Lex, we need Huberman and Hoffman together in a room and you're the guy to make it happen! Do the things!

Smart Leonidas has some interesting things to say

Reality is not an illusion but “your” reality is an illusion.

"The menu is not the meal." - Alan Watts

Reality is also relative. Three rooms, one is hot, one is warm, one is cold. If you go from the hot room to the warm room, the warm room will feel cold. If you go from the cold room to the warm room, it will feel hot. The warm room is both hot and cold, relative to the previous experience.

-Sir Penrose has joined the chat ... Sir Penrose is typing "Y'all need to look at da tubes"

Ever since I stumbled upon Bernardo Kastrup I have been searching for an interview of him on Lex's channel. Low and behold, I found a zoom interview where Bernardo says that Lex Fridman did invite him, but Bernardo hasn't been travelling for a quite awhile and cannot bring himself to do so as yet. I would love to see a round table of Lex Fridman, Andrew Huberman, Bernardo Kastrup and Donald Hoffman - this would be mind-blowing!! I recall studying Philosophy where I was introduced to atoms, subatomic particles and particle physics. And also studying the brain in Psychology. I find it absolutely fascinating that our brain has the ability of perception - in order for us to be able to see physical objects that then creates our own individual world of reality. I wonder what life would really be like - If we were able to discern the atoms and quantum particles - what kind of life would we be experiencing. Atoms are the building blocks of matter. They, quite literally, make our universe what it is. When we die, our bodies do not turn into nothing; rather, they are broken down into their constituent parts and recycled into the ecosystem. In short, our atoms go on long after we are gone.

Great interview!

100% this is what will replace JRE for me in 2021. Everything about this helps me ask better questions of myself and explore ideas fully. Thank you.

This convo blows me away. Wow.

Our consciousness is the universe having a human experience

May your reality be a kind one.

These vids make me excited to be alive

Case against Reality by Donald Hoffman is an absolutely great read! Love his work and his presentations.

6:38 I think it's a good thought experiment that kind of cleanses the palate of the confidence we might have about [our accurate perception of reality].

21st century science: "Reality is an illusion!!!" Buddhists:

I love that this is being studied!!!

Reality is what we perceive with our senses.

What is the difference between the scientist performing the experiment on the animal, who “knows” which way the dots are “really” moving, and the animal perceives the dots to be moving differently. Isn’t this just the problem of the brain in the vat? Who can say that their perception of reality is the “real one” if we base our understanding of reality on the fact that neurons can be altered, all other things being equal, to perceive things differently.?

Kant already knew this in the 18th century.. Transcendental Idealism.

Nice clip and I am very interested in the whole conversation. 6 points worth noting: 1) Bickle and Ellis phenomenology and corticle stimulation for an article about MT that is interesting and relevant 2) General relativity has tensors that are built on components that are measure and are dependent on the metric but there are covariant parts that are not. What I am referring to is the relative notions which are inherent in measurements (dots moving up or down due to the understanding of the quaila or measurement 3) kants wall and the inability of getting to the thing itself 4)wittengstein and the linguistic turn and how the outgrowth of post modernism has that view that we are creating our own reality because of the failure of modernity 5)Thomas Nagel and “what it is like to be a bat?” 6) worldview are are accepted by family, friends and the environment which informs our metaphysics, ethics and epistemology. You touched each of these ideas and I hope yourself and your audience thirst for more understanding might help with an initial nudge and I how i directed someone to more thought that you addressed. Great work Lex.

It's time to bring in Donald Hoffman.

Interesting conversation.

Ever since I learned what Umwelt meant (on the Lex Fridman podcast I might add) i've been fascinated with the implications of sense awareness and reality fabrication.

Reminds me of the play, “Life is a Dream.”

Life is a dream. And we all wake up from the dream one day.

Love your videos dude :-)

I used to wonder how we could construct whole environments in dreams but it could be because that’s the same thing we are doing when awake.

I love that you know about Donald Hoffman’s work. Bring him on, please.

The weird thing about this conversation is that the words your using are the problem. Cannot express the absolute truth with relative words.

Excellent.

This is a new era of understanding of reality.

Please talk about Hebbs Principle, wire together, fire together, and how neurons are activated widely at first and eventually the firings are with fewer neurons closer together with the remaining neurons going back into the pool so to speak.

Reality exists becuase of your consciousness, and your consciousness is a result of this reality A s3lf referencing paradym that exists somewhere within the quantum universe

Lex I am 100% convinced I have the brain like an animal. Perhaps I evolved this way after many lifetimes or perhaps this is an illusion. We are what we think and this thinking process is the most comfortable to me. The best therapy for me is communicating with animals. For whatever reason I do not understand what humans say to me. This is also why I can be so easily abused even though I am smart and can learn better than most humans. Like an animal, I trust too easily. We for sure do not understand physical reality. We create in our mind what makes sense to us based on man-made rules centered around money. This creates a very limited thinking world. This is why humans and animals cannot understand each other. Animals live on Earth, humans do not. They live in a man-made fabricated world that is not in line with the World of animals and Earth elements. This is because humans are alien to Earth. Humans like to make up weird rules and if you don't follow these rules there is "something wrong with you." For example, humans made up a rule about sleeping at night. If you don't sleep at night there is something wrong with you. You have "insomnia" and need medication. But some people like to be awake in the evening, like bats, cows, frogs, pigs and other night animals. Then they sleep when the sun is out. Other animals, like horses and dogs, like to frolic when the sun is out. This is normal behavior so why are humans making up weird rules? Some animals like to move fast, others are slow. Elements change based on their environment. Water can be tranquil and destructive. The same for fire. Humans have a singular mindset that defines what it means to be a "normal human being." This is problematic because no single person is the same. If we create too many rules, then the people who cannot fit within these rules feel "abnormal" and stressed. Then the only human solution is to seek therapy from another human and become so heavily medicated that you do not even exist in this reality. And who WINS? Big Pharma aka money. Many humans are disconnected from God. God's rule is SIMPLE and EASY: do unto others as you would have them do unto you & love one another. Humans want to add to this but that is wrong. If you look at nature closely, the world makes a lot more sense. Human world makes no sense whatsoever. This is why so many are unhappy :(

we are all part of an omnipotent being, experiencing the 3rd dimension

Oliver Sachs "anthropologist on Mars " was my favorite

Sounds in line when I feel like I can't convince people their view of reality is wrong

i wish people know maturana and varela more. they made experiments like this back in 70s

How did Larry die?

I got to that conclusion/intuition in my late 20's. Later, I read about advaita vedanta and the upanishads, they got to the same conclusion by going inside their own minds, there is name for this illusory reality, they called Maya. They did not negate reality, it is just not accessible for the human. The way I see it is that our abstractions are neural constructs (Maya) that filter the reality.

If someone claims to have evidence or proof that we don’t know what’s going on and reality is actually very different from what we perceive, that premise leads to the conclusion /infinite loop that nothing can be known; almost like a solipsism worldview, whereby every further statement or premise out of that person’s mouth can’t bear any further insight. It is similar to the self referencing liars paradox phrased as “ knowledge is unprovable” . If it’s true then we can’t Construct a proof, at least in the classical logic sense,, and if it’s false then The proof is circular because it requires knowledge at some starting point. This is where the distinction of meta-language and object language comes in handy, but it’s an infinite regress issue.

That killed my brain 🧠

The trouble with science is always interpretation. It is like watching people becoming theologians for the first time.

Somehow brings me at ease knowing reality is subjective

This interview just made me realize what neuralink actually is!

In terms of seeing what is there, literally, our eye sight is limited to the 'visual spectrum' as we human-centrically call it. Having given some thought to the reason, it seems on the low end of the spectrum, that seeing heat, and warmth, and infrared levels would seem cool at first (no pun intended), what must happen is that all things would be seen with some tint of low-red or infrared, and the visual acuity of the other, higher spectrum frequencies would be reduced. There has to be a good reason we have not evolved with it, because it does seem that seeing warmth, especially in terms of breeding (positive evolution) would be a great advantage. For example to seeing the temperature rise of a female who is 'turned on'. Another aspect on the same side of the visual spectrum is that maybe the wavelength processing has a cognitive speed trade off. The sub-red wavelengths would be longer and thus the processing time ever more slowly. That could have contributed to negative evolution somewhere back in the evolution of humans also. Those creatures calculating an infrared wavelength were just slightly slower at reacting to the environmental stimulation than those without that mutation (if it could have existed) and therefore those creatures were something else's diner, or breakfast, while our ancestors only seeing red, and making ever so slightly snappier decisions escaped to not see infrared another day.

Think of wavelengths. We can only physically observe a tiny fraction of the spectrum, visible light, there's a huge range either side from ultra violet to infra red that we can measure but our brain doesn't register. Then think of everything outside the realms of what we can currently measure that we don't even know about. Our "reality" is a miniscule, insignificant interpretation of what's actually real.

They have accustomed their behavior so they see it in that way. People see things according to the way they think.

Reality is the compiler and atoms organized in their current positions are the code

There’s one consciousness experience it’s self from different perspectives that transcend time and space.

Suddenly I feel a little less nervous for my interview. What’s my greatest weakness? Why, it’s my inability to perceive reality....

We live in a multiverse of madness

Carlos Castañeda speak it about 70years ago almost.

RIP, Larry

Owen Barfield, Saving the Appearances

Hey Lex! Can you get Donald Hoffman on the show?

When we really start studying psychedelics it will help us understand the different realities. I’ve been there and it’s frightening

I really hate the experiments they do to animals. If not doing them means I don't get to learn things like this, I'm actually 100% ok with it

Hey Lex I'd love to see you have a scientific conversation about Alchemy and Magick with a well known medium or psychic.

Why can't it be both? How is anything detected to begin with, and with the answer to that question, can it explain any raw relationship?

@1:34 Huberman says "... neurons going up" but I believe he meant black dots going up.

agree

I’ve always believed your perception determines your reality and this ties in with that view

Please interview Donald Hoffman!! 🙏🙏

And that is profound how? This doesn't really qualify the term "illusion". We sense our environment with the apparatus we have and our brain does it's best to reconcile this information, in so doing consciousness is formed. How is what's actually there being "different" of any consequence?

The implications of the experiment are not as big as how they are talking about it. Because Silencing the neuron that respondes to the dots moving up is like telling someone to close their eyes and then tell you which way the dots are moving. It's cutting of the transmission of perception and not creating the reality of it. It is omitting the reality of what the dots are doing. So if I lost all my neurons that respond to dots moving up, then I have an impairment and lack of ability to register the dots moving up. Just like a blind person can't register any dots movement through the sense of sight. But we would not say that the dots don't move up because the blind person can't see them. However, the question of how we know our sense perception is an accurate reflection of the external world is still unanswered. And the question of object permanence still remains. When I go to sleep I doubt that my bed disappears, because if it did then I would fall on the ground and wake up. However, from a subjective perspective and from the perspective of concious experience, when you go to sleep the whole external world seems to disappear.

that really freaks me out dude

This feels very similar to concept of 'Maya' in Hinduism

I have a headache

Would a simple example of this be the difference in colour perception between canines and humans? Did humans evolve the perception (or, in fact, illusion) of colours purely to benefit their own evolutionary drive to survive? Red equals ripe fruit for example.

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I cannot see Magic Eye illusions, but I can sometimes see and touch what seem to be inter-dimensional beings.

I think our perception provides an illusion of reality for survival. But deep down we sense there is more to reality, life than the illusion that we perceive.

is that why ufo sightings are more common among people with adhd?

You seem to understand reality in a complete way on dmt in my opinion, I would assume this is how the afterlife will be forever, hopefully. I’m not really sure why we’re in this flesh, but I’m sure wiser men might.

This makes me almost not regret living.

Reality is the descriptive honest answer you would give to blind, deaf, mute person respectively.

"What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" Thomas Nagel

LEX JUST NEEDS TO LET HIS GUESTS GET THEIR POINT ACROSS WITHOUT INTERRUPTING. DAMN

Lex, bring Don Hoffman on the show!

Wow deep

So is neurons

I think Hoffman’s theory is less woo woo than people make it out to be, and Lex I don’t think represents it accurately. It’s really simple: the brain doesn’t have enough processing power (or even sensory capacity) to perceive everything that is happening in reality. Like, we don’t see clouds of atoms that makeup a chair, but instead we see a surface representation of a chair. With language and categorization we call a collection of atoms shaped in such a way that supports us when we sit a “chair.” But we create that category. Objectively there isn’t a chair. A wolf doesn’t see a chair so much as it may see an obstacle. The idea of a chair is useless to a wolf. Subjectively all we have are maps. So we make certain connections between categories of things (or we create those categories) with language. So in a sense we occupy a slice of reality that we all agree to define in a certain way and our brains ignore most of what’s actually happening because it’s not relevant (you don’t need to map all the positions of the atoms in a chair). It’s not woo woo at all. This is a very simple concept which I think Hoffman is actually correct on but most people make it out to be some magical concept.

Wait maybe I’m dumb but we’re the animals given the option to say the dots were moving down? I feel like the answer is yes, but I just wanted to make sure.

They can never answer a simple question: how can colorless molecules ever produce colors? If everything is mere matter in motion, then color cannot exist. Even illusions cannot exist. How can matter create an illusion?

Does anyone know the specific study that Prof. A. Huberman is referring to here?

How do ppl dislike this

Disgusting the things they do to live, conscious, pain feeling animals in labs.

But why are our reality same. I mean if reality is a neural perception but how can two person's neural perception be same. How can activation be same for two different network

Lex, мне было очень тебя жаль когда ты пытался «обьяснить» Dan Hoffman’s теорию. Он вообще-то говорит в основном о тех теориях которые уже подтверждены математически.

Until he gets popped in the face. Never saw it coming but it still had impact. All neurons destroyed, still has an effect. so no...reality isn't only in your mind, it just sometimes moves right through it.

Does this bring a whole new perspective on Cognitive Dissonance? A persons reality can be detached from actual reality?

There must be at least some correlation between reality and what we experience otherwise we would not be able to survive. The project of science is to try to understand and explore the delta between what we experience as reality and what we can discern beyond our limited senses and limited intellect.

if there exists anyone outside myself, then so many peoples' neurons seem to be constructing the same reality simultaneously

Uhhh when he says the animal is he talking about a human?

Be careful with our thoughts. One can alter the fabric of reality.

He conflates the possibility of being fooled by a perceptual illusion with being always under an illusion. I can be fooled by a magic trick. Doesn’t mean all my perception is a trick.

Who’s this more handsome buffed version of Lex?

Frogs can onoy see horizontal motion so maybe this is the reason why