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REACTING TO JAMES HOFFMANN'S ULTIMATE V60 TECHNIQUE

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@z3r0w1ng
@z3r0w1ng 2 жыл бұрын
I have extensive experience with the Hoffman or Rao swirl technique, I've been doing pour overs for more than 12 years and that technique was kind of where I was at even before seeing the JH video. It does produce a very fine cup of coffee. Then I stumbled upon your channel, immediately subbed and found your technique. The first time I got a dome (it is not as easy as you make it look), there was a noticeable difference in the cup it produced (I even gave you a shout out when it happened I was so excited). I roast my own beans. I know my coffee profile and your technique gave my cup that little something extra. Keep doing what you do. Coffee and the quest for that perfect cup is something that gives us inspiration to keep seeking, experimenting, challenging our perceptions and ultimately bonding over the simple joy that a special cup of coffee can bring to any occasion. Coffee is...love.
@neilfoster9517
@neilfoster9517 2 жыл бұрын
Still trying to get the dome. Practice and a few cups down the drain. Getting closer ever day 👍
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Thank youuuu for the support! 。 I really do appreciate that our method is fun enough for people to try and find success with. The experimentations never stop it’s too fun hahaha, always questing for better!
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Send us a picture on ig or story it so we can see and give feed back!
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
@@CodyConley We roast on the SanFransiscan SF-3 !
@4broadacre
@4broadacre 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Nice to see a reasoned discussion about the JH technique. Must admit I also found his method a bit fiddly with the need for swirling twice, stirring and pouring times for little/no benefit compared to a single stirring during the bloom phase.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Thank youuu! Yups sometimes less is moreeee! I’m sure he has changed up the technique thougu it has been two years 😊
@manuelpenaruiz3694
@manuelpenaruiz3694 2 жыл бұрын
I've tried Hoffman's technique. Then I found your single pour and have to say that while both worked fine for me, brewing for 1:45 instead of 3+ gives me a much stomach-friendly cup, gentler but still fully flavored. I think I've mastered the filter set after some practice as well as the stirring and I'm sold with this technique. Thanks Vince! As a side note, it would be interesting to hear your comments on Kasuya's 4:6 method as it's very popular, it was worth the WBC and lots of people swears by it (as I used to do before the single pour)
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Aww thank you very much!!!! I will think about Kasuyas, I too started my journey on this method ^^
@CoryandStuff
@CoryandStuff 2 жыл бұрын
Tatsu kasuya has a new technique he has been doing for the past 3-4 years. It’s just a quick single pour that lasts for 15 seconds and the drawdown should last around 90 seconds if I remember correctly.
@manuelpenaruiz3694
@manuelpenaruiz3694 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoryandStuff correct. I've been practicing that one too. Using a short 1:12 ratio, and an agressive single pour, he claims that this method produces a sweeter cup from the V60 and I can confirm that. What's interesting about this technique is the fact that the coffee grounds are used as a filter so that extraction takes place in the center only. For light roast I always use boiling water and for mediums slightly lower (say 96C) Don't recommend this technique for dark roasts.
@HistoryExplained
@HistoryExplained 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea to react to a James Hoffman video. You should consider doing another :)
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! We will be doing another reaction one soon!
@rmelgar9
@rmelgar9 2 жыл бұрын
I was looking forward for this one !! Awesome Vince !
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Thank youuuu Rodrigo!
@maxli6521
@maxli6521 2 жыл бұрын
If you state that a flat bed can possibly restrict flow rate and push it to channel through the paper, wouldn't a dome (after a stir with a chopstick) in the middle also do that? In my head, I imagine that the dome would push the water more towards the sides forcing it through the filter paper rather than a drawdown through the coffee. Would love your thoughts on this, love the channel btw!
@manuelpenaruiz3694
@manuelpenaruiz3694 2 жыл бұрын
Not really. A dome helps by increasing the apparent hydrostatic pressure at the edges thus contributing to a faster flow rate, same as the Lily drip device. At the same time, a swirl motion helps with the fines which are responsible for stall in most cases, leaving in the center just the biggest (or average sized) particles. This aids on flow rate too.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Tips this exactly. The dome is cause the beans are floating and not sank down when it’s moving down. Flat bed means it’s been agitated so much it’s become flat and pasty
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yeah it’s weird but the paper resistance is very high actually and the water spinning outwards is being held by tension of the water that’s in the filter already. So it holds the water in the filters and blends with the beans for the high extraction but lower draw time
@neilfoster9517
@neilfoster9517 2 жыл бұрын
Tales videos will teach you how to do it better. I ordered a Hario switch from them and picked up a Hario air kettle this made the jump possible. You must control the water flow my kitchen kettle couldn’t do it folks you must have water control 👍 Thanks
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Thanksssss! Hope you’re doing well with the methods!
@alexcaraballo3189
@alexcaraballo3189 Жыл бұрын
I'm actually glad I found your channel because I agree with you on the swirl. I feel clunky trying to swirl the coffee
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE Жыл бұрын
AWW thank you for this! Yeah the swirl is only there to pull the micro fines back into the middle .. which causes a lot of clogging and in return makes the coffee extracts in a less balanced way! Glad you're enjoying the content!
@_mattnguyen
@_mattnguyen 2 жыл бұрын
It's important to note that if when you find brew methods from coffee professionals, those are snapshots of how they liked to brew at that particular point in time. The whole industry is still learning and a lot of professionals are continuously experimenting and developing their understanding of coffee extraction. It's likely that guys like Hoffmann and Rao aren't even using the brew methods they've become known for anymore.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
It’s techniques they’re known for and people ask us on our opinion of them. Of course we know this. My single pour method has changed even just over the years as we refine it. But people still refer back to the latest one and if we don’t update they’ll never know. . So until then, Hoffman is known for this method.
@_mattnguyen
@_mattnguyen 2 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE oh yeah of course. this was just a general comment for other viewers, not necessarily for you.
@tabahito6606
@tabahito6606 2 жыл бұрын
I luv your sigle pour technic even using lighter roast or darker roast i got good extraction always got good flavor of the beans. Thanks
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Thank youuuu!!
@tabahito6606
@tabahito6606 2 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE Just read your reply only now we got signal from telcos after typhoon last 12/19/21 no electicity only now hope to see more guide from you. Thanks
@ritchakaritch
@ritchakaritch 2 жыл бұрын
hi man, i think jh is one of the most famous, for sure one of the most used here in uk, it's really nice see a different point of view considering how much different is yours. another one that is really booming, at least on yt and reddit is the one from lance hedrick, that is very different from yours
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the Lance Hendrick oneeee! It’s the one with the long long bloom if I recall!
@kyleblandon2250
@kyleblandon2250 Жыл бұрын
Ha I love the simplifying aspect of already simple directions and explanations. JH "For light roasts, the hotter the water, the better" OP "so what he's saying is, you really want to use hot water for light roasts" JH "you want to avoid clumping" OP "so what he's saying is, you don't want clumps" 😂 love it...
@tippykaffu4047
@tippykaffu4047 2 жыл бұрын
I think the side channeling on the flat bed can be fixed with zig zag pour to actually pass through the grind. Its actually one of my favorite kind of pouring technique of non single pour technique. I had a lot of great coffees with zig zagging pours and just think about how much water needed for every pour next. I also found that flat bed is actually very common among non-YT baristas in cafes and pulling great, balanced but not as intense as the single pours since there is not really much agitation. Before fully moving into single pours, I was actually doing some kind of hybrid of your single pour techniques and Hoffman's which is blooming then second pour with stirring and then third pour. I remember them being juicy and very fruity compared to my old James technique. I feel like I might try that old technique again.
@manuelpenaruiz3694
@manuelpenaruiz3694 2 жыл бұрын
Zig zag, interesting. Vince's technique also suggests to stirr at the end to PUSH the extraction. This is IMO where the magic kicks in. Stirring forces the particles to suspend for longer, and fines are pushed towards the filter, where temperature is lower and laminar flow lowers the extraction speed. Like, I'm not pretending to get painfully academic with this but, single pour works great and it's very repeatable which is why I love it. At 1:45 avg all flavors are extracted but caffeine is lower than that I get from longer brews
@tippykaffu4047
@tippykaffu4047 2 жыл бұрын
@@manuelpenaruiz3694 I used to stir in the second pour because I tried to stir in the third one but it just doesnt taste good. Its probably because of the time and water ratio when the time it was stirred.
@manuelpenaruiz3694
@manuelpenaruiz3694 2 жыл бұрын
@@tippykaffu4047 Yeah. As we all know coffee extraction is an step process that we cannot modify. Stirring around 0:55 mark is great for delicious coffee but i can't say the same if stirring takes place past this point as we could end up extracting too much caffeine and fibers that taste bitter. I agree with Vince on total brew time and to me 1:45 avg works perfect. Longer than 2:00 and you'll be in the critical zone (bitterness, unpleasant flavors)
@manuelpenaruiz3694
@manuelpenaruiz3694 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to Mr James reply ☕
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@meursault.1984
@meursault.1984 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Thank you for the in-depth coffee contents you are putting out, I hope more people get to know your channel! Just interested also to know your opinion with the lily drip? Maybe you can do coffee theories regarding this thing. Thanks!
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
I think the theories that I use with the single pour and everything don't have much clogging issues therefore we don't see the need for the lily drip. But it does create a nicer flatter surface at the top that's wider for sure!
@n6rcan
@n6rcan 7 ай бұрын
I gotta watch all of your videos
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 7 ай бұрын
Haha thanks!!!
@ewancameron5281
@ewancameron5281 2 жыл бұрын
I am one of the many people who swore by the JH method until I came across your single pour technique and it has quickly become my go to! I was wondering, I usually make two cups worth when I brew for myself and my wife, so how would you adjust your technique and timings for single pour for two cups? Cheers!
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Awww thank you for your support! For larger batches you will want to go up a little in grind size. You should also pour a little softer from the beginning to the middle phase and only speed up a little later into the brew. 。 The idea is if you pour hard you’re agitating more then a soft pour which causes clogging. Because you have a larger batch you’ll actually want to go extra slow and cause as little agitation as possible so down the middle only and low and slow until you’re half way then speed up and stir!
@robertocamones2546
@robertocamones2546 8 ай бұрын
Capooooo!!!
@philipfreedman615
@philipfreedman615 2 жыл бұрын
Why has your latest video on Hario Switch stopped and shown as private?
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Uhhh I accidentally released it at the wrong time and Jacky got mad at me HAHAHA SORRRRYYYY! Had to make it private again and he got mad at me again HAHHAAHHAA sorry for thatttt
@eduardoherrera3341
@eduardoherrera3341 2 жыл бұрын
hi... this was my first v60 technique i learned... worker very fine... but i have a request, Can you explain how lilyDrip works? it supose to improve the v60 but i'm still getting better coffee without the lilyDrip hhahaha... maybe i doing it wrong
@manuelpenaruiz3694
@manuelpenaruiz3694 2 жыл бұрын
Lily drip works by making the coffee bed depth more uniform. This (In theory) contributes to get all the grounds within the sweet zone. Lily device also helps to increase filter area for faster flow rate (less restriction) so if you use lily drip you should adjust grind size accordingly. Lily drip tends to speed up the flow so the idea is to grind bit finer to get a consistent draw down time but extracting bit more. I don't find lily drip as necessary but interesting to play with.
@eduardoherrera3341
@eduardoherrera3341 2 жыл бұрын
mmmm i think i found the answer with your reply, i did not changed the grind and leave it as it like in normal v60 🤔🤔🤔, but the point is that there is not to much info about lilyDrip, no recipes, no cience behind, tweaks and tricks, etc.
@manuelpenaruiz3694
@manuelpenaruiz3694 2 жыл бұрын
@@eduardoherrera3341 it's not that complex TBH. Lily drip is just a gadget to increase flow rate. That's it. At the same time it makes the coffee bed shallower which is good (in theory) to improve extraction uniformity. So, if you have the Lily your pouring becomes easier too. Think of pouring in circles and that's it. No worries about pouring towards the edges of the center. Forget all that. Just pour in circles and you'll get a more consistent extraction. So my suggestion for you is to grind bit finer, push the extraction till you hit the ugly taste and then go back a bit. As said, this is just a fun gadget to play with. No rocket science here pal
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the replies Manuel! I have been pretty busy didn’t even have time to check the KZfaq 😩 。 But yes .. Edwarrrrd! The lily is just a form of holding up the grinds to allow for more room to flow down, it essentially helps keep the hole at the bottom large for a faster flow rate. It’s best for people who struggle with flow rates, but with a single pour there isn’t much of an issue there. We aim to be under 2 minutes which is fast enough! Hope that explains why we don’t use it or haven’t really looked into it ^^
@4lottisintellect
@4lottisintellect 2 жыл бұрын
Watched his video when first published, tried his technique many times though never had good results. Gave up. Recently came across your videos, subbed right away, can't wait to try the single pour. That's how we made coffee in Germany when I was growing up there. Ordered a Hario Switch yesterday and so excited to try it. Enjoy all your videos, explanations etc. Thank you. Addicted to your channel now.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Aww thank you!!! Yeah I wanted to hear more thoughts or explanations when I started myself, so I decided to share my views to hopefully help people understand how I see coffee and see if they relateee heeheheee 😬
@carlosemoralesm
@carlosemoralesm 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, are you interested in do a Lance Hedrick method react video?
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely considering it hhh
@LanceHedrick
@LanceHedrick 2 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE do it!
@jrodori
@jrodori Жыл бұрын
Subscribed
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE Жыл бұрын
WOOO THANKS!
@helloimthecaptain
@helloimthecaptain 2 жыл бұрын
why you gotta soyface on the thumbnail, Vincent! lol My technique is directly taken from you thank you for the vids
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you're liking the method and thought process! You're welcomeee!
@Duffy_sashimistool
@Duffy_sashimistool 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like your medium fine is finer than his lol
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah right! I didn’t realize how fine my medium fine is 😂
@gonzozil
@gonzozil 2 жыл бұрын
Why not use a Lily Drip, then, to work with the V60?
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t have issues with the flow rates with our single pour technique, so the lily for us isn’t as necessary. It’s better for larger batches and blooms imo
@gonzozil
@gonzozil 2 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE with the Hario Switch, there is no need for the Lily Drip and yes, the mixing action makes sure that the coffee is mixed thoroughly and evenly. I love the Switch plus the stir. 👍🏼
@greysuit17
@greysuit17 2 жыл бұрын
I hate the swirl, when I got my Origami’s I found several vids highlighting the swirl technique. I find it to risky of making a mess and highly inefficient. Chopstick is definitely the way to go if you’re going to agitate.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Yessssss chopsticks are the way. I’ve tested a lot with swirling and haven’t had the best results with it personally >.
@fredgab
@fredgab 2 жыл бұрын
Would be great to compare with traditional japanese kissaten techniques or osmotic flow! Cheers
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Okay! I’ve been meaning to do those as well!
@YoItsM0
@YoItsM0 2 жыл бұрын
Made nothing but hollow, bitter, nauseating cups for the first month of owning my 1zpresso Kpro + buying high grade speciality beans, I couldn't figure out what was wrong, was following recipes to the tee with grind size and everything, using great water etc... I was following religiously the advice of "water as hot as possible" for a number of different light roasts from reputable London roasters. I even brewed some ridiculously light, cinnamon coloured Ethiopian beans and STILL, straight off the boil is simply too hot! (water here boils at 99.9C so ymmv) So I find this "hotter is better" thing extremely irresponsible advice. You can achieve very high extraction of better flavours by grinding finer to expose more surface, then using a *slightly* lower temp to dissolve only the tasty stuff, so simple! You are only limited by your grind quality and the flow-rate/grind-size of your brewing method, which in this case... yes... the v60 (percolation) is flawed in that you have to balance flow rate with grind size and extract as much as possible in that time. So "as hot as possible without getting bad tastes" would be a more fitting statement😅😅, + maybe acknowledging the blatant flaw in conical brewers being that they clog exponentially depending on agitation, hence the need for a certain grind. A week ago I had my "Eureka" cup when I left my kettle to cool for a minute or 2! Been nothing but delicious cups since then and I've been grinder finer and finer getting more pungent sweetness and finish! Can't wait to taste more coffee Grind fineness = maximum ext.yield (for a given set of variables) Water temp = which flavours are extracted first (too hot = overpowering bitter note, even at very coarse grinds) Sorry for the rant, just abit salty from receiving poor advice! Hope someone can take away from my experience.
@seanvanwyk5502
@seanvanwyk5502 2 жыл бұрын
April Coffee
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Aite, I’ve been watching their channel for a while too so I will go review one of theirs soon too!
@razineatworld
@razineatworld 2 жыл бұрын
There is no right or wrong in brewing coffee.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
I’m merely stating what I think is going on at each part. Never said right or wrong, merely suggesting what I would change and why
@alexander8722
@alexander8722 2 жыл бұрын
Bump
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
🥺🥺🥺
@taobud9280
@taobud9280 Жыл бұрын
What a useless video...no information added, just click bait repetition. So you like Jame's technique sort of...good for you...unsubscribe.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE Жыл бұрын
😅 bye
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE Жыл бұрын
Did you even watch or listen to what I said. I am merely explaining how some parts of his technique doesn’t work. It actually does explain a lot of information .. I guess you didn’t bother though. My video isn’t good enough to hold your attention. Too bad
@inevahdie
@inevahdie 2 жыл бұрын
Stop! Yelling! God! Damn it! Content is good but I find it very hard to watch
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