cracks me up every time lolol
@NoHope_ Жыл бұрын
I learned a long time ago that if you want good quality products that actually provide you with value, you don't go to a "gaming" company. Buy a set of flat profile iems that have good staging, a stand alone mic so you can actually be understood instead of sounding like a broadcast from dday and you will be way better off for the same if not cheaper price.
@JohnDoe-mp1yn3 ай бұрын
the footsteps in videogames are usually a part of the treble ranges
@L1qu1d_5h4d0w4 ай бұрын
Footsteps are actually not part of the bass, they belong to the mids-upper mids and depending on the surface even highs (water metal sheet ect..)and bass distracts you unnecessarily when you need focus and listen to small details. 😅 All competitive fps eq's basically have 0 bass. The response curve of the razor iem's look good to me in those regards but I should add that I don’t use "gaming" eq's 😅.
@ToreOnYouTube5 ай бұрын
Writing this before watching. I love the design of them. I want the casing with a great driver!
@pedrowilliam8945 Жыл бұрын
Hey Crin, I just started subcribing to you and bought my very first moondrop. thx for the new addiction. I'm having a hard time knowing what to do now, like I hear you said EQ is great, but how the heck do I do it on my IEM? and what else shoud I do now?
@Lishtenbird Жыл бұрын
The Headphone Show has a video on EQ basics.
@GTexperience_Channel Жыл бұрын
hey @crinacle , what do u think is the best wireless headphones/headset?
@its_dionology Жыл бұрын
Bought the Moondrop Sparks last year. Still love it till this day except comfort (that's a nightmare)
@batsusamayt Жыл бұрын
I went from CHU to OLA to CCA CRA and finally Truthear Zero... Still gaming, listen to music & podcasts and making montages with and I love them, I don't even feel the need to switch over any other pair of IEMs. Perfection (imo) 👌 RAZER "Gaming" IEMs ? Hell Nah !
@jumpin2889 Жыл бұрын
Hello crinacle, can you suggest an iem that is comfortable to use for long periods of time?
@Morphshu Жыл бұрын
I agree on all points about the FR being bad for both competitive gaming and music, but I don't think they were going for either of those markets, right? I think the entire thrust of the IEM was "long hours", so that means both comfort AND sound signature. It's not meant to be a TOTL sound; it's meant to just be something that you can play games with / listen to music / stream sounds / what-have-you for 8 hours on end without you wanting to pull them out. From my experience, there aren't many in-ears I'd want in my ears all day without wanting to take them out, so if these fill that niche then I can definitely see the reasoning. That said, I do wonder if you could just buy a KZ ZS3 and turn the volume down to the point where it's not fatiguing and get the same effect. Personally, I just use my $5 VE Monks for streaming (earbuds so I don't have to worry about physical fatigue), So the $130 price point on the Morays still seems kind of ridiculous no matter how you slice it.
@why_tho_ Жыл бұрын
btw, can you measure the Tangzu Wan'er SG if you get the chance?
@sammy10001 Жыл бұрын
Question for someone that really knows what they're talking about? 1) what frequency band do you recommend a boost in to hear footsteps better? Like 20hz to 200hz, and how much of a dB boost? 2) what frequency band do you recommend a boost in high frequency to hear gunshots better across the map? Above 10khz, and how much of a dB boost?
@EG-MAN Жыл бұрын
finally! Content
@thegift6749 Жыл бұрын
the ending was masterful
@MDFaught2 ай бұрын
What do you recommend for comfort and sound, gaming and music
@rokushou Жыл бұрын
Not defending the Morays in any way, but not all games are competitive FPSes. Sure footsteps and gunshots are important in those, but if you made headphones or IEMs that focused on those frequencies, they'd likely sound weird with everything else including other game genres.
@johnlepilote2 Жыл бұрын
@crinacle any chance to get the Hifiman Svanar Wireless review? :) thanks for all your work as always!
@xMagentOx7 ай бұрын
I'm on the "dark" side of sound and I can tell you that when you get used to it, when you try the more "bright" and audiophile earphones, your ears hurt because of the sheer amount of treble they have. Your ears get used to earphones with "less details", but you can still hear the details in the "dark" sound.
@gabrieldominguez6556 Жыл бұрын
BTW I just bought a set of Hola thanks to your advice and I'm hoping they work for gaming too when they arrive.
@smark201610 ай бұрын
I was about to order a set tonight which i'd use mainly for FPS. I'm gonna wait and not order just yet to see what your experience is. Greetings.
@gabrieldominguez655610 ай бұрын
@@smark2016 I'm extremely happy with the Hola, the sound stage is way better than any of my gaming headsets and my friends freak out because I always know where the sounds come from in Apex Legends. I'm waiting for my S9 Pro to get even better music but they sound crazy good just over the 3.5mm jack
@kevindiassouza1485 Жыл бұрын
Tin P1 Max it's the perfect IEM for gaming, for some reason the perception of directions are simply perfect, you hear anything in the matches.
@Danielduel- Жыл бұрын
Okay, so... you got my attention mr IEM guy. I am playing a lot of Beat Saber, a vr "rythm" game, vr headset has a jack and speakers on hmd aren't that great. What would you consider an ultimate rythm games IEM?
@PurpleShift42 Жыл бұрын
This sounds like a great video idea! (My rhythm game of choice is Crypt of the NecroDancer.) I wonder, would you want a tuning that's better for music than the sort of V shape Crin mentions?
@Danielduel- Жыл бұрын
Not sure. With the case of Valve Index (beforementioned vr headset) - it's speakers are great and comfortable for most applications (I would consider them quite good for a music-based game), but I notice a ton of difference in how many layers there are after I rehear the song after the vr session on my normal headphones.
@cabronesse386 Жыл бұрын
Oddly, I've found this channel for good laugh and chuckles.
@draxasdrek401 Жыл бұрын
Hi Crin, long time fan. would you please review Moondrop Chu II? The original was so good at such a low price, I would like to know your thoughts on the new one before buying a bunch of them.
@chestercopperpot3793 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review.
@Jiangcool910 ай бұрын
I really want to see crinacle try skullcandy crusher headphones.
@silvernull Жыл бұрын
is there any reason you don't touch on imaging or stage depth for the "gaming performance"? no im not defending this i can read a graph (hi listener)
@colophus17358 ай бұрын
Hey! I've been using my Arctis Nova 7 headset for a little over a year and I want to try some IEMs for longer gaming sessions. I mostly play FPS games. Any recommendations. 100-500 budget. Thanks!