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I mean he made redux! obviously we'd think he made react also 😂

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a8x3ks-qs9upcas.html The one and only Jordan Walke (react creator)

I’ve got my opinion about the man. The fact that the React doc recommends using a framework feels as a give up, and now he’s taking a more vocal role which I think is what he really wanted, and also the reason why people think he made React, and other people that he made Redux. (It was a whole team and not even his idea)

I literally thought he was the creator until recently and I've been using React for 3+ years. 🤣

@@kikevanegazz325 No. It means it wants to stay what it was intended to be. Just a library for making usable components.

And I still thought it is until seeing this comment

this

I think it is hilarious how we go in circles when it comes to web technologies. We went from php to mvc apps to api + client apps to microservices and then back to monolithic apps with newer frameworks like next js, and now going back to php with a shiny new wrapper lol

Yeah, classic PHP and ASP are making a roaring comeback. We are back to the 90s.

That's something that the bundler needs. Unfortunately, the existing bundlers are not that smart, so we need to explicitly set those annotations and tell them on which side each component/code is running

but, framework handle all that.

it looks like sublime text editor .... but webstorm is better ...

The page is not aware on the db update. Although you need to tell the RSC to reload the page. This is abstracted inside the db object.

@@denniscual4618 thanks. Like a full reload with router?

@@itakpeemmanuel5863 yes. Its like refetching an html document. But with RSC it returns a json-like format, jsx tree, to still persist the DOM state. In RSC, the routing is server-centric. Server is aware about the routing. This is the reason why you can send jsx tree. Unlike with typical React app, e.g create-react-app, which is more on client-centric.

Of course, they will not - The creators of Remix are egomaniacs!

@@mdmathewdc what framework have you created?

@@coldestbeer Remix

@@mdmathewdc i would like to apologize

looks like SublimeText

i feel like their live preview for html and css is superior to others

Good question. In the past we went from monolithic apps to microservices and bffs, so why do they keep highlighting this feature? Perhaps the super pragmatic devs who doesn't care about proper architecture see server actions as an opportunity to take a shortcut and use it with direct database access. However, I think it's a lot more viable if you see server actions as a replacement for the BFF pattern that has snuck in lately, to help offload business logic and remove complexity from the browser and frontend code. So to my understanding server actions is an alternative to BFFs - not microservice API's with direct db access.

There was a time people would have said that about jquery. Times change.

If React could do something good, it wouldn't need Remix

remix does uses react though?

server side rendering reference?

why's it making it a chore?...if anything its making everything easier, thats the point

I wish you were right, but other options suck so much more :(

Solid has great potential but is stuck as part time volunteer thing while low IQ masses plow on with lame duck react

@@theLowestPointInMyLife Solid is fine, but not nearly as convenient and clear as React is. When the app starts to grow, those signals don't seem so convenient anymore. I'm really glad React team is pushing against the signals hype bs.

@@kevin00898 almost everyone agrees it's far clearer than react, and fine grained reactivity with signals is the way to go, reacts rerendering is an absurdity in the modern world

Couldn’t agree more. It’s cringy and amateurish

why would having a following be a sign of something wrong?.. I think you're implying group think, when in reality he just has a good track record and a blog that's helped a lot of people

@@rewazilol His track record includes Redux and the useEffect dependency array... These have since widely been regarded as a bad idea.

@@Sammi84 "You either die a hero..." When you build enough things, some of them will be bad. But I'll follow the guy who built redux over the guy who didn't.

​@@Sammi84 on a less dramatic note... i think part of the reason people follow Dan is because he doesn't oversell himself and he acknowledges his mistakes. He himself says most people shouldn't use redux, and he wrote a full blog article about all the stuff he doesn't know. If you had to pick one person to follow in the community to learn and know what's goin on, he's a good pick. I'm half joking with the batman quote because the OP mentioned "hero-ification" but also it's also kinda true no? The guy makes multiple frameworks and changes that are core to the react ecosystem, writes an amazing blog, and then people give him flak. If you get too popular and do too much, people end up attacking you.

he's giving an intro to the new server components thing?

have you learned english recently ?

@@Sacos0 I'm gonna learn it tomorrow

Nah... HTML is the best programming language

Svelte is not js

Crablang is way better than your pathetic iron oxide 🦀

@@invinciblemode react is also not js, but at least svelte doesn't pretend to be, because its special syntax is only used in .svelte files.

@@__jan uh what are you on about. jsx compiles to createElement function calls. It’s still JS. Behaviour is predictable if you know JS. While svelte is a totally different language. Given a svelte codebase it’s not clear exactly what the compiled JS will look like.

i think it’s fair this talk was pretty raw. i usually practice for a few weeks but in this case i was a bit overwhelmed - but still really wanted to do this talk - that i finished the demo a couple of hours before the talk and finished the sequencing half an hour before the talk. although i am ashamed of my poor time management skills and overly optimistic estimation for how long it would take to get virtual DOM diffing working in internet explorer six, i think the overall structure of the talk makes sense, and it is not a bad talk. i will try to work it into a blog post at some point or record a cleaner version so that you can enjoy it too.

@@DanAbramov8 The talk was really great and understandable. Thanks!

@@DanAbramov8 u did great im not even a big react head and I managed to sit through it with flying colors. that guy's prolly a hater

@@DanAbramov8 For someone like me that wasn't up to date with server react it was still interesting, I'll still have to read docs to learn to use it but it gave me an idea of what's possible. Sure the delivery wasn't great but you tried doing something different with xp / ie and if anything it makes it more relatable to when you're writing your own code and weird stuff goes wrong!

В России все - русские? Живёт ли Дэн в России сейчас? Вот именно.

@dan_abramov. my view on r*ssia is that i left it, don't consider it my home, and am lucky enough to not need to go ...

А что в нем хорошего? Продвигал Redux, а теперь продвигает это, Redux уже плохо использовать видите ли. Через пару лет и Remix станет плохим. Абрамов - это консистенция всех плохих решений в React сообществе, и он распостраняет методологии на весь мир, а разработчикам приходится использовать эту кашу из решений. Вспомните как React начинал. Легковесная библиотека, которая умеет отрисовывать компоненты. Виртуал DOM и тд. И напару с Flux состояниями она решает все нужды фронтэнда. А сейчас? На главной же странице с установкой React, идет совет сразу его использовать с 1 из 3 фреймворков, один из которых Remix. Все плюсы Реакта на его старте, давно уже не имеют смысла, он оброс кучей дополнительных идеологий, фрэймворков, которые идут в комплекте. При этом нет вразумительной структуры у проектов и стека, который не устареет через пару лет. React это просто распиаренная в свое времялиба, которая постоянно меняет свои подходы и топчится на месте, едет по накатанной, и Remix это еще один временный костыль на React.

what do you find ugly about it? it’s not like there is even an API…

​@@DanAbramov8 I don't think people understand the problems you are trying to solve. That is why React innovates, others copy. I don't use React but I like the solutions you offer to. Thank you.

@vnshngpnt You just angry because you did not take the time to understand the talk.

Outdated usually means there's a better modern solution. What is it then?

@@kevin00898 TBH the soluion he showed is not outdated, on the contrary a new and a better way to run isomorhic apps better than alternative solutions which open doors to using languages other than js on the server side.

I don't think you understood the purpose of this talk lmao

Any Alternative suggestion??

Nah fam. Get ratioed you hater

@@surajjha5623 svelte

@@surajjha5623 pure HTML5

@@ShadoFXPerino would recommend

bad hater, just bad

That would explain how Google suck at engineering so much. But hey, at least their demos are alright!

This comment is just pure hate. No content.

Dan did a really cool presentation - what is your problem?

@@kevin00898 > _That would explain how Google suck at engineering so much._ do you have any proofs? )