Real Pilot Story: Trapped On Top

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Air Safety Institute

Air Safety Institute

8 жыл бұрын

Link to certificate and ASI transcript: bit.ly/RPSTrappedCert
Description: We tend to think of emergencies as one-at-a-time events, but as pilot Ken Lawson discovered, bad things sometimes come in pairs. Imagine yourself as a non-current instrument pilot dealing with an unexpected IFR descent-then add a failed engine to the mix. How would you cope? Listen as ATC mounts a heroic effort to get the pilot down safely.

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@steveo1kinevo
@steveo1kinevo 8 жыл бұрын
Love these videos! Pilots can never stop learning and these videos teach you a lot.
@crwdavis
@crwdavis 8 жыл бұрын
+steveo1kinevo Amen Brother.
@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248
@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248 8 жыл бұрын
+Chris Davis I'm not pilot. Just enjoy pilot vglogs (thanks Steveo) and these videos. As a laymen, I'm suprised you are allowed to become a pilot without being IFR trained.
@mikepaz4870
@mikepaz4870 8 жыл бұрын
I just discovered this you tube channel.....it is illustrative of why I am enamored of your Uber Professional Piloting by seeing you using this to keep you in a constant learning curve. Outstanding Steveo
@unplug7776
@unplug7776 8 жыл бұрын
Steveo whats up? Cool to see you watch other pilot videos. I think ive seen all of yours once or twice.
@andrewarato696
@andrewarato696 8 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more.
@cs512tr
@cs512tr 4 жыл бұрын
"i am ifr but i am not current" that straight up humble honesty would have contributed to him being alive today.
@Ryan_Thompson
@Ryan_Thompson 2 жыл бұрын
​@Julian Martov Only a small percentage of GA pilots (in the US at least) maintain IFR currency. He also took off with max fuel. Errors were definitely made that resulted in emergency fuel situation, but your knee-jerk reaction missed the point by a nautical mile. You're also calling someone's actions idiotic (and, weirdly, annoying) when you clearly don't understand the subject yourself.
@jqb101
@jqb101 10 ай бұрын
He lived man. He's literally telling his story...
@enshk79
@enshk79 8 ай бұрын
That’s exactly the kind of pilot I can trust
@Yosetime
@Yosetime 7 ай бұрын
@@jqb101 I think he meant to say that the honesty helped him survive. I had to read it twice.
@Arkeze
@Arkeze 5 жыл бұрын
Being ATC, all the hectic days and stressful situations are worth that one day where a pilot tells you that you saved his life.
@patfarra627
@patfarra627 4 жыл бұрын
Cody Columbia From a retired airline guy I have appreciated act many a time. True professionals . Except for a couple
@AstoundingAmelia
@AstoundingAmelia 4 жыл бұрын
@David Miorgan proof?
@marcbolland6992
@marcbolland6992 4 жыл бұрын
@David Miorgan what right do you have to say this ??
@matteframe
@matteframe 3 жыл бұрын
I fly 747 jumbo airbus.. so i appreciate EVERYTHING you do. My hero.
@Ya-average-11B
@Ya-average-11B 3 жыл бұрын
That's cool bro and I'll bet. Question tho what kind of training did you need to work as an atc? Did you do special schooling on your own or did the company pay for it? Just curious is all.
@RobotLegJim
@RobotLegJim 5 жыл бұрын
Keeping secrets from the tower is more deadly than keeping them from your doctor. Never, EVER minimize your situation with the ground!
@Elukka
@Elukka 3 жыл бұрын
It's interestingly similar psychologically. Rationally you know there is absolutely no reason to do so, but people just naturally do it. Humans are prone to hiding weaknesses and mistakes due to some inborn sense that they might get in trouble for it. Animals often hide illnesses and mistakes, too.
@Yosetime
@Yosetime 7 ай бұрын
@@Elukka I agree. It could also be due to his age. Not because he's old but because of the way he was brought up. Things were very different when he was younger. You had to rely on yourself a whole lot more. You were expected to be independent and mistakes were not tolerated in the same way they are now. That could have played a part in his decision to keep going despite the fact that he knew he was running out of time.
@postolio1
@postolio1 8 жыл бұрын
I love when he said "we want to teach you how to do it right, not punish you when you do it wrong." Great video
@dburton7929
@dburton7929 5 жыл бұрын
I'm an agent of the Federal government and I'm here to help...... How could this possibly go wrong ?#%π&?
@BangStickky
@BangStickky 5 жыл бұрын
Now, about that $10,000 fine because "we helped!"
@charlesshipman446
@charlesshipman446 5 жыл бұрын
Of course they want to get you down safe...... how else can they fine you $20,000, impound an aircraft you hired and have loads of lovely helpful government agents waiting to drag you off at gunpoint. ...
@oneworld9071
@oneworld9071 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine THAT becoming viral in Corporate America.
@PickUps
@PickUps 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlesshipman446 elaborate... got examples
@sarowie
@sarowie 7 жыл бұрын
This is so far the best episode of your series I have seen. The pilot beeing alive and the controllers having a face makes this episode so strong.
@Mike-01234
@Mike-01234 7 жыл бұрын
Nice to see a happy ending we usually never hear about.
@KarlH1980
@KarlH1980 7 жыл бұрын
Never hear about doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I can't recall the name of the data set, but statistically speaking for every incident where there is a severe consequence, the scenario has played out about 29,000 times without the severe consequence. With the energies involved that may be much less in aviation but the number is still surprisingly high. When I was doing my initial consideration of flight training and looking at fatal incidents in the NTSB database I realized how easy it must be to A: get into bad weather and B: run out of fuel. Those are the most common reasons why GA pilots die. I'm a pretty non-detail oriented person in day-to-day life. That's because I can't moderate my OCD nature. It's either on or off. When it comes to pre-flight prep including the stuff mentioned above, I don't try to moderate. I'm all on. I don't want to be in that group that gets into bad weather to find out how unlucky I might be:)
@Mike-01234
@Mike-01234 6 жыл бұрын
I was kind of referring to news reporting of General Aviation crashes they never report the ones that turn out like this did. In this situation the pilot waited until he was almost out of fuel before asking ATC for help. He did look check the weather but lot of times weather changes quickly as they point out in the video once he could not get down to his alternate airport he should have contacted ATC for help.
@stewiegriffin6503
@stewiegriffin6503 5 жыл бұрын
Thailand has many happy endings.
@suzyrottencrotch5132
@suzyrottencrotch5132 4 жыл бұрын
I would imagine most of us make mistakes were never going to tell anyone else about
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
@@stewiegriffin6503 hell ya they do
@ndsmudlogger4061
@ndsmudlogger4061 5 жыл бұрын
I like the pilot’s old timey use of the word “why”.
@JimmysTractor
@JimmysTractor 5 жыл бұрын
The key is to put your ego aside and ask for help.
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
easy to say, hard to do. we all think that ATC is out to get you
@b.h.6599
@b.h.6599 4 жыл бұрын
this applies to most things in life
@dougcrane956
@dougcrane956 4 жыл бұрын
ATC is ego driven! At times they will route you all around in their airspace, when asking for a transition! Just to encourage you to fly around their airspace instead of transitioning. Very very common at PDX. With attitude!
@JimmysTractor
@JimmysTractor 4 жыл бұрын
@@CedarMountainsnow That is what they don't get- how close they are to dying- if they understood that, It would be easy to even beg for help. It is for that same reason that people die in Cirrus aircraft when a simple pull on the emergency bale to release the rocket propelled parachute would have saved their life. Dying from not pulling the bale is a true tragedy.
@mhern57
@mhern57 3 жыл бұрын
@@CedarMountainsnow Unless it's driving sleepy of course. Then the death option is okay.
@peachtrees27
@peachtrees27 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent video thank you. The last comment by the pilot might be the most important: If your alternate is unavailable, MAKE THE CALL...
@keywestjj
@keywestjj 7 жыл бұрын
Whoa! So reminds me of my scariest flying "incident"! I was a newly minted, cocky Instrument Rated pilot flying my [certified and properly equipped] Cherokee 140(!?!) in actual IMC .... but had never encountered ICE! While I'm reporting this to ATC my engine quit - I'd run my first tank dry - BUT had plenty in the other - never declared an emergency but learned a LOT from that escapade! Ken's saving grace was admitting what he'd got himself into and asking for help. Those controllers deserve kudos ad awards!
@pip12111
@pip12111 5 жыл бұрын
Tip. Keep your instrument rating current
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
why ? he did just fine. And what would that have done for this flight
@anonincognito617
@anonincognito617 4 жыл бұрын
Then he could have landed at his destination with no problems.
@FlightSimulatorXATC
@FlightSimulatorXATC 4 жыл бұрын
Especially in the PNW. It’s practically a requirement.
@tylisirn
@tylisirn 4 жыл бұрын
@@ctsteve1967 Request an IFR plan through the clouds instead of looking for a VFR hole.
@smaze1782
@smaze1782 3 жыл бұрын
He could’ve just shot an approach and just worried about the implications later. We’re talking about your life here.
@Bankable2790
@Bankable2790 2 жыл бұрын
The pilot seems like such a nice, gentle, and humble man.
@vgrof2315
@vgrof2315 7 ай бұрын
Way too nice, way too gentle, way too humble to be a serious pilot. I hope he has given up flying.
@lordofthewoods
@lordofthewoods 4 жыл бұрын
11:02 To hell with the runway if the barrier looks iffy... line up on the grass! : )
@clydesdale1981
@clydesdale1981 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, but by the time he noticed it a turn may have been equally problematic.
@jamesidso1748
@jamesidso1748 7 жыл бұрын
I'm with Andrew Roberts. As soon as the pilot sensed trouble, he could have gotten vectors into Moses Lake, and likely landed with at least 45 minutes of fuel. No real sweat. His non-currency would have been easier to handle in a low traffic area with huge runways and fuel to burn. When the weather in this area fails to perform as forecast, look out. Make alternate plans immediately and be prepared to use them.
@arthurmontana8791
@arthurmontana8791 2 жыл бұрын
"As soon as the pilot sensed trouble"? That's always a very vague barometer. What's worse; it's always a far easier determination to make after the fact.
@HiTechRob
@HiTechRob 5 жыл бұрын
I am so thankful for these videos. Pilots need to spend time with ATC at a local controlled airport. They are great people who CARE about helping pilots and keeping pilots safe. I truly believe these videos help me be a better student of flying.
@JWH-01
@JWH-01 4 жыл бұрын
ATC is like any other big group of people. You have some great people and some real jerks. I know dozens of them personally.
@slyfox1983
@slyfox1983 4 жыл бұрын
That’s an awesome idea!!!! So they can see from the other side. Like a police ride along.
@slyfox1983
@slyfox1983 4 жыл бұрын
John Hempel what makes them jerks? I’m learning......
@oneworld9071
@oneworld9071 5 жыл бұрын
11:10 "all of a sudden the engine came back to life....." unimaginable moment.
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
good thing the prop was still spinning
@pvt_picklestomp3014
@pvt_picklestomp3014 4 жыл бұрын
From my understanding a spinning prop has more drag than a stationary one, but the way everyone talks about planes makes me think the benefit is null..
@davidmarkersnr.1888
@davidmarkersnr.1888 4 жыл бұрын
Just hope he wasn't praying at that moment, could have given him false confidence for the next time he was in a fix. lol!
@williamfaulkner1959
@williamfaulkner1959 4 жыл бұрын
@@davidmarkersnr.1888 I would have been praying all the way down!
@Mikinct
@Mikinct 3 жыл бұрын
@@pvt_picklestomp3014 I’ve read they always have your “feather” the prop once engine quits in a twin engine setup. Exactly- less drag.
@Cherokee140Driver
@Cherokee140Driver 8 жыл бұрын
I remember reading about this incident after it occurred. Seeing this video is a stark reminder of what can go wrong and that ATC is not the bad guy. Any type of en-route communication with ATC could have prevented this by letting the pilot know of conditions at his destination before he arrived there. I initially trained under an instructor who avoided towers, didn't use flight following and wouldn't make calls unless it was absolutely needed. I was young and naive and didn't know any better. He would always tell me they didn't need to know where he was or what he was doing. On my first long distance night cross country flight, I didn't use Flight Following or any other radio communication except for my departure and arrival CTAFs. I was scared to death for most of that because I was in the abyss of the dark for hours. Thankfully the flight was uneventful. I blamed my poor radio instruction and woke up after that flight. I now use Flight Following for all of my VFR flights beyond the local hamburger joint. Don't be afraid to contact ATC!
@PilotPlater
@PilotPlater 8 жыл бұрын
+Cherokee140Driver Absolutely the case. Just because you don't have to contact doesn't mean you shouldn't. Sometime around my initial flight training or perhaps just after I was licenced, I went on a flight where I just wanted to go really high. I left the small control zone of the airport I took off from Waterloo (CYKF) to the north and continued to climb to 9500'. There was some scattered clouds in the vicinity of the airport, and the wind was really strong coming from the northwest. I didn't have a gps but I knew from the VOR (when they still had one at ykf) that I was still northwest of the airport even though the clouds were obstructing the airport itself. The wind ended up blowing me over the airport, but I didn't think of it as a problem because the control zone tops out at 4000'. I saw two or three big jets pass right in front of me on their way into Toronto and figured I ought to start down. It was neat but also nerve-wracking because I wasn't talking to anybody. When I got down and clear the tower for Waterloo said "Now you didn't do anything 'wrong', but Toronto was calling us asking if we were talking to you. It might be a good idea next time to call them on <frequency> so they can advise you and know your intentions". Kind of like in your case, a bit of a wakeup call that the controllers just want to help so there's no smashing of airplanes into eachother, and I was sitting right on their flight path into Toronto which made the controllers (and me) nervous.
@daytonasixty-eight1354
@daytonasixty-eight1354 5 жыл бұрын
Old CFI probably got his certificate in the 1970s. I ran into a guy like that recently at an airport cafe. The old fuck walked right up to me and my buddies to talk shit to us for using an iPad with foreflight. "Back in my day we didn't need them fancy iPads. We flew like real pilots" is what he said to us. I replied back to him "Ya that's why I'm ATP flying King Air MedEvac and your circling around this shit hole with your thumb up your ass not making traffic calls. Thank you for the advice sir."
@sludge4125
@sludge4125 2 жыл бұрын
@@daytonasixty-eight1354 I am retired, but I won’t hang with grumpy old men who whine that all of today’s music stinks, cars were better 40 years ago, and, by golly, men were just tougher back then. (Every time my grandkids get into a vehicle, I am extremely grateful that vehicles are so much safer now. Some old guys actually complain that today’s vehicles crumble easily. Heck, that’s what makes them safer.) I don’t have any patience for the no new technology guys. If that’s their choice, no problem, but don’t discourage others from using it. (Does anyone use film in their camera anymore? There were a lot of old heads that wouldn’t switch to digital.)
@kentd4762
@kentd4762 Жыл бұрын
I sure hope that never-communicate CFI's stupid attitude didn't lead to any of his former students paying with their lives...
@Yosetime
@Yosetime 7 ай бұрын
They let you do that? Don't they need to know where you are so you don't crash into someone else? How can that be possible?
@boeingpilot7002
@boeingpilot7002 2 жыл бұрын
Good thing he was in a Mooney -- one of the best gliders, ever! Smooth, laminar-flow wing. That last little boost of thrust over the blast fence was a blessing, too. Great job by the controllers to help him avoid fixation, panic and a futile attempt to extend the glide to an unreachable airport.
@alansimpson596
@alansimpson596 8 жыл бұрын
I think everyone in this situation came out of it extremely well. We all make errors and the pilot did a good job.
@dudley5658
@dudley5658 4 жыл бұрын
I became very concerned about fuel on my last flight to Seattle. I must have called the tower 100 times via phone as I had no working radio. I still remember I was in seat 39C.
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 4 жыл бұрын
wtf
@markhayes789
@markhayes789 2 жыл бұрын
Lololol
@scoots8519
@scoots8519 4 жыл бұрын
It's almost always foggy and overcast in the area he planned to land. I am glad he made it.
@RadioMarkCroom
@RadioMarkCroom 7 жыл бұрын
So great to watch one of these videos with a happy ending. Too many of them are just tragic and post-mortem rather than having a survivor who gets to tell the story. Kudos to the controllers who kept their heads and to the pilot to listened at the last minute and got his focus off the wrong runway. So many lessons here, thanks to ASI for making this available.
@billwood4182
@billwood4182 5 жыл бұрын
A great wake up call! Thank god for our professional aviation controllers and our airspace system.
@andersep68
@andersep68 8 жыл бұрын
Great lessons learned. One thing though: Maybe stop calling it Air Traffic Control - rename it to Air Traffic Services. Perhaps that would make even more pilots call out sooner before the situation gets out of hands. I got lost on my skill test and immediately called the local Approach control. They helped me out and got me back on track. I still passed my skill test because I did the right things... Fly the aircraft. Realize I was lost. Circled a small city - radioed in and got help. Just my 5-cents :)
@2Brento
@2Brento 8 жыл бұрын
That's an excellent idea. I have flown in the LA area as a VFR pilot for over twenty years, and I am fortunate to have Socal, LA CTR, and SBA Approach as resources with all my flights.
@HackhappyOrg
@HackhappyOrg 7 жыл бұрын
I have to say that is a damn good idea!
@Touay.
@Touay. 6 жыл бұрын
Air Traffic Assistance?
@mytech6779
@mytech6779 6 жыл бұрын
No, traffic control is the primary function and makes up the vast majority of what they do; preventing mid air collisions, runway collisions, and wake turbulence issues. Other assistance and services are incidental to that. Guiding an emergency landing still satisfies the traffic control aspect, basically the pilot with an emergency is saying "I gotta land, can't stop me." and ATC redirects traffic around that inflexible flight path.
@williamfahle151
@williamfahle151 5 жыл бұрын
My wife and I have recently gotten back into flying after a long hiatus. So long that we have never flown together. She was hanging around a bunch of rebel types when she flew and they never wanted to talk to approach. She also never did much cross country because it's kind of daunting to do that when you don't talk to anyone. I flew out of a class D parked right under a class B, so I can do radio. I always used flight following. I can't wait to go with her and show her how great the system is when you work with it.
@3204clivesinclair
@3204clivesinclair 7 жыл бұрын
I once flew a rental from UK (south coast) to France in VFR conditions. Weather was checked prior to departure and as we only expected to stay in France for lunch we didn't expected any weather changes. We stayed a couple of hours longer and half way across the channel, the cloud base lowered to 600ft above the water. We have about 16 miles to run to our departure/destination (Bournemouth). Our Arrow 2 was IR, but I was not. We contacted approach and they suggested SVFR. We landed safely with a cloud base of 280ft ag. ATC were superb, talking to us all the time. Spookily we broke out of cloud over a cemetery!
@toonybrain
@toonybrain 4 жыл бұрын
Clive Sinclair Happy you are here to write about it!
@aharvey4990
@aharvey4990 7 жыл бұрын
Had a simulated one of these from on top of cloud, getting a GCA from the tower. (Simulated in the sense that it simulated me becoming "stuck on top". I was intentionally on top of the clouds with my instructor.) A Ground Controlled Approach is where the controller, after the request for the GCA, tells you not to acknowledge anything, just to follow instructions. I had an instructor with me as I was only a VFR pilot u/t .... The tower only had me on radar in plan view, they did not have my altitude. We entered the cloud on the heading given and I was told (for example, I can't remember the exact figures) I should be at 4600 feet ..... was (for example) at 4400 so added some power and raised the nose slightly to slow the descent, maintaining same airspeed. Told to turn left onto 095 (for example) .... turned onto 095 .... told I should be at 3900 feet. I was at 4000. reduced power slightly and lowered nose to maintain same airspeed. Told to turn right onto 098 degrees and should be at 3200 feet. I was at 3350 so again, power off slightly and lowered nose slightly .... and so on with varying heading and height adjustments ... eventually was told I was on correct heading for Runway ... at 1800 feet came out of cloud and could see the runway ahead. Very tiring but very good practice. The key things I was taught were to maintain constant airspeed throughout and to just follow instructions from the tower. It works. Not sure if things are the same nowadays, this was in 1975. And ... I wasn't out of fuel!! I'd recommend at least some extra instrument flying tuition / practice for all new pilots and for them being aware that a GCA is available from most towers. As said, a draining experience but such a great feeling to break cloud and see that runway! *Just found out that this procedure is called a surveillance approach in the US.*
@rigidfinger
@rigidfinger 6 жыл бұрын
Dropping the gear when that far out was a near fatal mistake.
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine not raising the gear when prompted just because you didn't want to jerk it around. That's while you can clearly see that you might not be able to clear an obstacle.
@nofurtherwest3474
@nofurtherwest3474 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbuckers If he had put the gear down right after passing the thrust barrier, would he have enough time to put down the gear? How long does that take?
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 4 жыл бұрын
@@nofurtherwest3474 He wouldn't, however he could've saved upwards of 50 feet of altitude by retracting it immediately and lowering it once necessary.
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
@@nofurtherwest3474 a belly landing is better that being dead. just saying
@daffidavit
@daffidavit 4 жыл бұрын
@@ctsteve1967 Yes, your point was by leaving the gear up, the glide would have been farther and a belly up landing on the rwy, is better than a gear down landing into a barrier. The other option was to land on the side of the runway if the gear was down.
@jazzdad24
@jazzdad24 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone stayed calm and professional. Great job! Give a shout out to your guardian angel!
@michelgardes
@michelgardes 6 жыл бұрын
I knew it would be a good video from the very beginning as the pilot was still there to narrate his own story. :) The controllers did a very good job, that's awesome!
@tomservo5347
@tomservo5347 5 жыл бұрын
That engine coming back to life right in front of the thrust barrier was an act of God in cooperation with the design of the fuel line....whew!!!
@gxlbiscuit
@gxlbiscuit 4 жыл бұрын
or maybe just physics and a pickup tube with fuel in a tank in an airplane with a nose up attitude.
@CrayCraigie
@CrayCraigie 3 ай бұрын
Got to give the pilot his props-he wasn’t too shy about saying he’s in trouble.
@ronaldsimmons9517
@ronaldsimmons9517 4 жыл бұрын
Great job ATC. Aviate, navigate, and communicate!
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
not in this case. control the airplane, communicate , then just fly where they point you
@JMaxwellE
@JMaxwellE 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not a pilot, just a casual fan of aviation and technical knowledge. This channel is better about transferring information about different issues and details in a way that a layman like myself can comprehend than any other I've seen. Hats off to AOPA for producing these videos! Also a very big thanks to the ATCs in the video for their exemplary work!
@AN-jz3px
@AN-jz3px 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing emergency management and calm attitude by this pilot.
@Vincentvuoto
@Vincentvuoto 8 жыл бұрын
Love learning from these safety videos. Please keep them coming, as they're very useful for every level of aviator.
@ktsenya2
@ktsenya2 5 жыл бұрын
You know, the location of the fuel pickup line should be noted in the POM. That bit could save a pilots life
@dustoff85
@dustoff85 5 жыл бұрын
Great story!! I am a retired US Army Senior Warrant Officer and Blackhawk Pilot. I was an Instructor pilot and IFE ( Instrument Flight Examiner) I too have had a couple of scary situations IFR couple with fuel concerns & couple with moderate to severe icing conditions so I watched this video with great concern. My hat is off to everyone involved great job outstanding outcome God Bless Everyone
@Roadglide911
@Roadglide911 5 жыл бұрын
Dustoff85 remember the program high school to flight school back in the 80’s? I chickened out. Worst mistake of my life.
@VitaliyKrivoruk
@VitaliyKrivoruk 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Always good to remember to take weather seriously.
@edwinevans1481
@edwinevans1481 6 жыл бұрын
Just a note to say how marvelous strobe approach systems are. Know if any are in your area and if so, try a night instrument approach with them. I once put a F-4 fighter down without ever seeing a runway edge light. Flew the strobes for centerline, radar altimeter for altitude, at 30' on the radar saw a green glow (end of runway), cut power and chased the centerline lights. The runway was 250' wide and from the centerline I could not see a runway edge light. Foggy, foggy night.
@WendelltheSongwriter
@WendelltheSongwriter 6 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best videos I've ever seen. Exactly what pilots want to see/hear/know. Well, very well done.
@180mph9
@180mph9 2 жыл бұрын
What an amazing save by some very sharp controllers, to understand that his vacuum system is inop with an engine out, to remind the pilot of the landing gear, what great team work, controllers like this should be teaching a course that relates to incidents like this at the FAA Academy. As a pilot, I am proud to be able to work with such professionals. Fantastic outcome.
@brucegrunewald8423
@brucegrunewald8423 5 ай бұрын
I think the fact that both ATC and the pilot remained calm was a big contributor to Ken's survival. Those controllers were outstanding.
@megd7593
@megd7593 5 жыл бұрын
So glad he’s safe, and what fantastic controllers!
@chrismoody1342
@chrismoody1342 5 жыл бұрын
As the son of a Mooney pilot I’m glad my father was not ever caught in a bad situation. He flew weekly on trips of 500-600Nm as part of his business covering a 5 State area. Most worrisome trip was across western Kansas heading to Wichita. He planned his fuel, but consumption per mile was elevated as he encountered unexpected head head winds reducing his ground speed and Nm per gallon. He prudently found an alternative county airport straight away to take on fuel. He also been wise to not get caught trying to takeoff at high density altitudes or hot deserts. Thanks Pop for all the family memories and a safe lifetime of flying.
@scottbostic6247
@scottbostic6247 2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome to have controllers who actually care. Great job to everyone, including the pilot.
@cscinc
@cscinc 6 жыл бұрын
I have seen this more times than I care to remember in my 27 years of ATC. The pilot waiting until he is out of fuel and options before contacting ATC. Once you are out of fuel, your options are really limited, you are going down. Confess early and give us a chance to help you. The controller did a great job getting him on the ground except for one thing. If you are low on fuel, the last thing you want to do is descend too soon. Altitude is your friend. That goes for most emergencies unless if you are on fire. Stay as high as possible till you get to the point where you can glide to the airport if the engine quits. If the pilot was VFR only or in this case non-current IFR, line him up on a long final before he gets into the clouds. Having him turn while descending in the clouds is a recipe for losing control of the airplane. On another note, he kept saying that the airports that he was trying to get to were showing "green" which I'm assuming meant that they were showing as VFR on his handheld GPS. Just because an airport might be VFR doesn't mean that there are no clouds over it. You can have a solid overcast at 1500 and still be VFR. If your AWOS is also transmitting METAR data, just because it says that the sky is clear, doesn't mean that there are no clouds. AWOS data is a one-minute weather picture exactly overhead of the sensor. It is averaged over a 30 minute period with the more current weather having more weight. If you want a better picture of what the weather is doing to try looking at the METARs for airports that on the windward side of your airport. You may be able to get an idea of what's coming.
@martymcmannis9121
@martymcmannis9121 4 жыл бұрын
So you would have a better job in the same situation...oh that's right, you never would have been in that situation. When you see it all the time, it's apparent that choices diminish quickly. Easy to get in trouble. "I would never have this issue" is probably what they thought also
@edmund6392
@edmund6392 4 жыл бұрын
I am not a pilot...but wouldn’t it make sense to just make all pilots to be ifr certified
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
@The Stupid will Inherit the Earth correct, his only sin was fuel Management
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
@@edmund6392 as long as you pay for it but in this case it did not matter
@dougcrane956
@dougcrane956 4 жыл бұрын
@@edmund6392 No!
@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28
@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28 11 ай бұрын
That .6 gallon made the difference in this situation. Awesome. I've watched this multiple times and it's nerve-wracking even knowing the outcome. Awesome ATC and pilot teamwork.
@mwilhelmindetroit
@mwilhelmindetroit 6 жыл бұрын
About the most suspenseful ga story I've heard in a long time. Kudos to the controllers.
@lawrencemiller3829
@lawrencemiller3829 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. You are very fortunate. The engine re-starting just to clear the hurdle on landing looks timed, glad it happened.
@Broker205
@Broker205 4 жыл бұрын
So incredibly happy that this experienced pilot, and experienced controllers were able to get him down safely. Great job all around, and great lessons learned.
@UnusualAttitudes
@UnusualAttitudes 4 жыл бұрын
WOW- This is a SPECTACULAR series. Thanks so much for producing these & helping us be better, safer pilots!
@pursueadventure
@pursueadventure 3 жыл бұрын
These videos are GOLD!! Thank you for making them available. To the pilot who allowed this video to be published and to share his experience, thank you! There is no telling the number lives that have been saved from these videos. I'll be the first to admit I am very hesitant to call up ATC, this video has broken down some of those barriers.
@Triple070007
@Triple070007 5 жыл бұрын
Man those thrust barriers should be moved or down when not in use.. you never know when someone might need to land short, and imagine if he got all that way and disintegrated against a stupid fence
@nofurtherwest3474
@nofurtherwest3474 4 жыл бұрын
Would he have had enough time to put down the landing gear right after passing the thrust barrier?
@cspteja
@cspteja 4 жыл бұрын
@@nofurtherwest3474 His gear was already down before he crossed the thrust barrier but it's a good question if it wasn't already down and he didn't get the extra boost of throttle on the final there.
@keim3548
@keim3548 4 жыл бұрын
The blast fence is only about 8 ft high and only 20 ft away from the road. If he can't clear that he probably wouldn't clear car traffic on the road either, but he could always choose to go left or right of the barrier and land on the grass parallel to the runway
@benedikt5974
@benedikt5974 8 жыл бұрын
Very impressive ATC work!
@FarikoUnited1
@FarikoUnited1 5 жыл бұрын
This video showed up in my recommendations and found it interesting that it was in my area. So glad to see these types of things when things do have a happy end to them but lessons can still be learned for those involved but also others to not be afraid to ask for assistance. The line that sticks out from it all with the pilot concerned to contact ATC over fear of getting in trouble is with the atc responder saying "we want to teach you how to do it right not punish you if you do it wrong"
@Video-tipsTv
@Video-tipsTv 7 жыл бұрын
I am so happy for you! and for the great job of ATC's
@erichert1001
@erichert1001 5 жыл бұрын
"I'll just go over and slide in between the (imagined) gaps between the mountains and the clouds." What the...?!? Good thing he realized he didn't have the fuel to actually try that.
@xiaoyaoxu134
@xiaoyaoxu134 3 жыл бұрын
Flashbacks on my hiking trips submerged in mountainous fog/cloud, visibility is like 10 trees away.
@at1357
@at1357 8 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Thanks to all involved for sharing the story. Glad the pilot lived to tell the tale.
@stevenwg2360
@stevenwg2360 5 жыл бұрын
These videos are excellent. Thank you for this resource!
@gregsanders7610
@gregsanders7610 3 жыл бұрын
Stories and safety shares like this will save lives, thank you for putting these together!
@rohanbaty3155
@rohanbaty3155 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I ve had 2 engine failures and I learnt a,few,things along the way. 1 is, never put ur gear down until u r sure ur gonna make ur landing destination.
@natural-born_pilot
@natural-born_pilot 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you this was an excellent video that brought several important instructional points out to learn from. Glad pilot landed safely and wow thank God for the ATC they saved the pilots life.
@fun2drive107
@fun2drive107 7 жыл бұрын
Great outcome. ATC is supposed to help you so don't be afraid to talk to them vs possibly dying...
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
ATC will report you for this, Then you deal with the FAA
@texasl-19birddogjimmiles34
@texasl-19birddogjimmiles34 4 жыл бұрын
I love watching these videos. They are a tremendous learning too. Thanks AOPA !!!
@MyTube4Utoo
@MyTube4Utoo 4 жыл бұрын
So happy seeing a great outcome. Fantastic work by all involved.
@lancelot1953
@lancelot1953 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you to the Air Safety Institute for producing these outstanding if not lifesaving presentations. There is a lot of experience being shared for the profit of the any flying communities. I appreciate the cooperation and support of all the Air Traffic Controllers making these airspace safe and protecting pilots sometimes from ourselves (pilot's self). My life was saved once by ATC (Houston ARTCC saved me from ditching in the Gulf following an emergency in South Texas years ago). You guys/girls have all my gratitude and admiration, Ciao, L
@FarkyDave
@FarkyDave 8 жыл бұрын
What a great story and really nice video. Thanks for posting.
@user-pj4ow2vi7y
@user-pj4ow2vi7y Жыл бұрын
This is a great video and love how the emphasis was placed on the ATC being a pilots friend someone to assist and help them out of trouble sticky situations!
@thegteam4349
@thegteam4349 4 жыл бұрын
From watching these videos I’ve learned the guys who make it, like right here, just ask for assistance and tell it like it is. Seems too many pilots don’t dare admit things are really bad until it’s too late and even then they may not. This video was outstanding! Thank you.
@Ryan-sw4xy
@Ryan-sw4xy 8 жыл бұрын
This pilot did a good job, minus some questionable decisions. 1. Why did he lower the gear so early? I would have left it up for as long as possible for best gliding range. 2. Why did he embark on such a long VFR flight without being on flight following? 3. Personally, I would have planned a fuel stop at the midway point of that flight if only 20 mins past the alternate puts me at fuel critical. 4. When flying into an area of known cloud coverage like the Pacific Northwest, not being IFR current, the pilot should have done better flight planning with greater margins for error/weather. Otherwise he did a great job remaining calm and getting down safely.
@Ryan-sw4xy
@Ryan-sw4xy 8 жыл бұрын
+Charlee C good pilots can make bad decisions. The way he handled it saved his life.
@daffidavit
@daffidavit 7 жыл бұрын
I agree. I fly a 1964 M20C with the Johnson bar. I've done hours of work on emergency procedures on this airplane testing when is the best time the drop the landing gear. This airplane has the capability to drop the gear in about 2 seconds, if done right. My experience is not to drop the gear until you are on short final. Even dropping the gear on a wide base will cause so much drag that you may not be able to make the runway. My advice to anybody with a Mooney with a manual Johnson bar is the wait until the last moment before you drop the gear and flaps. Unless the runway is like Andover Aeroflex in NJ which we call the "aircraft carrier". It is a 2000 ft strip with lakes on both ends. It's a great place to test your skills. I've heard that Harrison Ford took lessons with his Beaver at Andover for a movie he made years ago where he got stranded on an island with "I forget her name". DPA.
@wellcraft2136
@wellcraft2136 6 жыл бұрын
Actually the ATC guys saved his life; they knew he was fixated on the Boeing Field and mentally blinded to Renton, confused from dealing with the cover, no fuel, windmilling prop, at 1600 FT, and 4M to Renton. I don't know the glide ratio for his airplane but at 1600 feet to say the ground comes up fast is an understatement. The ATC guys took charge and "shook" him back to reality. It was a miracle he landed at all.
@ChadDidNothingWrong
@ChadDidNothingWrong 5 жыл бұрын
@@wellcraft2136 They were certainly on top of the situation in that regard-predicting the tunnel vision. That foresight alone deserved a medal!
@williamfahle151
@williamfahle151 5 жыл бұрын
He might not have been thinking about the manual extend option on the gear (in case of electrical failure). Making it down on partial panel when not current is a miracle. I guarantee when that guy lost his engine the first time, he went into full adrenaline mode. That dose makes it very difficult to think rationally. You're in pure fight or flight mode, and the flight part is becoming undoable. ATC really did a good job of anticipating the pilot's needs. ATC should be mandated to go up in light planes every now and then, and pilots should have to visit a tower during a storm every now and then. It's enlightening to know what they can see and not see.
@mikemichaels1875
@mikemichaels1875 5 жыл бұрын
Great job by the ATC! Teamwork and problem solving at its best.
@benstanden8784
@benstanden8784 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff this. It's great to get the perspective from the controllers, as a student pilot myself I always feel a little daunted when on the comms amongst commercial pilots, but it's good to know that if anything does go wrong it's ALWAYS the right call to tell ATC immediately!
@BradAcquilin
@BradAcquilin 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I learned so much from these videos and I'm not a pilot. I also have a much better understanding and respect for all ATC.
@bigal1863
@bigal1863 10 ай бұрын
Not all heroes wear capes, some wear headsets. Well done ATC and pilot.
@rondj1965
@rondj1965 5 жыл бұрын
This is a great one. Cool, level headed thinking without panic. Awesome ending.
@arthurmontana8791
@arthurmontana8791 3 жыл бұрын
I have no right to feel proud of the ATC who saved this nice man's life. Yet, after watching the incredible true story twice, I cannot escape feeling proud of these great men: Josh Haviland, Ken Greenwood, Ryan Herrick, their supervisor (who got Josh involved) and all the ATC that day. May their incredible professionalism and care be rewarded again and again and again. I loved how Josh recognized that the pilot, Jim Lawson, was too task saturated to set his VOR scope. So Josh WISELY just encouraged Jim to forget the VOR and just keep a straight and level course. That was brilliant! Jim Lawson was in a very tough spot. He did very well too!
@Dan-qp1el
@Dan-qp1el 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this.
@ClaudioPedrazzi
@ClaudioPedrazzi 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! please keep on the good work! these videos are helpful and very instructive.
@bonachma1
@bonachma1 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you made it down and landed in one piece! Kudos to all you guys for working together and saving one pilot’s life !
@jennydiazvigneault5548
@jennydiazvigneault5548 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience.
@rickvia8435
@rickvia8435 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding work all the way around.
@ukrainetrain84
@ukrainetrain84 8 жыл бұрын
The engine came back to life right before the barrier...wow.
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
just like a hallmark movie
@thatguyalex2835
@thatguyalex2835 2 жыл бұрын
As a Christian, I feel like God worked through the ATC controllers, but especially worked on helping the engine start. But also, the engineering of the aircraft prevented the crash, cos the fuel flowed into the pumps. :)
@erolsevim1894
@erolsevim1894 3 жыл бұрын
What a great story. Well done to ATC and the Pilot for sharing his story, honestly.
@SeriusSim
@SeriusSim 6 жыл бұрын
It's great to see a good ending for once, this was a literal rollercoaster, thanks.
@alvarvillalongamarch3894
@alvarvillalongamarch3894 Жыл бұрын
Boy,those controllers are worth their weight in gold.They are the difference between living or dying when it comes to information that can help you take the right decision.Flying vmc in marginal conditions in a small aircraft is a mighty task.The pilot owes them a bier!
@ebirinkugba6178
@ebirinkugba6178 7 жыл бұрын
Asf makes great lesson videos! Thank you so much. You're a regular part of my curriculum for students.
@arod1pilot
@arod1pilot 8 жыл бұрын
Good job ATC. Great pilot too keeping his calm... Good job all of you...
@MrJdsenior
@MrJdsenior 5 жыл бұрын
When it rains ... Way to stay ON the problem, and all that good help on the ground, this one turned out GREAT.
@petertimowreef9085
@petertimowreef9085 6 жыл бұрын
Quite the eventful christmas! Very glad you made it sir.
@lupuscanis7523
@lupuscanis7523 5 жыл бұрын
Very good video! Thank you for sharing. Here in Germany we’ve got the FIS, (Flight Information Service) and the first times flying I was to shy to contact them. Afraid to miss the correct aviation phrases, afraid to be punished for mistakes. But I learned they are really „friends“ of the pilots and now I never fly without contact if I leave the surrounding of my airport.
@wiley0714
@wiley0714 7 жыл бұрын
Remember what he said in the beginning, he was bringing Christmas presents as suggested, by his wife. The number one lesson to be learned here. Never, Ever, listen to your wife!!!
@homefront3162
@homefront3162 6 жыл бұрын
RainbowSixThree Enlightened NO SHIT
@scottpeters9911
@scottpeters9911 6 жыл бұрын
RainbowSixThree Enlightened careful & selective hearing!
@GlennWilder
@GlennWilder 5 жыл бұрын
RainbowSixThree Enlightened This is not a good idea, it will surely lead to disaster, believe me. Do not try this at home.
@brandtbecker1810
@brandtbecker1810 5 жыл бұрын
ROFL!!!
@DustinDawind
@DustinDawind 5 жыл бұрын
I mean he does own a plane. He can't have listened to her too much.
@jaybee6701
@jaybee6701 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is awesome, and love this story.
@romantic340
@romantic340 5 жыл бұрын
Its nice when these videos end on a positive note.
@juandacosta7715
@juandacosta7715 8 жыл бұрын
Very good video! and an amazing lesson to learn!! I have to say always when I fly to an alternate I ask atc for latest weather information before flying there and finding out that it is IFR ....
@steveallen5496
@steveallen5496 8 жыл бұрын
Wow Can I call this a miracle? That''s what I think. The engine started just enough to clear the barrier! I was VFR with some IFR instruction, but was always avoiding the class B because I didn't want to talk to them. Great story, thanks.
@tracyrreed
@tracyrreed 8 жыл бұрын
+Steve Allen Not a miracle. Physics. The fuel flowed away from the fuel pickup. When he leveled out it flowed back. No need to invoke magic.
@steveallen5496
@steveallen5496 8 жыл бұрын
OK Tracy I understood that. Only a fool would not be thankful for that last cup of fuel, physics notwithstanding. BTW, magic (and luck) are found in the practice of witchcraft, not in the realm of the Almighty. Next time you get in a tight situation you might try asking satan for a little help :)
@tracyrreed
@tracyrreed 8 жыл бұрын
There is no evidence to suggest that Satan exists so I will not be asking him for help. I prefer to have a good understanding how my aircraft systems work (like where the fuel pickup is located) and take as much advantage of things which are real such that they can really help me as possible. 
@Ellexis
@Ellexis 8 жыл бұрын
+Tracy Reed Based on Holy Scripture (aka The Holy Bible) there is all kinds of evidence that Satan exist. Born again Christians know this, and I invite you to accept what Jesus (the Christ) did on Calvary to redeem the world from eternal damnation, that was actually only meant for Satan and the demons. As a Christian, I would never call on Satan to help; he is the father of lies, a deceiver and he has no truth in him. Call on Jesus, the Messiah! And regarding our aircraft, it is wise and prudent to understand them inside and out. For most reading this, in less than 100 years from now, our lives here on Earth will be over, and regardless of which side each of us are on, each of us will understand this fully.
@tracyrreed
@tracyrreed 8 жыл бұрын
Ellexis The Bible is the claim, not the evidence. I prefer to keep my flying 100% reality based.
@Heetcat6
@Heetcat6 8 жыл бұрын
this is amazing! wow the pilot and the controllers had done excellent job, Wow.
@easttexan2933
@easttexan2933 6 жыл бұрын
2 years later, are you still flying but more cautiously? Miraculous is an understatement.
@gordonlecroy4258
@gordonlecroy4258 7 жыл бұрын
Good job, guys! You are dedicated heroes!
@alejandrogodoy4696
@alejandrogodoy4696 4 жыл бұрын
THANK U!!! for SHARING IT
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