Re-Enchantment Now: Fairies, Aliens, the Occult, Prayer, and Divination

Re-Enchantment Now: Fairies, Aliens, the Occult, Prayer, and Divination - with Seraphim Hamilton

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This is a repost of my recent discussion with Seraphim Hamilton (‪@Seraphim-Hamilton‬) on his KZfaq channel. He asked me many good questions about universal history, re-enchantment, fairy tales, the occult, divination, carnival, war, prayer, and ritual, thinking symbolically about your own life, AI, and more. Enjoy.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Coming up
0:40 - Intro music
1:04 - The Difference between Fairy Tales and Universal History
3:39 - The populous universe
8:19 - The Logos orders principalities
13:58 - Why does the Occult work?
20:35 - Divination and The Global Consciousness Project
30:37 - The humble bridegroom
35:52 - Divine presence and why Scripture is hard to understand
38:58 - Divination and The Global Consciousness project
43:38 - The carnival as a dark mirror
44:55 - Why Christ? A view of history
47:47 - Symbolism in Scripture and in other stories
50:34 - The sleeping bride
50:51 - Christ is King
52:17 - Attitudes to war and slaughter
53:47 - Praying for others
57:43 - Reading your own life symbolically
01:00:16 - The treasure in your heart
01:04:08 - You're like everyone else
01:07:47 - Fact and fiction collapse
01:11:36 - Intellectual trends to pay attention to
01:14:46 - Artificial intelligence
01:18:28 - The self-referential monster in AI
01:25:19 - Where is Jonathan going?
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@BillDonaghy 7 ай бұрын

Honestly, anytime someone mentions the Ransom trilogy by CS Lewis I start clapping. Even if I’m driving in my car. That trilogy needs to be proclaimed!

@christopherlamanna2501 7 ай бұрын

I’m on the final book…loved perelandra

@BillDonaghy 7 ай бұрын

Well stick with it. The third book is quite a dramatic shift from the first two. But stay the course and when it hits roughly around the center it really gets cooking. There are sections from That Hideous Strength that I constantly go back to. Love it so much. And it is so prophetic.

@user-br6ve4lz6n 7 ай бұрын

@@BillDonaghy Yea the third book is so much darker than the first two but among many things I loved how Lewis described Mark and Jane's relationship and their subtle flaws and motivations, like when Mark returns home after his first interaction with the NICE him and Jane both put up a front: "And so, all evening, the male bird displayed his plumage and the female played her part and asked questions and laughed and feigned more interest than she felt. Both were young, and if neither loved much, each was still anxious to be admired." I also recommend another obscure book by Lewis: "Until we have faces". It's actually a retelling of a pagan myth but a very good book.

@BillDonaghy 7 ай бұрын

@@user-br6ve4lz6n Yes! Their marriage also feels so contemporary and flat. Then the magic happens!! Lewis has such incredible insight into the human psyche. And I LOVE “Til We Have Faces.” So profound! And I think Lewis said it was his favorite of all his books. Which is saying… a lot!

@cw4246 7 ай бұрын

ive read and reread them a few times and yes finally people are starting to see how good they are!

@davidbusuttil9086 7 ай бұрын

I’m so glad you mentioned the temple being destroyed 40 years after the resurrection. I’ve been obsessed with this without anyone joining in my awe

@FirstnameLastname-py3bc 6 ай бұрын

I think it's quite basic info in Orthodoxy

@johndale1694 6 ай бұрын

I loved this too My daughter loves this stuff How perfectly accurate is God And in control I sent it to her I'm glad I was born for a purpose and I'm day by day entering into it

@daves-c8919 5 ай бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc Why is there always an orthodox person that shows up to say “well if you were good like us, you’d know this already” Just doesn’t seem like a useful thing to say to someone as they stumble up hill.

@FirstnameLastname-py3bc 5 ай бұрын

@@daves-c8919 it's about being common knowledge for last 2000 years, maybe you want to enrich yourself more and look more into what was lost by revolutionary "enlightenment"

@siriuslili 7 ай бұрын

Yes, the part about divination…when I was into tarot, I didn’t believe I was using it to “predict the future” but more as a diagnostic archetypal or psychological mirror, because I always had an awareness of being estranged from my underlying motivations and feelings. I was looking for answers and clarity from what I believed was my true “Self.” Now I see the danger in this, because we can only know our true selves through Him. Lean not on your own understanding…

@crushinnihilism 7 ай бұрын

I read tarot. You may just be a gullible moron. Don't blame playing cards for your lack of character. Pick up sticks would turn your world upside down. Btw there is Christian Tarot. Thats a thing that exists.

@nicholasdonin1465 6 ай бұрын

All leads to demons. I think there's truth to monster myth, like vampires needing invited in, and things like divination is an invitation to Satan.

@oekmama 6 ай бұрын

Tarot was actually created in the middle ages, as a game, which was accepted by the Church because it showed how the virtues trumped vices and underlined the Christian message. I‘m now pretty sure it was usurped for divination, and is maybe slowly being re-usurped via this Jungian type application. Of course it is also being used as a divination tool… but maybe it’s time to look at it for what it used to be, for example as Brittany Muller and Valentin Tomberg considers, for visio divina.

@crushinnihilism 6 ай бұрын

@@oekmama its a card game. A pub game. These things go back to ancient China. It has nothing to do with Christianity or divination. It was appropriated by occultists and the church much much later.

@oekmama 6 ай бұрын

@@crushinnihilism thanks for this info!👍🏾

@MerryMaggie 7 ай бұрын

Oh Jonathan! The part where you talk about too much self absorption on the meaning of one's own story... What you warned of is exactly what happened to me years ago. I mean, exactly. And this is why I have followed you so closely since 2019 when I first saw you in Seattle. You have played a huge role in me finding sanity again. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

@PaulVanderKlay 7 ай бұрын

This was a great conversation. Thank you both.

@FirstnameLastname-py3bc 6 ай бұрын

Begom Orthodox (or what's the meme). But seriously: why are you not dwelling into the holy fathers, the early Church fathers? Go deeper on "about" side of things man. Then you'll understand why would you go deeper on living side of things You are more than I am in that depth but trust me depth will be immeasurable and love immense

@suppression2142 5 ай бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-py3bcHe's read them most likely.

@FirstnameLastname-py3bc 5 ай бұрын

@@suppression2142 you can't read them wholeheartedly and say "apostles didn't know what they talked about" and claim to be follower of them at the same time

@suppression2142 5 ай бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc I'm not sure what you mean.

@FirstnameLastname-py3bc 5 ай бұрын

@@suppression2142 if you read apostles and their disciples you'd understand you cannot claim to follow them and at the same time be sharing protestant beliefs (yeah you can say I don't believe there's continuation from that to today, but then Christ isn't God in that case, but nevertheless you can say I don't believe there's continuation of that Church to today, but you'd understand there's no similarities between protestants' beliefs and Apostles) It's first thing you'd understand

@joan3891 6 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed this convo… got a lot of housework done too. ❤

@Robbya10 7 ай бұрын

I was married with my beautiful wife on Tuesday 2/22/2022. On Two's day we became One

@RevTJSmith 6 ай бұрын

I really like how Seraphim asks such insightful questions! Please have him back!

@WildAnalog 7 ай бұрын

You can thank the late, great Dr. Michael Heiser for the explosion of Christian interest in the supernatural world. Specifically, his seminal work, the "Unseen Realm." His excellent podcast, The Naked Bible, has rich content for days. He was a fine Ancient Language scholar and synthesizer of ancient literature.

@dannylo5875 6 ай бұрын

True. And also people don't understand the slight and minor nuances in the word to understand what it actually means.

@rimescraft 7 ай бұрын

30:30 Trying to get, rather than become. Reliance on self, rather than His process. "I AM The Way, the Truth and the Life. No man cometh unto the father, but through Me."

@alexr.3504 5 ай бұрын

*Breathes deep* I am so thankful to our Lord Jesus Christ for the amazing assembly of saints. This conversation took a weight off of my mind and heart simply because there was so much joy for Christ and deep thinking in it. I cannot wait to sit at the feast table and hear stories from all the saints!!!!

@susandubois4643 6 ай бұрын

The idea of the family of man being able to do what they want to do is powerfully developed in a beautiful Orthodox way by Elder Thaddeus. His little book is life changing.

@Anna-mc3ll 16 күн бұрын

Thank you very much for sharing this truly interesting conversation! God bless you both!

@tannersimmons5679 6 ай бұрын

Keep up the awesome work Jonathan. In a time of fasting and prayer this conversation really penetrates further into the understanding. God Bless to you both. Merry Christmas.

@AmyMaris 7 ай бұрын

Ironically a woman who knows she’s beautiful isn’t as beautiful as one who doesn’t. Great discussion. Never saw the connection between eating the fruit in the garden and in the apple in Snow White! Also Adam not taking responsibility vs Christ taking the sin of the whole world. Mind blowing.

@friedricengravy6646 6 ай бұрын

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Beauty is a social construct. Therefore, u can state that u find a person beautiful or not for any reason. No one can say u r wrong, but thats a 2 way street. U cannot denounce someone else’s claim of what is beautiful or not. If we r going to think deep, lets go all the way.

@countdooku75 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@friedricengravy6646this is called midwittery. You are not in the depths, you are just past surface level.

@MusicEnjoyerSLS 3 ай бұрын

@friedricengravy6646 beauty is objective

@MrLocokrang 7 ай бұрын

Oh I loved this. The AI learning on it's own created content reminds me so much of the information entropy. Thus not the same, but is similar to generation loss or the very similar evolution of the narratives. Ironically to be able to course correct, understand or unfold this evolution or deterioration will inherently lead, step by step, to the original essence itself and it's creator.

@celienepaul5378 7 ай бұрын

Am changed by the work you both do and very grateful 💜

@russellphillips4979 7 ай бұрын

I was enthralled by this conversation, thank you so much I look forward to looking into more of your videos

@AdiMaco 7 ай бұрын

This is an instructive and beautiful discussion!

@mattheww7924 7 ай бұрын

When you guys were talking about incantations being dangerous because of a lack of full understanding, I immediately thought of the Monkey's Paw and other tales where a magic bauble is found and used to a person's own destruction. Or the countless tales about encounters with the Fae and the dangers of any bargains struck with the denizens found there.

@ThomB1031 7 ай бұрын

King of Elflands Daughter is similar too.

@dannylo5875 6 ай бұрын

They are not as powerful as they seem...they are just selling marketplace wears at this point...all these ancient remnants of old science and technology...I know what that is. It is really radioactive isotopes and also they tend to simply place an energy beacon to an individual to have such a being from a supernatural realm guard a person or cause an issue to the person...also these beings operate on similar principles or even principles of smells. That's why the ancients used incense and incantations as a method to evoke or invoke likewise.

@ericwickeywoodworkersurfbo6135 6 ай бұрын

That was a great conversation. You were saying something about AI that I've been kind of thinking about too. One of the risks (of many I suppose) is that what it will reveal to us is our Jungian shadow sides, both collectively and as individuals. It might not seem like that great of a risk, but the more I think about it, the more I think that we are not ready to handle it. Thanks again.

@chriskingston1981 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. Fairytales where always just kid stories for me. Also spirituality and fairytales didn’t make sense. But you opened a lot for me. Thank you both so much for doing this❤️❤️❤️

@DerekJFiedler 7 ай бұрын

Insightful. Thank you.

@JasperGrinsdale 6 ай бұрын

Knowledge inherently divides. There is always separation of the knower from the known. So in the attempt to know God through knowledge, man separates him/herself from God. Undivided wholeness can never be known through knowledge. You can only be it.

@igyigy 5 ай бұрын

While having a discussion about this may be counter productive to the premise... Is it that "I Am" not "I know myself". Humans are often saying, "Who am I?", I know I say or think that often. As a parallel, I've come to know that people these days are trying to convince you your Identity is held by government. So the concept of Identity theft is pushed to enforce that. Remeber that your Identity can't be stolen as it is held by God not some system of man.

@acenull0 5 ай бұрын

Nice talk guys ❤️🔥💪🏾 lots of gems in here

@kipnich 6 ай бұрын

Chesterton describes this phenomenon in a historical context in a Short History of England chapter 2. As the world flies apart the magical emerges.

@shanemason4815 7 ай бұрын

I'd sware I've listened to this already

@stephenmacdonald4005 7 ай бұрын

You are correct. This is a re-post.

@lilychelemengos1584 7 ай бұрын

Yes a repost-although very informative and worth listening to twice! Perhaps Jonathan has, as the old adage applies, “too many irons in the fire” during this Christmas season.

@tleevz1 6 ай бұрын

Very cool to hear this. Thank you guys for sharing these ideas, they're juicy, ripe, succulent. I'm hungry so they're going down real nice.

@Ritastresswood 6 ай бұрын

There are many ways to Christ. Rationality is one way, faith and grace are other ways. When I was at the end of the tether, miracles happened. Events that happened without rational explanation. Just like Einstein said ‘God doesn’t play dice.’ With his might, he helped me to right the wrongs. He is merciful, he is forgiving, he loves, and offers hope. No amount of intellectual reasoning could help me to turn to Christ.

@JoshAlicea1229 7 ай бұрын

Wow! I was just thinking about this today. So many people are craving and looking for enchantment- via mushrooms and neo/pagan movements. It’s crazy that you just posted this up.

@user-ox9rg9is3r 3 ай бұрын

I cant handle the idolotry of mushrooms 😂😂 they are the new Buddha, all over peoples clothes and gardens

@JoshAlicea1229 3 ай бұрын

@@user-ox9rg9is3r True story! It’s just crazy how people will choose psychedelics rather than doing the hard work of walking with God. It’s a cheesy substitute.

@user-ox9rg9is3r 3 ай бұрын

@@JoshAlicea1229 Without responsibility and acknowledgment of our corrupt and sinful soul edging towards spirituality can allow for darkness to enter. Theres a reason so many lose their minds affter taking the psychadelics. I was one of them. Praise God for His mercy on and in my life!!

@JoshAlicea1229 3 ай бұрын

@@user-ox9rg9is3r Amen. People need Jesus! \o/

@artcanhelp 7 ай бұрын

The man stuck on the island in dawn treader. The island where dreams come true, is like young people now. I have been trying to understand what is wrong with my college students. They are stuck in a dream world. They are both satiated and deeply afraid. Every shadow is attractive and repulsive and they don't know how to shine light on anything.

@RunninUpThatHillh 7 ай бұрын

hmm that is interesting.

@outoforbit00 6 ай бұрын

I am getting a very similar impression from the young people I know.

@beeblebrox82 4 ай бұрын

Lord, have mercy. That's the worst island.

@artcanhelp 7 ай бұрын

Further folks that need to be included in the discussion are Christians who have a deep knowledge of the contemporary arts. I recommend Jonathan Anderson, Cameron Anderson and Daniel Siedell. Malcolm Guite would be great as well.

@stevendavis8636 5 ай бұрын

Johnathon, you give me a different worldview from the one I'm living. I know that there are things I know nothing about. I'm not sure of what I do know, but I'm convinced that materialist-reductionist and rationalist thinking leaves out much that is real and only knowable through different means like symbolism. Thanks for your mind-opening videos.

@jasonscholl2945 7 ай бұрын

👑 🙏 Seraphim Hamilton 🔥 👑

@ibelieve3111 6 ай бұрын

thanks

@tensevo 6 ай бұрын

is this the most soothing channel, or what?

@trevconn123 7 ай бұрын

Jonathan, God Bless you. As you explore the world of symbols, I wonder when you will come accross and discuss Sacred Geometry-Mathematics and its connection to the stories of mysticism. Any videos on the “Eve/Kundalini/Mother of Harlots/Collective Unconscious” or phi/Golden Ratio?

@Viz-Jaqtaar 7 ай бұрын

The universal history project sounds exciting. I've tried to do a similar thing with my sons and fairy tales/ fables, relating themes back to God and how we interact with the world and each other. I will certainly check it out. Thanks gentlemen for such edifying content.

@Brody-Aleksander 7 ай бұрын

Its soo good

@johndale1694 6 ай бұрын

This is good 👍

@francinebotton2635 7 ай бұрын

Interesting discussion! I have had similar thoughts around the story of Pinocchio. The boys along with Pinocchio are tempted to the night of decadence only to wake up to be loaded on a ship as they turn into donkeys, enslavement. Twisting Reality.

@francinebotton2635 7 ай бұрын

I should add to my above comment, raised a Jew, baptized into Orthodoxy as an adult, I had to decide if the Torah was True or just our mythology. Glory to God!

@socratesandstorybooks1109 6 ай бұрын

This relates so much to Disneys Wish movie.

@samtjman 6 ай бұрын

6:53 this reminds me how tests have shown electrons observed go straight while electrons unobserved go in a wave pattern. That is a freaky amount of agency for a completely 'natural' phenomenon.

@Viz-Jaqtaar 7 ай бұрын

Life is a sacrament.

@MarinaPier77 7 ай бұрын

True.

@David-lb3tp 7 ай бұрын

False.

@oekmama 6 ай бұрын

There‘s a very interesting parallel between fairytales of human contact with other beings, like faeries and nature spirits, and modern people’s stories and experiences which they call channeling. This has been going on for a while. I‘m trying to look into these encounters, but I‘m not sure it’s merely desire for wealth. John Dee, for example, who considered himself a devout Christian, got caught in his quest for an „angelic language“ by what sounds like demons. The road to h- is paved with good intentions… much like Eve and the serpent…

@MrSmith-zy2bp 7 ай бұрын

🫡 for you calling out the Enlightenment and triggering James Lindsay.

@traviswadezinn 7 ай бұрын

Excellent dialogue - thank you (Valentin Tomberg's Magnum Opus focuses on many of these points) 🙏

@haverofgoodopinions 7 ай бұрын

I wonder if you would find a significant difference between the occult operations of the common thaumaturgists mentioned in the video vs occultists steeped in neoplatonic theurgy (ala Iamblichus and Proclus). I know this would take an entire video to cover, but nonetheless I'm interested to see your take on an occult and pagan method of ascending to the Divine, or the practice of fully uncovering and living in humanity's divine nature/ heritage. Great video!

@troyhavok8605 7 ай бұрын

When a woman is aware of her beauty she is also aware of the power that beauty holds. Women who know they're beautiful will often misuse the power it grants them over men. They can use it to great effect in the world to fullfill their desires for wealth, comfort, power, adventure, etc... What could describe the modern trope of the "gold digger" better? The problem is none of the things they gain in this way have real love at their foundation. The things they gain through the misuse of this power end up being supplements for the real, loving relationship they could have built their life around otherwise. I have to say, this video made something click into place for me. There are *heavy* implications in the first 30 minutes of this.

@animula6908 2 ай бұрын

I read a warning about kundalini yoga one time that was from a Hindu. It said something like the basis is flawed because it sees spiritual awakening as a relentless unidirectional drive from the bottom to the skull, then it said that’s an urge toward disembodiment. That week, a friend of mine who taught yoga committed suicide, god help us all. I take spiritual practices pretty seriously. It’s not just a fun game to pass the time for housewives. These things, including psychedelics and even transcendental meditation can mess you up more than help you if you’re already in a bad way spiritually. There’s a story about the Buddha going back and forth to the monastery with new enlightenments, and he gets them to a certain point and then he goes back and most of the monks have flung themselves off the mountain thinking the drive toward self annhilation was the ultimate enlightened state. 😮 Gnosticism isn’t just a Christian phenomenon. Satan attacks all of us with an urge to insert a lesser thing between us and the highest good. Spirituality requires wisdom requires spirituality.

@jenniferflower9265 7 ай бұрын

Oh, I wish I could make it to the summit.

@RunninUpThatHillh 7 ай бұрын

@greyforge27 5 ай бұрын

I personally found it impossible to read Rubicon by Tom Holland and not feel an overwhelming sense of the historical necessity of Christ. Rome was the absolute perfection of might-makes-right.

@joolz5747 7 ай бұрын

About two years ago I accidentally came across a you tube video which was very weird! A man in maybe Ireland was in a green fairy looking woods. He was searching for these little people who he said he found there. Fairies? ? Leprechauns?? Then he began spotting them here and there. He took his camera and was trying to find them. When he did see one he focused the camera on it. Then he videoed it. I was thinking he was a bit nutty! So we got to see these little people in the woods. Not sure what it was. Maybe it was an animal I don’t know. But he was convinced and he was telling us that they live there and he finds them from time to time and I think he gives them food and stuff. All I know is I watched it and I thought this is crazy and I never watched it again ha ha

@kathyboraas1493 7 ай бұрын

We won't know what our story means until it is over.

@jimmaloney2067 7 ай бұрын

This is a repost of his recent discussion with Seraphim Hamilton (@Seraphim-Hamilton) on his KZfaq channel

@jaynemcswiney8957 7 ай бұрын

Prayer to the Lord is "thy will be done", pagan/occult practice is "my will be done". In other words God/holy Angels (prayer) verses Satan/fallen Angels (pagan/occult practice).

@trippyfolk7351 7 ай бұрын

Occultist and Mystics also ask to be in accordance to God's will and believe to have a purpose that is God given, so it's not all control freaks who do The Great Work, in fact, alot of them believe in Christ. Christ taught empowerment as well as giving your will to the Father, in the multiple verses about the temple and Kingdom of God being within us also the verse about the spirit being in all things and through all things.

@jaynemcswiney8957 7 ай бұрын

God granted us free will. Opting for occult practices aligns you with Satan and his fallen Angels, even if it's not apparent to you. I'd suggest turning to the Bible in its entirety for guidance. Engaging in occultism also violates the first commandment. Christian/Jewish/Muslim mystics are religious and distinct from occultists. If you're curious, delve into the lives of figures like John of the Cross or Teresa of Avila. Alternatively, consider visiting a Catholic or Orthodox church and consulting with a priest for insights. @@trippyfolk7351

@DavidBalila 2 ай бұрын

Jonathan, I admire your work… You’re doing a great job, to be honest. The work that you were doing resonates a lot with what I'm trying to do., which is helping people and showing the incredible energy of the holy spirit. Is there any way you can direct me through the sacred movement you were saying at Ralston College? Timestamp 56:36. I would love to be part of it.

@faranov1 6 ай бұрын

Great talk! There's linguistic proof that you're right in the point you make about the riches of God in 1:02. In Serbian the word for Rich is derived from the word God. God is Bog and Rich is Bogat so Rich means Being with Good, Filled with God. Direct proof that in theosis is actually embedded in the language of orthodox people.

@chief_tobias_ 7 ай бұрын

Y'all need to talk to Nick Land.

@trevconn123 7 ай бұрын

Do you equate “Chaos vs Order” as “Formlessness vs Form”? I tend to see an implicit connotation that is negative or “unholy” in which individuals describe “chaos”, when God encompasses both form and formlessness, which I would make the claim is different than chaos. While I think Chaos emerges from Formlessness, can they really be equated?

@10.6.12. Ай бұрын

Are these not some kind of post-pre-Raphialite Victotian musings?

@AndyReichert0 7 ай бұрын

John, do you think you will ever make these graphic novels into movies? some might not intuitively expect that it would work well, but at the same time, people love Wes Anderson movies specifically because they have a very flat and comic-like or even iconographic way of visualizing the stories.

@Damo-np7ul 7 ай бұрын

The "why Christ", discussion, people turning or returning to Christ was interesting. Whilst I agree with the sentiment and would never discourage someone from seeking God, {there are other ways not only through Christ}, however, the answer for why, conflated separate issues, the understanding current events vs strength etc via belief. Claiming to give an understanding of current events with a higher moral anchor point whilst providing a sense of strength or save harbour to ride out the coming storm. A metaphor, can be visualised as the scene in the 1st "War of the Worlds" movie with people flocking to the church for a sense of strength and hope, and to pray. Yet, they lacked the understanding of the events around them. God wasn't the literal saviour, as the threat and the solution, a virus, were of this world. I'd suggest turning to Christ does not by itself give understanding to current events or grounding. Mind you, not to judge others, there are some who would certainly seem to benefit from discovering Christ. People who don't seem to understand "to love others like yourself", equality, equal opportunity and treating people based on their character & actions and not race, sex, sexual orientation, religion etc. Without grounding and if not with Christ then what? seems they are susceptible and easy victims, to being swept away by the "woke" cult maelstrom into the madness. Edit. The Martian War of the Worlds metaphor may yet turn out ironic, as some are predicting the arrival, staged or real, of aliens as part of the coming storm. Elohim, Annunaki, Yahweh? or some other aliens? Guess we'll have to wait and see.

@billiecorbett5824 6 ай бұрын

Hi Johathan, Have you read the book Game of Gods? If not, it might be useful to read Carl Teicrib’s insights into these topics.

@ourladymelody 7 ай бұрын

Ride it out!

@celticanimism7768 5 ай бұрын

16:40 Close. Going through the archetype will indeed effect the outcome. The antique polytheistic world knew to go through the archetype/image to get to God/the Father. This is clear I think in Neoplatonic thought. The will is properly always sublimated to another power. It’s a strange lie/misunderstanding of occultism stemming for the 19th that the outcome of theurgy (for example) is the “magicians” will. It’s always the will of powers and principalities, whether it’s Christian magic (“prayer”, folk charms etc), henoistic (late antique “paganism”), or occult.

@AndyJarman 6 ай бұрын

I have often pondered over the name demi-urge. Half evocation? An unqualified false reference to a fake authority? I have noticed that some people give me 'instructions' where I would myself 'request' things. "I need you to do such and such!" instead of, "could you do such and such for me, (if you) please?" There is a humility and unprepossessing nature in my way of requesting something that is lacking from the "advisory" statement "I need you to". The word "unprepossessing" indicates the requestor does not assume they possess the will of the other person. At its heart I can hear the 'advisory' statement "I need you..." comes from a position of anxiety in the heart, the speaker is invoking an authority they don't possess themselves (the demiurge?). The person who appreciates the imposition that their needs place upon another will speak to that person's heart with respect and not formulate words that anticipate resistance will need to be overcome to achieve the desired outcome. I know people who have developed a vocabulary and phraseology in response to living in a family where siblings are constantly competing for resources and dominance. This is often due to the parents being disengaged from the children or the parents having a dysfunctional relationship where clear boundaries cannot be set - and the parents do not lead by example. So the kids learn to invent a fake authority figure - the demi-urge.

@ammarsawi6118 6 ай бұрын

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@user-gi3zt3kj6u 6 ай бұрын

Dominion, by Tom Holland, makes the subtle claim that ‘if you live in the West, you are Christian. Prodigal, perhaps, but Christian nonetheless.

@johndale1694 6 ай бұрын

Yes It's a trick A snake trick Good point

@ejenkins4711 6 ай бұрын

Once up on tiumat time absu saluted a different sign, Made tiumat think mhmm who is U, Absu thought ugh its not ME

@tensevo 5 ай бұрын

occultism is like a side quest, it is something but it is not the main thing.

@celticanimism7768 5 ай бұрын

If you mean Golden Dawn/Crowley late 19th/early 20th occultism? Sure. If you are speaking of the often heterodox, sometimes heretical, works that make up the post Christian Western mystery tradition + the massive Greco-Roman corpus, then no, it’s not at all a side quest. There’s a reason Christianity borrowed so heavily from late antique theurgy to model their ritual. That in no way is an intellectual or spiritual dead end.

@davedave8608 7 ай бұрын

time is a twisted circle.. change my mind

@DoctorBendOver 7 ай бұрын

21:20 the random numbers generator thing was debunked already

@Charles-Pettibone 5 ай бұрын

No, it wasn't. There is ongoing dispute about the meaning of the data. The idea that something has been "debunked" whenever a critical response is written reflects an incredibly naive and shallow view of the way the sciences (or any academic discipline) works in the real world. This isn't an urban legend where one can definitively trace the origin of a story to a science fiction story, this is a complicated, technical debate about the meaning of a large data set. The idea that "debunking" is the kind of thing you do in contexts like this is precisely the sort of nonsense one encounters from professional skeptics, and it is exactly why nobody should take them seriously.

@10.6.12. Ай бұрын

People who join the spectacle oft want their cake and they want to eat it too. I tend to not trust them . XC becomes the all encompassing excuse rather than the ultimate reality.

@tensevo 5 ай бұрын

just so i'm clear, to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, means, to act in the world as if we are God(s) never being humble, before God, accepting we cannot even begin to know all there is to know.....this hubris, leads to the flood.

@AndyJarman 6 ай бұрын

The bit about creating patterns from randomness was an initiative of Rupert Sheldrake in the 1980s. He got a lot of people to repeatedly produce Rorschach inkblots around the world, and demonstrated they would become statistically more similar the more they were repeated. He called this "Formative Causation" and possitted it was a tendancy that runs through the material world - the spontaneous generation of patterns through the inertia of repetition.

@davelewis7098 7 ай бұрын

I think gentlemen snow white is all beauty itself !! Sow the dowt the queen you can be more beautiful with adissions the comb the girdle etc !! My wife is beauty itself but when she dresses to go out I'm with a different person ?? Does that make any sence ? God bless

@wyrd_wyrm 6 ай бұрын

I was always under the impression that Eve gave the fruit to Adam first rather than him watching her try it (and shirking his responsibility to not only guide her properly, but protect her) and then trying it himself after confirming she hadn't died, as SH says around min 36. Can anyone add insight?

@RachelLWolfe 6 ай бұрын

The scripture isn't completely clear in where Adam was in that precise moment, but it does say that she, Eve, ate the fruit and also gave it to Adam. It does say that she "also gave to her husband with her...", so it would appear that Adam was with her at the time, but the serpent, for whatever reason, was speaking to Eve. ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:1‭-‬7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ [1] Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?” [2] And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; [3] but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ” [4] Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. [5] For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” [6] So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. [7] Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

@Whatupwolf 7 ай бұрын

You can't not respect Jesus

@16sputnik7 6 ай бұрын

If you, as an all-knowing and loving supreme being, create a “lesser” and “fallible” offspring, and then “test” them, where exactly is your belief and trust in yourself?

@johnstewart7025 6 ай бұрын

True. God loves us and keeps telling his people what to do. Then, Jesus says he represents God and is tearing up the old covenant. He replaces it with the Eucharist and the Great Commandment.

@ThePallidor 7 ай бұрын

So One Direction was onto something with You Don't Know You're Beautiful?

@crushinnihilism 7 ай бұрын

Christianity thinks everyone is up to everything all the time

@spiritmatter1553 7 ай бұрын

I have had a run today of being the 777th person to like a video…this one might be my seventh of the day!

@allywallace7798 7 ай бұрын

I wonder why Snow White is the thing that everyone is working on right now. There's you, there's daily wire, there's disney. I'm just wondering if there's a deeper reflection of the society right now drawing us to it

@RunninUpThatHillh 7 ай бұрын

certainly so.

@johndale1694 6 ай бұрын

It's through Another mediator The serpent God mediates through His Son Only

@Brody-Aleksander 7 ай бұрын

Man I got the cringiest add for a bible app called "Hallow" saying I could pray each morning with Mark Walhberg or Jonathan Roumi.... what a unenchanted frame the masses must escape

@trosenthal3711 7 ай бұрын

It’s actually an okay app for prayer. You can cringe all you want, but it’s not enough to just hear about the esoteric meaning of religion, you actually have to live it out exoterically. There’s no way to fully understand what Jonathan is saying without actually bringing it into your own life.

@Brody-Aleksander 7 ай бұрын

@@trosenthal3711 yeah forsure, but I don't think Jon Roumi or Mark e mark are going to compliment that one iota... there are centuries old prayer books for a reason I'll pass on Hollywood celebrities apps

@siriuslili 7 ай бұрын

@@trosenthal3711 YES

@VigiliusHaufniensis 7 ай бұрын

Lack meaning on your life? Develope Psychosis

@williambranch4283 7 ай бұрын

Prayer is real, if you pray for your own reform, not for magic. The rest is pagan.

@rahawa774 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for reminding me 👍

@jenniferflower9265 7 ай бұрын

Or you pray for someone else and you are looking for Guidance on what you can do for them. Not asking Santa to magically make their need better.

@daisyviluck7932 7 ай бұрын

Prayer can be adoration, contrition, thanksgiving as well as supplication.

@shawngoldman3762 7 ай бұрын

Intercessionary prayer for the healing of others is both Scriptural and real- not "magic"

@jenniferflower9265 7 ай бұрын

@@shawngoldman3762 hands on can be healing.

@livin2themusick 7 ай бұрын

😍

@astrogumbo 7 ай бұрын

16:00 So only God fearing people have money these days? Thats the logic if im not mistaken and so totally off the mark:)

@jenniferflower9265 7 ай бұрын

I hope not, I know a millionaire that is pretty corrupt. Lol

@Wolfhammered 6 ай бұрын

To someone that actually believes, pretending that the New Testament is just symbolism is tripe atheist clap.

@colleenng-rau8215 7 ай бұрын

Incredible discussion. I love it. But I feel it is so important to make a distinction between the occult in general (which is neutral and more broad than how it is being defined here) and the dark occult. These guys are talking about the dark occult. That's all about power and manipulation. But I would argue that the kind of Christian prayer and liturgy they are discussing is very occult in nature.

@daisyviluck7932 7 ай бұрын

Occult means hidden

@colleenng-rau8215 7 ай бұрын

@@daisyviluck7932 Exactly!! The whole unseen, 'hidden' spiritual world is the occult world. Took me a few years to get over the triggering of the word 'occult'.

@JeremyHelm 6 ай бұрын

Folder of time

@JeremyHelm 6 ай бұрын

8:28 'You've met Venus naked' assertion that Christ is some kind of prophylactic context to being lost in an oceanic animism?

@JeremyHelm 6 ай бұрын

9:34 I'm wondering about the bridegroom imagery correlating with Eve in terms of inhabiting language..

@JeremyHelm 6 ай бұрын

10:17 agency as a distance which leaves a gap for free will

@JeremyHelm 6 ай бұрын

11:09 what's the difference between 'agencies' and a person's context?

@JeremyHelm 6 ай бұрын

13:54 why the occult works?

@HkLY45 6 ай бұрын

Wait, you guys believe incantations are real? You believe fairy's are real? Demons are real? Why? I thought we were talking about symbolism but you actually believe these things physically exist???

@numarkaz 6 ай бұрын

Djinns, fairies, intermediaries...

@RickThePeasant 6 ай бұрын

Most books of the new testament warns about falling away from the faith. Once save always saved is the single most powerful heresy, it has sent more christians on the path to hell then any other.

@10.6.12. 6 ай бұрын

More Dungeons and Dragons Orthodoxy what next the Toll Houses : Voodoo Orthodoxy.

@kLk1313 6 ай бұрын

Tell me WHY would an all powerful being need let alone WANT our submission? It makes no sense. Experiencing life or not? Come here to learn to submit? BORING. It can't be the name of the game.

@johnstewart7025 6 ай бұрын

I heard that we represent god (made in his image), but we keep forgetting. Is that a bug or a feature.

@nicholasdonin1465 6 ай бұрын

Jesus is not a crucified jew. And i feel attacked by the cookie talk at the end

@notloki3377 6 ай бұрын

if you see venus as a demon, i think that says more about you than it does about either venus or the logos. monotheists feel so freudian sometimes... it's so funny that you guys are totally OK with an old world father god who drowns the entire world in a fit of rage, but can't look at your own sexuality without seeing it burst into a nest of flaming swords.