Rebuild Coleman Oil Heater Carburetor

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Rebuild Coleman Oil Heater Carburetor

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Today we rebuild a Coleman Oil Heater carburetor from the early 70's late 60's (ish)
Model 4116C498, 72000 BTU,
See also: Coleman Oil Draft Control: • Coleman Oil Draft Control
Oil Controls International Valve Pdf: www.oilstoves....

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@Mark_Tschetter 4 жыл бұрын

Can you run it on used engine oil?

@trollforge 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, and no... You need to preheat the oil for it to run on straight used oil. It should run on 50/50 diesel & used oil, but I haven't tried it quite that thick...

@trollforge 3 жыл бұрын

@@billsmith1770 Awesome! If you decide to put up a video about it I would be glad to have you link to it here.

@billsmith1770 Жыл бұрын

@@trollforge think i deleted my original comment . i have 2 siegler heaters burning 100% wmo . sieglers have burn chamber air boosted slightly by the blower fan , so i don't know if it would work w/your coleman . remove the carb screen and leave it out , remove the only part left in carb (outflow metering plunger ?) at 26:12 and carefully make the tiny slot in it a little wider , mostly near the bottom , to allow more outflow , reinstall (make sure it still moves freely) . make an oil pre heater using an empty propane torch cyl w/a water heater thermostat hose clamped to it , and a 60 (100 if needed) watt incandescent bulb , housed in a just large enough insulated box . i used an ammo can lined w/rigid , foil backed insulation to make one of mine . install as close as possible to carb . light heater by pouring about 3 or 4 oz (vienna sausage can full) of diesel into burn chamber , light , then turn the carb on . my oil is water free , screened , and filtered thru a car oil filter before it goes into my 5 gallon tank . burns with no smoke , but burn chamber needs cleaning (dirty , 5 minute job) about every 24 hours (about 5 gallons) of burn time . make sure your carb is able to inflow enough wmo to operate , before modifying the slot in the outflow regulating plunger , as once opened up , it will flow too much fuel oil , and be unusable should you want to switch back to fuel oil .

@trollforge Жыл бұрын

@@billsmith1770 Thanks for the idea, but I haven't had to do anything but turn the carburettor on, and light, then turn the carburettor off when I'm done in the 6 years since I shot this video... I remember when every garage had a rack for you to leave your WMO, any time of day (or take some away) but they all keep them under lock and key now, so WMO isn't as easy to come by as it once was...

@billsmith1770 Жыл бұрын

@@trollforge much easier , don't blame you . a few years ago garages in my state were paid 25 cents per gallon for it by recyclers , but now garages have to pay to get rid of it .

@muddyhound Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this! I just spent 2 hours trying to put the mechanism back in with the fuel stop pin in place. Eventually I found your video. You encountered the same difficulty but you took just 2 seconds to realise the top of the mechanism opens up to remove and replace the pin! I avoided the embarrassment of calling in a Rayburn engineer and confessing that I'd been tinkering. A big thumbs up from England 👍

@trollforge Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

@ravenfeather7087 4 жыл бұрын

I have a Coleman that has about the same size barrel in it but the whole stove is smaller. I used it for several years in a wall tent when hunting in the Rockies. And then switched over to a woodburner but am now thinking about going back to the oil burner. I pulled it out of the shed a few days ago, it was sitting out there for about half a dozen years, and decided to try it in my new 12 x 10 tent. What a sweetheart. Heats it real nice. And runs amazingly well. The only issue I ever had with it was the hole on the inside of the burn barrel got plugged up where it discharges to the barrel. Cleaned it out with a piece of wire and it's been working since.

@trollforge 4 жыл бұрын

They are a sweetheart!

@roger5638 7 ай бұрын

Push lever down to start fuel flow, is what i kinda remember

@trollforge 7 ай бұрын

IIRC, the actual Coleman Carburettors had the lever built in to the dial...

@adamshowers4995 4 жыл бұрын

I made an oil furnace using a 4 barrel Holley Carburetor,spark plug and it runs on canola oil it's cleaner for the enviroment,it heats up the house and my wife is happy.

@trollforge 4 жыл бұрын

That sounds really interesting. If you video about it, drop a link!

@waynechien-vovietchongmy9724 2 жыл бұрын

Burning oil releases carbon dioxide. Plants thrive in that envirnment. Gov is stupid af

@dbaider9467 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@trollforge Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@Flightstar 3 жыл бұрын

People are incorrectly calling these things carburetor's, which they are not. They do not mix air with the oil before it goes into the combustion chamber. Fuel flow control unit or fuel metering unit is what they are.

@trollforge 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree with you in theory, but in reality carburetor is what Coleman called them, it is their official part designation... and I did mention that in the 1st minute of the video.

@TheEmptynester 8 жыл бұрын

I am glad you know how to do things like that.

@trollforge 8 жыл бұрын

+TheEmptynester Thanks E...

@roger5638 7 ай бұрын

I just found one in the dump, i hope it works. Is that the correct flue damper, i thout there was an automatic damper in those

@trollforge 7 ай бұрын

yes the automatic damper is what is required, I just hadn't found one when I made the video.

@rogerdellerba5908 6 жыл бұрын

9:38 do you mean clock wise to lower flow rate and counter clock wise to increase the flow rate. Just needed to check with you. Thanks for showing us. Your video and instructions have been very helpful indeed.

@trollforge 6 жыл бұрын

Roger Dellerba actually it looks like I meant clockwise to reduce the flow and clockwise looking from the inside to increase the flow... but yes, counterclockwise ot increase the flow.

@Damaluma1379 7 жыл бұрын

Our fuel tank is full, I cleaned that carb (video was great help - thanks again), put in new filter, but still not getting any oil into the pot?!! Unit is level. There MUST be a blockage between the carb and the pot (right?). I cleaned the pipe that feeds into the pot (there is a T plunger that I can slide back and forth with my oil stove) but there is T joint about 10 inches up that pipe, and that must be the area where the blockage is (I can't think of anything else?). My next step if to completely remove the carb off the stove and try to clean that feed pipe from where it attaches to the carb to that Tee joint. Any suggestion on best way to do that. Camp has no electricity so compressed air not an option (would a can of compressed air work...type used to blow dirt of keyboards?). Would carb cleaner be enough, would that dissolve carbon build up? Is there flexible pipe cleaner? Where could I buy one if so? Thanks!

@trollforge 7 жыл бұрын

2 thing that I didn't mention, but are always in my burner tool kit are 12" (30 cm) Pipe cleaners from the craft store, and 10-12 " bamboo Shish Kabob skewers. While a keyboard cleaner spray may not have enough force to clear a blockage, it will at least tell you which pipe is blocked. Carb cleaner may well work, but may not be enough for a complete blockage. 12V emergency tire inflation compressors should build enough pressure to clear a blockage in the copper pipe, and the bamboo skewer should do the steel pipe that goes strait into the burner.

@davidwright5601 7 жыл бұрын

trollforge thanks!

@Damaluma1379 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to show how this was done. I have been searching for such a tutorial and your's was the only one I could find, and its perfect. Having a "flow" issue with our oil stove up at the cottage so I hope your lesson does the trick. Did it burn at a better rate after you cleaned it out?

@trollforge 7 жыл бұрын

Damaluma1379 yes, it did!

@arnoldromppai5395 7 жыл бұрын

these carburetors always give problems and just need a good cleaning though out, if you have a unit you got lucky to find, and its still not blasting out heat remove the carburetor and blast carb cleaner into the tube going into the burn chamber and push a small wire though it and blast it again with carb cleaner and blow it out with compressed air, as they corrode up and you don't get enough oil in, if not at all, these units put out a lot of heat with low oil usage, they cook you out when running right

@poorust 5 жыл бұрын

Have this regulator on our Norwegian Nobas heater which has run for some fifty-fifty years

@trollforge 4 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@trollforge 4 жыл бұрын

Good advice!

@davekenna2796 2 жыл бұрын

Why would you have a damper in your stove pipe in all the years this is the first one I have seen you need a barometric damper not damper for a wood stove

@trollforge 2 жыл бұрын

The wood stove damper was put in primarily to stop the wood stove on the other side of the wall from sucking too much air up through the oil stove. The barometric damper I had for this stove disappeared and it took me a couple years to find a replacement, because there was no way I was going to pay the oil furnace guys $90 to come and install one.

@ken78969 5 жыл бұрын

can u do a vid on the operation of the carburator you've got the dial then what's the little button next to it and the lever with the hole in it

@trollforge 4 жыл бұрын

I may have to find another carburettor to answer all the questions I've been getting~

@joedirt9600 6 ай бұрын

The little button is for if you have a thermostat it should rise up and down as you rotate the dial. The lever with the hole is to turn on oil flow, down is on up is off.

@estellalane4805 2 жыл бұрын

I have the carburator and it's not hooked up so where am I supposed to run my copper line from and too?

@trollforge 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry I took so long to reply, but I didn't have enough work, with Covid to warrant heating the shop... So I had to move piles of stuff to get you an answer... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l6yYotF3p-C9dWw.html

@estellalane4805 2 жыл бұрын

I got it all hooked up but it seems to be pouring out of my line n I have the shut off,off n knob off n it still burning very high what is the problem

@frank8646 5 жыл бұрын

Hi! How about using this carburator with WVO (waste vegetable oil)? You think that will work?

@trollforge 5 жыл бұрын

With biodiesel, yes, WVO, I don't know, it may gum up quickly...

@hunter121675 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, I have one of these and when I turn it on I’m getting full oil coming in. Wondering if you could explain the spring on the valve that you didn’t take out of the housing? I have mine set up but it’s like the controller for fuel isn’t working.

@trollforge 4 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry Hunter, but the was almost 4 years ago, and I haven't looked at it since... and it a was kind of a figure it out as I go project.

@cwmaxfield2000 3 жыл бұрын

Similar Issue. Im triying to free up control knob. Locked or rusted solid. Came out of an old barn. Im soaking it in penetrating oil for now. Hoping i can disassemble it out doing damage. Lol.

@SuperHurdman 6 жыл бұрын

how long will the tank last if it was full of oil!?

@trollforge 6 жыл бұрын

Marc A Gagnon as I believe it is better to be a smart-ass than a dumbass, I'm going to start by saying that it will last 7 months when filled on April first. Now to try to give you the answer you're looking for, I have never let it run "Full Tilt Boogie" for more than an hour, generally 5 gallons of fuel lasts me about 40 hours of runtime. I think.

@putheflamesoutyahoo1503 4 жыл бұрын

Where can you live off grid...?....legally?

@trollforge 4 жыл бұрын

Canada.

@BenC434 6 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know of a good replacement for one of these, where to buy a new one or maybe a rebuild kit? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

@trollforge 6 жыл бұрын

Ben C sorry, someone had commented with a link to a place in England that still sells them but the comment is gone now.

@BenC434 6 жыл бұрын

yea they are really tough to find i've been looking around for a while. thanks for the quick response and great video by the way!

@trollforge 6 жыл бұрын

Ben C what part of the world are you in?

@BenC434 6 жыл бұрын

Im in the U.S. Virginia to be more specific

@trollforge 6 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I don't know of any place in the states that would definitely have them, but keep your eyes out for flea markets, I know the one up the road here had 2 last year for like $50 Cdn.

@TheScaffoldgod 7 жыл бұрын

are u using diseal fuel? can u use used motor oil 2?

@trollforge 7 жыл бұрын

Theoretically yes, BUT: 1) used motor oil is illegal to burn in many places, 2) used motor oil is too thick flow in the winter in Ontario (I don't know about where you are.) 3) used motor oil tends to have too much fine particulate matter to flow through the jet of the carburetor without clogging. Before the EPA got its Granny Panties in a knot, many people had good success with a 1/4" copper line off a flow valve on a reservoir hung above the stove, wrapped a few times around the chimney, and then dripping in to the centre of the top if the stove. You would have to light with diesel then switch. The other option would be a 50/50 mix of diesel / used motor oil and a good filter between the reservoir and the carburetor.

@TheScaffoldgod 7 жыл бұрын

trollforge I'm from edmonton my question is my unit says type 1 burning oil is that not diseal?

@trollforge 7 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I guess I misunderstood. I got this stove 20 odd years ago, when I did, I researched it.Fuel (Furnace) oil had 2 grades, I think they were #1 & #2, but that wasn't something I committed to memory, as they were commonly called Summer Weight, and Winter Weight. Winter is thinner, and more highly refined than Summer, Diesel is thinner, and more highly refined than Winter, Kerosene is thinner, and more highly refined than Diesel, if memory serves.... Winter is what this stove was rated for, Kerosene works wonderfully, Diesel is what I normally run it on, at least until I find time to start playing with Biodiesel.

@TheScaffoldgod 7 жыл бұрын

trollforge mmm I have not tried kerosene yet very expensive but I try it next I guess

@trollforge 7 жыл бұрын

It works the best IMHO, but it is so much more expensive than diesel that "I kinna git tha extra coin oota me sporran..."