The interaction between Clays parents was powerful. Even though his mom was hurt, she was addressing his father for Clay and to get healing for Clay. So beautiful.

Also with Clay's mom saying what she said to her Ex but in such a dignified manner, and yet she did not humiliate or drag him. However, she still got her point across. She is a Queen.

AD said in a previous episode if he said no at the altar that would be it for them. He clearly didn't believe her.

AD unfortunately had to see Clay go from Prince Charming to Prince Alarming when the signs were there from the jump

Clay's dad seems to compete with his son n can't help but wonder if he's happy with him not getting married so he can just continue to "play the field" like he did...that way he remains n will always be Clay's "role model"..

Best Analysis of Clay. I appreciate you guys giving him some grace. He is a flawed man but honest and transparent. He saved AD by not marrying her, especially at this point. I hope gets help, heals and does better.

"If you look loose, you cook a goose." Finally, words to live by!

Thanks, David, for your thoughts on the interaction between Clay's parents. Any time Clay's mother appreared in the series, my respect for her grew.

This was actually so beautiful especially David’s analysis of clay and his family. I think that what clays mother did is going to be very validating and inspiring to a lot of women around the world. She stood up for herself so gracefully.

Clay said all the right things when he wanted to, but to me, it felt like he was narrating, not emoting. I felt no emotion behind his words at all. 😢

Clay's mom was so calm & peaceful when she was pointing out to Clay's dad that basically he has scarred him with his thoughts on marriage knowing what he saw growing up with his trifling cheating daddy and still hearing it years later definitely had to make her feel even more betrayed but thank goodness they are divorced.....so sad she wasted so many years with his turd azzzzz tho

I appreciate how deep you got on that conversation between Clay’s parents. I was bawling my eyes out in that scene.

Clay Never Intended To Marry Her..He did the show for Clout..He Gave AD Every Red Flag Im Gonna Hurt You & He Did It

These edits make this even more fun to watch!

Not to defend Clay's Father, but he was not spouting nonsense. He was actually attempting to recite a poem... "Thinking" or "The Man Who Thinks He Can" by Walter D. Wintle If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think you dare not, you don't. If you'd like to win, but you think you can't, It is almost a cinch you won't. If you think you'll lose, you've lost; For out in this world we find Success begins with a fellow's will It's all in the state of mind. If you think you're outclassed, you are; You've got to think high to rise. You've got to be sure of yourself before You can ever win the prize. Life's battles don't always go To the stronger or faster man; But sooner or later the man who wins Is the man who thinks he can!

I'm convinced the producers talked Jimmy into going back to Chelsea after he left because they literally would not have had enough content to finish the season without them.

Clay's mom and Amy's dad made me feel so emotional watching this episode.😢

Dennis opening of Clays toast was amazing

I totally agree with David, this was undeniably a high-quality viewing experience. Genuine, complex emotions and conversations that branch out to broader social issues. I think for all the problematic aspects of reality TV (of which there are MANY, as we all know from this show lol) there are moments like these where the stars align and it gives us a unique opportunity to see challenges we all share as people, in a (semi) real life example with (semi) real consequences, with just enough of the magic disney fairytale dust swept away to see part of the true human condition. Normally we get these experiences as they happen to and around us in daily life, but reality TV is a format that we can all witness together at the same time and have huge conversations about, across a wider variety of people with a wider variety of perspectives and experiences than we could have access to in our immediate vicinity. That potential for widespread, connected dialogue across generations and borders and cultures is a huge part of what makes any media-- including sports-- so compelling. And that's why I think two sports people are naturally suited to break this show down, because we're all watching the same thing together and rooting for our favorites and booing our villains, trying to make sense of it together, in a collaborative way. The content is like a vehicle for us to understand others on a deeper level

This episode was phenomenal and so was this review wowowow I didnt catch the eye roll but when Clays dad was talking about his dad and the queen says "I know" i just knew shes heard this a million times over

Jimmy lives in a singles area of Charlotte and supposedly went out every night once they moved in together. He was comfortable talking to ALL the women because he is used to doing it nightly, lol. He had ZERO plans to marry Chelsea once he saw her in person. Jessica is pretty clear in that Chelsea got done dirty by production. Like Clay with AD, Jimmy saved Chelsea from herself (she needs therapy not marriage). The wildest part was that Jimmy broke it off before the actual altar. Supposedly that costs like 50K unless you get a release. And Mina as usual is correct. Jimmy (Clay and most of the guys) was only going to be happy if he soundly outkicked his coverage. Clay is pretty clear that is NOT into monogamy AT ALL. Production let that happen and loved it. He was very unserious the entire season. Amy and Johnny were sweet but felt ohhh so young. Like, fresh out of high school are we letting these babies get married?

If Clay was not ready for marriage, don’t go on the show. That’s the whole damn point!!

I’m so glad I found your channel! Mina is one of the only people I listen to when I need to hear my real Dallas Cowboys news !!🤣 LIB was really good this season can’t wait until the reunion!

Clay really needed more from his father in that moment when they were alone in the cabin. Not sure that really became a realization for his father until he spoke with Clay’s mother. Powerful scene. Tried to give an excuse after Clay’s mother said “no excuses”, and you could really tell in that moment that this was a grown, older man with so much unsettled with his childhood and relationship with his father. They’re going to have to have some tough conversations for Clay to get anywhere near an actual serious, consistent relationship. Heartbreaking portion of the show but so needed on so many levels.

You guys have the best unpack of LIB, so glad I found your channel! Totally agree with all your notes on clay and fam. It made me emotional to watch, was the most real reality episode ever. Thanks for your thoughtful insights

46:22 Mina is for sure talking about Emanuel Acho 😂😂😂

I think Jimmy never was interested in her and would be distant with no cameras. Her insecurity stemmed from his words not matching his actions. He was concerned about blowback because of appearance comments. Didn't want the internet to go after him. Set her up to be the bad guy.

😂😂😂hilarious review and yall wanted Jimmy to go ahead & ride the rides after he dumped Chelsea 😂😂 yall scandalous 😂😂and soooo true I agree when yall said Clay's daddy had that dr suess rhythm speech talking to clay, lol no wonder Clay is a confused man😂

33-40min was one of the best breakdowns I’ve heard of this franchise. You guys killed it, thank you. That moment with Clay’s parents will stay with me for a while.

Love , the review 🔥🔥🔥🔥🎉🎉🎉🎉 Love the stuff on AD dad advise , so funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

If they were best friends like Clay kept saying, he would have shielded her. Even if it was a pact. Like "I'm gonna say yes, AD and you say no. It'll be iconic!" If she was in on it, it wouldn't have been so bad. It may have saved her life to say no, but it was wrong not to make a plan off camera ahead of time. He knew she loved him. He should have told her.

I think Jimmy told Chelsea the day before because he just couldn't go thru with it and he didn't want to humiliate her further by having her walk down the aisle and dropping her in front of everyone. It was merciful.

I think as Jimmy thought more and more about his relationship with Chelsea he realized that he just couldn't go through with it. And he waited to end things on camera because he wanted it to be done with witnesses, but not at the altar. Chelsea already confuses him during their fights and twists things around.

KZfaq autoplay brought me here. This was a great review!!!

THE ITYSL JIMMY ON THE ZIP LINE MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD

Clay's mom told his dad he should apologize to Clay, not her. She said things came up she didn’t know but amazingly, her focus was on her son, not on her feelings.

this is by far the best video. You all have seen with your own eyes, how our culture operates. Black women are appreciated for accepting the role as a doormat and a servant. This show highlighted the dysfunction in the black community. It is more EXACTLY as you've seen than not.

Are you guys willing to do a Q&A episode after the reunion show? Specifically with the Jimmy/Chelsea thing I wondered if there is some kind of incentive the show gives the couples to actually get to the wedding and make the true decision of "I do" at the altar. It was clear Jimmy was ready to break it off after their big fight, but I think the pressure of exposing his family and girlfriends to more embarrassment he would rather just say no before walking down the aisle. I'd be really curious what other people think about this.

Every time Jimmy was on, the voice from the arcade game Sinistar was in my head saying, RUN RUN RUN.

Here's the thing, the couples have shared they "knew" or had conversations (off camera) of what they would say on decision day or at the altar and this time Jimmy had the conversation with Chelsea on camera on what his decision would be. However, I guess, because they did that (on camera) they did not have a wedding or "at the altar" decision. It makes sense that couples do have the conversation BEFORE the wedding, so no one is blindsided. In that regard, Jimmy did the right thing. And I am not a Jimmy fan but everything he said actually made sense.

Jimmy is the King of double speak. He says all kinds of things that don’t align with his actions. To quote Tate’s Take, “the only person he’s gaslighting is himself”😄. He doesn’t make any sense. I don’t even think Chelsea truly likes him- she just wanted to “win” against “a Jessica”. They are mess and it’s a good thing they didn’t go through with it.

3:06 not the zip line edit 😂😂😂

I totally agree with David Dennis, AD was adorable and funny... she seemed far more fun and interesting than everyone else (which is likely why she got so much camera time lol) Was sad for her, but Clay did the right thing.

He was already talking abt AD in past tense to his dad. It was obvious he knew he was gonna say no

I'm from North Carolina and......YES!!!!! You are so right about Carowinds & Nascar!!!!! 🤩🤩🤩

I binged every episode of you two. This is the duo I didn't know I needed. Please do more reviews together!!! Also, Clay and AD were so heavy I needed a break. I fast forwarded through the other couple at the end 😂. I feel like they should have reversed the episode and gave us happy times first.

Where does David work/ does he have a pod? I liked him on these videos.

Clay wasn’t going to marry AD because of her financial situation. He alluded to that. If AD was abundantly wealthy, Clay would have married her.

The injury report 😭😭

Don’t forget the clearly A phi A pen on the lapel of the Dad. 🙄

So with Forest Gump and Megan Fox, she said something to the effect of "yesterday was a bad day for me, but today I feel so confident in us", meaning there may have been an additional fight the day before. And she seems to downplay all the fights like small hiccups...like miss ma'am, this is fight # 17 and that shit adds up. She's 100% in the wrong and he did her a favour by breaking up before the alter. He definitely led her on from jump cuz he hasn't liked her from day one, but she is insufferable and idk how anyone could like her during her time on the show. Hope she gets the help she needs

In answer to your question, Clay ABSOLUTELY knew he wasn't going to marry her. He also was not in love with AD. I am not saying he is a horrible person. He simply did not feel for her what he wants her to believe.

19:45 😂😂😂 someone.. please… pick me off the floor lmao 🤣🤣🤣

OMG...Cookout!!!! Sorry, I just had to show some love for Cookout!!! 🔥🔥🔥We need one out here in the Rocky Mountains.

The intro has me cracking up lol. I was right there with it. It didn’t go above me or under me.

Clays mom had the best quotes of the season and maybe the franchise. “Explain and apologize no excuses just apologize” Dad “I meet you and he’ll meet someone like his mom” Mom “Yeah but you meet me but you wasn’t good to me”. Mic Drop 🎤

I think Mina was talking about Stephen A 😂

I was rocking with David until him hyping up Scarowinds. Worst event ever. Loved the pod. You two killed it. Now do more shows :D.

The mother was not at all concerned about working through her feelings or standing up for herself...she is faaaar beyond that...her ONLY concern was her the future happiness if her son and actually AD as well

I feel like marriages where it's clear that the guy outkicked the coverage are more likely to be successful. I don't have the stats but anecdotally, there is a trend.

Yall need to do another show to continue these videos, i dont want it to end

Subscribed because of Wowee Zowee in the background

I truly appreciate the nuance of this conversation regarding Clay and AD. I'm not sure how the internet will react and I'm not going to check lol but Clay made a decision that he was weighing the entire season.

After a few bad seasons, this season ended being one of the most dramatic/emotional/fun!!

Loved the episode! I’ve heard y’all mention a couple of times that it’s a live reunion? But I haven’t seen that anywhere else? (Also some rumors have reported sightings of some of the cast flying into LA. And the production crew does the whole thing of flying 2 people who have nothing to do with each other just to throw fans off the scent. But idk?) Just hadn’t heard it?

Regarding Clays and AD…. The father’s presence was the reason for Clay saying no….I felt for Clay and for his mother…it was very pay to watch…. AD dodged a bullet…Clay needs healing and therapy.

Clay's parents explain his way of talking which is non-stop word salad continuous train of thought strings of words that don't really fit, are completely empty, and waiting for someone to just please interrupt him. Also, Clay is not young. He acts like a 23 year old, but he's 30.

Clay made the right decision, but should've never been on the show. You should be ready on all fronts for commitment to be part of the process and from the jump he was not.

You know those people (I've been one of them) who makes plans with every intention of falling through in that moment but then regrets it by the next day. You know you have no intention of following through, but you don't break them in hopes you may find the desire to go out....but you end up fighting with yourself before finding a shifty excuse and canceling... that's Clay.

I don’t think it’s bad thing clay admitted he needed therapy.

Clays mom is so classy, so is AD. Both Clay and his dad got reality checks that you only get one shot with a good woman.

Maybe You have to be kid of caribbean ancestry but what Clayton's dad is giving is like affirmations like sayings that you learn growing up meant to give direction. Like a bunch of sayings: you learn growing up

So, can I point out (if someone else hasn't already) that BOTH Clay and Jimmy said, "I can work with that." about their partners. Clay was just tacky about when and where he said it. Jimmy said it duing his confessional time behind Chelsea's back. 😂

Obviously I know you from ESPN and covering sports but to see you covering and reacting to something other than sports is a welcome change not that you don’t do a good job covering sports but most sports journalists don’t venture out and react to tv shows or series outside of sports so to see you do it is a nice switch, do you react to other shows also?

Butterfly is old, lemme see the tootsie roll! 😂😂😂😂

Maybe just the more Jimmy thought about it and then the way Chelsea kept saying before she said she wanted to marry him that she had been teetering on the fence. Maybe that was like the last straw?

I thought I was the only one concerned about Clay saying: rock out with your boy...

I feel like you guys couldn’t be more wrong when it comes to Clay. Maybe it takes one to know one, but as a former f*ckboy….Clay SCREAMS f*ckboy!!

28:16 give the editor a raise

Clay's mom is a Queen ❤

Now that I think of it, I wonder if Clay would’ve gone through with the marriage had his father never attended🤔

I think the one thing I keep coming back to from this season... If Chelsea chooses Trevor, and Jimmy chooses Jess, it feels like things play out better for those 4 people.

The ONLY way they're not dating is because Clay doesn't want to, the ONLY reason!

Clay wasn't coming home at night! Who was actually surprised by this?! I'm just mad he did her so dirty. That was evil.

FOOKIN' TREVAH!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Mina you sound exactly like zendaya

I don't think was spur of the moment...he was too relaxed, not dressed up, talked about her in the past tense. I just didn't see any of the signs that would have expected to see from him if he were truly serious.

Megan Fox next to Jimmy 😂

I actually think part of ADs challenge has been her trying to sidestep the stereotype of unsupportive, angry, attitudinal black woman who doesnt deserve a caring and comitted partner...so she battles it by sticking by and providing support getting little in return

Conspiracy, I think that AD is renovating her home to sell, and calling it real estate. It explains the confusing finances and her having free time .

Carowinds slaps, it has really good roller coasters

Clay IS NOT going to try and keep dating her. Once he's free he's going to date lots of others

clay loves his mother the way he knows how to love but he idolizes his father. Poor thing, these schmenz are out here mentally a mess.

I was born and raised in NC and Busch Gardens in Williamsburg, Virginia was way more awesome than Carowinds.

bad upload quality lag lagging rip

Run the tape back again because what she said he did was exactly what he did. What happened in that scene of episdie 12 was a perfect time example of gaslighting. Social media was practically making memes about the fact that Jimmy said he did want to have *ex with her. Now he is seem blatantly gaslighting her everybody is either conveniently missing it or severely down playing it. smh 💛💜

😂😂😂 who knew cheating was genetically inherited

ADs mom was sort of a villain. Older black women are very easily tricked by a good looking bible quoting black man. She should’ve open ADs eyes to all the obvious red flags but I think she was blinded by what she wanted for her daughter which was simply marriage

Mini I’m kinda surprised at your quickness to judge Jess and other women as calculated but dismiss Clay as mostly innocent. Not loving the internalized misogyny (it’s innate in us, I don’t blame you!) Also don’t love calling what Clay did as a “favor”, he definitely knew he wasn’t saying yes imo! Theres definitely some pushing from producers to get them to the altar to end things… can’t think of any other reason he’d do it like that. So cold and cruel. Not to mention his “I don’t wanna leave you!” BS - that was SO MANIPULATIVE

The simple truth is that AD was not “hot” enough for Clay. She’s a gem and dodged a bullet by him saying no. I believe Clay was emotionally abused by his father. It will take a lot of therapy and time for him to be ready to be a faithful husband.