Rebel Moon: How NOT to Write a Space Opera

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Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon was a hot mess, but why did does it fail where other sci-fi films succeed?
Also, apologies for some of the rough editing. It took a lot of work to get this video past the copyright bots.
Intro: 00:00
Part I: I Think I've Heard This Story Before: 03:03
Part II: World-Borrowing Instead of Worldbuilding: 07:30
Part III: Exposition: The Movie!: 10:08
Part IV: The Dull Dozen: 16:34
Part V: I Say Some Nice Things: 23:33
Part VI: Release the Snyder Cut! Again: 24:38
Part VII: So, What Do I Think?: 26:51
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@elin111 3 ай бұрын

Directors using "oh a Director's Cut is coming" to justify bad movies is a bad trend that needs to not happen.

@thomaswrites 3 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@codinghusky5196 3 ай бұрын

The trend was, IMHO; started by The Hobbit movies which deliberately left loose ends in the narrative to compel the people to see the Director's cut. My own little crusade was not to see the director's cut at all; not even pirated; and I haven't seen a single director's cut since. I know they lost just a few bucks per movie; but I'd like to think A GOOD DAMN LOT OF US went the same way and didn't give them the few bucks. Our wallets are the ONLY power we have over them, and we should exercise it.

@elin111 3 ай бұрын

@@codinghusky5196 Considering the Justice League director's cut was 2 extra hours of pointless padding, info dumps, a stupid amount of slow-mo, and sequel baiting for sequels that Snyder knew well ahead of time were not gonna happen, I have no expectation that Rebel Moon would be any better with a director cut.

@yurikendal4868 3 ай бұрын

I Saw the directors cut of the justice league. Fast forwarded through most of it and missed nothing. Pretentious as all get out@@codinghusky5196

@bestlexluthor7596 25 күн бұрын

But how can anyone actually hate any film or a director ? 😂

@the_garrett 3 ай бұрын

All along, the solution to franchise fatigue was to make a franchise no one would get invested in in the first place. Bravo, Zach.

@thomaswrites 3 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@hubertushostihayuanta8873 21 күн бұрын

Kora: I was taught that love was weakness. Also Kora: At the academy they encouraged us to find a lover. Me: Okay.

@thomaswrites 21 күн бұрын

Hadn't even thought about that!🤣🤣🤣

@jonahfalcon1970 3 ай бұрын

The movies that have good famous lines HE DIDN'T WRITE, DUDE.

@thomaswrites 3 ай бұрын

In the case of 300, Snyder directed it and also co-wrote it with Kurt Johnstad and Michael B. Gordon. At least for that movie specifically, he deserves some of the credit for the writing.

@jonahfalcon1970 3 ай бұрын

@@thomaswrites Snyder just recreated the graphic novel shot for shot.

@GonzoIsCool 9 күн бұрын

Yeah, I just checked and the most famous scene is directly taken from the Frank Miller Comic. So credit for the entire This is Sparta scene goes directly to Frank Miller.

@jamesp.7203 2 ай бұрын

Imagine having a script that even Disney Lucasfilm passed on haha

@thomaswrites 2 ай бұрын

For real! 😅

@d.j.mulcahy1657 2 күн бұрын

Watching Rebel Moon takes me back to my first attempts at writing. As a kid, I made all these same worldbuilding and character mistakes and it took a lot of work, as well as good friends, to figure out my work. And it’s safe to say I’ll avoid the flaws of Rebel Moon with my own sci-fi story.

@auxilirious 3 ай бұрын

The story seems to be a mile wide but an inch deep. Great breakdown as always g

@thomaswrites 3 ай бұрын

Thanks man! And yes, I think that summarizes it pretty well. 😅

@tylerskiss 2 ай бұрын

Yes, he “reworked” the Star Wars script it was called “find and replace” with names and locations and everything else remained the same.

@thomaswrites 2 ай бұрын

Pretty much...😆

@yessirde Ай бұрын

LOLLLL

@doberski6855 3 ай бұрын

Excellent breakdown of what made Rebel Moon so bad and not worth a watch. Thanks Thomas, very nice to have you uploading again!

@thomaswrites 3 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad to be back and excited to expand my content to include whatever scifi/fantasy media I want to discuss. 😁

@omegaminoseer4539 2 ай бұрын

My largest complaint with Snyder is his incessant desire to write AND direct his films. He cannot exposit to save his life. His characters are usually flat, without gratuitous time to flesh them out (which a superior director needs none). I think that what he needs is a Christopher Nolan-type to write the script and beat him over the head with rejections. Reigning in that creativity allowed him to make his best work, as the scripts are given time to actually demonstrate MOST of what is said.

@thomaswrites 2 ай бұрын

I agree. I think he's much better in a cinematographer role than as a writer or director of actors. Man of Steel is one of his better films because he directed it but it was produced by Nolan and written by David S. Goyer.

@nihilismistheonlyway4680 23 күн бұрын

This video deserves way more likes!

@thomaswrites 23 күн бұрын

Thanks! 😁

@Skaiser_Wilhelm7938 15 күн бұрын

I'll be honest. The idea of being encouraged to find love and to form a closer bond and motivation in war is a good idea, on paper, not in execution, just on paper.

@thomaswrites 15 күн бұрын

Yes, there are even examples of that being done in real-world history (ex. The Spartans). However, you can't have the same character say, "I was taught love is weakness" while also saying, "they encouraged us to find a lover."

@theroguerider 24 күн бұрын

Larry Fong Has been his cinematographer the whole time until that Army Of The Dead mess. The thing I like to say, “They aren’t Space Nazis, they are literally Nazi’s IN Space”. I have been saying for a long time that Zack is a visual director that creates a painting in a frame, but what the frames are saying is a total waste of time.

@elphbwckd212 15 күн бұрын

The fact that ive never heard Zack talk about any of these characters he has been supposedly in love with and working for over a decade in any way betond their physical attributes and the most generic one word description if their role is very telling that there will be no more depth with another hoir of footage. Even he has no clue who these characters are.

@thomaswrites 15 күн бұрын

Agreed. I think my favorite statement from him is, "Tarak....his character doesn't own a shirt." 😆

@yilz123 3 ай бұрын

How doesn’t this channel have a million views! This was awesome

@thomaswrites 3 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video! 😁

@ebransc09 16 күн бұрын

Did he make his pitch before or after the Mandalorian did the same angle?

@thomaswrites 15 күн бұрын

I would assume before since he made the pitch pretty soon after Disney bought Lucasfilm. However, The Clone Wars did the whole "Seven Samurai Meets Star Wars" years before Disney bought Lucasfilm.

@7rob27 Ай бұрын

Director’s Cut is gonna surprise everyone. It’s going to be 45 minutes shorter. Zack Snyder is gonna speed up a good part of the slow motion sequences into normal speed. And the Snyder Cut legend lives on.

@thomaswrites Ай бұрын

I would genuinely watch this version. 😂

@thanktink4328 16 күн бұрын

You can see the disappointment on Sophias one-expression face...and she has the sloppiest fighting style ever. These actors must have been desperate for work...

@thomaswrites 16 күн бұрын

Yeah, she's not a terrible actress, but between this and The Mummy (2017) she has not landed the best roles.

@SchulzEricT 14 күн бұрын

That "awesome fight scene" looked pretty terrible to me; too much cutting, hard to tell what's going on, and some of the cuts crossed the frame in a way that made it even harder to follow. At least it was in a terrible movie?

@yurikendal4868 3 ай бұрын

I'm just find synder over rated. He clearly wants to tell a story but substitutes visuals for good writing

@thomaswrites 3 ай бұрын

Yeah that's why I'm pretty split on his movies overall. I think he's one of those directors who needs some good writers backing him up so that he doesn't get lost in all of his Snyderisms.

@SchulzEricT 14 күн бұрын

Yeah, but they're bad visuals, so...

@absolutelyabsolute4671 2 ай бұрын

It's funny how Zack Snyder fans think they are the superior type of audiences just because they detest Disney and Marvel.

@thomaswrites 2 ай бұрын

Yeah I've never been a fan of that kind of discourse. I can criticize Disney, Marvel and Snyder equally without it being a competition.

@IzzysTravelDiaries 16 күн бұрын

I think the problem with Snyder is that he's not a good writer and storyteller. Also he should have someone stopping him from putting empty pretty pictures and slow motion into everything. Basically, he shouldn't be left to his own devices, because he's not that good. There is a very small set of things he does well, but he's terrible in a long list od things.

@thomaswrites 15 күн бұрын

Pretty fair assessment.

@kaykutcher2103 5 күн бұрын

Studio interference can be helpful at times.

@dzhellek 3 күн бұрын

Snyder cutting is easy. Just go back to the editing room and insert stuff you've already shot. It's a cheap way to get more audience money without any real work.

@yurikendal4868 3 ай бұрын

You enjoyed the "ehhhhpic" 4 hour empty mess of the justice league?

@thomaswrites 3 ай бұрын

I did, though to be fair a lot of my enjoyment stems from the fact that I couldn't stand the theatrical version. I like the characters, the story, and the action of the Snyder Cut even if it is admittedly bloated in its runtime. Definitely get why its not everyone's cup of tea.

@Hammern28 Ай бұрын

This movie has some of the most useless slow motion scenes, I have ever seen. And they are not short, they are friggin long. And there is lotsa yelling and shouting. I can only imagine the dialogue writing came up even shorter than the crap they managed to keep in. Oh, and I was thinking more " Battle Beyond The Stars " but 7 Samurai, yeah, makes sense.

@thomaswrites Ай бұрын

Yeah it's pretty self-indulgent 😅

@MysteryBounty 2 ай бұрын

Snyder is ok, up his own ass and not a great writer. 300 was amazing, I liked Watchmen, Man of Steel was great for me, BvS was ok, his Justice league was good but waaaayyy too long and had some terrible writing. Too much slow motion, too much bad writing, fantastic visuals. Thats him in a nutshell

@thomaswrites 2 ай бұрын

I think that pretty much sums it up. 😅

@theworld5937 26 күн бұрын

Snyder becomes Zoolander when he makes movies. Empty and devoid of logic and no substance and all flash. And all slow mo. 300 and Justice League DC was good though. Blind luck it seems.

@thomaswrites 26 күн бұрын

Yeah...😅 I like some of his visuals, but that can only carry you so far without good writing.

@raminybhatti5740 Ай бұрын

300 and MoS were beautiful IMO. The others... nah, I'm ok. 😅😁

@thomaswrites Ай бұрын

Can definitely understand that sentiment. 😆

@AMore429 18 күн бұрын

Sounds like a Zach fan.

@Quantum-tv-please-get-a-job Ай бұрын

According to Zack Rebel Moon was existed for about 20 years and got rejected multiple times until he met Netflix. Maybe if his dumbass used those 20 years on why they actually rejected his movie it he wouldn’t have gotten the hate he’s getting now

@thomaswrites Ай бұрын

Crazy how you could sit on a script for twenty years and it still reads like a first draft. 😅

@kaykutcher2103 5 күн бұрын

Every 20 years 20 seconds pass for Zack Snyder.

@thomaswrites 5 күн бұрын

🤣🤣🤣