I think it could have gone in diagonally

I think the only other option would be to push Tornado's wheels to be hovering over the pit rendering it immobile but I'm not sure how they could do it

@@Shabbya2011 I did say no REASONABLE way.

Oh yeah, straight up!! Razer got done over from that!

Disgraceful really,, and the fact they smugly accepted their uk title win in those circumstances sums them up as competitors ffs. But this fight was utterly pathetic by this point,, and I truly believe the Razor lads had decided to sell the bot by this point,, theyd pretty much won everything with it and would have clearly added the euro title here as well if not for throwing this fight. Maybe the hassle of upgrading the motors and the expenditure wasnt worth it just to go one more series anyway,, the show by this point was being pimped out to channel 5 so the writing was on the wall,, 20k prize money was pointless hassle if they were selling the bot for more anyway. Theyd done it all and like George Francis they probably couldnt be bothered after this.

and judging by the fact the taller one wasnt in shot when the team gifted tornado the win he didnt agree with the other 2 deciding that which they shoulnt have done

@@matthewruss they said that he didn't agree with it. I don't agree with it lol

He debuted in 1998. From Joe. X

Should never have done it. It was fair revenge for Tornado's cheating antics.

Well, Vincent and Simon at least

Pppa,...

@@thesmithersy That's not cheating. Tornado found a way to upgrade their robot within the rules.

"Gifts" - They knew they couldn't advance through on a technicality of the rules; it was consciousness and knowing that a illegitimate victory was no victory at all; rather having another fight to decide once and for all. Tornado knew that Razer should have been counted out... there was nothing ungentlemanly about their gesturing whatsoever; if Razer didn't bring up the falseness of the decision making; I'm sure you'd be suspicious that it wasn't a genuinely sound decision.. Any Robot Wars fan would appreciate this too, let alone a Razer fan.

tornado have always been a cry baby team specialy the captain, if his robot dominates a fight he is happt but if his robot looses badly he complains that he didnt get a chacne

@@RobotsGreatWar2 razor was in control of the fight. They immobilised tornado, and they also immobilised themselves lol. But they 100% deserved the win that they were awarded

Tornado only had a chance Vs Razer/Razor(?) because of that frame which was a specialised defense vs RZR not the strengthening structure for weapon as claimed couldn't legitimately fit into the pit. Were it any smaller RZR could get at the actual vitals to wreck Tornado as it did in early battles.

Should never have done it. The judges gave to to Razer, that should have stood. Especially given Tornado's first victory in the US robot wars was based upon the judges mistaking Tornado's weapons motor for one of Razer's wheels and yet that still stood.

Killerhurtz did it first on the first world championship

@@agustinval1508 razer's piercer ruptured anyone who got in its way!. From Joe. X

Which makes you wonder who actually thought that was a good idea? Fogging the arena so the cameras and drivers can't see anything.

Razer killed Chaos 2 with that assault. From Joe. X

Just remember this, respect your elders especially if they're Vesuvius!. From Joe. X

Apparently there's no size restriction on robots, and the frame is allegedly a part of the weapon, which makes it interchangable for fights. IMO the rules are wrong, but the frame is technically legal.

@@kirotheavenger60 The rule is, if it fits through the arena door, it can fight.

It really is ridiculous they cant even fall into the pit and the cage prevents most opponents from hitting them

They knew they wouldn't win having a standard battle with their robot so like the little girls they were they acted like pussys, I liked the tornado robot for a bit until towards the end of the later series when they just kept crying.

From Bournemouth. From Joe. X

Headbanger142 yea....

And it didn't fit. Cheater Tornado...

@@ReVDeatH yeah Tornado is clear cheater

That would be epic

Agree, Razer was one of the progressive, well made, well designed one) not just a bunch of metal and plastic

Razer was a great robot for its time, but it's horribly outclassed by the elite of today. Technology in robot combat has leapt ahead since the early 2000s and the competitors have far better weaponry and armour than what Razer used to deal with. Point of comparison- Razer couldn't get through Drillzilla's 10mm thick aluminium no matter how hard it tried. The team also said that they couldn't pierce the 7.5mm aluminium Infinity. Meanwhile, Carbide hit Coyote's 10mm Hardox jaws and absolutely mangled them. Razer's wedge is still pretty good and would probably still get under most things, but that would only take it so far; Razer's main construction is 2mm sheet steel, while Carbide, Aftershock etc are designed to eat thick Hardox Heck, Apollo, Eruption or Rapid could end Razer's hopes with a good flip; Razer's self righting wings were pretty fragile, and Chaos 2 once crippled them when it threw Razer a few feet into the air at a live event (Razer website). And that's not even getting into modern Battlebots....

I once seen a picture of razer on its side in a battle between chaos2 and razer in a battle outside robotwars . Id love to see a video of that fight

3rd time actually, they used it in a battle outside of UK robot wars

@@1993bahamut I never thought chaos 2 was gonna end up in pieces. From Joe. X

Why? The frame was in the rules

Hence why they wouldnt stick such a bot in there nowadays lol. Razer is probably on display somewhere now.

I think the other bots were just being built to a tougher standard. The weapon never upgraded, but competing armors were

They were the big 3, despite HD not winning a title (lack of luck mostly)

@@DouglasP_ Chaos 2 was totally destroyed by 13 Black's flywheel, George Francis would never dare show his face again in robot wars after this destruction!. Plus 13 black jammed up one of it's wheels. From Joe. X

@@joeandrews7329 and who the fuck cares about it?

Correct

Sadly

IRejectSociety Yeah I remember seeing that as a kid aswell and it was bullshit.

It is too big for the pit, but that's not the point. If Tornado gets pushed to the pit, the cage will just leave them dangling above it. *Tornado* can still fit in the pit, so it will just hang helplessly over it.

Tornado sucks

@@chromasus9983 Nah fam, it should have been fitted in the pit edge by edge without problems. Tornado was a cheater and that is it, facts.

@@ReVDeatH The rules back then stipulated that a robot was not to exceed 1.5m X 2.0m which Tornado (with cage) did not. Still a dick move though.

Ziggo was the best battlebot. Just my opinion.

I dislike the house robots, but I don't blame drivers for using them since they are there

Control is one of the judging factors in a Robot Wars fight. Forcing an opponent into a house robot is part of that control. It's also a good way to get teams to think tactically and put more emphasis on drive motors rather than just big weapons for bit damage. Imo it's one thing I think Battlebots hasn't got the right balance on

@@chosone2 I totally agree that Battlebots doesn't have a good handle on how much control matters in a fight. I also really respect drivers that can control fights. I just have an issue with the concept of the house robots in general. I know that technically they're just a hazard like any other, but there's something about them I don't like (I can't put my finger on it) Also I hold that drivers shouldn't be allowed to make such extreme modifications to their bots like what tornado did. It wasn't just adding armor or a defensive option, it made the other bot's entire design completely useless. It's like complete control using a net against ghost raptor in the 2015 season of battlebots.

And for most of the fight you don't have to look very hard to see Razer not just bending the 30 second holding rule, but outright *flouting* it as they do in most of their fights.

ZondaFRoadster they do a pretty good job of dropping people before then

You can't hold a bot that should never have been let in in the first place.

tornado is a coward and cheated. they should have never been allowed to compete with that bullshit cage. it be like handing me a tommy gun in a knife fight

@@dantheman4471 And it was too big that prevented Tornado to fit in the pit just before Razer was going to win because they have played smart there. Cheater Tornado! Whoever claims that Tornado didn't break the rules, have got theirselves into that unnoticable cheating trap just like judges.

420 pierce it

From what I read, he did apologize, but the damage was already done.

@@megamania7106 spawn again threw it's toys out of the pram!. From Joe. X

I think Ian Lewis married Vinnie Blood's sister in real life

It didn't fit in the pit, that counts as a cheating for me.

@@ReVDeatH For you, not for the rules.. And you all are saying "can't pit" etc.. But forget that Razer could've stranded Tornado above the pit to count it out.

Weight limit of 100 kg. There is a size limit, and it's much bigger than the pit's width.

It came in series 6 along with Mr Psycho.

Razer, never to be confused with Elsa

Can be pitted.... is not cheating

Multiple walkers larger than the pit were allowed to compete

Added hazard it gives teams a reason to focus on control and not just the other categories

Also (although this is more from the reboot) they're there for safety, in case a robot is out of control or needs to be made more safe for people to come in

kind of the same as the big hammers in battlebots. Just something to drive around. Though I think the house bots actually are more of a threat as they can at least shove competitors around the arena floor if they are activated

You'll have to make do with Quantum/Spectre.

in the world of spinning-slab-of-steel bots we have now a bot as uniquely fragile as razer would just get blown apart for no reason. I kind of miss the simpler days where a pincher was the "weapon of fear" rather than 1 of a million spinning metal bars

Does the mod have offensive capabilities? Tornado had another weapon for the Hypno-Disc fight, but it wasn't allowed because it was solely for defense and Hypno-Disc raised an official objection.

@@danangell5482 glue a mousetrap onto the bot and call it a potential energy claw.

@@meusana3681 That wouldn’t work at all.

Still waiting for you to figure out this is a troll post, from like 3 years ago. I can't even remember the video mate. @@danangell5482

It didn't fit the pit. Cheater scumbags cheated on Razer in that battle.

*Looks up rules Hang on, what they done was within the rules of the competition.... could you explain exactly how they cheated? Truth is Razer had its arse handed to it the entire fight. It could have pitted Tornado by the rules, but failed to release it.

after what pussycat did to them last time they were immobile you can't really blame them for wanting to hold onto their opponent and just lose on the judges with an undamaged robot rather than try to let them go and lose with a trashed robot. The judges decision surprised them as much as anyone.

@@cdname47 I don't believe they surrendered their place to tornado in the European title, no way! From Joe. X

Cry baby

@@bigmatt1994 the biggest pussies are the ones who use underhand tactics to gain an advantage. People who defend them aren't much better. ;)

Well, it wasn't.

The rules back then had a size limit for robots of 1.5mx2.0m which is why the judges had to rule the way they did. And as for deadliest... Carbide would have shredded Razer like a soda can because electric motor and battery advancements have been so huge over the last 15 years.

News just in, Footballer accused of being a cheater for kicking the ball with his foot. Whilst quite clearly within the rules, random people on youtube were very clearly angry at the apparent display of cheating.

It’s called adapting to the competition. By that logic, anyone that put a self righter on during chaos 2 winning and anyone that put thicker armour on to counter hypno disc were cheating.

@@tombardsley3081 There is adapting like adding a self righting mechanism or stronger armor, and then there is straight cheating where your robot could not realistically fit into the pit.

@@ExileOfSand but the rules allowed for robots larger than the pit. You look at some of the walkers that have entered and there's no chance they fit in the pit. Also razer didn't let go. They weren't suspended in the pit. They'd have a case if they had let them go

@@ExileOfSand And by the rules, stronger armor would be considered more of a form of cheating than this was.