B&T GHM9 vs. APC9 PRO 9mm Carbines

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4 жыл бұрын

In this installment of RECOILtv's Gun Room, we join Editor in Chief Iain Harrison as he takes a peek behind two of B&T's most popular models, the GHM9 and the APC9. While very similar in build, there are a few noticeable differences between the two platforms, apart from price that is. Get an inside look at both of the platforms, along with a look at the indoor range in B&T's Swiss headquarters, with Iain and B&T USA CEO Tim Nickler. Follow along as they break down the differences, and as Iain gets to let a couple rounds loose at the range!
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@chiefro7
@chiefro7 4 жыл бұрын
“Pretty damn civilized” should be B&T’s official slogan. Lmao
@keagansilas2259
@keagansilas2259 2 жыл бұрын
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@codynico90
@codynico90 2 жыл бұрын
@Keagan Silas Instablaster :)
@secretasianman7622
@secretasianman7622 Жыл бұрын
I love both models, but I opted for the GHM9-SD in FDE (RBS can) with the coyote B&T lower. Even though it's essentially an elongated block, it looks very unique compared to the other SMG PCC's on the market.
@mentugo
@mentugo 4 жыл бұрын
I love me my GHM9 Gen 2, it came with the glock lower! Next I'll purchase a B&T QD short vertical foregrip :)
@Wordplay7891
@Wordplay7891 4 жыл бұрын
The CEO could not seem more unenthusiastic about these weapons; they really should have brought in a better presenter
@artyomsevchenko6089
@artyomsevchenko6089 4 жыл бұрын
It's noticeable. It's like he was giving a court deposition.
@Capius1272
@Capius1272 3 жыл бұрын
One year later still relevant. Glad I've already made up my mind.
@ChristianGustafson
@ChristianGustafson 2 жыл бұрын
Um, he’s Swiss. He’s actually extremely excited and wild.
@NaglfarCommando
@NaglfarCommando Жыл бұрын
Never been nervous or around anyone who's not used to doing public speaking huh?
@mattwalters6834
@mattwalters6834 Жыл бұрын
May just be his personality.
@angelgutter8249
@angelgutter8249 3 жыл бұрын
I never bothered telling my wife about purchasing my fde apc9k pro with glock lower but she was pissed when I needed her to sign for the delivery of the $600 telescopic brace. I call that a win....
@TheReal_FJB
@TheReal_FJB 2 жыл бұрын
Well played Sir!
@cliffordmontana4562
@cliffordmontana4562 2 жыл бұрын
Lol. I love your comment. I just paid cash for an HK SP5 and a B&T AP9C Pro, and my wife is pissed that I just spent $600 in accessories. If she only knew what I spent she’d cut my balls off.
@rayswiatek5948
@rayswiatek5948 4 жыл бұрын
When are either of them going to be in stock again?
@thebearsblack
@thebearsblack 4 жыл бұрын
i remember ian from top shot! great video guys. looking forward to picking up a ghm9 soon. thanks for the comparison!
@07BlackSpecV
@07BlackSpecV 4 жыл бұрын
Have the GHM9 and love it. Really interested by the SD kit for it but think I'm just going to need to get an APCSD.
@angryGTS
@angryGTS 4 жыл бұрын
The APC9SD is pretty sweet! My local dealer has one for $2900. I was gonna pick it I went with the GHM9 compact since I have a can already but I still went with the SD kit because it’s a better value for me.
@fireboyrasmussen1976
@fireboyrasmussen1976 4 жыл бұрын
Love my GHM9-G. 1300 but need a good brace for extra fun.
@mikethomas5412
@mikethomas5412 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks
@3.2Carrera
@3.2Carrera 4 жыл бұрын
I've got most of the PCC's over the years and these B&T offerings are just at a different level. I picked up both as I was impressed that much.
@johnrobie9694
@johnrobie9694 4 жыл бұрын
Do you feel like the GHM9's modularity is worth the missing refinement?
@thomascaston4644
@thomascaston4644 Жыл бұрын
Do you have a preference between the weapons? Any preference for stocks?
@767dag
@767dag 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for info
@Stoptheliars
@Stoptheliars 4 жыл бұрын
I have an APC45 and it’s my favorite gun that I own or have fired. Even when I took a brand new mp5 clone to the range I found that myself and everyone else spent more time with the APC45 and that says a lot when you waited a year to get the mp5. If I could say one thing about apc9 vs ghm9 would be if you can afford the apc9 even if it might take a bit longer to get the cash together it’s worth it. I bought my APC45 on layaway so I could buy a suppressor for it and receive them both at the same time.
@Mike-hk6rw
@Mike-hk6rw 4 жыл бұрын
AR-.556 .45Tim-1911 really looking hard at a sp5 or B&t .....tough one
@Stoptheliars
@Stoptheliars 4 жыл бұрын
Mike Shafer can’t go wrong with either. I really like the mp5 it was a good shooter. But if I was thinking about serious use where ergonomics could be a factor of life or death then I would take the B&T it is faster to manipulate reloads and clear malfunctions. But I probably would use my rifle if it was down to that kind of use. You can get good with reloading an mp5 I can do it fine and it shoots softer than my B&T but the B&T feels more refined and smooth if that helps. It is a hard choice that’s why I have both platforms I would have the sp5 if it was out when I made the purchase buy the zenith is good enough for me
@andytai9401
@andytai9401 Жыл бұрын
Why is it worth it though? Why is the APC9 better than the GHM9?
@fredted5115
@fredted5115 4 жыл бұрын
Lol, my wife shoots my Ghm9 more than I do.
@bzizzlezman3553
@bzizzlezman3553 4 жыл бұрын
Same here, I have the ghm45.
@royorkesjr.8386
@royorkesjr.8386 2 жыл бұрын
It's her's now
@redryder3550
@redryder3550 4 жыл бұрын
Get both. I did.
@Smittysmithsmith
@Smittysmithsmith 3 жыл бұрын
Same. Love B&T
@thebusey4514
@thebusey4514 4 жыл бұрын
Love my grasshopper mouse. Put a brace and Trijicon MRO on it. It’s cheap to shoot and extremely accurate for a PCC
@TheGaginator
@TheGaginator 3 жыл бұрын
Poor Ian, that B&T dude was a limp noodle of an interview
@djcarmack
@djcarmack 4 жыл бұрын
Been waiting since November for my tax stamp to get approved on my SD kit. I can't wait to shoot the ghm9 suppressed.
@angryGTS
@angryGTS 4 жыл бұрын
Ross Carmack I have a can on my GHM9 and it is very pleasant to shoot. I have the compact model knowing that I was going to run a can on it but I am also waiting for the SD kit so I don’t have to worry about finding subsonic rounds to feed it to keep it nice and quiet since it’s present role is quiet home defense.
@Baldhills
@Baldhills 3 жыл бұрын
Waiting on mine too 😀
@tomahawk5118
@tomahawk5118 3 жыл бұрын
I own original Gen 1 models of both, the APC9 and the GHM9. They are both a pleasure to shoot and I can feel little difference in the experience. Favorite firearms ever.
@jasonisfamous6544
@jasonisfamous6544 2 жыл бұрын
So you're saying I should wait for this guy to trade in his ghm-9 that has a good trigger and something else instead of buying an APC 9 for an extra $700?
@tomahawk5118
@tomahawk5118 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonisfamous6544 that is up to you but I can tell you they both shoot just as nicely as each other. I bought my APC9 first because it was what I wanted. Then, I bought the GHM9 and after shooting it I felt like if I had to get rid of one I wouldn’t feel cheated if the GHM9 was all I could afford. The APC9 is really the flag ship of their 9mm sub guns and the GHM9 was to give shooters a B&T experience at a better price point. They BOTH rock. I suppress mine and they both rock there as well.
@Manbrown1
@Manbrown1 4 жыл бұрын
Do you think a .22 APC with a 12" barrel could be a viable platform in the UK market from a SBR point or even from an integral suppressed option with 12" barrel and fixed stock? Once again great content!
@angryGTS
@angryGTS 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed him say it but the gen 2 of the GHM9 can use the APC9 pro lowers too.
@Baldhills
@Baldhills 3 жыл бұрын
Yes they can. I replaced my GHM9 gen 2 with the B & T mag lower, for a FDE Apc Pro FDE lower that takes Glock magazines. Now I have an SD kit on the way. Love the GHM9!
@dexter5363
@dexter5363 2 жыл бұрын
@@Baldhills where did you get your sd kit?
@duanetucker
@duanetucker 2 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice if the testing at the end either had both without suppressors or both with suppressors to see how the experience compares apples to apples. I would like to know what the recoil difference, if any, there is.
@angryGTS
@angryGTS 4 жыл бұрын
Get the SD kits readily available in the U.S. for the GHM9 and take my money already! 😁
@bfm1q2w
@bfm1q2w 4 жыл бұрын
Glad I help fund your engineering. 😒Bought an OG apc9 like the fist month it hit.
@yourputer
@yourputer 4 жыл бұрын
Bravo Mike “We” funded it, and let’s be honest man we don’t really regret it man! I love my OG apc 9, and while I love the compact GHM9 that APC9 is still amazing lol
@bfm1q2w
@bfm1q2w 4 жыл бұрын
Haha good point. I sure as hell don’t regret it. Ahh dead air wolfman should be outta atf lock up next month. They’ll be a nice couple.
@swiftaudi
@swiftaudi 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think the gen 2 looks as good. And honestly man that's half of why we buy guns right. Yeah I know guns aren't supposed to be pretty, the ar15 would not be as popular if we could play dress up with it though.
@bfm1q2w
@bfm1q2w 4 жыл бұрын
Thomas Wilk hahah yeah I have a couple ken-doll ar’s. But they’re all build for one sole purpose: to exceed at the job you’re designed to do.
@donrichter3523
@donrichter3523 4 жыл бұрын
WTF is Tim Nickler saying around ~2:15-2:00 about the stock end caps having some spanned wrench insert that can be removed to take an AR stock? I sure as hell don’t see this with my GHM9 Gen2! If this is some feature, it damn well should be in the manual. I shouldn’t have to find out from a 3rd party video.
@mentugo
@mentugo 3 жыл бұрын
This would be a very welcomed possibility! Please make this happen B&T because so far I don't know of any B&T option to do that change...
@jnichols959
@jnichols959 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly my question! I was googling to find more info and ran across a 3rd party end cap replacement by Modern Warriors to allow an M4 brace/stock tube. But this guy's the head of B&T USA and says the end cap already allows for an M4 tube?!?
@NaglfarCommando
@NaglfarCommando Жыл бұрын
This is what I focused on as well. Specially that I'd like to have one with a SBA3 or 4 on a GHM9.
@oscartrujillo5823
@oscartrujillo5823 4 жыл бұрын
So, did I hear him correctly; does the GHM9 have a reciprocating charging handle still in Gen2? Or did they make it like the APC 9?
@Baldhills
@Baldhills 3 жыл бұрын
It is still reciprocating. You can buy the folding charging handle as an accessory from B&T though. Also the jet funnel from the APC fits on the GHM.
@AMG454PRO
@AMG454PRO 3 жыл бұрын
The gen 2 GHM9 charging handle is non-reciprocating, also it is easily swappable to either side and you can buy a foldable charging handle for it as well.
@frankharet8865
@frankharet8865 2 жыл бұрын
@@AMG454PRO Gen 2 has a reciprocating charging handle
@AMG454PRO
@AMG454PRO 2 жыл бұрын
@@frankharet8865 you are correct, I found out that it is reciprocating a while back
@starquake7909
@starquake7909 4 жыл бұрын
How does he keep his eye from flinching?
@robertbiermann4666
@robertbiermann4666 4 жыл бұрын
What red dot was on the APC9-pro?
@al1engreyassh0le4
@al1engreyassh0le4 3 жыл бұрын
aimpoint comp m4 i believe
@s-48group39
@s-48group39 3 жыл бұрын
Sooooo can u just buy the SD rail put it on and run the can you already own? He keeps saying it's a kit... Do you have to buy the full kit?
@DAP-1776
@DAP-1776 4 жыл бұрын
Love b&t
@NiMi93
@NiMi93 4 жыл бұрын
Sig mags are for which lower? I thought it's either Glock or the proprietary stuff?
@fireboyrasmussen1976
@fireboyrasmussen1976 4 жыл бұрын
Sig lower, not out yet
@NiMi93
@NiMi93 4 жыл бұрын
@@fireboyrasmussen1976 Ah gotcha, thanks for that I'll stick with the Glock version as mags are / will probably remain the cheapest option
@bev8200
@bev8200 4 жыл бұрын
So the ghm9 doesn't have a hardened bolt?
@durayenterprisesllc4440
@durayenterprisesllc4440 3 жыл бұрын
IKR? Odd thing to say.
@muffemod
@muffemod 4 жыл бұрын
APC9 modular grip tho
@bev8200
@bev8200 3 жыл бұрын
They just came out with a 2k bolt action 9mn
@cd-kd8mb
@cd-kd8mb 2 жыл бұрын
Got the apc9 pro in fde w the madching sb fde folding arm brace..best pcc i own.even better than my sp5..im getting the ghm 9 next....then the apc.223...dont tell my wife.lol..
@maxwellmortimermontoure7274
@maxwellmortimermontoure7274 2 жыл бұрын
I really wish the telescoping brace adapter was easier to find! Can’t decide which one I want, leaning towards the APC9.
@rnginu59
@rnginu59 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to know where I can find a GHM9 for $800-$900.
@bfm1q2w
@bfm1q2w 4 жыл бұрын
Robert Walker he said thats the cost difference between the ghm and the apc.
@rnginu59
@rnginu59 4 жыл бұрын
@@bfm1q2w 10 4 thanks for clarifying that, I was obviously very excited and "jumped the gun." Happy shooting!
@bfm1q2w
@bfm1q2w 4 жыл бұрын
Hah no worries. You too, sir.
@Jerry9s
@Jerry9s 4 жыл бұрын
He's not that great at explaining things. He also had me confused with the end cap discussion around the 2 minute mark. CEOs shouldn't always be a company's spokesperson.
@rnginu59
@rnginu59 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jerry9s yeah I agree. He was a little hard to follow. Maybe he was just nervous in front of the camera
@bev8200
@bev8200 3 жыл бұрын
Ps sale apc uppers in the us
@carter5.569
@carter5.569 4 жыл бұрын
Why would they put him out there get someone that keeps me awake
@NaglfarCommando
@NaglfarCommando Жыл бұрын
So... can we get an update on the back cap comment? Can't find a damn thing beyond him saying it in this vid.
@Guinness1066
@Guinness1066 4 жыл бұрын
Carbeen and not carbiiiiine apparently 🤪
@floridaman2504
@floridaman2504 3 жыл бұрын
900 all i see is 1500 sadly im gonna have to get a ugly skorpion
@CClizzy
@CClizzy 3 жыл бұрын
Send me the locations where i can buy one for 800 bucks!!!
@dabigshow6830
@dabigshow6830 4 жыл бұрын
Are these California legal?
@wraccoresxenos2212
@wraccoresxenos2212 4 жыл бұрын
Not. At. All.
@CClizzy
@CClizzy 3 жыл бұрын
Might cause cancer in CA....i guess
@sicarrioh3395
@sicarrioh3395 Жыл бұрын
GET OUT ‼️
@jager6863
@jager6863 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, Iain is awesome the other guy, not so much. He was soooooo boring, I almost fell asleep. Why not be honest and let everyone know that the GHM9 is really called the "Grasshopper Mouse", which is a carnivorous rodent that howls like a wolf to let everyone know where its territory is located. The Mouse eats poisonous centipedes and most importantly "Scorpions" and it is immune from their venomous sting as well. (They live in AZ right where Iain calls home) B&T even has an "Easter Egg" with a little cartoon on the bottom of the receiver that you see when disassembled. Swiss quality at a bargain price, in relative terms. Maybe B&T should hire me, LOL. The US Army announced May 29, 2019 that B&T was selected and adopted by them to replace the MP5 in Army service. Kind of a BIG DEAL!!!!! Why no mention???? Why no trigger time on the MP9 or the TP9 version??? If you're making the trip to CH, at least shoot everything they have.
@christopherboerstra7495
@christopherboerstra7495 4 жыл бұрын
Sold my GHM9 after multiple failures every.. single... magazine. They don't give the mags away either. Crappy/expensive magazines with soft and fast wearing feed lips. If I was to buy another B&T it would have to be the APC9 with glock mags. Gun shoots amazing, and it's very accurate, but I can't tolerate an unreliable gun.
@fireboyrasmussen1976
@fireboyrasmussen1976 4 жыл бұрын
Your complaint is why I waited for the glock ghm9 gen 2 version. Love it.
@thegolflife7565
@thegolflife7565 4 жыл бұрын
APC9 and the Noveske Space Invader are king!
@bfm1q2w
@bfm1q2w 4 жыл бұрын
The Golf Life space invader is garbage. Noveske doesn’t exist any more. For, he’s dead. Rip John.
@mart2224
@mart2224 4 жыл бұрын
Spot on Bravo Mike. Noveske space invader is a range toy intended to fool noobs. The real Noveske is long gone.
@bfm1q2w
@bfm1q2w 4 жыл бұрын
Bit O’ FYI. The remnant of what was noveske is now V-seven.
@jayjuggrnaut
@jayjuggrnaut 8 ай бұрын
It may seem contradictory as a taxpayer, but I love the boring, brutal honesty of the B&T guy saying that the cheaper civilian GHM9 is as good as the military APC9 Pro. I'm a happy CZ Scorpion owner, but I may take a look at the Grasshopper Mouse9.
@ScottAT
@ScottAT 4 жыл бұрын
A shame the lighting is poor.
@catman4x466
@catman4x466 4 жыл бұрын
Scott. Right ! like somebody used an old halogen mag light for the lighting. Lol
@sombojoe
@sombojoe Ай бұрын
When stating a gun name, you really need to annunciate.
@ckkevin9620
@ckkevin9620 4 жыл бұрын
I ended up selling my B&T APC9K Pro. I have an MPX SBRd, CMMG Banshee, and picked up an SP5 when they hit the market a few months ago. The APC just didn't do a lot more (if anything) than the subguns I already had. The Banshee with it's delayed roller blowback, to me, is a softer shooter and has AR controls. The SP5 I just had to have and glad I bought it. B&T are great guns but I think they are a little overpriced and there are better options out there.
@mentugo
@mentugo 4 жыл бұрын
Talking about overpriced B&T guns guns and buying a HK SP5 doesn't go together 😅 because for what they do, just being neutered MP5s they don't do a whole lot besides sporting the expensive HK Logo.
@ckkevin9620
@ckkevin9620 4 жыл бұрын
mentugo why are they neutered MP5s? 🙄 I’d much rather spend the money on an SP5 for the nostalgia and the collectibility. The SP5/MP5 is part of history. It’s a softer shooter and has the HK slap. The B&T was nothing more than an overpriced blowback 9mm subgun with somewhat odd controls. Like I said, I’d rather have my MPX (with AR controls), my Banshee (delayed roller blowback with AR controls) and a nostalgic gun like the SP5 with the slap and sell the redundant overpriced B&T. If you can’t understand that then you’ve never owned enough 9mm subguns to know better. Have a nice day!
@ClaíomhDClover
@ClaíomhDClover 4 жыл бұрын
mentugo mp5 gang. Mp5k is still a true mp5.
@69deputy
@69deputy 4 жыл бұрын
The only thing missing on the sp5 is a select fire trigger pack. Thanks to the republican president Reagan you can no longer purchase a new one!
@guccitacticool6316
@guccitacticool6316 4 жыл бұрын
69deputy lol most people forget or don’t know he was a gun grabbing paid shill
@Tacdriver10
@Tacdriver10 4 жыл бұрын
Why are company's still doing business with DuPont. Teflon coated.
@vincentpeloso7304
@vincentpeloso7304 2 жыл бұрын
gmh is a "man barbie" well then. . .
@jareddavis1919
@jareddavis1919 4 жыл бұрын
FIRST!!! Where is my cookie!!!
@DinoNucci
@DinoNucci 4 жыл бұрын
Even your family hates you.
@TeraQuad
@TeraQuad 4 жыл бұрын
It's cached in your browser.
@loungemen662
@loungemen662 4 жыл бұрын
🍪
@everettmarc8785
@everettmarc8785 3 жыл бұрын
Low energy narrative
@balisong9575
@balisong9575 3 жыл бұрын
goddam recoil TV i can do a helluva lot better than this snooze fest dude you got
@thomascoonradt4456
@thomascoonradt4456 2 ай бұрын
GHM9 was designed to be Man-Barbie? WTF
@300blk8
@300blk8 4 жыл бұрын
Sig mag a lot better then the glock mag's
@DinoNucci
@DinoNucci 4 жыл бұрын
Ur mom
@edwinro77
@edwinro77 2 жыл бұрын
THIS GUN SUCKS. EXTRACTOR BLEW OUT AGAIN!
@DinoNucci
@DinoNucci 4 жыл бұрын
CMMG radial delay FTW, these are grossly ugly.
@champy1210
@champy1210 4 жыл бұрын
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder. In your case, you ought to put that 20th beer down or get your vision checked; these subguns are beautiful!
@ClaíomhDClover
@ClaíomhDClover 4 жыл бұрын
champy1210 automatic ones sure. At semi it doesn’t matter much lol. Get yourself a beer m8
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