Reasons Why Navy Pilots Says ''I Have The Ball'' When Landing On An Aircraft Carrier

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NAVY Productions

NAVY Productions

Жыл бұрын

The flight deck of an Aircraft Carrier is where planes take off and land. The short runway makes it difficult for a pilot to land on the aircraft carrier. There are already examples that a landing can go badly wrong.
While landing on an aircraft carrier, the pilot often says “I have the Ball.” What does this mean?
An Optical Landing System that provides information on the glide path to pilots during the last phase of the landing procedure on an aircraft carrier is referred to as a "ball,". Navy Pilots often say, “I have the ball, " indicating that they can see the signals given via the Optical Landing System.
In its developed form, the Optical Landing System comprises a few interconnected elements, the most notable of which are the lights employed in providing visual cues to approaching aircraft, the light control system, and the mounting system.
The mirror landing aid was the first optical landing system, and it was one of the numerous technologies created in the United Kingdom following World War II that revolutionized the construction of aircraft carriers. The other two features were the tilted flight deck and the steam catapult.
The mirror landing aid was a gyroscopically-controlled concave mirror on the port side of the flight deck. There was a row of "datum lights" in an emerald green color on either side of the mirror. The aviator who was about to land was able to view the "ball", that was created by shining a strong orange "source" light into the mirror. The ball's position in comparison to the datum lights indicated the aircraft's position about the desired glide path. If the ball was above the datum, it indicated that the plane was high; if the ball was below the datum, it indicated that the plane was low; and if the ball was between the datum, it indicated that the plane was on the glide path. A consistent glide path was achieved due to the gyro stabilization system's ability to compensate for the flight deck's movement caused by the waves.
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@navyproductions
@navyproductions Жыл бұрын
Did you know this? I find it very impressive how pilots take off and land on an aircraft carrier. Let me know what you think! 💙
@beaglesguy
@beaglesguy Жыл бұрын
ditto. this was my goal in 1976 leaving h/s, but 'twas not to be.
@lordkreigs1978
@lordkreigs1978 Жыл бұрын
Some predecessor prior to the ball, a WWII era LSO with paddles and white background tarp for comparison would have helped. Also some actual examples of errors, wave-offs, and incidents in conjunction of the actual or reconstructions of low ball deck strikes / high ball wave offs and go arounds. Errors reading the ball missing all cables.... you get the idea.
@trumanhw
@trumanhw Жыл бұрын
The S is silent in Fresnel ... it's fru-nell.
@jimbob100-d3l
@jimbob100-d3l Жыл бұрын
We do not say "I have the ball". The correct call would be something like "500 grizzly ball 8.0". You have to get these details right to be doing these types of videos...
@markjohnson9402
@markjohnson9402 Жыл бұрын
@@trumanhw aw you beat me to it.
@itsjohndell
@itsjohndell Жыл бұрын
A million years ago I was a USAF Captain flying F4Es. The Navy would invite us in groups to "Observe" operations. Included was a hop in an F4(J?) off USS John F. Kennedy. The cat shot was eye opening by itself. But the return was pucker-factor + 1. My briefing by the Pilot was short enough, told me two things: Keep your hands and feet off the controls no matter what and after showing me the egress mech said "If I say eject, eject, eject the last one will be an echo. When the canopy goes go with it." The return was mind boggling. he trapped the first wire and since then I gave it up to US Naval Aviators. The best in the World, bar none. And the deck crews are unsung heros.
@beaglesguy
@beaglesguy Жыл бұрын
totally agree.
@michaelmappin4425
@michaelmappin4425 Жыл бұрын
Anytime the deck guys get a mention. I get all fuzzy inside. Thanks.
@TheFlyingZulu
@TheFlyingZulu Жыл бұрын
​@@michaelmappin4425 Haha same here... I was kc-135 flightline MX in the AF... I know what you mean. Ground support and aircraft maintenance are always forgotten.
@neilfoster814
@neilfoster814 Жыл бұрын
F4's were on hell of an aircraft. In the UK we had J's and K's. My uncle was radar tech on the K. Brute power all the way up to 40,000ft
@itsjohndell
@itsjohndell Жыл бұрын
@@michaelmappin4425 Without the guys on the deck and down in the hangers the guy in the cockpit isn't going anywhere.
@skippervt24
@skippervt24 Жыл бұрын
I flew off carriers for 23 years. I never heard any Naval Aviator (the Air Force has pilots) say, "I have the ball". It was always squadron callsign, airplane number, just ball and fuel state, i.e.. "Active 305, ball, 3.5". A little research would go a long way.
@PeteVA-212
@PeteVA-212 Жыл бұрын
Roger that!
@jkaposi
@jkaposi 8 ай бұрын
Never heard 'I have the ball' in any of my PLAT films...AGREE!
@georgewetherby8271
@georgewetherby8271 7 ай бұрын
As well as the correct pronunciation of fresnel. 😢
@sporkmonster
@sporkmonster 6 ай бұрын
LSO “Roooooger ball!”
@tomperock1615
@tomperock1615 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for your Service ❤. I’ve Wanted to be a Navy since 1983 Top Gun . I started Practicing on Flight Simulator in 2002 with 1998, 2002, 2004 and 2006 . Been 22 Years practicing on and off all kinds of Jets Planes . It took practice but I was able to land a F-A 18 at Catalina on Spot view from the back of the Jet . Landing it wasn’t too bad stopping it on a 3,000 foot Runway is very Difficult . I don’t know how you land on an Aircraft Carrier on a Pitching Deck . I wonder if catching the third Wire is the best move ..The old Aircraft carriers had four Wires . 😊Again thank you for your Service ..
@michaelmappin4425
@michaelmappin4425 Жыл бұрын
Nobody except Maverick in the original Top Gun ever says, "I have the ball." The only correct response to the call, "three quarter mile, call the ball," is aircraft side number, aircraft type, ball, and fuel state. So it sounds like this: "Two zero four, Rhino ball, Four One." This means aircraft side number 204 is an FA-18 Super Hornet and he has the ball with 4100 lbs of fuel.
@bobharrison7693
@bobharrison7693 Жыл бұрын
Spot on. And most day VFR approaches are "zip lip" where the pilot does not make a ball call.
@navyproductions
@navyproductions Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your valuable response! 💙
@michaelmappin4425
@michaelmappin4425 Жыл бұрын
@@navyproductions I do want to compliment you on your outstanding videos. Sure there's some things that only people with direct experience are gonna catch but you provide the general knowledge that most people are going to want.
@av8rgrip
@av8rgrip Жыл бұрын
A super hornet is “rhino”? Or is this the squadron callsign. “Milking the Rhino” and the Rhino admin from hook ‘91 comes to mind. As I recall it was it was Skyhawk/tomcat/hornet/intruder/prowler etc.
@djsmith2871
@djsmith2871 Жыл бұрын
@@av8rgrip Rhino is the Super Hornet's nickname. I believe the "Rhino ball..." call would distinguish it from a legacy ("C/D") Hornet, which would be Hornet ball...
@IggyDalrymple
@IggyDalrymple Жыл бұрын
When I first hooked the cable in 1962, the exclamation was not voluntary but mandatory and it was "MEATBALL". My first boarding of an aircraft carrier was that first carrier qualification training flight and it was "solo". You were required to successfully "hook the cable" 8 times in order to win your Navy Wings. All prior "carrier" training flights were also solo on an old nearly abandoned Navy blimp base with gigantic hangars near Atmore, Alabama. All the instructors were dressed super casual wearing teeshirts and shorts. These instructors acted as landing signal officers and they could judge your airspeed & attitude by the amount of "daylight" between your wing and horizontal tail.
@matthewk7507
@matthewk7507 Жыл бұрын
My brother was in the Navy, and always called it the Meatball as well. He never explained why it's called that though. Why is it called the Meatball? Thank you for your service my friend.
@dave5833
@dave5833 Жыл бұрын
Thank You Sir for your Service.
@IggyDalrymple
@IggyDalrymple Жыл бұрын
@Paul Derby I speak the truth to the best of my 83 year old memory. As I recall I did my carrier qualification on the USS Lexington. We did our practice mirror approaches at an abandoned Navy blimp base in Alabama. The blimp base had no arresting cable, but had the mirrors. One of our instructors who was standing near the mirrors to talk us down on the approach was Marine Corps Capt. Scaglione. In '64 and "65 I instructed primary in T-34s at Saufley and then instructed primary helicopter at Ellyson Field.
@lenyancey5236
@lenyancey5236 Жыл бұрын
@@IggyDalrymple Thank you for your service, sir! You are a pioneer of the bravest kind!
@m118lr
@m118lr Жыл бұрын
@Paul Derby ..’Get outta here” with THAT stuff man. “Questioning” HIS service..geezzzz
@TheOriginalFreak
@TheOriginalFreak Жыл бұрын
The "s" is silent in Fresnel. A Fresnel lens is an optical lens, which was originally developed for Lighthouses. It is named after its inventor, French physicist Augustin-Jean Fresnel. The name is pronounced /freɪˈnɛl/ (fray-NELL), the 's' is silent.
@Dazlidorne
@Dazlidorne Жыл бұрын
I bet you are fun at parties!
@Wh0isTh3D0ct0r
@Wh0isTh3D0ct0r Жыл бұрын
@@Dazlidorne Thomas A. Anderson and I would get along just fine at parties, because not only that, but "comprises of" should have been either "comprises" or "is composed of"; and it's called an "angled flight deck," not a "tilted flight deck."
@ToeTag1968
@ToeTag1968 Жыл бұрын
​@@Dazlidorne I'm hilarious and I was going to comment the same thing about the silent S. Some of us try to help out KZfaqrs with pronunciation so they sound more pro in later videos.
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque Жыл бұрын
@@Wh0isTh3D0ct0r I'm right there with you two guys! Good job!
@vengeance129
@vengeance129 4 ай бұрын
Thanks you. I winced every time he said freznel 😂
@lepusmalignis1628
@lepusmalignis1628 Жыл бұрын
I was aware of the phrase "call the ball" from various mil-scifi books. I used it at the office to tell someone to "make a damn decision, already". By the time I left, it'd become office-speak...the only contribution to office culture that I made that could be said w/o a visit to HR. :)
@agrobeson6471
@agrobeson6471 5 ай бұрын
LOL on the HR!
@jpwoelfling
@jpwoelfling Жыл бұрын
I remember as a Navy Aviation Corpsman, We had to check pilots during their flight physicals for color visual acuity using a device that was suppose to mimic the Fresnel lights they would see on final. Very small lights, one over the other. The colors were red, green and yellow. The tech moves a wheel and the pilots have to say what 2 colors they see and which is top and which is bottom. Failure of the test, would require a full workup by the Ophthalmologist and a down chit, until checked by the physician.
@estwilde
@estwilde Жыл бұрын
I think this is the 'Farnsworth Lantern' test? It's funny cause I heard that one was easier to pass than the initial colorblind assessment using the Ishihara dot patterns (the colored dots in circles), which I was never able to pass, so I never bothered going any further with enlistment thoughts. In modern days with pilots talking about their experiences a lot of them mentioned just keeping going and bothering folks until they finally were able to get that lantern test and allowed in with waivers, but from my thoughts and talking to people it looked like I was headed for a warehouse job thanks to that colorblindness.
@jpwoelfling
@jpwoelfling Жыл бұрын
@@estwilde You are correct, it was called the Farnsworth Lantern Test. I wish you had pursued your enlistment. Best wishes my friend for whatever life brings you.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 Жыл бұрын
So that's what FALANT means! I get about half the Ishihara dots test but failed FALANT spectacularly. They all look yellowish (incandescent lamps). I have no difficulty with traffic signals, it is the tiny spot of colored light that is difficult, i probably have few or no "cones" in my central area of vision. I have also noticed that my eyes aren't the same in this regard and interestingly on occasion I have much better color vision. If I put tinted lenses over one or both eyes suddenly I can breeze through Ishihara plates and it is quite an interesting phenomenon. I've considered Enchroma glasses but they are very expensive.
@g.k.1669
@g.k.1669 Жыл бұрын
@@thomasmaughan4798 I went to join the service in high school. They would not take me due to my inability to see red and green. My wife bought me the Enchroma glasses for my birthday several years ago. Yeah...that is a bit of a trip. Seeing how bright the color green is on street signs after putting on sunglasses and seeing that meat in the grocery store is not actually the same color as charcoal ash is quite the shock. My eyes now require glasses and I am hoping that the Enchroma glasses can be made in prescription lenses soon. I also found out that the color red is way overused on product packaging in the store.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 Жыл бұрын
@@g.k.1669 Great report on Enchroma glasses. I sort of achieve a result by using my digital camera. For reasons not entirely clear, I seem to see colors just fine, a wavelength shift or something. My wife says, "Look at the colors on the mountains!" Really? What colors? I shoot a photo and look at the LCD, sure enough, there's the autumn colors.
@ElPasoJoe1
@ElPasoJoe1 Жыл бұрын
Generally, the "s" in Fresnel is not pronounced. Good video...
@navyproductions
@navyproductions Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the feedback. We learn from every video and from every response. You contribute to making each video better, that's what we work hard for! Thanks again and sorry for mispronouncing 💙
@Bender2497
@Bender2497 Жыл бұрын
The S is actually pronounced, at least the LSOs I've been around pronounce it. And we don't say "I have the ball". The call would be something like "124 Hornet Ball 3.4" and the LSO would respond "Roger Ball". The "124" is the aircraft tail number, the "Hornet Ball" means that I'm flying a legacy Hornet and see the ball (a super hornet would say Rhino ball), and the 3.4 is the fuel state in thousands of pounds, so the LSOs can monitor your fuel state in case you bolter and need to hit the tanker.
@transtubular
@transtubular Жыл бұрын
@@Bender2497 Yes, just because others do it does not make it correct. It just means that all the folks you were around have also been pronouncing it wrong. It's French, the name of the man who invented the lens design. GO LOOK IT UP.
@Bender2497
@Bender2497 Жыл бұрын
@@transtubular True, but the "others" you speak of is the entire community of LSOs in the US Navy. 🤷‍♂
@spuzzdawg
@spuzzdawg Жыл бұрын
@@Bender2497 They're still wrong. But it's also on brand for Americans to not care about something like that because it's foreign.
@georgezachos7322
@georgezachos7322 Жыл бұрын
I admire navy carrier pilots, especially when the going gets tough. Nighttime, bad weather, lights out, the works.
@limitby9
@limitby9 Жыл бұрын
A friend of mine in the U S Navy was named "Roger Ball". We didn't understand at first why old Salts would laugh whenever his name was called out when taking attendance in Navy Aviation Electronics school.
@mikebutler7605
@mikebutler7605 Жыл бұрын
Oh, they’ve got the balls alright - landing at night in the rain on a pitching aircraft carrier. There are none like them.
@francestomic2772
@francestomic2772 Жыл бұрын
I have always been so impressed with the pilots & the deck crew. Each has a job & it seems they are all very serious about it. Wow just wow
@powerbad696
@powerbad696 Жыл бұрын
They have to be serious,Frances,it's the most dangerous on the ship.
@Fitzy25
@Fitzy25 Жыл бұрын
It is absolutely no joke, you can ask anyone of the deck crew about the time they almost lost their life on the flight deck and anyone with at least a deployment under their belt will ask "Which time?" The flight deck is absolute chaos and my first time stepping on it during active flight ops was the most nervous I have been in my life.
@soujrnr
@soujrnr Жыл бұрын
22-year Navy veteran here. First off, THANK YOU to all veterans out there reading this for your service!! I served with some of the best people in the world, bar none. Secondly, I love aviation! I did my pilot training in Spain back in the mid-80s. I love flying! Third, I often hear people talking about how great Naval aviators are because of carrier landings. Let's just set the record straight. Landing on a carrier does NOT make one a top-notch pilot. Fighter pilots are trained to FIGHT. Landing is just one aspect of it. A pilot who can land on a carrier is doing what he was trained to do, but if he can't dog fight in air-to-air combat, he's as useless as tits on a boar hog. No one will say of a pilot that he was great because he was able to land on a carrier. Instead, they'll say he was great because he shot down a whole bunch of enemy fighter pilots in combat. THAT is what makes a pilot great! Not carrier landings. So, a carrier landing doesn't make them a better fighter pilot than a Marine or Air Force fighter pilot. It just means they are landing on a smaller runway that is prone to move around a bit. Hats off to ALL fighter pilots who are well-trained to FIGHT, and hats off to the deck hands (carrier or land-based) that keep them in the air! Without the techs in the shops, fighter pilots would just be desk jockeys waiting on a ride. Again, many thanks to all of my fellow vets! You all are the finest group of people I ever had the privilege to work with (with rare exception). Happy new year!
@richardclark4733
@richardclark4733 Жыл бұрын
Naval Aviators are the best trained in the world. Period.
@bigredracingdog466
@bigredracingdog466 13 күн бұрын
But a Navy pilot who can't land on a carrier can't fight.
@soujrnr
@soujrnr 13 күн бұрын
@@bigredracingdog466 - Unless he's not based on a carrier. Then it's really a moot point. Not all Navy pilots are on carriers. The F-22 is not carrier based, but it's one of the most bad-ass fighters on the planet.
@bigredracingdog466
@bigredracingdog466 13 күн бұрын
@@soujrnr The Navy doesn't fly the F-22.
@soujrnr
@soujrnr 12 күн бұрын
@@bigredracingdog466 - You are exactly right. My bad. I was recalling when I was still working for Lockheed. A carrier-based F-22 was considered, but it required too much compromise to it's stealth mission.
@kapitanXbomber1989
@kapitanXbomber1989 Жыл бұрын
I think all navy pilots should also be able to say I have balls.
@billywilds1779
@billywilds1779 Жыл бұрын
What a great video. My dad after graduating from USNA in 1950 was a pilot. He said landing were interesting, especially while as a senior pilot he would normally land last, when the flight is full of planes and potential hazards.
@Lorrdd
@Lorrdd Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, if it isn't falsely claiming to be a veteran, it's falsely claiming to be related to one.
@billywilds1779
@billywilds1779 Жыл бұрын
@@Lorrdd Well I'm 3rd generation Navy, which is most likely better than when you crossed the border from Mexico, moron.
@rickb.284
@rickb.284 Жыл бұрын
The Fresnel Lens was nicknamed the "Meatball"...this is how it was called the "ball"....a shortened version of Meatball...
@tom5256
@tom5256 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk had the prototype Mk 6 Mod 3 so when you went to FLOLS school and seen pictures of it that was the one you seen. This is a pretty good video like a couple of people said there are some inaccuracies but they are small and don't take away from the video. I seen pictures I had never seen before and I went to FLOLS school and was on the Kitty Hawk.
@MagnumN117
@MagnumN117 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for presenting the info in such a clear fashion! And now we know!
@dullonion797
@dullonion797 Жыл бұрын
They don’t say, ‘I have the ball”, they say, callsign with aircraft type, ball, fuel state. “Bandwagon 210 Tomcat ball, 5.5. Starfighter 207 Phantom ball, 5.1…..
@55Reever
@55Reever 5 ай бұрын
Answered many questions I have had for years. I will book mark this video. Thank you very much.
@xsfeatg
@xsfeatg Жыл бұрын
Each jet has its own glide slope. In the 70s we manned a station in Pri-fly in the island structure where the Air Boss was, and for each different type of aircraft we thru in their glide slope. Good think the Air Boss knew all his planes, because at night, it wasn't that easy id'ing them.
@tenduvaiilsindarin2876
@tenduvaiilsindarin2876 3 күн бұрын
well done put together Video, It provided a great insight into IFLOLS History, Thx.
@leonardomedina418
@leonardomedina418 Жыл бұрын
Pilots always have "the balls" to land on an aircraft carrier. period.
@dbadaddy7386
@dbadaddy7386 Жыл бұрын
Integrated fleet, dude. Chicks fly too. Although these days folks with balls can identify as chicks, so I guess they would have the balls to fly.
@notlikely4468
@notlikely4468 Жыл бұрын
Well...at least one
@ZoeSummers1701A
@ZoeSummers1701A Жыл бұрын
Sexist.
@ironknuckle143
@ironknuckle143 Жыл бұрын
Shout out to my fellow VLA sailors. The unsung heroes of Naval Aviation VB- 10, 11, & 12
@DrDeuteron
@DrDeuteron Жыл бұрын
It's pronounced "fra NELL". He was a giant in optics, check out his spirals. (Fresnel Spirals)
@superbmediacontentcreator
@superbmediacontentcreator Жыл бұрын
In the pronunciation of the word "Fresnel," the 's' is not pronounced... it is pronounced, "fer-nel." A very informative video...
@pokerfitnessyoutube2837
@pokerfitnessyoutube2837 Жыл бұрын
We never said…”I have the ball”. The LSO would say “ 3/4 mile, call the ball”. We would respond with aircraft number, type, and fuel amount…”704, Viking Ball, 3.5”, they would confirm….”Roger Ball”…..and we would continue the approach and land….(unless waived off or we bolter”.
@LineOpsBoy
@LineOpsBoy 5 ай бұрын
The LSO didn’t say “3/4 of a mile call the ball” that was CATCC
@rextorp5533
@rextorp5533 Ай бұрын
@@LineOpsBoy Correct. The actual radio calls would be: CATCC: Gambler 704 you are 3/4 of a mile. Call the ball. Gambler 704: 704, Viking Ball, 4.5. (Or 704 Clara Ball, if he couldn't see the ball.) LOS: Roger Ball and wind speed.
@toobasaurus23
@toobasaurus23 Жыл бұрын
Carrier ops and the roles on the deck are incredible. Love to do any one of them.
@SMX815
@SMX815 Жыл бұрын
Thank you & a great video 🙌👏
@beaglesguy
@beaglesguy Жыл бұрын
Great vid. TY
@Lee0568
@Lee0568 Жыл бұрын
Nice of you to acknowledge the Royal Navy for your ability to land on carriers
@mach179
@mach179 Жыл бұрын
I worked at the USAF Test Pilot School from 1985 to 2010 and we had one or two Naval pilots that attended every year. I taught a class in Handling Qualities and if there was a LSO I have them give a quick briefing on landing on the "boat." I found two things that were very interesting. One, the LSO knew more about the landing than the pilot and two, every landing is graded and becomes a permanent part of the ship's log.
@LineOpsBoy
@LineOpsBoy 5 ай бұрын
Landings are graded but they aren’t part of the ships log…
@brianmankus6133
@brianmankus6133 Жыл бұрын
Reading all these great comments is as interesting as the video itself! To all that served, my deepest thanks for your service!
@simflier8298
@simflier8298 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Something else to talk about is MOVLAS. This is used during extreme pitching deck conditions. The LSO manually positions the Ball where he wants the pilot to be as he predicts deck movements during landing. Great topic to cover.
@tom5256
@tom5256 Жыл бұрын
Manually Operated Visual Landing Aid...I was actually told both that the LSO would use it to show were he wanted the pilot and other LSOs would use it to show were the pilot was. I guess it depended on the Carrier Air Group I don't know for sure.
@simflier8298
@simflier8298 Жыл бұрын
Some pilots would have a centered Ball while the stern rose so high they could see the screws turning. By the time they were In-close, the stern would level out. Ive seen footage of pilots coming in with a super high Ball indicating a Bolter, then catch a three wire. Takes a lot of coordination and skill to operate MOVLAS. Sometimes LSOs would just practice with it and aim pilots to the two wire. They call it the Green Machine because if you fly the way they display the Ball, you get a green, "OK" landing grade
@user-vm5ud4xw6n
@user-vm5ud4xw6n Жыл бұрын
Cool video. Always been fascinated by aircraft carriers and the fay to day activities. Even though I’m not a pilot. Afraid of heights so it’s Terra Firma for me!
@Hey_OverHere
@Hey_OverHere Ай бұрын
Well Done! Very Informative.
@edal61
@edal61 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks!
@johnos4892
@johnos4892 Жыл бұрын
I assume the precision approach path indicator (PAPI) a system of lights used at airports for pilot guidance during landing was an off shoot of this.
@woodsbikes6130
@woodsbikes6130 Жыл бұрын
Very informative video. Thank you for educating us. 🙂
@Lorrdd
@Lorrdd Жыл бұрын
Everything he said was factually inaccurate at best.
@ORGANIZEDCoNfUsioN
@ORGANIZEDCoNfUsioN Жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering that question. Always wondered what they meant by that. Like # 91!!!
@puirYorick
@puirYorick Жыл бұрын
Am I wrong or did the shorthand name "the Ball" derive from the original term *Pickle Ball* for the big green middle light that indicates a correct glide slope? It's entirely possible I was lied to though.
@apaulmcdonough2170
@apaulmcdonough2170 Жыл бұрын
This call also verifies the Aircraft Type and Fuel Weight, to provide for the proper Weight Setting for the Arresting Gear.
@kingnb
@kingnb Жыл бұрын
Were do you get your information at and from?
@egyphon
@egyphon Жыл бұрын
Fascinating, thank you.
@carsten4594
@carsten4594 Жыл бұрын
Would have liked to see actual shots of the "ball" in action.
@glennpittman4993
@glennpittman4993 Ай бұрын
In 25 years flying off and landing on ships, I never said “I have the Ball”. That terminology is not used.
@cjinasia9266
@cjinasia9266 Ай бұрын
These seem very similar to the PAPI lights at airports. Were they developed together?
@levibailey6256
@levibailey6256 Жыл бұрын
They never say "I have a ball", i'll give an example of what pilots actually say when making a ball call. For legacy hornets they would say something like this "110, hornet ball 3.6" They start with their side number then hornet ball and their remaining fuel state in thousands of pounds. If it was a F-14 it would be 110 Tomcat ball 3.6. Then paddles (the LSO) Would say "Roger ball"
@billgrabher444
@billgrabher444 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Primus54
@Primus54 Жыл бұрын
Okay… I have a couple of questions. I assume the arresting cable tension is based upon the aircraft type and weight, which would explain the fuel remaining callout. But at 3/4s of a mile, does that give the deck crew sufficient time to adjust the cable for the fuel weight? Also, what if the landing aircraft is carrying unused or practice ordinance, therefore affecting weight? How does the deck crew know these additional factors? Thanks for the information! 👍👍👍
@levibailey6256
@levibailey6256 Жыл бұрын
@@Primus54 3/4 of a mile is usually when the ball becomes most visible, and also if you look up a case 1 procedure you begin your base turn once your directly Abram to the lso platform, and once your lined up your usually already at 3/4 of a mile and your groove time can begin, pilots need to be in the groove for 18 to 20 seconds no longer or they get a long in groove grade to their landing.
@Primus54
@Primus54 Жыл бұрын
@@levibailey6256 Appreciate the additional info about the 3/4 mile approach.
@levibailey6256
@levibailey6256 Жыл бұрын
@@Primus54 as for the weight of each aircraft, the arresting wire is preset to the MAX trap weight for each aircraft type it is the pilots job to ensure he is below max trap weight, so if that means dumping fuel to loose weight then that's what he has to do.
@kellywilson8440
@kellywilson8440 Жыл бұрын
When the pilot calls the ball it means he is aligned with the meatball a series of lights to help him hopefully land and catch the number 3 wire .
@krashd
@krashd Жыл бұрын
The video just told us all that. Though they left out that interesting name for the FLOLS.
@brett327
@brett327 Жыл бұрын
Not exactly... calling the ball just tells the LSO that you can see the ball, not that you're on glideslope.
@mpetry912
@mpetry912 8 ай бұрын
On a case one approach nothing is said "zip lip" Case 2 and 3 there is a "Roger ball" call, usually followed by fuel state "one dot niner"
@markcraig3702
@markcraig3702 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@fmh357
@fmh357 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I always wondered what the "Ball" was. Now I know.
@carolynthornton8017
@carolynthornton8017 Жыл бұрын
IN MY VIEW Bravo to you for another informative video. I love watching these. Thanks.
@navyproductions
@navyproductions Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@carolynthornton8017
@carolynthornton8017 Жыл бұрын
@@navyproductions IN MY VIEW/ Your welcome.
@bodazaphfa
@bodazaphfa Жыл бұрын
CVN-70 was my home for a long time.
@MrHrannsi
@MrHrannsi Жыл бұрын
I bet the chaps and lass at 3:02 where all thinking "Dang it, wish I was up there!"
@ALPHARICCO875
@ALPHARICCO875 Жыл бұрын
Super vidéo 👍 Thanks
@tommcintyre2963
@tommcintyre2963 Жыл бұрын
Like in "Fresnel" lens the S is silent. I got the ball without the S means it almost time for underwear change. It takes balls to proceed. First trap in my T2J in 63. Thanks for the Website....
@dougadams9419
@dougadams9419 Жыл бұрын
I knew about the glide slope lights, even airports have them in case the radio glide slope fails (ILS), but I didn't know where "the Ball" came from.
@c17nav
@c17nav Жыл бұрын
At airfields that have them, the equivalent for Naval OLS is the Visual Approach Slope Indicator (VASI). It does not need gyro stabilization (obviously), and employs a fixed glide slope for all aircraft types.
@briancooper2112
@briancooper2112 Жыл бұрын
Cool video!
@rectorsquid
@rectorsquid Жыл бұрын
It's like a construction crew: There are a dozen guys all standing there watching the plane land and once it lands, they turn to watch the next plane land. I looks like just one or two of them are doing anything.
@scottmelligan1281
@scottmelligan1281 Жыл бұрын
Each squadron has its own LSO. There are several squadrons. Hence, several LSOs simultaneously. The swap in and out based on whichever LSO's squadron is Manding at any one time. It is best not to have personnel running across the flight deck from the island to the LSO platform during flight ops.
@stephencannon3140
@stephencannon3140 Жыл бұрын
There is also the same set of lights although smaller scale in two locations of the aircraft….1. Cockpit and 2. A-7/FA-18 anyway on the nose landing gear door…..in theory a proper glide slope would show on the IFOLS, cockpit and gear door…..as LSO’s get experience some can tell a proper glide slope by the engine pitch. Another fun fact….when the US Navy and USMC had the Grumman A-6 Intruder….there was a separate version called the EA-6B Prowler…..same basic design but different mission…A6 was attack/airborne tanker and EA-6 was strictly Electronic Warfare. When they were both in service they looked the same from the front…..they had to make a unique marking on the radome of the EA-6B as another aid to indicate EA-6B landing instead of regular attack A-6. Yes radio call signs but still another way….. most LSO’s are qualified to rate landings for all fixed wing aircraft assigned to the air wing. Since with the advancement of the F/A-18 technology and design that pretty much makes only two primary fixed wing aircraft……………..E2/C2-F/A-18….. The C2 is not necessarily assigned to the wing that is more of whatever shows up to the boat first. The C2 is exactly what it says….Cargo….Technically Carrier Offshore Delivery……personnel, equipment, jet engines, ground support equipment, Mail whatever will fit….if it fits it ships…and Yes the C2 is called the “Greyhound” for a reason.
@jon-helgramite2478
@jon-helgramite2478 Жыл бұрын
Lights on the NLG door and cockpit "indexers" indicate Angle of Attack not glideslope. Green = Slow Amber = On Speed Red = Fast
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@halimtalafuka9946 Жыл бұрын
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@akulahawk
@akulahawk Ай бұрын
The lights inside and outside the aircraft are angle of attack indexers. For the pilot, the scan pattern involves 3 things once in the groove: AOA (by indexer), line-up on landing area center line, and the (meat)ball. They don’t look inside at the instrument as reading it takes too long. If you’re seeing only the amber doughnut, you’re at the proper AOA therefore on-speed for landing. The ball is very accurate in showing how close one is to the proper glideslope. Stay on the centerline, keep the ball level with the datum lights and the AOA indexer showing only the doughnut, all the way down to the deck and you’ll likely catch a wire and trap aboard ship. Sounds easy. It isn’t. The flying requires a significant precision not required elsewhere in aviation. Only aviators that land on deck this way need to be this precise in how they land.
@MDMiller60
@MDMiller60 Жыл бұрын
In all the in cockpit carrier landing videos, I have never been able to find the ball.
@MrShortfastloud
@MrShortfastloud Жыл бұрын
Why don't your videos line up with the sound? You have it there but just can't align them together.
@Mushyguy117
@Mushyguy117 Жыл бұрын
0:04 That's all the info I need, have a good day
@albertmontes11
@albertmontes11 Жыл бұрын
Very well explained........Ball
@velavanlaack9134
@velavanlaack9134 Жыл бұрын
why it doesn't hv autoland? the drone can land itself, why not the big fight jets?
@deanoh9980
@deanoh9980 Жыл бұрын
I always wondered what 'i have the ball' meant since i saw top gun in the 80s. Now i know. Cheers.
@skip123davis
@skip123davis Жыл бұрын
the "s" in fresnel lens is silent.
@williamdodge5123
@williamdodge5123 10 ай бұрын
USS FORRESTAL CV-59 82-84 82 Atlantic-Mediterranean-Suez Canal - Indian Ocean. Got close enough to Diego to fly a fallen Shipmate there and back to the states.During the Iranian hostage issue.
@calcmandan
@calcmandan Жыл бұрын
Ahh the vinson at the beginning. I lived on there for two years.
@dswpro
@dswpro Жыл бұрын
Nice content. I always wondered. BTW "Fresnel" is pronounced "Fruh-nel" not fres-nel.
@transtubular
@transtubular Жыл бұрын
I was hoping someone else would have made this comment so I didn't have to.
@erkful
@erkful Жыл бұрын
Fray nel … freinel
@RajanSingh-oe4un
@RajanSingh-oe4un Жыл бұрын
Pronunciation is subjective. It changes with places.
@skiahh
@skiahh Жыл бұрын
@@RajanSingh-oe4un But there is no S in the pronunciation.
@RajanSingh-oe4un
@RajanSingh-oe4un Жыл бұрын
@@skiahh There is no S in "beautyful" either but it's subjective.
@jpreston9212
@jpreston9212 Жыл бұрын
Lots of fun facts and footage. The pronunciation of fresnel however is fruh-NELL, not frez-nell. The "S" is silent.
@johnchamberlain5435
@johnchamberlain5435 Жыл бұрын
The "s" is silent in Fresnel. It's a French name.
@piper0428
@piper0428 Жыл бұрын
How about auto land system???
@dougadams9419
@dougadams9419 Жыл бұрын
Did you also know that the pilot goes to full throttle on touchdown in case he misses all four cables so he can go around.
@pabloottawa
@pabloottawa Жыл бұрын
They don’t say “I have the ball” It goes like this LSO: - Aircraft in the groove (3/4 mile on final), call the ball Pilot on approach: - 416 (aircraft number), hornet ball (I see the ball and adjusting accordingly for landing), 4.6 (the amount of fuel the aircraft has remaining) If flight lead is approaching carrier they always call out “HOLDING HANDS WITH 416, LOW STATE 4.6” Aircraft lowest on fuel lands first, not flight lead.
@bjmcguire2031
@bjmcguire2031 6 ай бұрын
Flew off and on carriers bunches. Instrction from the LSO was, “call the ball”. Pilots response was “roger, ball”.
@anitasmith4559
@anitasmith4559 3 ай бұрын
"Impressive?" It is as amazing as heck how pilots take off and land on moving aircraft carriers. I feel as if I'm watching the impossible get done. The surgical precision required to perform such a maneuver has me on the edge of my seat. Even when a pilot aborts a landing, that's a hair-raiser too. Go Navy!
@worakulkhonglaithong9555
@worakulkhonglaithong9555 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, … I have wondered since I watched Top Gun why Maverick said “ Maverick has the ball” before he land the plane … Thank you 😁😁
@Hairysteed
@Hairysteed Жыл бұрын
Except that's not how ball calls are said. It's tail number, type of aircraft, "ball" and remaining fuel in thousands of pounds. For example: "201, Hornet ball, 4.1" If the pilot cannot see the the meatball he calls "Clara"
@dejfcold
@dejfcold Жыл бұрын
Did you know the "s" in Fresnel is silent?
@michaelvachon1334
@michaelvachon1334 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating!
@philchurch1115
@philchurch1115 Жыл бұрын
U.S. Navy 1982 to 1988 VS-41 and VS-33 AZ2 and I worked the flight deck as a brown shirt plane captain on the USS Ranger CV-61 Jul 83 to Feb 84 west pac and in maintenance control on the USS Kitty Hawk CV-63 1985 west pac then shore duty and I would do it again but for 20 because it was great running around the flight deck during flight opps.
@WarHoover
@WarHoover Жыл бұрын
Long Live The Hoov! VS-41, VS-32, SCWS
@tomperock1615
@tomperock1615 Жыл бұрын
I have a USS Ranger Hat given to me from my brother who got it from a Friend at his Job .
@tomperock1615
@tomperock1615 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what Night Ops are like . ? Or a Pitching Carrier ? Wow .
@keirfarnum6811
@keirfarnum6811 Жыл бұрын
The “s” In fresnel is silent; i.e., it sounds like “fren-nell.”
@mattbrown817
@mattbrown817 Жыл бұрын
very cool
@MacDaddyRico
@MacDaddyRico Жыл бұрын
My carrier's a museum in San Diego... ICFN Electric Gyrocompass Technician USS MIDWAY CV-41...
@beauusa11
@beauusa11 Жыл бұрын
Amazing!!!👍
@Then.72
@Then.72 Жыл бұрын
Who ?
@av8ionUSMC
@av8ionUSMC Жыл бұрын
As a military air traffic controller who did many many GCAs, all I ever heard was “BALL.” What’s with all the excess verbiage, “I have the”? Just teasing , but good video of the history
@eye4thesky
@eye4thesky 11 ай бұрын
Naval Aviators are different than Naval Pilots. Pilots navigate ships. Aviators fly the planes. But I understand the use. Great video. Very good job.
@Bynggo
@Bynggo Жыл бұрын
A similar lighting system is used when bringing yachts into dock lands. You have the correct line if the lights merge to one. Brilliant system.
@rvnmedic1968
@rvnmedic1968 Жыл бұрын
I have the Ball concept! Excellent teaching lesson for us desk-bound aviators. Cheers, Bob
@randybazemore3562
@randybazemore3562 Жыл бұрын
Unless things have changed, pilots say "Roger ball" then state their fuel level.
@Tonetwisters
@Tonetwisters Жыл бұрын
Probably because they reach a point where the "ball" is in their court and they are on their own to get the aircraft on the deck.
@thomasroblee
@thomasroblee Жыл бұрын
Civilian airport's. Small and large. And. The. Towers. Have. Emergency lights. And light colors. They work the same way. ?
@kathyyoung9539
@kathyyoung9539 Жыл бұрын
That was Kool. Thank's now I know what that mean's. 😏
@Solo6R
@Solo6R 7 ай бұрын
I've watched hundreds of hours of naval flight operation videos and don't think I've ever once heard them say "I have the ball" 🤣 "Hornet ball" or "Tomcat ball" on the other hand....
@dave5833
@dave5833 Жыл бұрын
No easy task landing on an Air Craft Carrier.
@hirameberhardt8643
@hirameberhardt8643 Жыл бұрын
YES WE DO HAVE THE BALLS SINCE WW2
@Harry-rj6kh
@Harry-rj6kh Жыл бұрын
I can relate to that. I was born with only one ball.
@stevenpistole6557
@stevenpistole6557 Жыл бұрын
I had a coworker with one ball too. We called him Uniball.
@philslaton7302
@philslaton7302 Жыл бұрын
As a carrier based Naval Aviator, I flew the ball man ytimes. Like other Naval Aviators, I owe my life to LSOs.
@zzz7zzz9
@zzz7zzz9 Жыл бұрын
there actually saying "i have the balls", but the s is silent when on the water.
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