Real Or Fake JKD Certification

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Жыл бұрын

I just want the viewers to be aware that I am not challenging anyone or accusing anyone of false Certifications. Just questions and concerns.

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@RevInstone Жыл бұрын

If Dan wasn't legit Linda would have called him out and Brandon wouldn't have chosen him to be his Sifu.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

He's not. Linda cut ties with him, and Brandon never called him sifu. Do more research.

@axelstone3131 7 ай бұрын

Brandon didn’t know any different unfortunately. I’m sure he would have figured out what Bruce was really doing eventually

@dagaffer2269 6 ай бұрын

Dan Inosanto is one of the big gest frau dst ers in martial arts. His "as many arts as possible" (his words). Was designed to keep students coming in paying him money. Sc s ammer.

@tonyvalente 6 ай бұрын

Brandon was not a martial artist. He said he used it just so he could get in movies Dan’s school is a Actor studio.

@axelstone3131 6 ай бұрын

@@tonyvalente so you just “act” like you have skills? What a bunch of bullshit. 🤦‍♂️ So it’s not him doing the technique and showing the precision? He’s just “pretending” yeh.. that makes total sense doesn’t it. Considering that’s actually him doing it.

@problems8160 Жыл бұрын

Dan's cert in JKD has that stuff, it is digitally smeared in the video on purpose. Ted had shown his, years later, without any digital smear. Bruce had written certs either spelled out or numbered. Dan's name is not the same on each certificate either. One says Daniel, another said Danile A., and the JKD said Dan. Inosanto looks the same across the board, and the chop from SiJo Lee is the same for both certs (Ted and Dan). The only person who had that chop after SiJo died, was Linda. So there is no way that Dan could've faked it after SiJos death. Another point is none of the original students question Dan, at all, not even Ted did. Dan was also the first one awarded JKD certs. Dan was part of the Nucleus until legal troubles with the family in standardizing JKD (Bruce wanted it as a living and changing system as the person grew, not stagnant). All good points, but easily explained. To put matters simply as can be, Taky, James. and Jesse never questioned Dan's certifications when they were alive, so why would you? They all knew Bruce and weren't afraid to call people out.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

Im sure people did, they just didn't say it out loud like I did. Tell me something then, when was Inosanto certified in JKD. That's all I want to know?

@peter_aus9244 Жыл бұрын

@@thefightsystem according to this interview that Dan Inosanto gave: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pLVymdF6r7-nlWw.html he says at 1:43 that he was certified in JKD in February of 1967.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

@@peter_aus9244 watch my part 2 to this video

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

@@peter_aus9244 i got part 3 coming up for you. You made a good point.

@peter_aus9244 Жыл бұрын

@The Fight System thanks. I don’t claim to have all the answers, but the points you bring up are very interesting...

@dwightwoods5689 Жыл бұрын

I have an answer for you: Ink fades! I suggest you try to find the image on Page 41 of the July 1988 issue of Inside Kung Fu. There you can clearly see the faded ink!

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

thank you for your reply sifu Woods. yes ink does fade, but we have D in Dan that is different, the name not fully written out, we have Third spelled out in the ranks???

@skipskiperton4992 Жыл бұрын

If you can’t see it with your own eyes, and your own understanding, then no answer will ever satisfy you….especially if behind it all, you actually have an axe to grind

@WarriorEsoteric Жыл бұрын

I feel like Insonato should be the only guy speaking on Jeet Kune Do, or “teaching “ it, no one should be teaching it or handing out rankings honestly because Bruce never meant for Jeet Kune Do to be a style with rankings and certifications, it’s a philosophy, a concept on developing as a martial artist, not a style to be used as a business

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

lol, you just contradicted everything you said, that is exactly what Dan has done to the art.

@WarriorEsoteric Жыл бұрын

@@thefightsystem I didn’t contradict anything, he was Bruce’s right hand man and main training partner and a very accomplished martial artist in his own right and he definitely can be considered the foremost authority on Bruce Lee’s methods of training, and of course people around the planet love Bruce Lee so they will want first hand knowledge of his methods, that doesn’t mean I believe anybody should be operating Jeet Kune do schools and handing down rankings, I’m not saying that at all, doesn’t take away the fact that if you want to understand Bruce Lee’s training you would speak to Insonato, it’s that simple, what’s your problem? Your making a video questioning people’s credibility and offering nothing of substance

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

@@WarriorEsoteric speaking the truth. Not everyone can handle the truth.

@CBHDK59 9 ай бұрын

in the beginning jkd had a structure with a blueprint to follow and it has been taught for something like 55 years. with that said, it has its lineage, it is what it is, the damage is done.

@axelstone3131 2 ай бұрын

This is completely incorrect. If only one person should be allowed to teach JKD it’s Tommy Carruthers. Someone who has spent his life actually training like Bruce and following his method and principles. Have you ever once seen Dan doing fencing footwork? Interceptions? It’s known Bruce removed trapping from the curriculum in 1971 and has next to no wing chun in JKD by that point but Dan teaches JKD as a mixed salad of techniques from places Bruce clearly states wasn’t what JKD was about. It’s about training the most effective and direct “weapons” punches, kicks etc, than accumulating 100’s of different technique you will never use or take too long to pull off when the shit hits the fan. Evolving doesn’t mean “adding” that leads to further complexity, slower reaction times: “If you want to underhand Bruce Lee’s training you should to speak to Inosanto” No. You should look at Bruce’s notes, day-timers, the art of expressing the human body by John Little, where he talks in depth and shows you what Bruce was actually training day to day. It was things like hundreds of eye jabs, punches, kicks, etc. It wasn’t judo one day, karate the next, or wing chun on Tuesday for 4 hours and Muay Thai on Wednesday for 2 hours. That’s not how he trained. “The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers

@randykendrick6403 Жыл бұрын

A lot of s ok called jkd instructors want danny out the way cause as long as he alive they can't truly ever claim what was passed on to danny but that's ok

@thefightsystem 9 ай бұрын

no one really cares what Dan teaches anymore, cause what he teaches doesn't work. Even Bruce Lee didn't believe in Eastern art anymore, but Dan still teaches it. So...Good luck if you still training with Dan.

@terryvallerjkd Жыл бұрын

What a waste of 9 plus minutes. 😂

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Lol, not everyone can handle the truth.

@terryvallerjkd Жыл бұрын

It’s not truth, it’s bullshit

@billyjacc 6 ай бұрын

🙄...For who???

@axelstone3131 6 ай бұрын

@@thefightsystemyeh he’s a concepts guy.

@dagaffer2269 4 ай бұрын

@@thefightsystemDan Inosanto is one of the big gest frau dst ers in martial arts. His "as many arts as possible" (his words). Was designed to keep students coming in paying him money. Sc ammer.

@LAJKDOFFICIAL Жыл бұрын

I am a TWJKD line student from Mike Gittleson a long time student of Sifu Wong. SO many questions arise but these are answers only the dead can answer. Inosanto is still alive and will continue to be alive, he is the longest living first gen and has had success in reach and the world of concepts JKD. It will be tough to challenge the masses from the minority.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

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@mikepeterson1926 Жыл бұрын

If you know, you know. If you don't, you don't.

@nicholaspapadopoulos5542 Жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm from Tim Tackett's line Jeet Kune Do, aka "Concepts". And heard from Dan Inosanto in interview that he took his certifications privately. but as we know Ted Wong he was traveled back and forth to Hong Kong Kong and America, to train in private with his teacher (aka Bruce Lee). In an another interview of Chris Kent said that "Dan Inosanto's martial arts journey wasn't Bruce Lee's Jeet kune Do". Maybe I paraphrasing but the meaning is the same. Like any other martial art you learn techniques, sparring, physical education etc. but never study the roots. Bruce Lee was the root. Ted Wong knew the Chinese culture, he knew the ways of doing things in certain degree. Now! My piece of advice study/research, spar, fence and grapple ALOT. Make Ted Wong proud, like Bruce Lee was on him.

@asarheruamenra7227 Жыл бұрын

We have a Family Art. That's an American philosophy. Our Art is of a Chinese origin and we just document our people within our Family. We prove our art on the mat. Anyone can witness our legitimacy thru combat and by our knowledge.

@ninjafeet7915 11 ай бұрын

What is the book being shown in the video. Is it the new John little book Wrath of the Dragon about Bruce Lee's real fights

@thefightsystem 11 ай бұрын

martial way, and letters of the dragon.

@userplan83628 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the good clip. I learned a bit of TWJKD back in Korea then had to move to Calgary and there isn’t any TW ones in the city but Dan’s combined with many arts.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

yes, Concepts are everywhere, sadly. I'll be making more videos soon here. I'll also share how I use twjkd in my cage fights too. thank you for watching.

@userplan83628 Жыл бұрын

@@thefightsystem So true. Thanks for all your videos, I learned lots.

@josephbunone6126 5 ай бұрын

It’s all Bull, yes receiving a certification from Bruce Lee is very honorable however the future followed suit . After Dan started certifying hundreds of Jeet Kune do students became something of what I believe Bruce Lee would not wanted. It became a money maker business thing. I don’t think Linda would agree how Dan followed Bruce Lee’s legacy. What I personally believe is if you study and practice diligently, knowing that you worked hard, and acquired the knowledge then you don’t need the paper. Beginning a business,having a certificate given by Dan or Ted means the second Lineage handed you a piece of paper.

@jaimeflor4181 11 ай бұрын

Certifications change in design sometimes and it’s also possible that Bruce designed one, but had someone else design the other and just signed it. I have certificates for several things and they’ve also changed in design every once in awhile. I’m sure there’s a simple explanation as for the differences.

@thefightsystem 11 ай бұрын

Yes, but not handwriting, And dates

@SuperMaryu767 9 ай бұрын

Interesting vid, I have heard of this before about the certification and it’s inconsistency. I also been looking at what Bruce’s intention for his fighting approach and the first image in the vid is what I’m piecing together and that jkd is "efficient street fighting with everything goes" because you see this in the tao and the fighting method books which are techniques that would be effective on the street and banned or looked down upon in the ufc.

@thefightsystem 9 ай бұрын

oh absolutely, If you ever trained with Ted Wong you will understand it even more. so much behind just a punch and a kick that he teaches, sadly he no longer is here with us. But there are his students who still teach and share. If you want to learn more join us on FB at Bruce Lee's jkd fighting system group. or the fight system page. I also share on their as well.

@SuperMaryu767 9 ай бұрын

@@thefightsystem Thanks for the offer, what got me looking more into the real essence of jkd was Tommy carruthers lineage which comes from Ted Wong and Jesse glover.

@josephbunone6126 5 ай бұрын

The most qualified Jun fan Gung fu Martial artist and first was Taky Kimora. Look it up!

@SuperJuniorquintero 6 ай бұрын

Ted Wong was the top guy in the authentic teachings of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do. This is my school in the New York City area "New York Martial Arts Academy" and it's KZfaq channel: www.youtube.com/@NYMartialArtsAcademy. Dino Orfanos is the main instructor along his son James Orfanos. Dino is certified by both Sifu Ted Wong and Sifu Chris Kent (certified by Dan Inosanto).

@gunnerhiro394 Жыл бұрын

To me, there's so much contradictions by what Lee said and what practitioners say - like your truth is not my truth, it's self expression - so I don't have to go to a "certified" jkd school to practice jkd? - or do I have to know wing chun? - even Lamar Davis contradicts himself, saying it's NOT mma or take whatever u want and find your truth, but NEVER says what it is. I've studied jkd under Richard bustillo but never got certified cos I was never into that, just practiced - and I don't say I practice jkd - i say I practice my own system, what I think works, and constantly evolving.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

It falls on who you trained with in JKD. when I started reading the books and training with ted wong the books make sense and it works. I applied it in the cage. If you want to know and have your questions answered, find a student of ted wong's and train with them. You'll see the system work itself.

@elmastero1 Жыл бұрын

From what I remember, the Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute certificates were awarded to the instructors/students that trained at any of his 3 schools. The one in Seattle (Taky Kimura), Oakland (James Yimm Lee) and Los Angeles (Dan Inosanto). The Tao of Chinese Gung Fu & Jeet Kune Do certificates were awarded only to his private students. I know that Steve McQueen received a Tao of Chinse Gung Fu certificate. Perhaps his other celebrity students, like James Coburn and/or Stirling Silliphant, received one as well. I just assumed he taught them theatrical martial arts. Stuff that would look good on film. I assumed the Jeet Kune Do certificates were for those who weren't members of any of the 3 schools but were being a taught a similar curriculum. More in line to his art of Jeet Kune Do. That's why Ted Wong got one. I don't know anyone, besides Dan Inosanto, who has claimed to have received all three. It doesn't really make sense for anyone to have more than one. In any case, that was back in 1967. No one tested for their certificates. They just awarded them. Possibly based on training time and/or skill, more than anything else. But what's clear is that Bruce Lee chose to go all in, when it came to his acting career. So he closed the LA school. Taky was already teaching out of his store and James was already teaching out of his garage. The L.A school was the only commercial business he had at the time. And no more certificates were awarded by Bruce Lee.

@TWJKDPoland Жыл бұрын

Stirling Siliphant got rank 1 in Jeet Kune Do from Bruce Lee, also Peter Chin received rank 1 in Jeet Kune Do. In Tommy Gong's book Bruce Lee Evolution of Martial Artist there are pictures of Bruce Lee along with Ted Wong and Peter Chin. Also, on Inosanto Jun Fan Gung Fu certificate a square stamp is missing- on the left of certificate above the membership number (chinese characters) which are present on Kimura and James Yimm Lee's certificate. So not only JKD certificate but also Jun Fan Gung Fu certificate of Inosanto seems to be suspicious although in fact he was appointed to run the class in Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute in L.A by Bruce Lee and on Jun Fan Gung Fu certificates of such people like Steve Golden, Pete Jacobs, Bob Bremer, Richard Bustillo, Inosanto signed as Instructor and Bruce signed as President. While on Jeet Kune Do certificates Bruce Lee signed as Instructor like on Ted Wong's...not to mention it said that a person is personally taught by Bruce Lee while on Jun Fan GF certificates it was said that a person is promoted to a rank but not that a person is personally taught by Bruce Lee.

@albert20001000 Жыл бұрын

1971 Whe Bruce Lee Went Back To Hong Kong.

@albert20001000 Жыл бұрын

I Know Dan Inosanto Taught Ted Wong When Bruce Lee Was In Hong Kong In The Backyard Nobody Talks About That!

@sonngocnguyen3445 7 ай бұрын

THE NAME OF THE BOOK PLEASE?

@thefightsystem 7 ай бұрын

bruce lee Jeet Kune Do. Martial way. letters of the dragon.

@StEvUgnIn 11 ай бұрын

I really like the conclusion of the video: Dan recalls that both Tao of chinese Gung Fu and Bruce Lee's JKD certifications were awarded to people who trained privately with Bruce Lee. Dan Inosanto and Taky Kimura would not teach Jeet Kune Do. They taught Jun Fan Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do Concepts. Jeet Kune Do Concepts can be understood as one's expression of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do. It can applied to any martial arts. For Dan Inosanto, it involves most Filipino Martial Arts, Muay Thai, Boxing, etc. Taky Kimura never learned any martial arts before learning with Bruce Lee. He kept teaching the same curriculum he got from Bruce Lee from 1962 to 1971. What we call today Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do comprises Jun Fan Gung Fu and Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do but not the JKD Concepts. The JKD Concepts are actually Tao of Chinese Gung Fu as taught by Bruce Lee to the likes of Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis and Mike Stone. That's why Dan Inosanto cannot tell he teaches Jeet Kune Do (aka he teaches officially Jeet Kuen or The Intercepting Way). While Ted Wong held a second rank in Bruce Lee's JKD. Taky Kimura held a fifth rank in Jun Fan Gung Fu and is also qualified to teach Jeet Kune Do. His understanding of JKD Concepts was to pass Jun Fan Gung Fu, so that each student can develop their own Jeet Kune Do. Regarding the certificate date on the certificate of Dan Inosanto, I heard that Bruce Lee was actually in a rush when he gave these certificates to Dan. He probably printed the last one and completed it in a hurry. For Ted Wong, he mentionned that he wasn't giving such certificates often these days. Bruce Lee stopped believing in schools at that time.

@thefightsystem 10 ай бұрын

thank you for the feedback. That is interesting. Anything could have happened. But when you hear it from Ted saying concept jkd is not jkd. you really don't know what to think.

@StEvUgnIn 10 ай бұрын

@@thefightsystem Jeet Kune Do Concept is indeed not Jeet Kune Do. But, it’s the latest evolution of Jeet Kune Do from Jun Fan Gung Fu to a philosophy. Ted Wong never stated he taught Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do, he taught his own Jeet Kune Do which is TWJKD. I have no record of any individual who said that he teaches Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do.

@axelstone3131 7 ай бұрын

Taky never learnt JKD.

@StEvUgnIn 7 ай бұрын

@@axelstone3131 Of course, he did. Bruce would visit often his school particularly to see their mother in law who lives in Seattle. I attended a seminar given by his student. They teach the 5 ways of attack and the whole Jeet Kune Do curriculum.

@axelstone3131 7 ай бұрын

@@StEvUgnIn Taky NEVER knew JKD. He’s a Jun fan gung fu instructor. I don’t know where you are getting your information from but it’s not accurate. Ted Wong was Bruce’s last private student and spent more one on one time with him than anyone else. JKD as it evolved from 1967 became heavily fencing and boxing originated with little to no wing chun. Most of these guys who supposedly “teach” it are stuck in the past doing stuff Bruce himself stopped doing. He took chi sao and trapping out the curriculum in 1971. They are teaching an out dated curriculum and lack the insight to refine or underhand Bruce’s principles so that “add” martial arts in the hope is filling in the gaps in their lack of understanding the art. Taky didn’t teach fencing principles or JKD because he wasn’t ever taught lr certified in JKD. Most JKD people aren’t even teaching JKD. They are teaching some sort of kali mixed martial art thing and calling it’s JKD.

@DarkLight-Ascending 9 ай бұрын

Ever hear of 52 handblocks? It's an interesting style that compliments and overlaps jkd. Ona omi movement is a good channel.

@user-ig1rz5bd5i Жыл бұрын

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@skipskiperton4992 7 ай бұрын

I have to admit that I am surprised, that after 11 months, you still have this posted here…

@TWJKDPoland Жыл бұрын

Interesting video

@adrianking1332 9 ай бұрын

@PAUL_BAX3 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the excellent video and research.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

Thank you, their's part 2 and 3 also.

@leesiuleung1816 Жыл бұрын

😂

@Yodakaycool 5 ай бұрын

It could just be reproduction for the film crew. Laziness can happen. Idk. That is weird

@thefightsystem 5 ай бұрын

no that is the original. if there is a copy then now we know it's fake for sure.

@KubaSzI Жыл бұрын

Kooom

@sethmcdonald4 11 ай бұрын

Maybe Ted Wong got taught by one of Bruce's students and probably Dan Insanto is real because back then they didnt have a lot to go by where Ted Wongs is probably more accurate because Bruce Lee was a legend in his own way but why need proof of anything to prove something Bruce Lee woukd say why need black belt belts are a mean of just to hold your pants up but yes its good to have something to work for in a system I have done 2 different styles of Taekwondo I am a Black Belt In American Taekwondo and that have all Bruce Lees books and some the arts that he has done in the book if he really studied them like he said he did I am huge Bruce Lee fan not dissing him but his defeats are amazing on strength and martial arts

@gregorylatta8159 Жыл бұрын

What certificate did Bruce Lee have?

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

I honestly don't know what he had, or if he even had any.

@gregorylatta8159 Жыл бұрын

@@thefightsystem Don't think he did. He lived it and that is what people really wanted to learn.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

@@gregorylatta8159 so who do we learn from?

@gregorylatta8159 Жыл бұрын

@@thefightsystem Whoever you want to learn from that will help you get where you want go. I studied grappling and Chinese martial arts under professional instruction and like Bruce studied many books. I also joined an elite military unit. Today we also have KZfaq obviously. Determine what your goals are and go from there. Avoid any thing that seems like a cult.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

@@gregorylatta8159 agree.

@Tanjutsu4420 Жыл бұрын

the (real) is the fake...

@randykendrick6403 Жыл бұрын

Give him his flowers please if it wasn't for him jkd would be non-existent plus he was teaching to bruce students even when bruce was focusing on acting and deciding to close his schools he don't need to ride off of Bruce's cotails he was a blackbelt long before meeting bruce and got black belts in many other systems outside of bruce so in my opinion at 80 years of age and still receiving black belts come on he went beyond jkd while you guys stuck on something he did 50 years ago he evolved he's like I promoted that done did that already lol

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

Taking someone elses art to claim as his and lying about it for years so people can pay his lifestyle. I don't know...

@handsforwarrodneymorgan2616 11 ай бұрын

Talk about grasping at straws.

@DavidRodriguez-hx1jy Жыл бұрын

If you call Dan Inosantos, you can ask him, maybe he has the answer for you.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

Do you have his number? I would love to speak with him.

@drunkengaming5960 10 ай бұрын

Cause no body posses areal jkd until now i rebirth for this things i will restored it just give me a moment i will finish my seasonal work and restart again the real JKD

@joserosario5134 Жыл бұрын

Hi, firstly the red stamp on the bottom right corner of diploma is what counts when it comes to legitimacy in the Chinese, Japanese and Korean traditions. If the red stamp is the same, it doesn't matter the writing, as much Sijo Bruce loved America, he was Chinese. Secondly this type of questions should be asked in private specially when we have masters with double or triple the time of experience and not wasting time with such matters.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

Yes, from what I was told, Dan also had one of the stamps so he could stamp anybody's certifications without Bruce being there. So really the stamp doesn't mean anything anymore. Also, the name Master doesn't mean anything when you can't use your art to defend yourself.

@joserosario5134 Жыл бұрын

@@thefightsystem are you in the master's skin?

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

@@joserosario5134 I think even a real master would tell you he hasn't mastered anything, just still improving. I honestly don't even know what you mean by that question. If you're asking if I'm a master. No, I will rather be a student.

@joserosario5134 Жыл бұрын

@@thefightsystem read it again.

@randykendrick6403 Жыл бұрын

Stop nitpicking okay the man legit stop it!

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

No one is nitpicking, just speaking the truth, but some people can't handle the truth. No pun intended.

@randykendrick6403 Жыл бұрын

I think people get jealous and hateful cause danny had that relationship with Bruce. And schools want to repackage jkd there way and make money off of it when in reality jkd is not a style it's a concept

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

@randykendrick6403 hahahaha, yes I'm sure thats the reason.

@erikpaulson4929 4 ай бұрын

Are you really concerned about Sifu Dan's legitimacy over ted wongs?

@thefightsystem 4 ай бұрын

no. I leave that up to the viewers.

@borojkd8189 Жыл бұрын

Good job! 🔥👍

@shaunsnow192 22 күн бұрын

Here’s the thing I don’t understand about this whole ridiculous, and childish bickering over JKD, JKD lineage, “original JKD” and “JKD Concepts” bullshit that’s been going on since the 80’s. How can we have Sijo Bruce speaking out against dogmatic adherence to the way things used to be done, “Styles tends to not only separate man, you know because they have their own doctrines, and then the doctrine became the gospel truth. You know. That cannot change, you know.”, and then have this idea of “Original JKD is the real JKD because it’s exactly the techniques he taught!” as valid? I’m not even saying that “JKD Concepts” is what Sijo Bruce would have done or wanted, but he definitely would not have been on board with his curriculum from nearly 60 years ago being held up as the “right” or “only” way to do JKD. Personally the other thing I find interesting, is that the “OJKD” camp is always the one desperate to be seen as legitimate, and constantly trying to tear the “JKDC” side down. I don’t get it. I know human beings are inherently tribal, and othering is an evolutionary adaptation for survival, but this is ridiculous. In my opinion, and I am no expert, but Jun Fan Gung Fu is the physical techniques Sijo Bruce taught, and modified, and would have continued to modify, had he lived. Jeet Kune Do is his philosophical approach and expression of combat.

@kipclayton1875 11 ай бұрын

I will add that all the certificates that are shown in this video were filled out and signed by Bruce Lee. Meaning at some point in time… Bruce Lee himself awarded all the above.

@thefightsystem 11 ай бұрын

Not the Jeet Kune Do certification for Dan. It is a Notary embossing, but the certification is questionable.

@michaelperez4374 9 ай бұрын

@@thefightsystemand you know this how? Did you personally inspect them? Have them in your possession to look over? I highly doubt it. All you have is speculation which doesn’t make you right. Just makes you another KZfaqr trying to grab views. Those who know the truth don’t even have to question anything. This is all just nonsense.

@thefightsystem 9 ай бұрын

@michaelperez4374 you must be blind. You can't even accept the truth through what you see. Lol.

@romaissaroro5453 Жыл бұрын

Jun fan is instuted not art

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

not trying to insult any arts or anyone.

@DarkLight-Ascending 9 ай бұрын

My sifu did NOT like Danny Inosanto.

@tonyvalente 10 ай бұрын

Dan has all three certifications but, he was sued in court by Linda years ago and can no longer use the name. As Bruce told many, he just doesn't get it.

@regcatdog Жыл бұрын

go back to the old jkd brotherhood forum . they go all over this question .

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

yes, I had one viewer say the same thing.

@PAUL_BAX3 Жыл бұрын

@@thefightsystem - Paul Bax, here. Indeed, this subject is covered in depth.

@ChowYunFattty 2 ай бұрын

Keep in mind that towards the end of his life Bruce was doing prolific amounts of cocaine and experiencing all the behaviors of it. So the idea that he could have changed "3rd" to "third" and forgotten to sign a certificate would not be without doubt.

@leesiuleung1816 Жыл бұрын

How about “seminar”certified teachers, lots of these guys. Ask P. Bax. 🙄

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

i have tried to reach out to P. bax, on fb but unfortunately never got anything back.

@leesiuleung1816 Жыл бұрын

@@thefightsystem No surprise there. Bax and quite a few of his “JKD brothers” are well known for their dubious certificate earnings. But thats another story.

@thefightsystem Жыл бұрын

Interesting

@elmastero1 10 ай бұрын

Paul J Bax had one of the most popular JKD forums in the early 2000s. Originally titled the Paul Bax Show and later renamed the Jeet Kune Do Brotherhood forum. It promoted a lot of the Jun Fan Gung Fu / OJKD guys and was critical of the concepts approach. I didn't even know about OJKD vs JKDC until I became a regular on the forum. The information on the sight was eye opening, to say the least. Also, Jesse Glover and a few other original Bruce Lee students would post on the forum from timt to time. It was a great place but Facebook, and social media in general, killed the forum.

@leesiuleung1816 10 ай бұрын

@@elmastero1 and how is this relevant to the comment thread?🤔

@Danny-el7ok Жыл бұрын

Ted wong was honest

@adrianking1332 8 ай бұрын

I feel that JKD has become corporate and comercialised and cut and pasted and stylelised, with so many masters ,grand masters and sifus and of course experts who have never sparred or had a fight in their lives and just chasing glory by goal hanging around with the self made personality politics of JKD, waiting for that score of approval with name dropping ,having pod casts and doing videos of jkd just by talking, and making what bruce lee said over rated in the proccess. i have never had a jkd lesson, but i get what bruce lee was getting at in his philosephy and his teaching , i have done realistic and no nonsence styles over the years and wouldnt fight on the street as i would in the gym and i aint no expert. the only ones who knew bruce lee was those who trained with him and i guess alot of his teaching has got lost over the years and arguments i have seen which jkd is the best jkd concepts or theory.and feel that all this certicates have become bullshit at most.the real people who know what JKD is are the ones that was trained by bruce lee and they learned by doing and it isnt these clowns from evolution JKD. With alot of respect i think alot of hard styles can have alot going for them with a realistic and no nonsence approach to martial arts and a full combat sports also if you keep the product and change the rules an introduce ilegal moves with for example head buttts elbows and knees and arm bars chokes and holds amongst others, and dont fight on the streets as you would in a gym and then you could come out worse off. although i have found alot of instructors or teachers and people of styles dont see the difference between fantasy and reality,