I learned many idioms from this comment

That’s a whole fact.

also since gunn is there and told Ayer that it’ll be released

He was a bitch and said there is no directors cut and this is the movie, and he's happy about it, while it was in theatres and was making decent money, while in the same time Snyder was buried by the WB. He was a nice team player for the studio, instead of supporting a fellow director and expose the insane studio interference. He made his bed, now sleep in it! I hope his cut never comes out, just because of him and his weakness!!!

@@Wolfhunter5607 apparently he's telling Ayer that he wants some DC movies to make some scores first, but Gunn has been misleading and dishonest about a few things already, it's either he releases the Ayer cut before Superman Legacy or he's not going to let it happen. I really don't see Gunn trying to screw with his audience during his world building like he got rid of most of the DCEU's interest when they still had 4 movies on their roster.

What? Deadpool didn't leak the actual movie It was test footage And it got the movie greenlit So both of what u said is wrong

@@TheSoulWithin7i think hes being sarcastic

@@TheSoulWithin7 yes I'm aware it was test footage. You seem to not be aware of the concept of sarcasm.

​@@TheSoulWithin769iq

He will be sued so fast as he is the only person who owns it.

He didn’t direct training day or fast and furious. He was a writer for both

@@Francescojg Op didnt say David directed those movies, he said Ayer "did" those movies, as in participated in their making.

@@19RaxR91 In that case the comment would be redundant as he's then "been a fan of" about 10,000 other crew members across those said films

@@Francescojg Im not sure that made any sense. Would You please rephrase that?

I don’t understand why they’re talking like Fury was good, it wasn’t. Fury was a fucking cheese-ball mess

maybe the novelization is based on his original script, so that's like getting close to his original version if true.

@@joemammon6149 I've read that novelization, btw. Have you? To be honest, I didn't think it really saved the movie or was a great improvement over what we got. Yes, the tone was less comedic but the same plot problems exist there too. The only real differences I recall were some more - largely superfluous scenes - of Enchantress at the beginning, the Joker and Quinn; but really the biggest addition I recall was many more scenes of the SEAL team accompanying the Suicide Squad; Scott Eastwood's character in particular had a much bigger part in the novelization. If it is any way indicative of that earlier draft of the script - and more accurately represents Ayer's vision - then it's a great disappointment in my opinion.

@@gordoncutter9241 even if the Ayer version was released in theater and was better than the version we got, that didn't necessarily mean a bigger box office return. the James Gunn sequel is better than the 1st Suicide Squad but still performed weakly at the box office.

@@joemammon6149 Yeah, but let's be real here: Even if his cut did get released, it wouldn't be theatrical. It would probably a exclusive streaming deal like Snyder's Justice League. I wasn't crazy about Gunn's version either, but in his defense that movie did come out during the COVID peaks and the simultaneous HBO Max/theatrical release that Warner Bros was experimenting with at the time to get around it. I'm not saying the movie would have been a massive hit if that didn't happen, but it did impact the final BO.

Well he didn't make Training Day. But he did write it. Which honestly is the thing right? The script?

@@sij809 you tell me

@@Readus1234 I think it is. Side note: damn this interview was fire

@@sij809 ok

@Readus1234 wait you're not Norman Readus are you????

Guillermo del Toro with the hobbit and hellboy too

Hell yeah .

but Edgar Wright was never able to do the project at all, didn't he? I believe Edgar was quit the day before he's do any work for Marvel

@@DD-zh4by Wdym remove him entirely? He was still in it, but some scenes were cut, and it doesn't even need to be worked on, they can just release it and that's it. Plus he was redeemed in the Snyder Cut.

I'd be more worried about more screen time for the fresh prince. 😂

I just can't see it ever making a good movie no matter who edits it.

That first trailer released at comic con can still be found online. That was a different movie, there are also snippets of scenes that were cut.

Release it somehow. Internet... As opposed to never getting it. Or waiting 20 plus f _ _ _ ing years!!!!!

You got to see the movie he did with C.Bale, the MF carries the movie to a new level.

Fury, The Tax Collector, Street Kings. Hell even Bright was aight.

@@OliverCrooks Harsh times with the always fkn brilliant C.Bale?!

It might not be up to Gunn. Gunn has to answer to higher ups as well and as David said, Gunn has to build confidence with those higher ups before he can make more risky moves.

it also might help DC, because right now everythings a shit show. Flash and blue beetle FLOPPED hard. we need something exciting

Gunn will never allow this movie to come out it will completely overshadow all his projects and will increase calls to bring back Snyder and that can of worms

@@Jay-vm4lc The flash was exciting though i thought.

@@DJKeo Never say never

Was it a success? I mean financially, for WB. It was good for the fans, we got the real version of that movie, but they spent a lot of money to finish it and it's not clear if it was a good investment for them. I'd love to see Ayer's director cut, I'm always intrigued by different versions of movies, especially for movies that studios heavily interfered with, but if they had to spend tens of millions to get it there, like they did with the Snyder cut, it will probably never happen.

​@@Ishai1not your money, so why bother about that part? It's about doing a director's work justice.

Ironic because (according to Ayer) the release and reviews of Batman v Superman is what caused WB to take final cut away from Ayer.

really?

​@thapanroy3481 it matters a lot. Didn't you watch the video? It's all about money and reaching your quarterly. If that justice movie cost them and didn't earn anything, they won't do an Ayers cut.

Bro, that first trailer was one of the best comic book trailers i've ever seen... the 2nd trailer came out of left field, and the film itself was surprisingly different from what I expected from Ayer, and that first trailer. What a shame.

I’m not gonna lie, that 2nd trailer was just as great as the 1st one but they were clearly 2 different tones for 2 very different movies. Great trailers aside, I wanna see The Ayer Cut

@@notyouraveragebear9326 I wouldn't say just as great (IMO)... but you're right it was definitely a banger, just switched up the tone completely from the epic, dark, sad, beautiful, haunting vibe the first one gave off, and went for a more Guardians of the Galaxy vibe using Queens Bohemian Rhapsody.. I felt like the first trailer was a glimpse of the world, and vibe we can expect Ben Afflecks Batman is going to be dealing with in his own solo movie, and I couldn't be more psyched. Then the movie changed, got over the top jokey, and ridiculous, corny, and we never got Batfleck solo... what a shame. I did, and still do really enjoy Suicide Squad, just expected it to be greatness, and one of the best CBMs.

No they don't. Gunn took the property and did a fantastic job.

@@interdimensionalsteve8172 No he didn't. It tanked. It lost $190 million. BTW, Godzilla v Kong came out 3 months earlier and made $460 million. So no pandemic excuses. GvK and others also had same day streaming release and they made money. TSS didn't. It was a flop. People want to see the Ayer cut. The theatrical version made $746 million. It was highly profitable.

Count me twice

The night and day difference between Justice League and Zack Snyder's Justice League is a huge lesson in both the power of editing and the fragility of geekosphere bias. For years, a good chunk of commentators wrote off a director's vision because it inconvenienced their preordained opinions. Feelings are not facts when it comes to fandom or news. I'll trust a creator's word over a self-preserving studio executive any day.

Yep, you're guilty.

I bet it's just ass bad

Don’t worry. You’re not guilty.

Pretty much every director cut of the Dceu movies is vastly superior than the theatrical release. Watching some of the leaked scenes of the first Suicide squad is intriguing. It's probably still bad with the witch being the ultimate baddy but from the leaked scenes seems more interesting as a whole.

Snyders cut was still sht, it was just longer

​@@vperkv6554 Shame ,that is your opinion and not an objective fact .

snyder cut was good just 4 hours long

@@vperkv6554 I agree, but I'm still glad it happened. I can dislike a director and still think what happened to them from WB was messed up and want them to get a chance to release their version. I at least want to decide if their vision was good or bad for myself. Not take the word of focus groups.

And rick fumayiwa flash movie

The true is Zack is a nice guy but not a great filmmaker, writer especially

@@astralnight3493 No, Zack is a great filmmaker. Even other filmmakers that you most certainly wouldn't question (James Cameron, Christopher Nolan, Chloe Zhao, etc...) have spoken highly about his filmmaking. You sound like a bandwagon jumper that repeats nonsense from the internet and probably think those horrible MCU movies that go against the tone of the original comic books which took themselves seriously are great. They are not. MCU movies are an insult to the source material and are ruining cinema.

Zack did a really cool 2-part interview with the Russo bros. Don't know if you've seen it, but it has quite a similar format to this. Relaxed chat between creative dudes who love the craft of filmmaking. Except, there's more pizza and fewer f bombs.

@@DaRunningMan Christopher Nolan also praises Tokyo Drift lol, and James Cameron's output Post-90s is actually VERY questionable. Also, Zack likes the MCU... he literally just did a thing with the Russos a few months ago and is friends with Gunn (Peacemaker's stunt people were actually recommended to Gunn by Snyder). It's almost like film is SUBJECTIVE and different people have different views on them. While James Cameron may love Zack Snyder's films, Ridley Scott are Terry Gilliam are known to hate them. While Christopher Nolan is a Michael Bay fan, his own brother (Also a very talented writer) disagrees. The resulting message? Being a good filmmaker does not automatically mean everyone has to agree with your views on film, because even good filmmakers disagree. Finally, to put my two cents in, I do like Zack Snyder as a filmmaker. He's got a very distinct style. But he wasn't right for Superman IMO. His version of JL convinced me he would've been better at making a Cyborg movie than Superman movies.

Its about " FAMILY"

Really? I honestly wasn’t a fan. I found it… idk, strange I suppose. I’m a huge fan of this guy as a director and writer though.

CANNYEEHIERTHU SILENZ

True, but I can't see a solid or even a great movie within what we got.

@@4Everlast I agree somewhat..the fight scenes with those charcoal things?? That was never gonna work. The overuse of CGI too. However, different editing, use of music, etc. Could potentially make for a great movie? Who knows. I'd like to know the director's original vision. Either way, what we got was awful

@@jake90052 Indeed. Also, wtf can a team like that do to stop Superman as Whaller said? Fkn H.Quinn with a damn peace of wood? The horrible Joker, the F'd up tone, even the original intended one clashed too much, the superhero, guy on fire Vs. gritty wannabe reality, it's not easy to make it work.

@@4Everlast it's a great point, sending a guy in with a boomerang, and another with a baseball bat? It logically makes no sense, especially when they're with a sorcereress. (?) You make a really good point. Perhaps if it had been written as a story, where the handlers were using this all as an excuse to just get them killed legally, and they somehow managed to get through it... I dunno... It is a difficult story set up

@@jake90052 It could be done, but you got to be up to par. The remake was much, much better.

This is exactly as I always interpreted it. The Comic-Con announcement trailer has a very dark, eerie vibe and fit with the tone of the rest of the movies that preceded it. Then a couple of months later we get the Bohemian Rhapsody trailer and the following trailers set to pop songs and you could tell the producers were attempting to chase Marvel's mainstream appeal.

You know better tank movie? The beast of war

What did he mean by had the town in my hand can you please explain

@@YasenOdaibat its an expression that means he was an extremely popular and powerful person in Hollywood. He had the town (hollywood) in his hand (meaning he had an incredible measure of control over the town). Hope that helps

I'm not a movie buff but a lot scenes didn't make sense. The Harley throwing her pudding chain after the jokers helicopter crash made it telling

The Snyder cut wasn't profitable for WB/DC. Sure it pleased the fans but like they always say, " it ain't show -friends, it show-business

I don't LOVE the movie, especially when compared to the sequel. But it's still a fucking fun ass movie with good characters.

The first trailer really shows the tone he was going for

Yeah both suicide squad movies are great fun popcorn style movies good action comedy and who dies

Same here.

I love it too even tho it's been tampered with, it's still all his footage

It was horrible

Ok you can stop lying, that movie was complete ass

Definitely

So was Tom Hardy , he was actually signed on but dropped the role for Venom.

@@RubexQewb Yeah, I know Tom Hardy originally signed on, but he didn't drop out for Venom. It was actually due to scheduling conflicts with The Revenant.

The fact James Gunn is interested after getting a few things out first is awesome. I'm positive we'll see the Ayer cut one day.

In most cases, most mainstream actors are in films that are either okay (aka inoffensive and safe) or bad.

It has nothing to do with Shia being used as a scapegoat. Listen to what they discuss in the video. Ayer or Shia have an interpretation or vision of what they want to achieve for a film, or it is the reason you got into the project in the first place (director, story, writer etc), and that just gets ripped away from you and you are in a car crash you can see coming miles away and can't do anything about it.. Shia's performances in all those films were praised, it was the film itself that was poorly received.

There's scenes online of it

In retrospect, I find it to be the most enjoyable of the 90s Batman outlets (including the 89' one, as that movie is quite the incoherent mess, tbh), and just a great movie overall, front to back.

He was promised creative control. They got rid of him after and he couldn’t care less 😂