Modernist theology has the same modus operandi every time: it begs for a seat at the table, then it argues to be at the head of the table, then it demands that everybody else leaves the table.

"This isn't about belief, you can believe what you want". This statement is a cause for pause and deep thought.

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3 (NIV).

"...when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?” Luke 18.8

This is what happens when the church's "conscience" is aligned to the world rather than to God.

Turns out Unitarian Universalists were just ahead of the curve.

10:14 “… that slope is pretty slippery.” That’s a cliff, not a slope.

“It’s not an intellectual problem. People just don’t want to stop sinning.” J. Vernon McGee

Between these guys and the Church of Scotland, I feel really bad for Presbyterians.

Mainline churches are basically "why bother?" churches. When your church has no distinct theology, is blatently unbiblical in its teaching and is more focused on promoting the latest social justice cause being pushed by the corporate media instead of traditional Christian values, people say, why bother going to church when none of it matters anyway?

I always enjoy your videos and your presentation. It's straight forward and to the point without condemnation. Simply factual. Thank you.

Fun Fact: the “mainline” in mainline Protestantism refers to the “Main Line” of infrastructure improvements built to connect Philadelphia to the new capital in Harrisburg. Chief among these was the Pennsylvania Railroad mainline. Wealthy residents (read: Protestants) of Philadelphia quickly established suburbs along the mainline, building protestant churches as they went. These were therefore the “mainline churches”, and the area is still referred to as the mainline. These mainline churches were distinguished from the lower class protestant churches (and Catholic Churches) of the city. Thus the wealthy denominations can to be called the mainline churches or mainline denominations. This wealthy suburbanizing trend occurred in every major city as the railroad mainlines were built, so the term gain common purchase across the country. And that’s how we got the mainline in mainline Protestant.

"Where orthodoxy becomes optional, it will eventually be proscribed." -Rev. Al Kimmel

By their fruits you shall know them.

The comments from the PCUSA's affirming committee in response to the conservative group sound an awful like the folks who scoffed at conservatives who suggested that legalizing gay marriage would lead to florists and cake decorators being sued for refusing to work a gay wedding. We know how that turned out.

"Nobody is being forced to..." Yeah they are. ALL people who wish to become Ministers of Word and Sacrament (ordained clergy) in the PC(USA) are examined as to their views and commitment to the Book of Order. Failure to agree to conduct one's ministry by the requirements of the Book of Order means a "NO" vote for approval to be ordained and to accept a call. If that's not forcing someone to comply, I don't know what is. I just retired after 28 years of ministry in the PC(USA); I know what I'm talking about. I invite comments seeking clarification on any of this.

I didn’t leave the church, the church left me.

Wasn't the idea of Protestantism that the Bible should be the ultimate authority? When did they replace the Bible with Committees for authority?

Redeemed Zoomer bros.. not like this… not like this…

Step 1: "We DONT have the right to dismiss homosexuality from the Christian community" Step 2: "We DO have the right to dismiss you from the Christian community for not affirming homosexuality"

The scriptures are totally clear on homosexuality. It is not a subject of interpretation.

I never could understand why people who call themselves Christians, who have chosen a career in ministry, would approved openly unbiblical behavior.

In 2016 I lived one block away from the manhattan Protestant riverside church. As a faithful catholic , I poked my head inside and walked around to see what riverside was offering, it was wall to wall Black Lives Matter posters and pride flags. No thanks

So sad. The amount of deceit that was required for these churches to end up where they are. Truth is necessary, Christ is necessary.

The church has become more and more conformed to the world rather to our Lord Jesus Christ. Judgment is around the corner.

My faith has been recently reawakened within the past 6 months, but my understanding is that we are called to repentance and to deny the self, not to indulge the self. What makes pornography an indulgence of the self, and homosexuality not? This needs to be a serious discussion.

It always seem to start out as a request by change agents for tolerance then progresses to intolerance to those who earlier agreed to be tolerant to the change agents.

I remember how God describes certain Luke warm churches and says that he basically vomits them out. Well, I can see the main line denominations fitting that description.

God is sorting those who want truth and those who don't.

When you “tolerate” heresy and heretics, they will eventually take over your congregation.

Not surprising when the culture influences the church instead of the other way around.

Shocker, the people who subscribe to their own interpretation of the scriptures are suddenly trying to purge the ones who actually agree with tradition...funny how this always ends the same way.

As denominations chase after secular morality they become what Paul describes in 2 Timothy 3:1-9. Outwardly they look to be followers of Christ, but inwardly they're as corrupt and craven as the unsaved, and they celebrate it, rather than seeking freedom from sin. They have the truth that Christ died for our sins, but they focus on talking about Christ coming to teach us about love, and they distort His teachings to focus on tolerance and acceptance, instead of repentance.

Thank you for the discussion and sources of information. Blessings.

As a member of a disaffilliated United Methodist Church, I know what you're going through

redeemed zoomer gonna feel the burn

Let me make sure I understand this. According to the pro-amendment camp, churches will still be able to call whomever they want...but, at minimum, all new pastors coming out of the seminaries will be required to hold to these heterodox beliefs? How naive do they think people are?

Some churches need to consider. Mark 7:8 "For laying aside the commandments of God, you hold the traditions of men....... Mark 7:13 "Making the word of God of no effect through you tradition... Acts 5:29 "Peter and the other apostles answered and said: We ought to obey God Rather than men." Accepting someone does not mean supporting them not following God's teachings and example. You can love them but not agree with everything they do.

Luther often spoke of "the Radicals". People split fellowship over a myriad of reasons, but I don't think even Luther could have conceived of how desperately wicked the American Christian landscape would get. Most are becoming antinomians these days. American Protestants are a mess in 2024.

As usual, the information you put forward is accurate and balanced. Thank for sharing.

And this is how being uncompromising dies: with thunderous applause.

The more of these videos that I watch the more I am glad that I am Catholic.

A fascinating, balanced, in-depth analysis. Thank you, Joshua, for your comprehensive research and "just the facts" reporting.

I really appreciate the neutral, informative approach in these videos.

I attended a Presbyterian USA seminary and had the deep impression that all were welcome, as long as one affirmed the progressive views of the faculty. There was a blantent self-imposed ignorance and denial by the instructors that many Presbyterians disagreed with the teachings that were being promoted. Students who openly questioned or rejected certain perspectives were often criticized and excluded by their peers. There was a lot of backbiting because of this. I felt there was freedom of expression and thought, as long as you supported the leftist messages. There were classes where the lessons clearly contradicted scripture, but there was never an explanation as to why that was. You simply needed to regurgitate the ideals of the professors. Anyone who did not yeild to what was being said was labed as racist, provential, or patriarchal. There was simply a lack of TRUE dialogue and critical thinking. In the midst of this, the seminary, out of necessity, had to sell property to merely stay afloat. Many seminarians lost their housing as a result. There was distrust between the student body, faculty, and administration. Simply no transparency. . . It seemed the institution was keen to neglect the open and all together theology they claimed to uphold and advocate, all for the sake of the dollar. Professors, who so often claimed advocacy for the marginalized, were suddenly silent. I am sure this was out of security for their jobs and positions. In all, it was clear that this method could not sustain itself. This seems to be a trend throughout the wider Presbyterian denomination. I believe Matthew 7:24-27 offers clear insight into this situation. The Presbyterian church is not the only faith group to encounter these challenges. But time will tell as the wheat and chaff separate themselves. Prayers for the Presbyterians who are overlooked and forgotten in this sad development.

As someone who recently came back to the Catholic church since March. Seeing these denominations split makes me sad but at same time there really is nothing new under the sun.

If all these mainline churches keep formally rupturing over a number of the most fundamental questions of Faith & Morals that were once touted as being “basic fundamental Christian truths necessary for salvation,” I’d imagine a mainline protestant should pause to give serious discernment to the whole Protestant schema and framework. As I saw with the UCC and UMC ruptures, lots of protestants lamenting their mainline brethren “abandoning the Gospel truth” then not scrutinizing any further, as we see (once unified) mainline protestantism go through further balkanization. It’s getting to the point where mainline protestants are now embracing those basic heresies of Docetism/Arianism/Pelagianism/etc.

We will not back down. We will restore true teaching in the PCUSA no matter what it takes!

10:40 Half of those committees are reason enough to leave the denomination.

‘These people [a]draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

Your balanced & fair reporting is appreciated.

If I am not mistaken, when the PCUSA affirmed the ordination of women to ordained office it wasn’t mandated at first. It only took a few years before it became mandatory. I belief that is the same trajectory they are on now with the homosexual issue. It is only a matter of time. I also think the Fellowship churches are delusional if they believe it is possible to engage in ministry and missions with apostates. They would do well to disaffiliate now rather than wait for the other shoe to drop.

Im sorry for all Methodist and Presbyterian who are Bible believing and truly of Jesus and are born again believers. It is problem time to find a smaller Evangelical or Baptist or non denominational church. That seperate themselves from all this chaos. They are the true protestants that love scripture. Love Jesus and love people so much that they tell them Jesus died for them. Praying for you guyd

Mainline Denominations: “man our numbers have really suffered these last years… I’m sure a split will help that”

Division is from the Evil One We need The Church to be one again we are all the Bride of Christ. ❤

I am a member of PCUSA. I love my church and the people of my church.

Wonder how this is gonna affect Redeemed Zoomer’s Reconquista

Goodness gracious.......the church is falling and falling fast. Liberalism is spreading like cancer. Grieved my spirit to watch this video. 😔

Thanks for the information.

thank you for the correction

So all discrimination is bad? Is it not right to discriminate against a 5year old who wants to deliver a sermon and prevent them from doing so? What about someone whose theological position is in direct contrast with scripture or the church’s doctrines? The Church belongs to Christ - man has no authority to change it so that it opposes Christ. A church that opposes Christ is not a Christian church.

Lord, have mercy.

This is how it pans out. They charge things to allow contentious things with opt outs for those who disagree, then down the line they make it compulsory. Not just in churches but everywhere.

I saw a meme on Facebook, posted by someone I know who is a convert from Catholic to Episcopal: "We all make errors in our theology: you and me both. So my recommendation is to err on the side of love." Said person believes in celebrating and accepting everyone, which seems to be the norm in the Episcopal church today. Where did God go?

Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 1 Cor 6:9,10

When the lady at the end says that it isn't about belief, she let the cat out of the bag

I was American Baptist in Southern California, and was part of the switch to Transformation Ministries in 2006. Our church was biblical, as we're the others in our region, which was why we left ABCUSA.

This is what ultimately becomes of Protestantism: endless splitting up. When you split from the Church that Jesus and the Disciples founded to follow the teachings of "reformers" 1,500 years later, things are not going to go well.

Welcome to the PCA! We’ve been expecting you.

While the proposed changes do not mandate intolerance toward conservatives, I can't see any other way they can be interpreted and implemented.

I was brought up Presbyterian and was a member of the local church for 20years. Over that time, things were slowing changing for the Presbytery was leaning way too far left. This I supposed was due to the influx of woke leftist who wanted it their way. It got to a point where Biblical principles went by the wayside. I’am most happy to say that I left the church and am now a member of a Pentecostal Holiness church and have been for the past 14 years. Hallelujah!

The fact that it already says a person can be in Fellowship regardless of theological conviction is a serious red flag.

PCUSA is now “sola self.” “Sola sese” or “sola ego” I’m not sure the right Latin.

Nice reconquista you got there, bro.

Any church wedded to this world will be widowed by it in the next

All these words amounts to not having any confidence that the Word of God is indeed the Word of God and supersedes man's preferences and affirmations.

17:04 At risk of sounding like the stereotypical Catholic mocking stereotypical Protestants… what is the point of being in a church that says “you can believe what you want?” EDIT: Just to be 110% clear, I’m calling out the official statement being quoted at that time stamp. This is not me just picking on Protestants in general. Thats what Knights of Columbus meetings are for. ;)

The shocking thing is that you all were surprised by this. You really should not have stayed in the first place. Doing so, was to be at odds with your conscience and your Lord.

"non-'discrimination' " policy. 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less. ' '

I appreciate this guy presenting the thinking of both sides.

I’m a former PCUSA member. I left because the toleration of sinfulness morphed into promotion of sinfulness, starting with the promotion of gay marriage, clearly a violation of the Bible. It seems that repentance of sin is no longer a thing in the PCUSA.

At this point, this channel does sounds like a Catholic or Orthodox advertising campaign.

The foolishness of staying in a compromised denomination in order to "maintain unity' or "be a conservative voice" continues to be shown.

So much 😵‍💫 Thank God for the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church! ☦️

REDEEMED ZOOMER: "And I took that personally."

Why don’t Christians just read their bibles? Scripture could not be more clear on this topic as it describes the behavior in detail

Woah those first 3 photos of churches that you had were all from my town! Bethlehem, PA. They were all separate Lutheran Churches that merged into one new one.

Excellent summary of what is going on in the Presbyterian churches. Have they ever taken up a proposal to ditch the name Presbyterian as few know what it means anyway.

So PCUSA has lost the plot too . God does not make up His mind via a " spectrum " of considerations. He's pretty black and white on what He determines right or wrong . Society changes. He doesn't . I'm thankful for His way . Peace

Typical, when in the minority those who hate the Word of God cry "victim" but once in the majority then scream "bigot."

A definitive Magisterium with a visible headship is sure looking good right about now.

Protestant seems like an inappropriate word to describe someone in disagreement with Catholicism. While they are in disagreement with Catholicism, they seem to be in disagreement with what is sin. Maybe they should be called Hedonist.

None of the denominations or people mentioned in this video are Christian. I wish people would stop acting as if you can’t believe whatever you want and still get to be apart of the faith.

I'm curious what they think they are "progressing" to? Sodom and Gomorrah?

"... not about believe, it's about behavior". PCUSA expects people to behave differently from their believes?

I wish some in the Catholic Church could see how perilously close we are coming to the mainline Protestants and the consequences of doing so. Being "inclusive and affirming" implies denial of the inerrancy of scripture. Once you deny the inerrancy of scripture, it is a race to the bottom.

As is so often the case, the chant "We can disagree but still be in the same denomination" works only when certain people are in the minority, but the minute they ascend into the majority the chant switches to "Shut the hell up or get out." This is the great myth of "liberalism"...(so called "liberals") are supposedly "open minded" (as opposed to their "dogmatic" opponents) until THEY are in a position of power. Then, the second "diversity" no longer works for them, they become even more dogmatic than their opponents.

To clarify, The Fellowship is generally a group of PC-USA churches unable to leave the PC-USA as the PC-USA or Presbytery owns the church property. The congregations that left for ECO or another Reformed denomination either owned their own property (rare, especially in the north), or were able to break a trust that held the property (as my congregation did), or reached some sort of financial settlement with PC-USA.

Scripture is absolutely clear.

I thank God every day for my Roman Catholic faith.