And almost all south America

Off and on in the 18th century as well. My aunt is more the French (and English) history buff, but anytime someone says something is set in "the French Revolution", she's like, "which one?"

@@octapusxft South America, Africa, Central & SE Asia... Although it's hard with all of those to say how much was internal cycles of rebellion, and how much was corruption by outside forces. Lot of proxy wars have been fought in post-colonial lands.

Cough, cough *Disney star wars* cough, cough

It's called the Long 19th Century for a reason

La resistance is standing up against the Naz- I mean the oppressive regime. Join them now

RIGHT!? Thats so stupid! I mean sure, common revolts that just sprout up out of desperation are one thing to be nameless, but the rebellions we see so often arent just random rioters or revolters, they are actually fully organized rebellions! The hilarious thing is that The Rebel Alliance technically gets away with it because, well, its an alliance of different rebel groups from across the galaxy pitching in to support the war effort.

@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 The Rebel Alliance isn't their proper name though. Their proper name isn't mentioned in the Original Trilogy. The Alliance to Restore the Republic

@@zoesequeira5388 Are we sure that this isn't just a retcon? Because George and many Star Wars writers make a lot of things up.

@@balabanasireti It's in cannon and legends, whether it's a retcon or not I can't say. Not sure anyone can tell at this point

milktoast

milquetoast

milktoast, now there’s a new insult i can use “but v, don’t you mean milquetoast?” “no, shut it, milktoast”

Hehe, milktoast?

I suspect that comes from a combination of the fact that the video mentions of people not wanting to get too "political" about it but also... Most of the people writing about these fictional rebellions are probably at least relatively comfortable inhabitants of rich Western countries. Even most of us posting here in this comments section *probably* haven't experienced the cruel reality of living under the rule of an oppressive government that kills those who oppose it. Most of us don't really have experiences comparable to the common people of 18th-century France, 1979 Iran, or 1917 Russia. We probably don't have much real connection to the hard existence of a starving French peasant or an Iranian dissident who got thrown in jail by the Shah's secret police. Most of us don't understand that potent combination of anger and desperation that spurs revolutions. Most of us haven't been in the position of having to fight for a chance at liberation from tyranny even when we face the significant possibility of our own deaths.

I am waiting for a show that happens after ROTJ that focuses on that. See the building of the New Republic. There could even be split with the First order slowly building in the back ground. Like we know in the Madalorian that lots of stormtrooper bases are still around.

The Legends novels and comics show this really well I feel like. Hell, there was even a point when the New Republic and the Empire came to a cease fire with their own portions of the Galaxy, with non force users in charge of both. Seriously, the Emporer position was held by a former Naval officer that was by all accounts a decent guy.

Honestly, this would have better natural sequence of events rather than the glorified fanfic that was made

Disney is the evil empire at this point. They had to spew propaganda instead of showing how to build democracy.

That would be an interesting concept with fighting between more Left-wing parts of the rebellion fighting liberals and then competition between the theocratic Jedi and a secular government.

Right? No need to acknowledge inconvenient things like war crime trials, the monumental task of reforming an authoritarian regime to a more democratic system, restoring law and order in any meaningful way, or least of all dealing with international factionalism.

@@aarondevaldez9134 Or the possibility of the rebellion continuing that same system, just with different victims and meaning of words.

Until he comes back from the dead thru cloning and dark magic.

Maybe they really ARE lizard people, and they operate on a hive mind!

like when a dungeon collapses because the final boss was propping up the ceiling

I thought they were equipped with "being told they're the good guys"?

Yeah them always having the main characters on their side really helps them out in their endlessly waged wars

That could be ok, if it’s supplied from somewhere

And Ewoks.

@@juansantos-lq2kz ah roving death teddy bears with their doom spears seriously those mother fuckin' spears hurt! go play hunt on endor with sw battlefront

I had a story idea years ago with the super dumbed down basic story explanation being: "The evil empire is just trying to balance the needs of all different groups and combating corruption while the heroic rebels run drugs, steal shit, do epic terrorist missions and get into regular hijinks. Will the super evil General be able to defeat them or will the ragtag group of rebels accidentally kill millions while caring more about a love triangle than the water supply of a country? Tune in next week to find out!"

@@KorianHUNActually that sounds like a really compelling deconstruction that could reflect and make you rethink rebels vs evil empire tropes. Sort of like how the empire is Star Wars is supposedly evil but is really taking it down the right call? Considering the power vacuum and the consequences of taking out a central government that maintains order and makes everything run smoothly (no matter how corrupt they are) potentially causes the universe/world/country to fall into anarchy. It’s an interesting take to question if fighting against the oppressive government is even viable in the first place. It questions rebellions and the moral actions of the rebellion. Considering they are taking out a functioning government that they might be ill equipped to replace in the first place, while leaving behind untold death and destruction that has a major impact on average citizens. You might even express the general distain for rebellion in the general public

​@@KorianHUNActually pretty creative.

Not that Many

​@@kaliyuga1476Only 9 out of 11 layers.

I see you've been reading Empress Theresa 🤣🤣🤣

And how she always use that pinning move consisting in putting her legs around the bad guy's neck & spin around it.

Jyn Erso atleast had plenty of combat experience during her time with Saw Guerrera and his partisans

@@HangryOnPaws We do not speak of that abomination here!

@@HangryOnPaws Maria Theresa? the....Habsburg one?

*Palestinians:* same 😞

"A rebellion is only illegal if you fail."

Americans: Same

The Poles are based. Having the unique historical perspective of living under both the Not-see, and communist rulings, and they reject BOTH says something to me.

Indonesian here, yup, that's how the Dutch called Indonesian freedom fighters as "extremists" to make them look bad. Took a whole decade of war of attrition until the Dutch run out of money and left.

I am thinking about dropping out of school to focus on my career as a star on KZfaq. I already make a lot of money on KZfaq. School bores me so much. I need more opinions and since I don't have any friends, I gotta ask you, z

@@AxxLAfriku do KZfaq as a hobby and jump in if you make enough off it to do it as a job

@@ZontarDow Dude's a spam commenter that does a bunch of BS comments to try and get people to click on his channel.

@@leemurweeks ah, see I wasn't aware of this type of spam because I never click on people's channels

That is true!

Problem: There are a lot of legitimately awful ideologies that have suckered people over to them that NEED to have their guts shown so people can recognize it in their own society, i.e. fascism and "Anarcho"-Capitalism.

@@CrowTR0bot I was being sarcastic, TWA style.

@@CrowTR0bot i mean at that point you COULD just say "blah blah blah this story has me soapboxing about how the ideology that i personally agree with and is somewhat ok in practice is the best thing ever and vice versa", cuz if you're gonna dump politics into a story instead of making a post on social media, might as well let other people have fun soapboxing as well

@@CrowTR0bot Whatever you say, communist.

@@CrowTR0bot The sad thing is you don't realize the irony of your comment. Got right up on your soapbox lol. But I suppose it serves the point that revolutionaries usually lack a sense of self-awareness, which ultimately leads to them becoming what they once fought once power is within their grasp. Suddenly comrades become vicious competitors when the spoils are to be distributed and they realize that they have differences regarding the specifics of their ideology. It's even worse when the rebels weren't united by a common goal, but rather a common enemy.

And the reasons why they have more people on their side is because them beating you down but giving you slightly above the requirement for life if you betray your species,plus having the bonus of only impossible chances of survival outside of the cities.and when your too far into their side your changed into a dime a dozen emotionless soldier without memories before the combine.

Yeah the HL2 Resistance is the best fictional rebellion imo

@@missingtexturez Honestly after Nova 6, you don't see a whole lot of Metro Cops, I imagine most just joined the rebellion

That's also political, rebelling against the current order is most certainly political. Political philosophy is about who gets what and how much of it, the combine are the ones who determine that, as such, they are a political entity.

But every rebellion needs a love triangle!

1984?

@@paulenan9636 That's more like the government making it up as part of propoganda, isn't it? I was thinking more, it's not really being made up by anyone, it's really just a big misunderstanding, and played for comedy.

Well we had earlier this year anti lockdown riots in the Netherlands, but it turned out it were in the majority just people who wanted to riot and loot.

@@firockfinion3326 eh, kinda. IIRC, nobody, not even government big-wigs, knows whether the rebellion, or big Brother, actually exists, as nobody dares to ask any question that would get them on the bad side of the system. But yeah, it is not very comedic, that's for sure

just mass hysteria over a desired insurrection? that'd be brilliant.

"Mah Freedumbs includes having the freedumb to take away your freedom!" "NUH UNH!" "How dare you infringe my Freedumb! You're just like the Evil Empire, I will destroy you!"

It's not too far off what happened in both Syria and Afghanistan (after the Soviet retreat).

@@ANWRocketMan Yep the US revolution was on of few successful ones that didn't immediately get followed by a civil war.

It kinda happened in the old Star Wars EU. The “fluid” (attractive to every opportunistic a**hole who got locked out of a cushy Imperial position), “diverse” (highly atomized cells) and “freedom-loving” (Ungovernable) nature of the Rebellion meant that when it came time to actually build a government, they were roadblocked at every turn because of all the stuff that the people who put them there were promised all kinds of incompatible stuff.

There is actually an interactive book called choice of rebels, where you can play as an idealistic leader of a rebelion and slowly loose your morals

"Surely we should be united against the common enemy!" "..." "...THE JUDEAN PEOPLES' FRONT!!!"

HES THE MESIAH

200th like

Peter Griffin

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Well, I mean he was actually incredible when it came to combat

@@lumethecrow2632 True, however that wasn’t Palpatine’s specialty.

Not so much prediction as it was manipulation. He planned pretty much everything, and whenever hiccups happened he quickly found ways to get things "back on track".

That was the scary thing man. When you really get into his plans, you realize there is literally no way he could have lost. He built up this super intricate and all encompassing plan (*clone troopers and Anakin*) throughout the empire, then set it off within two-three days. It's actually kind if terrifying.

Thank you for your input Major Von Strohiem

You don't have to be good, you just have to be slightly less evil than your opponent.

@@erikschaal4124 Or just have slightly more guns...

@@DonVigaDeFierro or propaganda

@@toob_noob4381 OR BOTH

Star Wars Rebels in a nutshell.

Also, the protagonist must always be the rebel leader by the end. Even if they've only been part of it for 2 weeks, and have no background knowledge regarding statecraft.

To paraphrase Vetinari from Discworld: It's all well and fine overhtorwing a government, but then someone still has to take the trash out

Complex political and socioeconomic problem don't just go away because of a successful rebellion. In fact, it may as well just exacerbate it, combine that with the fact that they will most definitely lack/don't have knowledge/experience in politics, economic, or anything else to run a government, it's a recipe for disaster, instability, and tyranny. And because of that, they will most likely use the knowledge/experience of the "expert" from the regime they've just overthrown (just like you know who if you watch the news)

@@commissarf1196 Oh, like pirates!

So, political activists in a nutshell then?

Suicide... bombing?

Post it

@@Warsie I would but unfortunately it’s on my school email and I graduated last year

​@@laserdiscisawesome1263just post it! I fuckin beg you!

@@vondantalingting no I mean like I no longer have access to it or else I would

Also Dimitry Yazov from The New Order: Last Days of Europe. His whole regime is built around the idea of revenge for what the Nazis did to Russia/The Soviet Union, and will work towards the eradication of all Germans as part of the "Great Trial," to the point of total nuclear annihilation of humanity.

This sounds way too close to reality it is no longer gonna be labeled fiction. Lmaoooo

@@1911Zoey also sounds like the nu wars saga.

Is that a bad thing?

It drives me mad that they call the resistance "rebels" in the new star wars movie even though they're the establishment.

Who was Leia's Paramilitary "Resisting"?

i want my recreational death star dammit!!

There was a Star Wars MMO that *wasn't* SWTOR?

@@HunterStiles651 it was called Star Wars Galaxies, and that game was GREAT

@@HunterStiles651 Yep, and it came out a year before World of Warcraft: one of the many dinosaur MMOs that were destroyed by that particular meteor, even if their corpses somehow managed to shamble on for years after. All I remember of it was the above, dancing, and sadness.

@@bubbasbigblast8563 Galaxies wasn't really destroyed by WoW directly, higher ups in the company running the game decided that they had to completely revamp the game in order to make it far more like WoW, which destroyed a good portion of the player base

Well, there is also the fact that district 13 didn't do most of the fighting. They mostly sent weapons and ressources to everyone else, and only then did Coin try to impose her own rule.

Hunger Games are terribly written.

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p in general, yes, but the Cold War nature of their revolution as well as the usage of propaganda and calculated war crimes by both sides is excellently done and well executed

@@cadenvanvalkenburg6718 it's also worth noting that part (the revolution and general plot of the overthrow) was what Suzanne Collins *wanted* to write, she was essentially forced to focus more on the romance since that was what sold but she's stated she was way more interested in the political aspects of her work and it shows with how well written it was

@@techissus7449 Bleh, a story way too common with writers. I hope she's doing better and writing more freely these days :(

Far Cry 4

Red Dead Redemption too, albeit you need to read the in game journals to know that.

So… Vietnam after The Vietnam War 🇻🇳, and Ethiopia after being freed from Italy?

Indonesia after getting independence from the Dutch, Egypt after getting independence from The British, Israel and Palestine, Congo, Democratic Peoples Republic of The Congo, Zaire. This whole thing is just a case of Truth in Television.

Gundam…

Or even turn on each other while they are fighting the common enemy ( Spanish Civil War)

@@diegoolivaresgonzalez42 sino japanese war too

Even fight each other while fighting a common enemy. The Chinese Nationalists vs Mao's vs the Japanese, the French republic resistance vs. the Communist French resistance fighting over control of Paris while fighting the Nazis, and so on and so on. You can bet the Afghanistan tribes and rival groups are doing the same right now.

Not to mention the obvious case of Syria, where the ideologies of the rebels are so incredibly mixed that any time they get close to accomplishing their goals, a group breaks off (in this particular case, some of the most evil, such as ISIS and that one other group before them, not even going to try because each time I do I accidentally say the name of an Arabic newspaper). Thing is, this contrasts with portrayals like Star Wars, where they are all bizarrely cohesive besides the only common factor being wanting the empire destroyed.

Mujahideen after Soviet Afghan war

i feel like ive seen the same comment before, am i a time traveler?

@@justsomeguywithtb2953 My simplified answer: In a way we all are. My original answer: Well, if you did watch one of his videos in the past and have seen a comment similar to the one you replied, then yes. You are a time traveler. Although you can only travel moving forward in time, without accelerating time. Edit: Or déjà vu.

Nah, half of the episodes nowadays are made of ads

There was so much Real Talk in this one, I lost track of which parts were satire sometimes

I wonder what they even would be?

I honestly thought at about 7:30 he was going to say, "Americans are particularly fond of the 'Rebels versus Evil Empire' story, despite their society becoming more and more like the latter." The amount of restraint JP has is unreal.

I love dune so much, finally finished reading it over the summer and it is my new favorite novel. I like the approach of using religion as a weapon, it’s extremely accurate to real-world scenarios.

Another book that also comes to mimd that did something similar was Mistborn series

@@Megafreakx3 never heard of it. Worth reading?

@@ctrouble2309 Yes, the first era (the one I am talking about) is the first three books. Just a heads up that it is an early work of Brandon Sanderson, so there are some ruff spots, and book two has some dry spot (just read with audio, maybe). But it is worth it. There is a KZfaqr called Daniel Greene that has cover this book series for a while.

@@ctrouble2309 Yes. Yes, extremely worth reading. All the characters get their own stories and arcs that intersect in just the right ways, each book of the trilogy is actually a different kind of book (the first is a standard quest, the second more of a mystery, and the third a game of wits) so they do not trip over each other or get repetitive, and the conclusion is based in all kinds of things from earlier in the series that suddenly gain new meaning. It's obvious how much planning had to go into it; basically the opposite of JP's advice. I recommend it highly.

I'm so happy to see Dishonored brought up here, it's literally one of my favorite games and one of the most underrated games in existence

The chaos level bit is actually kind of genius in its simplicity. The less chaotic the nation is by the time you kill the Lord Regent, means your former allies would have to use less tyrannical measures to maintain order and facilitate the transfer of power. The more chaotic, means they'll have to brutally suppress the populace to prevent a counter-revolution. It's good/bad dichotomy but with an actual ramification.

Yes

The fery theme was power corrupts Which is why the best ending involves you not using your powers to be death incoming

@@spectroelectro3772yes

France : haha new government goes brrrrrrt on the civilians

Taliban: All I see is peace in my country after repellig the American pigs.

Democracy? Why do all that petty worldbuilding and risk of getting even the slightest bit political when you can just have the supposedly noble emperor overtake the previous "evil" emperor even when such a system has consistently been shown to be the main cause for the rebellion in the first place. After all, the status-quo is god.

​@@dereenaldoambun9158And everybody else will have to, if they want to -live- practice real Islam

​@@dereenaldoambun9158look up those studies of Taliban fighters they are all "this sucks now we gotta actually Run the country it's boring and there's all this politics and they make us work as bureaucrats in an office or as traffic cops and I wanna quit but my commanding officer from the war harangues me because SOMEONE has to run the government" lol

... And US armed and funded *"rebels"*

Damn. People still use this boring and old meme?

@@balabanasireti the business is getting likes and business is booming

@@balabanasireti maybe the boring and old memes were the friends de made along the way

@@Cherremy721 You fool...you forgot the one thing every businessperson learns from schooling! YOU MUST NEVER BE HONEST, YOU MUST DANCE LIKE A SNAKE AND REAP IN THE DOLLAR SIGNS, BABY!! WOOOOO!!

Plot twist, it was the evil empire that supplied them and did so to sphere the rebels and the empire into a cycle of perpetual civil war. How evil.

@@orrorsaness5942 I admit, it does make sense for a goverment/organization to take over their enemy faction (which is done surprisingly often these days) by supporting them and eventually either dismantling them or using them for their own cause... But supplying weapons is a little different. If you're paying them, usually you pay them to calm the frick down, not to murder your people with your own guns.

The rebels have a lot of sympathisers within the empire and the various corporations that manufacture the weaponry and X-wings

@@beeg8615 Yeah… makes sense

@@blueteller I mean Pakistan and USA does it with the Taliban probably, so… The Evil Empire does so to skip the whole paying them money thing and The Evil Empire thinks it’s cheaper to do so. If the rebels will just buy weapons anyways why not just give them weapons to keep up the fighting? Also, the more the rebels fight, the more imperial sympathizers would want to be kept safe from them. The more they want that the more the Evil Empire can make laws to oppress their citizens harder and make money off of it. Also, this can give the Evil Empire an excuse to raise taxes to fund their torture chambers and anything else they want to buy.

Lol 😆 Que The Hohenzollern Empire til the middle of Part 5

Don't worry your country will be fine. As long as it's under my rule.

Exciting, isn't it?

Grab this gun and prepare

Give me your hopes and dreams Where the hell are you anyway

Same

Sounds like a New York Times best seller right there

Ok, but that would be a love corner, with the girl backed into it. To make it a triangle, you need romance between the guys, too.

@@Kartoffelkamm I hate how so many so called “love triangles” are actually love angled lines. For it to be a true love triangle it must be at least somewhat gay

@@SorowFame Yeah, two guys backing a girl into a corner and calling it love, without any input from her, is the worst romance trope ever. Kinda makes me want to get into romance writing, and then write a story where the female character is in that situation, but in the end it turns out she has a boyfriend. The story is told exclusively from the perspective of one or the other guy. And the point of the book is to highlight how guys in those kinds of stories don't care about the woman's personal life, opinions or preferences, but instead see her as a trophy to be won and possessed. Which is why her boyfriend will show up with absolutely 0 foreshadowing on the last page.

@@Kartoffelkamm hey no joke if you actually do end up writing it I'd be interested lol

From Poland the January Uprising may be the most amusing. "Let's rebel before Count Wielopolski's brilliant reforms pass and he becomes the saviour of the nation instead of us!"

Who would have thought, modern artists and architects never read Polish-Russian history?

> and take an inspiration from some real history, Ha! Everyone knows that as soon as Standard European Medieval age™, with vikings, knights in full plate and inquisition ended, Europe took machine guns and went to WW2. There was literally nothing in between to take inspiration from.

Poland be like: All the rebellions are MINE

Don't forget 1848. Half of the reason most of those things collapsed was because they ran into entrenched systems that the Leaders of the Revolutions didn't want to deal with.

Never sleep during class, folks

@@Speed_Zamaa Gonna try in another chance

@@joditiarsutrisno5556 👍

Hope he wasn't a lib who thinks Cuba is some authoritarian poor country, because it's not, it's not some utopia either but they're far from a dictatorship

You got more of those bud?

Syrian Civil War in a nutshell.

Iraq, Post-soviet war Afghanistan, Chechnya post Russian war, Mexico post Emmanuel III rule, DRC today

Russian Civil War, or the Chinese Revolution for possibly the best example.

​@@KaiHung-wv3ulwhat about French Revolution?

How come everyone forgot Somalia? They turned on each other once the government was destroyed.

This vaguely reminds me of the star trek voyager episode nemesis

"I don't order the burning of villages. I merely leave my officers to do it but deny any personal responsibility and doing nothing to punish said officers while reaping any \benefits from the massacres." "Wow, under Draco In Leather Pants rules, that's like personally saving the village."

@@Peteman oh he did punish them, but I get what your saying.

It's one of those things. The larger a nation or empire is, the harder it is to keep track of everyone.

I remember one scifi/fantasy story where that sort of conversation happened...village burned down because the rebels were using the area as a staging post, and mainly because the rebels weren't bothering with uniforms and often went through it, and they were after some rebels that had stolen a bioweapon. I really wish I remembered the name of it, but the Empire in that universe didn't even, really, want to BE the Empire, they were originally running the equivalent to an interstellar bank and post office and got really tired to getting stuck in the middle of various groups that would start shooting at each other...often looting the banks and trying to blame the other side for it. Cue them then needing to deal with hundreds of stupid rebel groups still out to murder each other and also targeting them directly now.

yes. no matter how much they control the government they always tell everyone they're rebelling against it.

See Fidel Castro.

See Josef Stalin, Chairman Mao, Fidel Castro... Joe Biden perhaps???

Or lackeys of the government & media .

@@billysinge8977 did you... did you just fucking say Joe Biden? Lmao 💯% unhinged take Trump ran as the rebel candidate, and people believed it even when he filled his cabinet with the corrupt establishment he pretended be against. He had an actual oil tycoon as his Secretary of State. Lmao hahahahahaha 🤣

Is this a Code Geass reference?

@@VAWM. I was thinking a lot more general and less explicit. The kind of stories that kingdom build and nobody ever betrays the mc or disagrees with their policies. And everyone in the kingdom is a model citizen.

@@gogroxandurractrue lol

Alternate idea: The YA protag successfully overthrows the government, becomes the new establishment’s most recognizable enforcer and slowly but surely turns into the villain they once fought.

@@BlackCover95 Fable 3 is that you?

If I remember the Bible correctly King Solomon started out good but then turned evil.

@@icecreamhero2375 I think that's Saul you're thinking about. Or maybe David, with the whole Uriah thing.

@@turtek12 Ah silly me.

works with communist revolutionaries too.

@@guillermoelnino 5 years and everything will be fine, right? Right?

Empire overthrown = instant democracy while the corpses are stil warm.

i liked that about the last Eragon book. The villain is defeated like 2/3 into the book and the rest is figuring out how to actualy rebuilt the country and establish some kind of structure. The series has some problems but that part was done well

@@the_corvid97 don't question it.just obey your communist overlords

Lol

That sounds really good. Revolutions are never clean. They're always messy.

This is why i really find a bit unrealistic when the rebel group gets a happy ending after they defeat the previous regime, shit always gets dirty after that with purges on all sides until the one with the "more guns diplomacy" win the pecking order. Also, it is always forgot that, we like it or not, even the most corrupt and douchebag government have untouchable irreplaceble people on its ranks even after its colapse just because of their unique skills and knowledge of the country would absolutely help on the reconstruction... or to form another tyranical government.

In that scenario, the supersoldier would come off as naive and self-destructive if they think the problem was a few nasty individuals that somehow seeped their way into the system rather than seeing the system itself as the problem for having allowed said nasty individuals to obtain powerful positions

@@carbodude5414 well he is a super soldier. Trained to act in command, rather than to oversee the whole situation. So, all he sees are 13 good soldiers in his unit. 1 bad captain with 2 exploitative dicks in the unit and maybe a strict commander. So, it would make sense for him to believe that the system is perfect, bar a handful of system exploiters. Also let’s ignore the hypocrisy of the super soldier using the super mech powers given to him via unethical monsterous experiments and how he uses them to straight up murder otherwise harmless scientists. It’s not hypocritical, if I use the weapons of mass destruction after all

You just described the Mexican revolution.

I really liked how the Altered Carbon book series picked up that theme and inner conflict. First season of the series was pretty good as well, just forget the rest.

I too liked AC: Rogue.

I would read that story.

"main protagonist" is redundant: "protagonist" already means "main character"

Blakes 7?

Not in Star Wars, if you remember correctly, Han and Chewie were smuglers

@@alejandroelluxray5298 don't forget saw gererra

@@muhammadashshiddiq8752 oh yeah, the extremist of Onderon

Or power hungry communists! Hello Fidel!

Lmao Latin America

Like Yugoslavia and the chetniks vs partisans

@@thebigerictbe5267 I was thinking about warring feudal lords within the HRE, but your example is a good one too!

​@@thebigerictbe5267I wanna know the story, tell us all the story oh wise one!

Not to mention that the powers that be will intentionally confound the ideology with the rebel faction to sway public opinion against anyone holding said ideology as unpatriotic at best, and one of the rebels at worse.

*Laughs in leftist infighting*

@@anelkia27 Precisely, I was thinking along the lines of the Greek and Albanian resistances to axis occupation and both of which led to infighting (both political and military) between the rebel factions

@@anelkia27 True. I see those guys argue with each other more than they do with rightists.

@@Nick-zl5xf Or the unceasing war on Anarchists from the MLs

Yeah Someone made a whole play about a guy part of a revolution Some guy named Alexander or something The USA really seems attached to it

The weirdest one there has to be dune.

@@marocat4749 I think most people didn't get it and totally missed that Paul wasn't the good guy/messiah but some guy who had been genetically manipulated to the point where he could calculate the future who then royally fucked the galaxy by touching off a crusade with his little plucky band of indoctrinated religious fanatics but wasn't willing to make the sacrifices necessary to ensure the survival of humanity and dumped that responsibility onto his kid who had to turn into a worm. And then Brian got out the crayons and scribbled all over his fathers work likely out of barely repressed hatred.

@@sweethysteria8737 and he's not throwing away his shot

Remenber the old 1971 comedy movie "Bananas"? U.S. Soldier #1: Any word on where we're headed for? U.S. Soldier #2: I hear it's San Marcos. U.S. Soldier #1: Are we fighting for or against the government? U.S. Soldier #2: The C.I.A.'s not taking any chances this time. Some of us are for, and some us are going to be against it. U.S. Soldier #1: Oh.

Lmao 🤣

Sadly, this topic is timeless.

When exactly would this not be topical?

@@jakesanchez6621 I'm sad now.

@@jakesanchez6621 Ancient egypt

@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 ancient egypt had plenty of rebellions. From internal coups, some ethnic uprisings, its levantine provinces being uppity, or just one Pharaoh decided he is just "teh coolzies" and starting a massive civil war, resistance is just as universal as war, since both are ultimately about trying to impose will with strength

release this a week earlier and it would age like fine wine and unpasteurized milk

Why?

​@@vortigan9068 The fall of Afghanistan, I think.

@@hunterketch989 oh well then I think it's 20 years too late.

@@vortigan9068 why? Didn't you here afganistan fell recently to the Taliban?

Iindeed, i am not a fun of gundam, but if you think about it, Zeon is a rebellion and i like how they portraid good and bad things on both sides, not one side being good and the other evil, the same with legend of the galactic heroes, both have good way of portrating things

Which of the bazillion series?

Japan hardly lacks fantastic writers. Though, for some reason a lot of the crap is promoted in the west.

@@Krysnha Zeon was more of a nominal independence war, the holdouts post OYW were more 'rebels' (like the sleeves)

Watch Spartacus blood and sand. Two seasons were about rebellion, but the last one shown how huge number of enraged slaves can turn them into radicals

agree, revolution especially violent revolution is war and war is terrible. You can say that revolution is necessary but you shouldn't be blind to the dark side of revolution.

​@@muhammadashshiddiq8752Basically, war is also romanticised in real life too. Just take the napoleonic war and ask a random guy who they think was great, he will say Napoleon, even though the man committed warcrimes. Same is with Rebellion

I think this was covered in Intrigue Plots.

A "night of long knives" should happen at some point. At least once The Rebellion has turned into The Empire.

@@johannageisel5390 what is that? Swordfight at night?

Far Cry 4

Make sure one of them is the clear main hero and the other one is obviously dark and brooding and is either the edgy rival with little character or basically a bad guy, no reason we should have the one opposing the main character have some correct views they don't have

Damn, this is the first time either of you got beat-out by other commenters...how does it taste, mustachioed blueberry man?

Suprise, they've built another big thing, and it's bigger than the previous big thing

They wont ever touch that because lets be real. People usually just watch it from the same plot over and over and with the funky leaders and the new recruit and blow up the government and dont get into a deeper dive of said affects or what has completely changed

Until the rebels inherit the evil empires debt.

@@wolfmanhccLmao 😅

Obi-Wan was an empire supremacist

Nah, the Confederacy of Independent Systems were the real good guys.

​@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45they were the only ones who had other species in positions of power

cognitive dissonance of the US fetishizing rebels while spending the last 100+ years villainizing any domestic opposition to the status quo, committing atrocities to protect interests abroad, and also villainizing anyone who flees the violence caused by these policies. Making the Rebels sound well organized and disciplined could drive focus away from the main characters and also possibly remind the audience of certain tropical countries who won their independence at a terrible cost from... the USA

Battlestar Galactica. ""Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar, Galactica, leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet, on a lonely quest-for a shining planet known as Earth."

@@sabotabby3372 more likely because it more directly evokes underdog imagery that we see in all kinds of American media

Can we maybe noooooot have a politics-fueled filibuster of an answer to a more broad and neutral question? Pretty sure the answer is tied more to pop culture anyway

@@sabotabby3372 Or maybe a rag-tag group is easier to humanise with than a structured military with an extremist ideology

Dont worry, the USA initially told us the Taliban were freedom fighters... when they were on the same side

@@GinHindew110 they are whatever were told they are. to disagree with something your government says is fact is treason. i wish i was exadurating.

@@GinHindew110 Uh No, Taliban =/= Mujahideen, infact the Taliban fought the Mujahideen.

@@KezanzatheGreat I'm kind of wondering if the Capitol occupation isn't the most recent given that it fits the definition to a T. It was an action, beyond mere words intended to overthrow the US government.

@@KezanzatheGreat those in power wipe their ass with the constitution. we are living the dystopian nightmare those "crazy conspiracy theorists" warned you about for decades.

Russian revolution explained in youtube comment

I'm still catching up on that. Does the RX-9 Knife Missile ever get used?

@@MajorHickE In a way I guess. Roland commits some absolutely Raytheon tier war crimes

Is it about the Taiping Rebellion?

@@jojbenedoot7459 No it isn’t. It’s a science fiction novel set in the year 2070, 20 years after a civil war has balkanized the United States. It’s set in the right wing libertarian Republic of Texas, which has come under attack from the aforementioned Heavenly Kingdom. The writer explained in a Q&A that the Heavenly Kingdom is inspired by past religious fundamentalist movements, and so the name Heavenly Kingdom is an intentional reference to the Taiping Rebellion. The Kingdom in the book in terms of actions and ideology seems more inspired by the writer’s own prior experiences as a journalist covering both the Christian Dominionist movement at home and ISIS abroad. The book actually contains many in-jokes and references to his time as a conflict journalist in Syria and Iraq

@@connorwalters9223 If the writer has to explain it in a Q&A, then the story is shit

In the IDW continuity it was pretty nicely fleshed out. Megatron started out as an idealist who had some pretty damn good points about cybertronian society. Sadly, he had about as much experience with running an actual government as your average twitter revolutionary, and the fact that his first followers were nearly all a bunch of criminals, gladiators and menial workers, did not help either. Add a few million years of civil war, with having to expand because cybertron became an unlivable hellscape even by their standards, and you got yourself a tyrant who had to face a hard reality. The reality of having created a monster with the decepticon movement, one that could only exist in perpetual war, and he would have to purge his own ranks before building any functioning society if he ever actually won.

America already had one of those

@@_Muzolf what’s fascinating to me is that while the concept wasn’t finalized until the Aligned Continuity - there are hints of the concept since the Unicron Trilogy series

@@_Muzolf I really like the modern "Tragic hero who really, REALLY screwed up" version of Megatron and the MCU Loki-esque Starscream from IDW. It's much more interesting than the main two cons both being mustache twirling villains. Plus, it paves the way for much worse villains such as Overlord, Tarn, and of course Onyx Prime/Shockwave to become the main threats instead of it always being the Megatron and Starscream show.

@@nobledamask Well you can also do that with a villain with either a moral code or requiring some level of order.

Yeeeeeessssssss

I hope this comment blows up!

I wish I could like this an infinite number of times

Crossoverssss

I can already hear Red getting increasingly annoyed and frustrated with JP's egotism and terrible ideas.

Ah, clean 80s punk. The rock and roll of the modern-day, middle-class white suburban world.

Or if you want to really add panache to a game such as Wolfenstien II

Oh don't worry, they'll just give it a deathcore remix to put the edge back into it that'll work, right "Wolfenstein: The New Colossus?"

And are you the channel that describes the obvious?

@@YoungSavage Yes.

I feel like a lot of revolution stories aren't made to realistically depict revolutions and more so to make commentary on human nature to fight back

@@jonathansoriano3568 That doesnt excuse not having a jerk thats somehow evil they have to deal with, and communication of various fractions. And where they get the weapons from, it could be even outlandish and better than never saying why.

@@marocat4749 idk tengen toppa gurren laggan was a great metaphor... And one piece sun pirates weren't powerful but their symbol and meaning was. I'm just saying that as a checklist a lot of the examples are very situational depending on what you're trying to say not exactly nessecary. I will complain about hunger games but it's YA so ya know.

Great story, author is a shit excuse for a person though. Favorite character is still Saitoh - who basically embodies the idea that after the revolution, you can't really afford to lose skilled enemies, and so make deals with the proverbial devil. Brought to mind the use of [ex-]Nazi scientists & torture-produced medical info after the war.

@@mandisaw I'm surprised his wife is still married to him.

@@squidfromtheloft7894 People make odd decisions, but also Japan is not a great place to be a divorced (or widowed) woman. She may not have other good options 😣

@@mandisaw If that truly is the case, then that really does suck.

@@squidfromtheloft7894dang

Andor did this by making the Aldhani heist have the consequence of resentencing and making even minor crimes have years-long prison sentences.

​@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45Andor still clearly favors the rebels though. The Dark/Death Troopers being killed by a bunch of rioters took me out if it. It's like a Seal Team 6 operator not knowing being in the middle of a hostile crowd is a terrible idea. I don't think the show will truly emphasize that some rebel actions will affect civilians minding their own businesses, the civilians just have to support them mindlessly.

Oh you too? I’d like to hear about it

@@TheHawkeye0725 Alright, so. The two MCs arrive to a town/city currently preparing for their most culturally significant festival, which involves birds. The factions are: -the ruling nobles, governing for themselves and giving the people the scraps. They are backed by the continental Religion but have been neglecting the religious taxes because Greedy; -the rebels: used to be a single group of Robin Hood-style thieves, but then the nobles hired two runaway assassins as bodyguards and let them go to town on anybody caught stealing from them. This caused the rebels to split into two factions: -the ones who lie low and steal less from less powerful nobles, thus having less to give to the people, while secretly preparing a massive heist on the day of the festival, when the nobles and their bodyguards will be out of their mansion; -and the ones who want bloody revolution and constantly clash, and lose, against the nobles, and are not above stealing from and brutalizing the people because they want all the money and power for themselves. This has caused the people to resent the rebels and turn to support the nobles, because while they may be corrupt scumbags, at least they keep things running and only brutalize the guilty, or so they say. Lawful MC gets jumped by the violent gang and has a very important McGuffing stolen from him, and Chaotic MC joins the heist plans because she's always up for crimes against nobility. Things get more complicated when the Religion shows up chasing the MCs and goes "you guys haven't been paying your taxes so we might depose you and install someone who does things our way". The violent group see this as the chance for their own coup, and the less violent group see this as an absolute clusterfuck that will lead to no good and scramble to protect the people and also accelerate the heist because there's a very real chance the nobles will run away with all their money before getting deposed It's very much a work in progress, and I have no idea how I'll make all the parts fit, but that's what I've got thus far Now I'd like to hear about yours

@@italeteller5144If it’s okay, can I share my story too? It’s also about rebels trying to overthrow a corrupt government.

Or the duality of a puppet government vs rassist xenophobe rebels, who are better personally but not that much, mostly the thalmor

@@marocat4749 Skyrim belongs to the nords.

I think lore wise the rebellion in Skyrim is pretty well written. The problem is only how it lacks emphasis on the gameplay itself, since you as a character can do so many contradictory things and still get on the good side of everyone.

@@marocat4749 Stormcloaks are better for Skyrim but worse for humanity as a whole. Also Skyrim going independent is more narratively interesting

@@marocat4749 actually its kinda interesting how the game’s smaller details kinda imply that the thalmor are intentionally trying to make skyrim revolt so that they can invade 🤔

America likes underdog stories - so long as the people most similar to America by looks and/or values are the underdogs, and not the bullies. Also so long as the story ends with David killing Goliath, and not the kind of shitty reign of King David.

It's also strange since the American Revolution was a rare exception to how revolutions tend to go. It was one of the tamest revolutions that ever happened (maybe up there with the Glorious Revolution of 1688 in England). That could probably be attributed to how most of the leaders of the rebellion were already in established positions of informal influence or official government power. So when modern Americans romanticize revolution, they're thinking about a scenario that would be extremely unlikely to ever repeat. As a side note, I need to comment on the "history written by the winners" thing. That's not always the case. It's more that history is written by whoever decides to write about it, or whoever has the cultural influence for their interpretation to be widely accepted. Oftentimes, that is the winners of a conflict, but it's not a guarantee (the pro-Confederate Lost Cause narrative that dominated the 20th century U.S education system is a prime example).

​@@Phil-ni3olAmerkcan revolution was tamest of all. The background itself is weird and very tame, the revolution starts due to Rebels being tried of taxes.

@@mandisawTo be fair, King David’s rule was genuinely good. King David expanded the empire and made the standard of living higher. He ain’t that bad.

@@orrorsaness5942 Expanding the Empire is way less cool from the POV of the conquered peoples 🤷

you just gave me an idea for a story: the rightful heir is banished/removed by a relative and the heroes join a group trying to put the rightful heir on the throne, but the right guy is an incompetent loon and the only people who want him on the throne are people who have something to gain from a weak leader, extremists who want things done as intended; consequences be damned, and the protagonists who don't know better. meanwhile, the wrongful heir is actually competent and good at politics and serves as an actual threat to the protagonists

@@bloodstoneore4630 I would like to expand on that idea of yours. There's an empire that has a legitimate son of emperor and empress and illegitimate daughter of empress and Duke. Due to Duke being genius at Court politics, extremely influential, and other factors; Duke managed to get legitimate son banished from the empire and got illegitimate daughter becoming an heir and will become the first female ruler if there are no intervention. Illegitimate daughter was raised under Duke's protection and she became very competent at Statecraft and Court politics due to Duke's teaching. While she doesn't care about commoners' individual lives, she understands that having more people paying taxes under your rule is more profitable than not caring about them all. From her first-hand experience, she observed that paying the medical bills now will end up paying itself from taxation that came from recently healed individuals. She eventually set up a simple welfare system in her town during her training phase. Legitimate son ends up at theocratic state which doesn't like the fact that the Empire is to progressive for them and a Female heir to boot. So they decided to help the legitimate son by using the summoning spell and successfully summoned a group of Japanese High schoolers. Through normal means, theocratic state convince high schoolers to fight against Empire and try to reinstate legitimate son as its rightful heir. Legitimate son has a personality of a bastard and selfish due to his spoiled upbringing. Then something unimaginable happens, Emperor and Empress died in an accident. And thus, illegitimate daughter became new Empress and it caused a mid internal strife in the Empire. The stage is set for a fight between group of high schoolers (and other sponsored rebel forces) and Empress for the fate of the Empire.

Welcome to Fed Sun politics.

@@dennisz1252 dude, that sounds so awesome. I would love to read a story like that

@@bloodstoneore4630 Already done, funnily enough also in mechwarrior. Thought lrotagonist is fighting much less for some grand cause, and really only for a paycheck.

Also, make sure the Good Totally Not An Evil Empire Federation send in the protagonist to squash what is the equivalent of a bunch of riots. Does it make sense for high command to send a one-man army and a whole fleet to slaughter the rebels mercilessly, even though most of them probably don't know how to hold a gun? Who cares! The Good Totally Not An Evil Empire Federation have the logistics to spare. Does the military occupation cause discomfort and discontent among the populace? Of course not! No good citizen of the Good Totally Not An Evil Empire Federation would ever be afraid when soldiers start blockading every street, demanding inspections.

@@teal_m_101 IKR? Requiring a card saying you've taken a shot just to buy food or drive from point A to point B is totally normal!

I think JP forgot a page of his script.

Amon be like

@@DolFan316 you already need a card for driving from point A to point B. It's called a Driver's License and is significantly more difficult to acquire than a vaccine. Regardless I don't think anyone is saying you can't drive anywhere if you're unvaccinated, you can still go to a friend's house or something. It's once you start traveling to different countries or into public places (or in some cases privately owned places) that there are rules. Having restrictions based on public health aren't really remotely the same as having military occupation just present at all times. Having to show a card to get into a store is something any store could pretty much decide to do at any time, some stores already require memberships to get in.

I don't think it's that nice. Remember what happened to Eragon's adoptive father in book one, simply because Saphira unfortunately chose him? Or what happened in book 2, when, in order to capture Roran to punish him for his cousin's actions, the people sent by the king were willing to murder everyone in the village? Besides that, consider that the empire is an oppressive force for everyone else around. It's made clear that one day, the king wants to invade Surda, and the elf forest, and the drawft's mountains, and he's already practically enslaved some of the urgals. Plus, the fact that the king is immortal, and also insanely powerful, is actually really bad. Even if Galbatorix was a good ruler now(which I think you can dispute), who knows what he may look like in 100, 500 or 1000 years? What if he went so mad that he decided to kill everyone in the world, and there is no one left to keep him from doing so? If you change kings every 40 years, sure, you may end up with a really bad one on occasion, but at least it won't doom everyone in the empire.

Yeah, It's not like the Emperor does nothing for its citizien apart from difending them from problem caused or incoiraged by him and all the rest is oppresion, and the empire can't change for the better alone as the emperor is immortal and becomes stronger over time because of the dragon heart and the fact that he has discovered the true name of magic at the end of the last book, making much harder for a Revolution to happen in the future.

@@legrandliseurtri7495 I'm pretty sure he lets the Ra'azac just hunt his citizens occasionally, too. Also, the OP seems to be forgetting about scenes in the original book where there were quite literally *piles of bodies* stacked in the middle of a town raided by Urgals (who were under the control of Galbatorix, and who therefore either commanded them to do so or allowed them to do so). He also seems to forget how Galbatorix came into power in the first place, which was completely horrible and not at all indicative of a good ruler or a stable monarchy. No, Galbatorix was pretty fucking shitty

I'd say study certain social cues, charismatic people's behavior and how other people behave in their presence, live speeches like TED Talks, celebrity interviews, just anything with people talking. As for timing, maybe simulate it in your head, write it down, then review it with someone else to gauge its effectiveness, and revise until it's good and to your liking.

@@airhead1320 Thanks for the advice. I still wish JP made a video about it, though. It's a pretty important subject.

Have you tried talk-to-type, and acting out/adlibbing how your characters are feeling? Just a thought. There aren't really any "cliches" about dialogue, or I'm sure it would be next on the list.

What helped me is to first write the characters (their personality, their goals, their struggles, their ups and downs, maybe a bit of backstory, etc.) and then decide what their logical reaction would be in certain situations and how every character acts in a different way in said situation

All this good advice, and here I am thinkin' "Undertale". Seriously, though. The dialogue in that thing is amazing, and they helped me with my own writing. Most everyone there has a unique speaking pattern, so studying them (as well as those of other games or books with a similar dialogue writing style) could probably help.

yes

TWA has a tendency to upload a new video right around the time OSP uploads another episode of Trope Talk. Since an episode of Trope Talk magically appeared a week ago, I just knew it was only a matter of time.

Wasn't Pagan Min a monster, too? Hence the whole civil war to overthrow him?

@@louisduarte8763 I think it's a "lesser of two evils" situation.

@@torinsmith9867 But didn't he turn Kyrat into a narco-state? Which Amita also wanted to do?

@@louisduarte8763 Minn was absolutely evil however all you needed to do was sit you butt in that chair and wait for him to finish torturing the guy. You get the keys to the country without the bloody civil war and hopefully remove the radicals and unite the country. Best ending in the game.

@@Junglelove20mm But then it's not a game, it's a short movie. If that's the BEST ending, that means playing the actual game is a total waste of time and money.

True, True

One thing that wouldve made Thrawn's Empire Better than most irl governments in history and even modernity: Thrawn wouldve never destroyed any monument, library or relique

It would’ve still been awful, Thrawn was not above doing evil shit if it helped his cause, he just happened to be clever enough to avoid doing evil shit for no reason.

Trust me guys imperialist dictatorships are actually good when the cool people are in charge

Considering the state of the galaxy before Palpatine took over, I’d say they were better off with the Empire in charge.

Nationalist movements can arise from any segment of society. Both sides in the Chinese Civil War spent a lot of time stoking nationalism to bolster recruitment, and the Communists hardly had a particularly high-class power base

Exactly

Indeed. The french resistance for example spent more time fightimg the french resitance than it did ths nazis.

No way it is related:o