that's pretty much the plot of the trisolaris trilogy

​@@guybrushthreepwood4758 Ah, the 3 body problem.

Well said. I wish certain kinds of people would SEE this. Sure fuck up the world for the rest of us dickhead. Probably the lowest, selfish gesture or lowest vibration anyone can function.. "ruin something not only for yourself but ultimately for everyone else who shouldn't have to deal with the wickeds consequences. "❤❤❤

And this is why we need warp drives

Need? Hahaha. Not possible, sorry. Not ever.

I'm imagining that a lot of scary cults etc could end up out there too. I'd argue that that's even worse, or even more interesting in an RPG. Imagine a religious colony turning ever more hostile and cultlike until they go full crazy mode, attacking all their neighbours for no good reason.

​@@sharniek002I've got an idea on the backburner for a crusader fleet that emerges to bust human rights violations among scattered habs. imagine the horrors of human trafficking in space, or the possibility of people mills etc. etc.

I'm working on one that also includes space wizards, if that helps.

That was pretty much act 1 of Bruce Sterling's famous Schismatrix series. An Interzone of run down and abandoned O'Neills in orbit of backwater Earth.

My EXACT thought. Then I went down the mental rabbit hole of trying to figure out which system I would use.. :)

Hello there

*coughs lung up* General Kenobi 💀

How's the temperatures up there? Livable?

Let me know what grilled Wampa tastes like...

@@e.h.4933 Tough and fatty, like Bear id say.

I don't see authoritarian "we want to control you for 'interstellar empire' reasons" too many star systems, too much space/time lag (even if your FTL was 10x c). I imagine such 'empires' would only be held together via some intellectual/cultural (IE music/language/food recipes) trade, not the authoritarian ones...Again FAR TOO EASY for rebel colonies to tell the empire to "f off" and build their own empire with enough destructive force to wipe out all life on all the planets in multiple star systems. HOW do you (as a Kardeshev II empire) manage to counter such force, without using the megastructure weapons SFIA covers...one that would require entire star systems or more of resources...Even the most 'remote' logic doesn't support this mindset.

@@djdrack4681 I mean, obviously FTL10x is nothing to get THAT excited over, you'd need something like a portal network or FTL 1,000,000x like we see in Star Wars. But as you might have guessed by that factor I used -- imagine what a calamity that would be to galactic politics, as it were. As to why an empire would do something like that instead of chilling in their home system, political reasons, almost certainly. And to be fair, that is a pretty good pitch, especially if you're experiencing a Trantor-like situation. 'I will unite all of our fractured kin under our banner, for the glory of New Gaia'.

@@maltheopia Political motives 'erhaps... But I'd strongly advise looking at near-future 'likely' tech advancements that will be paradigm shifts. - Biologic immortality via digital mind storage/backup/transfer The empire wouldn't likely have 'just their home system'...unless it was the very beginning of the empire: more likely they'd have 100s of system. Look at star #s near our system: within 50ly only like 200-300 stars: but go out to 300/500/2000ly...and the number of stars is exponential. When people "Don't die" cuz you can transfer into a clone, or artificial body...which any K1/K2 civilization is likely to be capable of for sustained interstellar efforts...Time doesn't matter. 10x FTL is more than plenty. Outlying colony 1000ly out from core system? only 100yrs to send a fleet there. You'd only need 1 clone/mind transfer in that time (If they don't discover some digital stasis). Politics could certainly be maintained with the squabbles and BS we deal with now...or just plain hegemonic efforts: ...but when the people in charge AND the people they're oppressing don't die...and they're bank accounts all keep getting bigger: well its not the 'rich vs poor' 'powerful vs not powerful'. its like a god vs demi-god scenario: not guaranteed win for either. It also implies what 'drives us' is still the same: and that is wildly unlikely bcuz of the aforementioned biologic immortality: we plan/worry/make decisions based on worries of our limited time, our limited 'youth', our careers (bcuz we only have X yrs to learn a subject well). None of these variables really matter in general anymore when even the 'peasants' live for 1000s to millions of years.

@@djdrack4681 "We are putting up a relay in your system, you may join our empire, remain neutral, or be destroyed." would work. You just have to be willing to eliminate the colonies entirely if they become hostile. The planetary scale equivalent would be if the English Empire of the age of sail used the cold war MAD doctrine (nukes included) to maintain control of their empire.

You would like Legends Battletech.

40K is one if the few SciFi setting that get the hugeness of space right... and even then it still often makes numbers way to small. And then there's all the magic stuff... but that's the fun for story telling.

@@RipOffProductionsLLC I wish we could have a universe as elaborate and vast, but less, y'know...horrible.

@arcadiaberger9204 Old Star Wars EU was pretty fleshed out. Sure, there were a few consistency issues, but compared to 40K's own issues with consistency it was borderline flawless. Also, on that topic, I highly recommend AFanWithTooMuchTime's Star Wars vs Warhammer 40K fanfic audiobook series here on KZfaq, easily some of the best writing for either franchise in decades.

@@RipOffProductionsLLC Is that the one that starts with Thrawn's assessment of the 40K Imperium fleet's behavior and home?

@@RipOffProductionsLLC Sounds like fun, but both 40K and *_Star Wars_* suffer from FTL, of course. I'd like to see, actually, a refried version of the first 20 years of *_Buck Rogers in the 25th Century,_* which took place entirely inside our Solar System, with wars between Earth and our Jovian allies against the aggressors, the Tigermen of Mars. I'm thinking the Tigermen and the Jovians could be genetically engineered variant forms created in the late 21st/early 22nd Century. Buck himself might be the subject of a 2030s hibernation experiment, a 1970s cryogenic revival, or even the original World War One fighter pilot, preserved by some peculiar combination of gases in a cave.

New software, new designs for the 3d printers--including new medicines for the molecular printer, new chemistry. Lots of things that are data only and can be transmitted by laser.

​@@thekaxmaxSorry, when I said "communications" it wasn't in the radio/television sense. It was in the logistics sense: physically trucking items around. Let's assume we have a settlement that is 48 light years away, around a solar twin called 58 Scorpii. It's a star that is nearly the same mass as Sol, with the same metallicity, but it is 1 billion years younger. While the expedition did discover an Earth-like world, it made far more sense to remain in orbit and harvest the asteroids and minor planetesimals in the system. Earth has many things to trade that are relatively lightweight and compact: new books, antiques, vintage wine and liquor. But what would the remote settlements have to trade? In a system that is 1 billion years younger, radioactive isotopes are probably more abundant. Let us assume they hit the jackpot and discovered deposits of some sort of unobtanium that has completely decayed away in the Sol system. Communicating that discovery would take a literal lifetime. 48 years for a message home, and 48 years for a reply. Anyone who was alive at the time of the discovery would be long dead before negotiations could even begin. Assuming a trade mission is dispatched, anyone on board is in for a one-way trip. Ships can economically get up to around 50% of light speed. The trip for those on board is ~20 years. Someone could, with a healthy lifestyle, even do a round trip in about 40 years (assuming a return vessel is built and ready to go.) But on their return, 96 years have gone buy. Anyone they knew is dead. Any business relationships they had are basically the stuff of legend, probably requiring an archelogical expedition to recover the records. Travelling between systems would be considered a sort of cultural pilgrimage. The sort of pilgrimage that is done once in a lifetime, with the expectation that pilgrims would never return home. Robot craft could be sent instead, but you still have the problem of shipments arriving a century after they were ordered. If they were ordered. You'd have a lot of convoys just showing up, with nobody remembering quite what the reason was.

@@seanwoods647 That too. But empires work on communication speed limits not freight.

@@thekaxmax But empires are established at the speed of freight. No invading army, no Imperial conquest.

@seanwoods647 Have you considered life extension? If they have technology for such distant travels, maybe they could also have a way to extend a person's life.

war is confusion

Unless you want to count that Rome and Carthage never signed a peace treaty at tge end of the Third Punic War, until the mayors of the two modern cities decided to make one as mostly a joke...

I can think of a group that is still technically in a forever silent war where they do nothing but undermine countries to advance themselves, while using diplomacy to keep others from attacking them. Speech 100 checks in perpetuity.

Supply lines are artificially constricted and governments spent untold trillions putting money into corporations, while destroying smaller companies that didn't grease the palms of said governments. How did it go from cheap and excessive to crippling shortages and massive costs inside a year?

entropy abides

@@dansmith1661 Can explain that one: China's government had delayed reporting of the virus, opting to hide it for as long as possible, and during that time they had been covertly buying up and hoarding supplies. Either for their own needs, or to re-sell at marked up prices without any regard for others.

Yeah this is why it irritates me when people claim economics says we should have unlimited free trade with no protectionism. Economics is a science, and science is descriptive, not prescriptive. Physics does not tell you how to build an engine. An engine can certainly have redundant parts and inefficiencies if you want it to be reliable. Not every car should be an F1 racer. The sad thing is we have had this problem before. People believed that by having strong alliances between countries, war would be impossible. We got World War 1 as a result. People say the same thing about "economic interdependence," yet we end up with countries hoarding medical supplies while others go without since they no longer produce basic medicine. A stable building can be built on pillars which stand on their own. But no building should fall due to a single member being removed. I blame the midwit trap. People get a little bit of information like, "this is more efficient" and they think they have every problem in the world solved.

​@@dansmith1661They always intended to reduce the carbon that is you. They just moved the time table up a little bit due to someone rocking the boat. By locking people in their homes they can blame their opponents for wrecking the economy, and by letting people go back to work they can claim they created the most jobs in history.

Branches of companies.

So like the wild west? Except there's no pacific coast to reach.

And no government.

​@@lgjm5562so almost no end to the frontier

Sieg Zeon! Much as I like how the series goes from simple good White guys against literal nachos that are denied a voice in government, to an oppressive government that silences its colonies with violence and those nachos keep coming back.

​@@dansmith1661since when are nachos a sentient race

@@TS-jm7jm sounds like that's nacho business.

I've been watching since the early days and I'm still continually impressed and pleased by the breadth and depths of what is covered and always giving me something new and neat to ponder.

A "science" teacher.. What's the science?

I am a biology instructor at a community college. I have spent most of my career teaching anatomy & physiology and genetics. @@Vlamyncksken

The Algorithm has its missiles.

In my upcoming books/rpg interstellar development actually comes about because two major powers quickly discovered the futility of space combat, and decided instead to try to hem each other in by planting their flags in increasingly distant star systems. Basically inspired by the real-life race to the moon.

Governments can't even control their own populations without using force and private individuals are the driving force of a state's power. It is much easier to expand when those tax dollars are spent getting people into new living space instead of spreading Democracy with warships and red tape.

Inhabited sure, but certainly not full.

But we are facing more simply situations to those terraformed extroplanets, because many of them are belong ing to galactic council members. In other words, those indigenous people like Maori on the earth are advanced civilizations on the other extroplanets, we are not advanced enough to colony of the settlements as galactic civilization level, but ongoing space development process.

And Dublin.

They weren't aiming at Australia, FWIW. They were aiming at, Jaburo, I think, but the it got shunted off-course.

@@Duchess_Van_Hoof And the American midwest, in Operation Stardust.

Successful axis drop

Ah the existential dread of Space Capitalism

Could work if you have continuous travel between colonies, in additional to trade, with laser comms for updates. Expensive, but so were Roman roads and they had that purpose.

Without ftl, the relationship between the colonies and earth would be similar to that of Britain and north America in the 1600s. Sure, there could be rebel colonies, but there could also be the equivalents of Canada, which never really rebelled on its own. It's likely the two would be able to coexist.

This is random animations from the internet.

​@@vengefulone6282I'm pretty sure not all of it is. He has a team.

@@vengefulone6282 I even wonder if Isaac Arthur gave his approval for some of the images. I doubt he would have approved the asteroid-cloud at 9:20.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Interstellar Tea Party?

Imagine depositing tea into a planetary atmosphere, make it rain tea. Or red Powerade if you want to be mean.

Kircheis 😢

@@michaelhoule2134if only Kircheis was here

lol

Thanks brother, I'm guessing it was probably a typo that I let autocorrect suggest something without paying much attention When you write several thousand words a week the editing phase can get a bit rushed :)

“Muh Ideals” - this expression indicates a Zeon’s confusion and lack of understanding.

They had no voice in their Earth government. That is enough understanding.@@bentwineham1986

HAIL ZEON!!!

Interstellar confederation is more accepted by modern galactic members, including our Sol system.

Well, the imperium bureaucracy just forgets some planets exist.

Interstellar colonization doesn't require any kind of large-scale organization tho so im not sure how this factors into the FP. Maybe prevents interstellar empires, but you don't need interstellar or even system-wide hegemonies to do interstellar colonization.

@@AndrewStevens-cd5jr Its how it should be everywhere all the time

I was thinking the same thing. Lol

Reminds me - wasn't one of the conclusions from the Battle in the Darkness that once someone leaves the solar system, since they can no longer be trusted due to chains of suspicion, they are effectively aliens to Sol-bound humanity? Arguably no longer even "human" to those still on Earth? Later on in Death's End Gravity and Blue Space somewhat disprove this notion, but it's still interesting (and uncomfortable) food for thought.

I was thinking of how to add any idea from this I could into a Traveller campaign.