Reclaiming Attic Space for Storage - Save Money on Storage!

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4 жыл бұрын

Tired of renting a storage space for all those things you can’t bear to throw away? An attic can provide a wealth of storage space if it is properly prepared. Installing a floor in an attic will make it a safe and useful space. It is highly recommended that you work n your attic in the spring, fall, or winter. Summers attic temperatures can exceed 140 degrees Fahrenheit. If you must work in your attic in the summer drink plenty of water and take frequent cooling breaks.
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SUPPLIES & TOOLS
-Tape measure
-StorageBord 24”x48” boards (or plywood equivalent)
-Circular saw or Jigsaw
-Electric drill
-Counter-sinking drill bit
-Screwdriver (Electric screwgun recommended)
-Rubber mallet
-Prybar
-1 5/8 inch screws (2 per board)
INSTRUCTIONS
-Measure the width and length of the area you wish to floor. Multiply the figures together to determine square footage. (A 20’x10’ space=200 square feet.)
-Determine how many Storagebords (24x48-inches= 8 square feet) you will need. Example: 200’ square divided by 8 = 25 boards needed.
-Assess your attic for wiring, plumbing, or gas lines. It would be a violation of building codes to simply lay boards on top of the lines. You will need to cut notches in the joists or boards to accommodate any lines.
-Lay boards across joists. In most homes the construction standard sets joists at 16 inches “on center”. Align the board so that the ends run from the middle of one joist to the middle of another.
-Drill a pilot hole using a countersink bit. This will allow you to flush mount the screws and prevent boxes or other stored items from catching on protruding screws. Using screws will allow for easy removal or replacement should the need arise.
-Continue drilling and fastening each board as you proceed.
-Use the rubber mallet or prybar to help align any stubborn boards.
-Use the saw(s) to make any custom cuts needed to accommodate your attic space.
-Once finished, obtain assistance moving objects into the attic. Carrying bulky or heavy items up a ladder alone can be extremely dangerous.
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@MysterFinds 2 жыл бұрын

This video has a lot of 90's vibes.

@colinwendt9992 2 жыл бұрын

Those mom jeans are the real deal

@UR_behAviOr_iS_so_tch_hairband 2 жыл бұрын

I checked the upload date & still refuse to believe this was not recorded during Friends season 2

@caelanlegocat3965 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but only a year ago? Possibly recorder earlier

@danielschannel701 2 жыл бұрын

A Hometime spinoff! Looks like it was recorded from '95 - '05.

@wldmike223 2 жыл бұрын

Look at the drill, it’s from the 90’s.

@pargolf3158 2 жыл бұрын

Might be a good idea to put a protective plate over the notch you cut for the electrical cable, otherwise you may drive a screw right through that wire, since you can't see it through the subfloor.

@ianrussell5367 Жыл бұрын

I always write on the board with a big black marker pen where the wires are

@ThePinkPanth3r Ай бұрын

@@ianrussell5367 I do similar, alot of WIRES!!! written in my shit handwriting lol

@matthewjohnston1017 3 жыл бұрын

Personal opinion. Use furring strips (1” x 2”) strips and lay down on top to protect the electrical. Don’t need to notch then. Also do not use MDF flooring. While it is cheap, it’s very heavy (many roof joists are not made to support lots of extra weight and helps) and MDF does not stand up to any moisture that may come in contact. I personally hate MDF. Instead use plywood boards (at least 1/2” thick) for flooring. Usually sold in 4’ x 8’ sheets which you can cut in half to make a 2’ x 8’ sheets if getting through a garage access. It’s a little more money, but will be better quality.

@arthurrobinson4644 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info I want to put to floorboard and on my attic but I want something decent quality of good quality and I want to make sure I get the size cut properly two-story cuz I got to go through attic ladders

@Drizzit 3 жыл бұрын

She's not using MDF.

@danielschannel701 2 жыл бұрын

Would those recycled wheat boards be a sort of natural plastic?

@brandydacanay5743 2 жыл бұрын

@@Drizzit A lot of mansplaining in the comments when she's clearly a professional and knows what she's doing. She offered a suggestion. I am glad Matthew offered his too of strips but some of the comments are not necessary.

@NateDecker1982 Жыл бұрын

@@brandydacanay5743 I routinely see people commenting on these sorts of DIY videos offering contradictory advice to what the content creator is asserting irrespective of the gender of the content creator. Just because she's a woman, doesn't mean these comments constitute "mansplaining".

@JaimeFelipeMunera 8 ай бұрын

Nice video... and for those worried about cuts in the beams for wires, "notching" the joist is fine as long as notches don't exceed one-sixth the depth nor be located in the middle third of the span... I would be more worried about being able to remove those panels in case of an electrical repair or re-wire for some future need.

@sunlightangel87 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for this! My grandmother just passed away and I've inherited her entire Department 56 Christmas village. Easily 30+ bins and 4+ decades worth of pieces in this collection. I'd like to store it in our attic, but the attic doesn't have flooring. Husband doesn't want to hire and pay anyone to do it so I told him fine I'll do it myself. Your step by step instruction made it easy for me to understand. I'm lucky enough that our homebuilders put in a few large pieces of flooring because our A/C and heating unit are up there so they built a little flooring workspace around it for maintenance. So I don't think I'm going to have to worry about wires which was my primary concern. But even if I see a wire, now I know how to deal with it!

@Bizzmark11 3 жыл бұрын

I find a drywall T-square to be very useful when making cutting lines on large boards.

@worldtraveler8571 4 жыл бұрын

She's strong! Look at those arms! Nice work!

@the_best_of_times 3 жыл бұрын

After watching this I feel ready to pay someone else to lay flooring in my attic.

@Oh6Torch 3 жыл бұрын

Yup! My attic is a single story with a slew of wires, plumbing, and bracing. Not sure what prices for plywood is here but I’m certain that it’s more than $100.

@mikebradley271 3 жыл бұрын

i thought same thing

@el_ra 2 жыл бұрын

😆

@PhantomO01 2 жыл бұрын

Remodeled my attic into a loft. So glad I did

@gerry.shafer6101 Жыл бұрын

GOT. DAT. RIGHT.

@RickMyBalls 3 жыл бұрын

Missed opportunity to shove some nice thick insulation in there.

@georgedavall9449 3 жыл бұрын

Ha ha wow, umm, nice little innuendo placed in there David?

@brandydacanay5743 2 жыл бұрын

She just wanted to put a floor to store random crap, not live up there.

@Pallidus_Rider 8 ай бұрын

I used to love watching this show - glad to see it has been archived to KZfaq 👍

@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын

Prepare you attic for storage by notching out the rafters. Fucking brilliant!

@targus98 6 ай бұрын

Not going to lie, that almost look like my attack and with this vid I can now add more storage to mine , and the notching for the wires is the question i got answered. now i can with confidence get space in the attack. thank you and please keep on keeping on.

@brandydacanay5743 2 жыл бұрын

My husband and I are looking at putting some floor boards in our attic for storage. I loved your video and how thoroughly you explained everything. Also, as a female who is now doing a lot of DIY around our home, I really rely on a lot of KZfaq videos and I gotta say, love that a female was hosting this episode. My uncles and brother can all do this stuff but my sister and I were left to teach ourselves now that we're adults. Thank you for the video!

@LadyBloodOath Жыл бұрын

I know right even some of the simple tips she said were things I wouldn’t have even thought of

@sunlightangel87 11 ай бұрын

This 100%! That's why I'm here watching this video. I'm handywoman around here.

@vimaljks 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic you are great and yes brave and strong . Very good tips.

@Sam-bp8gk 3 жыл бұрын

Nicely done!!!

@onegirlgigging 3 жыл бұрын

Please don't encourage notching or cutting ceiling joists! I'm a girl too and even I know thats a big no no, here in the UK it is anyway. Raise the floor by using 3"x2" C16's as cross beams at right angles to the ceiling joists. Screw them down using steel corner brackets to each joist alternating which side they are screwed in. The cross beams can be notched for wires and pipes. Double brace at the joining points of the cross beams for added strength. Why do you not have any loft insulation either? Your heating bills must be astronomical!

@cthecheese1620 3 жыл бұрын

"I'm a girl too", that's not the qualification that matters, but thanks for the alternative to notching joists!

@michaelmcphee2930 2 жыл бұрын

Much the same in Australia. Plenty of studies to say garage ceilings should be insulated as well due to heat loss or gain when you don't want it.

@ladyeowyn42 2 жыл бұрын

My mouth was agape when she took a circular saw to those joists. Our toilet had a slow leak that rotted the subfloor. We tore out the tile and flooring to discover some plumber had notched the joists. The floor had sagged slightly, compromising the rubber seal and causing all this trouble. Don’t compromise your joists, people!

@NateDecker1982 Жыл бұрын

I think there's no insulation because this is a space over the garage rather than over living spaces. My garage attic space is the same way. I wish the builder had applied insulation here as well because I assume it would help keep the temperature regulated in the garage (which no doubt bleeds into the house), but it seems to be acceptable to builders to leave it uninsulated.

@SEaudiofan 2 ай бұрын

If I were to notch joists, which I wouldn't really, I'd put nailing plates over them for protection against fasteners used in flooring

@mavlography397 3 жыл бұрын

Impressive idea. I didnt know thats how fast is it if only you know the technique😀

@victordgarcia425 3 жыл бұрын

Thankyou so much for your video. I was able to add 170 sq foot of attic flooring and add 22 shelves 4’ wide,2’ deep. You are very inspirational. Cleared out my garage. Thanks

@terryfaugno9242 3 жыл бұрын

Did you find a local source for the ecoboard? I'm a few hours north of you, in Denton, so whoever you got it from might have a location up this way.

@DarknessLPs 3 жыл бұрын

@@terryfaugno9242 I also want to know, I'm south of you just south of Dallas, did you find anything?

@drewman5740 2 жыл бұрын

Missing one step; when you notched out the ceiling joist for the electrical wiring and before laying down the plywood, etc … typical building codes would require “Strike Plates” to be installed

@NormDave 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent...

@WarriorByNature 8 ай бұрын

Thank you

@AMGmagazine 3 жыл бұрын

Nice job. Any links for straw board?

@joeyboy611 2 жыл бұрын

this lady is a genius for real

@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын

Nobody that tells you to notch your joists is a genius.

@nadine91 Жыл бұрын

First off I would "rodent proof" the attic space by putting in small metal mesh and staples wherever there are openings to the attic. Then I would spray "boracare" on the floor joints and the ceiling as directed by manufacturer. This stuff prevents termite and rot damage up to 30 years. Then I would lay insulation, and then the floor boards.

@rupe53 2 жыл бұрын

Hint: it's hot and dusty up there already. Call the measurements down to your helper and do all the saw work in the garage. BTW, not sure why all of those wires were laying around. It's not code to throw those across the attic like that. When the joists are exposed it's easy to drill them. (the electrician who did that should have been shot)

@arturotorres6437 2 жыл бұрын

My parent's house was built in the early 1970's, and has the wires on top of the joists like that. The NEC probably didn't require it back then or just a local code that didn't require it like it does today.

@Plexus37 4 ай бұрын

Furring strips and cable plates for your beams. I would never cut my roof structure even if someone told me its ok.

@mss627 3 жыл бұрын

Very useful video. My problem is that I have unfaced fiberglass insulation between the joists that I really don't want to remove. I was thinking about replacing it with foam board insulation then placing the floorboards on top. Then maybe putting baffels under the roof the help reflect the unbearable heat. I predict quite the mess.

@goldenultra 2 жыл бұрын

I got 27 Celsius outside and I was sweating in the attic? But it was not too bad as I had a cold bath before.

@AlexMercadoGo 3 жыл бұрын

You need to put a steel plate on top of those wires if you’re going to hide them with plywood.

@mordechairogelio8864 2 жыл бұрын

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@adanfinnley991 2 жыл бұрын

@Mordechai Rogelio Flixportal :D

@mordechairogelio8864 2 жыл бұрын

@Adan Finnley Thanks, I signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D Appreciate it !!

@adanfinnley991 2 жыл бұрын

@Mordechai Rogelio you are welcome =)

@chriswalls5648 2 жыл бұрын

@@adanfinnley991 What a lovely little "real" conversation.

@onehandclapping3094 3 жыл бұрын

You’re in Canada? I would’ve put in insulation.. overall looks good

@adamsdiyuniverse-savemoney4563 Жыл бұрын

Nice video. I subscribed to the channel. Interesting ideas. I made a video about lining out my loft. I reused a lot of stuff so it was pretty cheap and cheerful 😊 good luck with your channel

@mtwain1674 4 ай бұрын

Funny video. I wonder if Ted helped her out with some other projects while they were up there in that attic.

@slysrandoms220 2 жыл бұрын

Where can I purchase this board for the floor?

@qp3045 Ай бұрын

I would like to do that to my attic but my attic isn't as big. How much weight can that floor board hold and what is the name of it. My joists are about 24 inches apart. Thank you for the making the video. The attic looks great.

@dixietarian 3 жыл бұрын

Where I live the attic gets well above 100 degrees in the summer. That limits what I can store up there. Also, those attic ladders are not made for frequent use so whatever you store in the attic should be long term storage.

@bodybuilder6350 2 жыл бұрын

maybe thats why she didnt add insulation?

@brandydacanay5743 2 жыл бұрын

@@bodybuilder6350 We are going to "renovate" our storage space just as she had - only with the floor boards. We live with my in-laws who have accumulated a lot over their 75 years. Some of it needs to just go away and stay there so we can redo the basement into something purposeful.

@steverodriguez4871 10 ай бұрын

I would have put steal plat cover the wires make sure you don’t drill into it

@JalilShaikh 3 жыл бұрын

Where can I buy those boards.

@shake5678 3 жыл бұрын

Is that Heidi from Tool Time?

@danieltoth6119 11 ай бұрын

I just got out of an attic that is 1665sqft and they want it all floored. It was 96 degrees outside and as soon as I got up in the attic it was over 120. The air was so hot I could feel it on my lungs. My eye lids felt like I was standing in the sun and everything metal in the attic was too hot to touch. Also their was insulation everywhere. I don't understand why they want 1665sqft of floor up there. What are they going to do with it? Is like a whole other house up there. I looked up the pricing and it said it was anywhere from 4.50sqft to 10.00sqft. I don't really want to tell them it's going to be 16k to install but it was so hot up there I can see why companies charge that. I'm thinking about charging 5.00sqft.

@ziptie2104 2 жыл бұрын

what happened to the insulation in the floor??

@victordgarcia425 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I needed to inspire me to complete my attic storage project. Where in Austin, Texas can l find this particle board that your using.

@DarknessLPs 3 жыл бұрын

You ever find out? I'm a fellow Texan (on the Dallas side) and I want to put some flooring in my attic as well (if only to have peace of mind when walking around up there).

@victordgarcia425 3 жыл бұрын

Home Depot l found 3/4 inch particle 4x8 board strong enough for ceiling flooring. I had HD cut boards to 2’x 4’ to easily take to attic. I used deck screws and notched the floor rafters to get wiring one inch below the decking. Now by using deck screws l can remove later if l want to add insulation later. I also added 2’x 4’ shelves for great storage. I added 170 sq foot of storage and emptied my garage.

@pearlperlitavenegas2023 2 жыл бұрын

@@victordgarcia425 never ever notch anything structural in your attic you're asking for trouble

@ProleDaddy 2 жыл бұрын

Nobody should be using particle board as subfloor. This whole video should be disregarded as it is very bad advice. And notching floor joists? Jesus Christ. These people have no idea what they're doing.

@NotAJ-yn3xe 2 жыл бұрын

100 dollars. The good ol days.

@nancisam8305 2 жыл бұрын

I prefer to put the electrical wires between the boards through a small space

@claranauts5368 3 жыл бұрын

love her ordering Ted around

@dupeaccount1647 4 жыл бұрын

Lucky homeowner who has... what are those 2x10s? for the floor in their attic. I've got 2x4 so can't use my attic for storage without putting in 2x10 or even 2x12.

@matthewjohnston1017 3 жыл бұрын

I also have 2x4 roof joists. You can still use for storage, but not for anything heavy. Also store on sides near wall and not in middle of joists span is long. To also help reduce weight, use plywood instead of MDF flooring. I personally hate MDF. While it is cheap, it’s very heavy and will warp with any moisture.

@terryfaugno9242 3 жыл бұрын

Love the 2'X4' ecoboard. I saw the link below to Chesapeake Plywood's webpage about the product, but can't find any info on who carries it. Who are the retailers that carry this product? Lowes and Home Depot were a swing and a miss.

@matthewjohnston1017 3 жыл бұрын

Don’t use MDF in my opinion. It’s cheap, but very heavy and will warp with any moisture. Instead use plywood at least 1/2 inch think. Nearly all lumber yards will have it ( like menards, Home Depot, Lowe’s ex)

@Kubelet 3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewjohnston1017 is there any lightweight alternative that you know of? i have to deck my attic in order to not compress the insulation and im stressed the weight of all the wood is too much

@kynismo88 2 жыл бұрын

I have blown in insulation in my attic. So do I have to remove it from ontop of the sheet rock before I lay down the floor?

@hkirkland3 2 жыл бұрын

Did you get an answer for this? I was under the impression that you could leave it in between sheetrock and the floor.

@alan_leblanc 6 ай бұрын

I'm crushin for sure

@TheEssexSpurs 3 жыл бұрын

insulation?

@stuemler Жыл бұрын

I kept my wires over my board and I only floored toward the center.

@newtrack2000 4 жыл бұрын

Where can I find this wheat straw board?

@newtrack2000 4 жыл бұрын

@@Nickolas.r.smith0Thank you! Great video :-)

@matthewjohnston1017 3 жыл бұрын

Personal opinion. Don’t use MDF boards like this. Very heavy compared to plywood board. And MDF will warp with moisture.

@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын

@@matthewjohnston1017 And apparently that wheat straw stuff is very flammable.

@aagalani 3 жыл бұрын

Is it okay to put notches in the joists to put electrical wires? Need to know because I am going to be doing the same thing?

@polluxtroy69 3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@chadhowell1328 3 жыл бұрын

Good rule of thumb is no more than 1/3 of the joists should be notched. So a 6” tall joists (2x6) should be notched no more than 2”. There’s more to it really but again, it’s a good rule of thumb. Better idea is to unwire whatever it’s running to, drill a small 1/2” hole and then place the wire through it. The more you remove, the weaker you are making the structural member.

@aagalani 3 жыл бұрын

@@chadhowell1328 Thanks you guys.

@nunyabeeswax1780 3 жыл бұрын

NO!!!!!!!

@rupe53 2 жыл бұрын

@@chadhowell1328 ... actually that 1/3 rule is for center penetrations that are more than 2 ft away from an end.

@nukestrom5719 2 жыл бұрын

$100? with or without wood?

@paradoxdea 2 жыл бұрын

I love this video. The presentation is professional, neat, and perfect. Great video!!

@danielschannel701 2 жыл бұрын

She reminds me of the co-host from Hometime I grew up watching.

@markyoung8949 2 жыл бұрын

NEVER nothc a joist - as soon as you do you have compromised the structure.

@user-nc6qh7kf9h Ай бұрын

When was this produced 1997😊

@davidfriedlander9868 Жыл бұрын

If anyone is reading. Can you insulate In between the joists and plywood?

@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын

Yes, you can.

@mikehopkins4040 3 жыл бұрын

Didnt see any insulation under your boards?

@to3634 3 жыл бұрын

Does it matter since it’s in the garage?

@Websitedr 2 жыл бұрын

Why would you cut into your joists to hide a wire? This seems like a really bad plan if there's any weight on those spots.

@Cricketchirps39 3 жыл бұрын

We stored things in our attic and things melted or became dry rotted.

@pearlperlitavenegas2023 2 жыл бұрын

Where are you? I'm in Dallas & would NEVER put anything in the attic !!! Too hot 🔥

@Cricketchirps39 2 жыл бұрын

@@pearlperlitavenegas2023 Pennsylvania. It is a crawl space more so than an attic. Not much storage in my house.

@nholt 7 ай бұрын

Where is the insulation?

@fulcrom4 3 жыл бұрын

Can you say multi tool

@franksuhuang6 2 жыл бұрын

👍👍🌹🌹

@michaelboccanfuso8225 10 ай бұрын

no insulation?whats up with that-no mention at all?

@shaikhahmed7929 2 жыл бұрын

Those joist notchings, yikes!

@trayspells4075 2 жыл бұрын

Gotta be from The 90’s

@tibbytx1 Жыл бұрын

That was so scary watching her lean over that door for the measurement.

@sandybil 2 жыл бұрын

No insulation

@pearlperlitavenegas2023 2 жыл бұрын

Mom jeans 90s

@joeyboy611 2 жыл бұрын

imma watch this video, then work on Mom's attic...

@arnaldorivera7031 3 жыл бұрын

Fucking vexes me when people t wear their tool belt like that.

@wldmike223 2 жыл бұрын

Don’t notch the joists. Not a good idea.

@jermopp 2 жыл бұрын

$100?

@wees313 3 жыл бұрын

5:54 she almost cut the saw power cord, lol.

@jeffreyosiwalajr3458 3 жыл бұрын

maybe a little sloppy handling, but the saw had the guard in place.

@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын

woman.

@MAGAMAN 10 ай бұрын

I like coming back to this video whenever it pops up in a search. I find more problems every single time I watch it. I have a feeling that every time the camera turns off "Ted" takes over, because she is really bad at everything she is showing us how to do.

@jeffreycunningtown5730 2 жыл бұрын

I bought plans from Woodglut and did it very quickly.

@builderlady1857 2 жыл бұрын

I think she needs to do better as if she nailed though the wires by doing what she has done the nails can go in to the cables they should also be be covered .just incase other screws or nails later are put in for other reasons..

@nunyabeeswax1780 3 жыл бұрын

wow! just wow! very poor technique... smh... as previously stated, I would not recommend "notching" your joists, EVER! especially if your are going to be putting more weight on them! then you used a hammer to very crudely knock out the "notches"!! you can clearly see that you don't even hit the right spot every time! again, very poor technique... as another post said (One Girl Gigging), raise it up and leave gaps for wires, pipes, etc. Then put steel plates over the gaps where wires run through to protect them, especially if they are going to be hidden!!

@switchex 2 жыл бұрын

Notching the joist is just fine, we are talking 1/4 of an inch deep and wide. Drilling joists, studs, and wood to run electrical wire through is a common practice and allowed by the code. No difference than a notch.

@andrewm79615 7 ай бұрын

Whole thing for $100? Each panel is at now least $50 in 2023…

@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын

Did you hire an engineer to find out if this attic is suitable for storage? Not all attic spaces are capable of holding a load. You may end up with cracked ceilings or worse by doing this.

@GoTips 3 жыл бұрын

She seems like the kind of person who wants to work fast to get the job done and not so much of a take your time get it done right kind of person 😬

@nickbrown6457 3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Without being disrespectful to her, I think it might be a female chip on the shoulder where a woman is attempting to do what a lot may view as a man's job. She thinks she has to be seen to be so fast and efficient, and just as good as, or better than, a man. Well, she doesn't, she just needs to slow down and I'm sure she'd do a fine job, equal to any man, and better than if she rushes it.

@cthecheese1620 3 жыл бұрын

@@nickbrown6457 What gives y'all that impression? Where do you feel she should have slowed down? She did a fine job, albeit her safety could use some work just like nearly everyone else.

@savagefrito 2 жыл бұрын

Why is there so much fake carpentry skills? The random measuring at the start, the horrible line you made with the carpenter's square, @ 3:55 they didnt even mark where their finger was, and the line is at an angle.

@RS-uo2nd Жыл бұрын

“It would violate code…plus it wouldn’t be safe”.. Proceeds to notch structural floor joists and run screws blindly over it without plates. Insane you guys left her video online, this is wildly unsafe and a perfect way to roll the dice with an attic fire

@GypsieMariposa Жыл бұрын

Please the explain the use of plates, if you have a moment. (I’m trying to learn as much as possible as I can’t really afford to pay someone else to do it).

@RS-uo2nd Жыл бұрын

@@GypsieMariposa Sure, when you have a wire within about 1-1/4” of where you will be nailing or screwing down anything in the future, you use a metal safety plate over top of the wire to prevent a nail or screw hitting it. Obviously a damaged wire can cause a fire. Just look up stud protector plate. They’re cheap. I’m no safety sally, but these really should have been used