Hip Hop = Graffiti, DJing, Breakdancing, Rap Rap is one element of Hip Hop and NOT the entire culture. The Hip Hop culture existed years before rappers came out. It was actually the last element.

Well stated, and completely wrong. Hip-Hop WAS a movement started by people who wanted to take the gang mentality and turn it into something positive. I am talking about Afrikka Bambaata and the Zulu Nation, who were indeed gang members who would settle their differences with shows and breakdancing and "who rocked the house" instead of knives and guns. Yes, there were still knives and guns, but a lot less than there were when street kids had no outlet for their rage. Your mistake is that you're confusing RAP with HIP-HOP. Rap is one part of Hip-Hip, but it's a culture, a mentality, and as KRS one put it, a movement. Rap is an expression of this mentality. That's why folks say today's RAP isn't Hip Hop, because the mentality of the youth today is different than it was in the 80s and 90s.

"Still rocks stages like no other" *shows a clip where the crowd is stood completely still*

I'd take Lord Jamar's definition: real HipHop is what you listen to with a mean face.

I respect your opinion but I prefer rapping over mumbling

im a spiritual lyrical miracle individual

I like “fake” hip hop but “real” hip hop is a million times better

Real hip hop is like a good meal. Mumble rap is like junk food.

Hip is the knowledge hop is the movement!

‘Fake’ or ‘real’ I don’t know. But for me? A rapper that can pronounce every words clearly, great flows impressed me greatly. But if I have to click on ‘caption’ button just to understand the lyrics? I’ll pass

imo 90s hiphop or the so called "GOLDEN ERA" is the true and real hip hop.

The problem with this argument is that he's conflating Rap and Hip Hop. Rapping is one facet of Hip Hop music and culture. KRS is a rapper, he speaks complex, intelligent, and socially conscious rhymes over a Hip Hop beat, so he makes Hip Hop music. Schoolly D and other crowd-moving MC's and Future and Migos (as he's comparing them) are also making Hip Hop music, but they're not making dense Rap music per se. Both sides of the spectrum are Hip Hop, and the great thing about music and culture is its meaning and impact are subjective. So some may prefer lyrical, social activism based rapping in their Hip Hop, others may just want party tracks and seek to be mindlessly entertained. KRS' definition of Hip Hop is accurate, and the way he disagrees made no sense because he literally described "hip" as "knowing what's good" ... how is that any different from being conscious or having consciousness as KRS puts it? Perhaps being conscious about different things, but being "hip" means being hip and we all know what that means at this point lol Honestly, as much as I enjoy and appreciate this channel, this argument didn't really need to be had. The real argument is good vs. bad Hip Hop, which is of course, just, like, your opinion, man.

How is Migos original when all they did was bite Bone Thugs flow over pop trap beats with less than pedestrian lyricism.

Idk about u but I find cardi b & migos unbearable Just trash

migos, young thug, lil uzi and future arent "fake" hip hop artists. they're the new age trap artists. they shouldn't be compared to old boom bap style hip hop artists. no matter how much i hate them, they do their music well and make crowds bop. the real hip hop is to be alert, to be cool, to be in fashion, to be anti normal, and most importantly to be everything people *dont* want from you. respect where respect is due. these artists are good in their own category.

/ rap is something you do. Hip Hop is something you live! /-KRS-1

Personally, I fell in love with hip hop for the way the lyrics could affect my mood and stick with me, to use as a tool for growth. I love where we’re at with production, It just seems like that’s all there is to rap anymore. I just wish more artists gave me a reason to respect and like their music

man, i get what you're saying my issue with it isn't if it's real or fake hiphop my issue is that it's just not good music, everyone in mainstream hiphop nowadays seems to have the same stupid ass triplet flow over a shitty ass trap beat I hate it lmao all of these artists are doing it and they're lyrics are so bad too

I think you hit it on the head when you said, old-heads of which i’m one, born in (73’). We feel the nostalgia for 80’s and 90’s Hip-Hop no doubt. Also Das EFX style and lyrical cadence was fresh and influential. And Having the backing of EPMD gave them Instant respect for their 92’ debut release. I was 19 at the time and loving it.

I'm 16 so I don't have the nostalgia effect. I still think DAS EFX is real HipHop and Migos isn't!

Think about songs like Gucci Gang by Lil Pump which was one of the shortest songs in history to reach the Hot 100. He says the same phrase 50+ times in a two minute song which means like half of the song he's saying the same exact thing. How is this comparable to the early hip hop era? It is not the same. This song has no substance. I think one of the differences between old and new era hip hop was that it was much easier to identify an artist from their originality. Like if BIg L came out with a new song that you never heard you would still know it was him. These days a new mumble rap song could be 1 of any 60,000 "rappers" that have similar beats, cadences, and auto tune.

I don't see Migos on the wall behind you brother!

I grew up on heavy metal. Its literally the same idea. Everybody has their preferred sub genre. Thrash metal is Real metal. Nu metal is fake metal. Just like with metal, I've grown to appreciate all different styles of hip hop. Everybody's creating art based on their own experiences and their influences. I'm along for the ride enjoying the great pallet of music out there to vibe to. Cheers

Been a DJ since 1989 & never said "this is not music" until Migos dropped. Now, every other head is knockin tripples, mumblin & lookin like Rick James. Every set I pull old school tracks in & never lose the vibe. This Versace (Migos) vibe is virtually un-dancable. Perhaps I am just getting old...

You're only talking about lyrics but completely ignoring that there has to be a constant flow in the rapping to take you from beginning to end. Everybody these days is so stagnant and sound like a car constantly breaking down as it's driving. Snoop Dogg explained this.

Hip Hop started as an easy party thing and evolved, lyrics evolved, topics evolved and it became this phenomenon because of that because of innovation! The problem with this mumbling stuff is its a step backwards and that is not a good thing! People think that innovation is a natural process but its not, if we don't step up and improve all the time we devolve. I give you an example: "The Egyptians knew how to build pyramids and they did so 2500 years ago but today we do not know how they did it, because we forgot!" There are many more examples like this and there is a reason the term "The forgotten art" exists. I know I'm just a white boy but this music literally saved my life and means a lot to me. There are still a lot of good rappers out there making awesome music but this mumble stuff is taking a lot of spotlight away from them and that's kinda sad to me!

You can't mumble every words and called it Rap, that's not the point of Rap.

If Murs doesn’t know the difference between these I lost faith

its the lyrics man, the lyrics are missing! its watered down now!! they need lyrics!!!!!!!!!!

Still don't know wtf Future is saying

I totally agree! I've always been telling hip hop heads this. Nice to hear someone bring it to point. Thx

I can hear "Make money money", i dont understand a single word the second guy said.

The breakdown is good but how about it's the fact that you hear this shit everyday. You're not saying that in the 90's to early 2000's that all types of Hip Hop got radio play and yet in still everybody sounded different. Now you want to compare Future and the Migo's to Das Efx at least Das Efx had more content than both Future and Migo's. The worst thing about this is that you don't even talk about lyricism ain't that Hip Hop? I rather find underground artist that don't get any shine but still put out quality music. Get it UNDERGROUND where real music lives not this bullshit you say compares to old school Das Efx and not somebody like Rakim and other MC's that empowered the Hip Hop culture with Knowledge. What about the LYRICS Murs?

I AM 54 years old I can say they was good hip hop back in the day and there was bad hip hop back in the DAY and and there is good hip hop today and there is bad hip hop today nothing changes fyi I grew up with schooly d. in philly he is the god father of gangster rap...

What I consider real hip hop is what speaks to me. I listen to 2Pac, Busta Rhymes, Migos, Outcast, YG and Ice Cube. All different but all speak their truth

Your videos are always so measured, and you give lots of context, really appreciate it, thank you

Snoop said it best, most rappers today use the same "huh nuh nuh, huh nuh nuh, huh nuh nuh" cadence which is seen throughout most songs nowadays, and if you bit off another mc's style back in the day it was bad news for you because that's something you just didn't do and you were ORIGINAL

Did you even listen to that new Wu Tang Clan ft Redman - People Say joint it's 2017 but they still create that 90s Hip-Hop sound.

You forgot the thing that back in the days, the beats were way too good than beats from actual rap

This video made me subscribe to your channel. Great stuff! I'm proud to say i learnt something from you and apparently your video motivated me to create more and embrace the hip hop culture more.

Hip Hop was a cultural moment that consisted or more then just the MC. It was the art, through dance, painting, instruments and lyrics.

ppl are really upset that mainstream hip hop sound has become repetitive and manufactured. Not to mention that rap ability, entertaining flows and witty lyrics have become non-existent. I personally just hate that mainstream Hip Hop feels so soul-less nowadays.

I used to always be one of those people who called new rap fake rap. Even tho I'm only 20, I started with old school rap and some current but not much. This video definitely helped me understand the culture a lot more! I think I'm gonna start looking at things differently from now on.

Thank you! Finally someone who knows hip hip is hip hop, no matter what type.

All that glitters isn't gold, just as all that raps isn't Hip Hop. Rap is just one element of Hip Hop culture that has become popularized, commercialized and, in a way, turned into a culture of it's own. I think it would be best if we differentiated Rap culture from Hip Hop culture. They are related but not the same. A person can master the art of rap but that doesn't mean that they are Hip Hop. Just as a person can master the art of traditional Chinese cuisine, for example, but that doesn't mean that they are part of the Chinese culture. This is the basis of cultural appropriation, when people take an aspect of the culture, often changing it to suit their agenda thus straying from the original intent of the element, and use it for their own benefit without actually being part of that culture or being part of the culture but not giving back to it in any way, or taking more from it then they actually give back which I believe is the case with most big commercial rappers. It takes waaaay more than just being able to rap to be part of Hip Hop culture, and this doesn't only apply to white rappers. Hip Hop is a culture based on merit, it's all about showing and proving, regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, etc.. You have to earn your stripes in the culture of Hip Hop no matter who you are, and earning your stripes was never, and will never be about who has the most money or sells the most records. People think that the most popular rappers are the truest representation of Hip Hop culture and that's one of the biggest problems we face when it comes to the perception of the culture. The culture is so much BIGGER that just rap, it's best represented in the streets on an every day basis. There are real Hip Hop heads that most people never heard of that have done far more for the culture than some of these "legendary" rappers that everyone thinks are the truest representation of the culture. From my perspective, some of the biggest culture vultures are some of the rappers that many consider legends. Many people believe that the rap "legends" contribution to Hip Hop culture is the impact they've had on making one element of the culture, rap, a part of worldwide pop culture, but one could argue that that has actually been a detriment to the culture. Regardless, giving back to the culture involves much more than just popularizing the genre of rap. I could go on and on but I'll save it for when MURS invites me on the show :) Peace, love and Hip Hop forever!

Comparing “they want efx” to that Migos track tho?! Smh

2nd video ive seen of you and I like your honest, non biast breakdowns. Subscribed.

Yo Murs this video was dope. That chant vs chorus comparison was spot on.

I won't dispute if Migos and Future are "real" Hip Hop. I don't know that there needs to be a distinction. They're Hip Hop. I just don't register them as quality. You are very correct that Hip Hop is many things beyond just lyricism. One thing I've gotten from Hip Hop is the celebration of inclusion. All can be a part of it. The second part that comes with it, though, is competition. Perhaps Migos and Future have something going in that realm, too, for the album sales are certainly there. But, at the same time, the fine dining restaurant in the heart of the city is never intimidated by McDonald's "Billions and Billions Served" reminder. Quantity doesn't equate to quality. So, I could care less as to how much they sell. It's all about substance, and there just isn't much there with Migos or Future. To put it in context, I think for me (and thus, it's debatable) the line between a quality artist and those who aren't, is that you hear that quality artist, and you're a bit envious of something they came up with. You're impressed. They wrote something you don't think you could have written. They string words together you never thought to put together yourself. You kick yourself for how good they did it. For how hard they hit those bars. The intricacy of what they've done both inspires you, and makes you wonder just how they were able to do it. Krs-ONE has done that for me many times. RZA has constantly done that for me. Eminem, Biggy, Tupac, Redman, the list goes on. Migos and Future have never done this for me. I've never heard a song of theirs and thought, "Man, how did they write that? That's so amazing!" Never. Their songs, specifically the rhyme scheme (or lack there of) isn't bad...it's just boring. If it sounds like the lyrics could have been written in one pass on an afternoon, I'm not likely to be impressed, and at the same time, I just described how their songs sound to me. Still, I respect your work on the topic and the argument you made. It's good food for thought that many should consider. Rather than saying they aren't Hip Hop, back packers should focus more on why they are Hip Hop, just not quality Hip Hop. There's certainly no shortage of reasons for that argument. (One last thing...As far as the auto-tune goes, I can't agree with you that it's just a "tool". It's beyond that. MC's have a specific voice. A specific tone. Something that is signature to their work. I suppose it's an argument that Future now has a specific voice because of his constant use of auto-tune, but it's just not the same. We went from a mentality of "keep it real" to "auto-tune the be-jeezus out of everything". It's in the realm of photoshop images, sitcom laugh tracks, etc. If you were to write a song about driving in your Benz, but you actually own a clunker, or if you rap about time in the pen, when you have never even had a misdemeanor, you're fake. When you mask your voice to be in tune because you actually can't carry one in the first place, that's not as fake, but it's certainly approaching it.)

Repeating Versace and Gucci seems more like an ad than parodying an ad jingle in a song.

I was a kid when hip hop became a thing. I've seen it change over the years. Really, it's no different than rock music. People who grew up with the classic rock groups look at groups like My Chemical Romance and cringe. Hip hop fans are no different, they see the evolution as a bad thing, and think (rightly or wrongly, it's a matter of opinion) that there's a loss of talent and what once made hip hop great. People have a great attachment to memories and nostalgia, so they are resistant to change. I'm no different. I still bang out the Beastie Boys and Tribe Called Quest whenever I'm in my car. I don't like new hip hop for the most part. I don't like the sound, I find the rappers lack any feeling or emotion in their delivery, and I think that they all sound the same. Pretty much all things that my parents said about hip hop when they would try to listen to what I listened to. I do think that a lot of rappers these days don't follow the history of hip hop and it's evolution the way that fans and artists in the rock genre do. If you ask a younger fan of rock music about classic acts like The Stones, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Eagles, etc. I believe you're quite likely to find that they know about them, have listened to them, and probably do still listen to them... In hip hop, a fan might know of KRS1, Tribe, the Beastie Boys, Run DMC, etc. but I don't think they'll be as likely to have actually heard them, or still actively listen to them. The respect for the past just doesn't seem to be there. You can even see it in the actual build of the tracks. Back in the 90's producers and beatmakers sampled some of the most unique sounds and bits from obscure songs and genres. They had all around music knowledge. I just don't hear that from most artists these days.

dope video i remember watching this for the first time a few years back i had to come back and watch it again

the thing about migos are slow flowers and they all sound the same songs

Talking about jewelry n wealth all day gets old and sleepy after a while...

Yo, that's awesome man, this is a great shoq

Great video man. Im more of a 90's boom bap myself, but I feel what youre saying. Still not feeling the new shit but props for keepin the game alive. Peace

I disagree with erthang this guy is spitting!

It may be all real hip-hop but not real rap which stands for rhythm and poetry and new hip hop seems like they focus exclusively on rhythm...ish.

Sometimes when people talk about hip hop, I can't tell what's words and what's an artist's name.

No one considers das lyrical from my generation, we made fun of them

Notice how he can't make any comparisons with the great rappers of 93'-03', lol. That was the golden age when rap hit its peak. If you wan't to listen to your mumble BS, so you can shake your ass and "move" to the beat go ahead man. Some of us prefer to listen to music that doesn't just make you "move" but also delivers a message and takes more of an effort to produce.

Wu tang 4ever....

I tapped on this and fkn Murs comes up? Fuck yeah

TRAP IS NOT HIPHOP TRAP IS TRAP

God this comment section is toxic

mumble rap aint hiphop,,its bad music made to make money fast...no way.... I rly hope the likes of Kendrick Lamar is the future and not these f'in mumblers

This series is incredible ♨️

I definitely fuqs with you! Your energy is innovative in nature! The time and dedication it took for you to pull this of is commendable! Simply put, thank you for real content! Don't stop! Asante sana My Brother.

If this many rappers sounded the same in my era, we never would have made it to 2017. Faaaaaaaaaaax.

If trap didn't live under the genre of HH, this wouldn't even need a debate. Give the synthetic mumble trap crap it's own genre and we can live happily ever after.

Holly shit this guy made such a high quality video for such a small youtuber

This video reminds me of Donald Fagen discussing Jazz in the Classic Albums: Aja documentary. He talks about TV show themes, calls 'm fake jazz. Then he goes on to say he loves Jazz. And Fake Jazz. And Fake Fake Jazz. Donald Fagen is the man. He went completely meta in that clip. The question is what makes art. If the artist says they're making hip-hop, is that hip-hop, or does it take an audience to recognize the art-form as such in order for it to be that art-form? You could go out and read Kandinsky's "Concerning the spiritual in art" as a primer for this debate. :) That said, I like the dude doing this breakdown. He's wonderfully nuanced and has perspective in spades. Good job.

I'll agree that this new era of hip hop is real hip hop. But I still can't deny that there's been some regression in lyrical ability. Especially when it comes to styles like trap music. I'll admit that I haven't listened to much trap so correct me if I'm wrong but I see an increase in the amount of ad-libs and simpler flows. To top that off there seems to be a decrease in diverse subject matter. I have yet to hear lil Yachty or Migos rap about anything other than money, women, and drugs. And while those things are fine to rap about, and have been staple topics in hip hop for decades, they shouldn't be the ONLY things people rap about. It's songs like "I gave you Power" "Suicidal Thoughts" "The Blacker the Berry" and "Aquemini" that make hip hop my favorite genre.

What I just learned from this breakdown is that somewhere along way I turned into "Get off my lawn!" guy. I USED to be hip. 😭 Introspection is humbling.

some people needed this.

totally changed my perspective. love it

my opinion is that there have been real and fake Hip Hop back then and still exists today BUT the big difference is that the real rappers back then dominated the game where as today fake hip hop dominates and purposefully shadows real Hip Hop the truth of the matter boils down to corporatism, and there is a BIG BIG difference between fake hip hop and real Hip Hop but who is fake and who is real is the grand debate.

Its hiphop, but crappy hiphop

Your videos are Great man

Comparing das efx to migos? Starting to doubt you man..

U disagreed with KRS-One on the definition of Hip, but your definition is basically the same, just phrased differently n expanded a bit. As far as real vs fake, I've never considered any of it fake, I see rap as a part of hip-hop culture, but not all rap shd be labeled as hip-hop., just like not all DJ-ing is hip-hop, but turntablism n scratching are. There are plenty of songs with rapping in them and many rap songs that are not hip-hop by artist, by genre or by culture- some even before hip-hop existed. Ijs. I was raised in hip-hop culture, born in the 70s. I've been a hip-hop artist since I was 17, both amateur and professional. I've made songs I consider hip-hop (majority of my artwork) n I got other rap songs. My hip-hop songs are more cerebral n spiritual, my rap songs more in the mundane. I feel like if I'm not "hipping" my audience to anything of consequence, then it's just me rapping. Rap is the artform, hip-hop is the teaching, both are in the culture....in my humble opinion. I am very much of the KRS-One school of Hip-hop culture, and I think all these rappers spawned from hip-hop, so they must be part of it too...even if I despise it. 👍😉

This brotha very articulate but has missed the mark.

Appreciate the Q-Tip verse 👌🏽

I love all hip hop as simple as that . I may not like every artist but it's not based on the type of hip hop or what era they are from .. it's simply based on the quality of the music .💯

Mumble rap will always be trash!!!!

With all due respect Murs is talking garbage here.

I'm honestly on Murs side. I used to be one of those "real hip hop" backpackers, but then I realized that there's no point in focusing on music I don't like. I still don't like a lot of mainstream hip hop, but it's fine because there's a lot of other hip hop I do like. And it's great that there are so many different kinds of hip hop you can choose to listen to. So just choose what you like.

Great video. I’m a new subscriber and I already love the channel.

@Hip Hop DX My thoughts exactly sir. I'm a fan of both for different reasons. Of Course since I'm a little older I lean more towards the Old School side. But the new school brings it's own flavor to the culture.

I love Hip-Hop’s flexibility and diversity. The bevy of sounds, trends, mixes and samples makes our music the world’s most powerful to me. What I don’t love is thematic laziness. Sayin Versace a billion times and having the hundredth song produced where you talk about how cool you are is laziness.

You make great video's 👍👍👍

I agree with some of this vid and disagree with other parts, but the most important thing is that it reminded me that I haven't listened to Das EFX in forever

Migos took Lord infamous/three six style from the early 90s honestly

Is he really putting Das EFX up on a pedestal as if it's the best the "golden era" of hip hop has to offer? This is straight-up cherrypicking. He's comparing mediocre old school to the best the modern era has to offer. He compares a low-key hip hop show from the old school to the rowdiest modern show he could find. I just ended up IN A PIT at a KRS One show a couple of months ago, crowd going so nuts they trampled my sneakers. That's not happening at a Migos show.

Refreshing conversation.

He failed to mention the fact that artists like MC Hammer Lil Uzi vert the Migos have all at some point said they aren't rappers they are rockstars

How many new school rappers died trying to be something they really not, and how many old school rappers died for kicking real ,life lyrics. These new school artist aren't living the life they claim. Old school actually live the life they rap about. That's the difference between real Hiphop and fake Hiphop. I'm old school I was there from the beginning.

Even tho I love old school hip hop and dislike the new school, I still gotta admit that the mumble trap music is still hip hop. Hip hop just evolved really fast. Murs be speaking the truth

When you talked about the crowd at the Future show, thought of country music which is where I usually am, and how nowadays a bunch of kids from the city always trash guys like Florida Georgia Line etc., saying they aren't "authentic" while poor country people still love them, and they have really done a lot in epitomizing a certain style.

I have not smiled this hard at my phone in a long time. Thank you.