Recording & Mixing Real Metal Drums | Megadeth Drummer Dirk Verbeuren

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Watch producer Adair Daufembach record & mix acclaimed drummer Dirk Verbeuren (Megadeth, Cadaver), using plugins to get authentic metal drum tones without samples, for both tracking and the final mix. Get the free plugin presets: www.waves.com/metal-drums
(1:32) Part 1: Drum Tracking
(1:36) Kick
(2:25) Snare
(5:14) Overheads
(6:16) Toms
(8:27) Part 2: Final Mix
(9:35) Kick
(11:00) Snare
(13:33) Overheads
(14:37) Room
Waves plugins used in this video:
SSL E-Channel: www.waves.com/plugins/ssl-e-c...
Smack Attack: www.waves.com/plugins/smack-a...
C4 Multiband Compressor: www.waves.com/plugins/c4-mult...
CLA MixHub: www.waves.com/plugins/cla-mixhub
SSL G-Equalizer: www.waves.com/plugins/ssl-g-e...
SSL G-Master Buss Compressor: www.waves.com/plugins/ssl-g-m...
L2 Ultramaximizer: www.waves.com/plugins/l2-ultr...
Renaissance Equalizer: www.waves.com/plugins/renaiss...
NLS Non-Linear Summer: www.waves.com/plugins/nls-non...
Abbey Road Chambers: www.waves.com/plugins/abbey-r...
CLA Drums: www.waves.com/plugins/cla-drums

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@elmechanico185 4 жыл бұрын

The world truly needs more real drums

@sylvainnavarro5570 4 жыл бұрын

True! Although playing fast extreme metal without samples really takes a drummer as good as Dirk...

@BananaManPL 4 жыл бұрын

@@sylvainnavarro5570 Well then, it's about time for us drummers to get to work! Who said good music has to be easy?

@Syklonus 4 жыл бұрын

The concept of "real" drums is a fallacy. Compression and EQ all change the sound of the original drum part recording, which are basically one long sample anyway. Using a sample doesn't make a performance any better or easier to play (in other words it's not cheating), it just changes the sound. It's EXACTLY the same as a guitar amp - it takes the acoustic signal and changes the sound. I think things like this video are great experiments, but there's nothing wrong with using a sample, especially if you are smart and BLEND it with the acoustic sound. This bullshit about "real" drums is just for gatekeepers and elitists. Focus on the music, not how it's recorded.

@jmasson3272 4 жыл бұрын

@@Syklonus having the true Acoustic sound is at least, what we should all hear when it comes to drumming

@sylvainnavarro5570 4 жыл бұрын

@@Syklonus A very wise man once said "the only thing that matters is what comes out of the speakers", and I fully agree with that. If your drum processing involves reinforcing the acoustic sound with samples, there's strictly nothing wrong with that... I would even go as far as saying that some music genres such as extreme metal with 200+bpm blast beats actually require samples to sound good. But once in a while, you'll get guys like Dirk or Peter Wildoer who do not need samples cuz they manage to hit both super fast AND super hard... Another point to take into consideration is indeed the drummer's drums, settings,, sound, touch and overall sonic identity which very often get buried under samples. And it would be disingenuous to say that "classic" processing (eq, comp, gate, exp, transient designing, etc.) erase a drummer's original sound as much as actually replacing hits with samples. What do you think? (BTW, not antagonizing here, just exchanging ideas for the pleasure of it...)

@BrunoValverdedrummer 4 жыл бұрын

Adair and Dirk are awesome professionals. Very nice video.

@adairdaufembach 4 жыл бұрын

Bruno Valverde Thank you my friend! “É nózes”! 😂😂😂💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

@TheOccultationProject 3 жыл бұрын

They’re both super nice also. I’ve worked with them a couple times. I plan on hiring them again in the future.

@tadasis1237 4 жыл бұрын

At last!!! Real Drums! Thanx for this one! You made my day! This is how metal drums must be recorded in 2020...

@MrBikboi 5 ай бұрын

This is really a phenomenal video, got to see Dirk with Megadeth last summer and he killed it.

4 жыл бұрын

Adair is awesome! Congratulations, WAVES 🖤🐰

@UnearthlyViking 4 жыл бұрын

Very inspiring. Bringing real drums back.

@greghillmusic Жыл бұрын

As opposed to fake drums? "Fake drums" are made by recording real drums.

@MrBikboi 5 ай бұрын

@@greghillmusic Cope more Greg

@greghillmusic 5 ай бұрын

Huh?@@MrBikboi

@andyham6094 4 жыл бұрын

Matt garstka is a true believer in this as well. He loves the raw drum sound like on the madness of many mostly is all real drums with very very minimal quantizing only on very few parts.

@rodragains Жыл бұрын

Stellar!! Adair, this was very inspiring Thankyou

4 жыл бұрын

What a duo! Awesome video

@slavesforging5361 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. thank you. i never thought of putting some basic plugins on the drums for the performers mix while tracking. guess i haven't done enough live mixing to think of that. definitely going to have to play around with that and see how it affects performance.

@1dnery 4 жыл бұрын

Trabalho incrível , obrigado Adair!

@mariocaballero461 4 жыл бұрын

Cool vid, love Dirk playing

@PaulEubanks 2 жыл бұрын

The final mix drums sound so strange and anemic when solo'd, but in the mix context it all sounds incredible. This is black magic voodoo wizardry.

@FVDaudio 4 жыл бұрын

Real drums... Welcome. And... Reaper!! Thanks. #WavesPower #ReaperPower

@RenanBEreanSound 4 жыл бұрын

Master Adair, thank you for the lesson!

@DanielRezendeGuitar 4 жыл бұрын

Que espetáculo! Muito generoso da sua parte compartilhar todo esse conhecimento.Obrigado e parabéns!

@guibollini6141 4 жыл бұрын

Excelent professionals and great tips! Thank u!

@claudinhomendonca2329 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome, as usual !

@BlackenedNL 4 жыл бұрын

Loved the video! Will try a similar tracking approach and see how the studio fares with latency

@drummerjeroensimons 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Dirk!! Great job man!!! Cheers from your (then) northern neighbour, Jeroen Simons, Independent, ex- Epica.

@drumbitious_mirna6999 2 жыл бұрын

Adair is so good at explaining this. Love it.

@JeserNoob 8 ай бұрын

This sounds so badass

@pierrebuchmann 4 жыл бұрын

Dirk is a great drummer and Adair make that drum sounds like more aggressive, this is amazing!

@BrunoAnana 4 жыл бұрын

THANKS ADAIIIIIIRRR! The best thing from Criciúma ever hehehe

@GabrielCarrara 4 жыл бұрын

Usando o REAPER ainda, FUDIDO Adair!

@JoaoVitor-nq1bu 4 жыл бұрын

O vazamento na caixa e no bumbo é tão inexistente que parece mentira. Nunca vi um trabalho tão bom com baterias sem sample. Adair, será que rola explicar num post ou num video como você controla o vazamento durante a gravação e durante a mixagem? Parabéns pelo trabalho, cê tá mandando muito!

@franciscardoso6092 2 жыл бұрын

Que som Monstruoso @Adair!!!! TOP DEMAIS!

@BrunodeSouzaLino 4 жыл бұрын

Video is already a cut above the rest for not using Pro Tools or Logic Pro.

@slavesforging5361 4 жыл бұрын

AS a cubase user, i'm always infinitely glad when someone is using anything other than the hot mess that is a pro tools screen.

@tommacmillan8831 4 жыл бұрын

as a reaper user, I love this

@theblackstoneconspiracy4745 4 жыл бұрын

Very helpful video. thank you

@voronOsphere 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Professors!

@locifer696 3 жыл бұрын

I personally don’t mind a good sample or two as an additive element in the mix. However those drums sounded pretty damn tasty during the tracking phase. Hard not to play well when you sound that good, crisp & tight. Well done!!!💯🔥🤔

@MaxGeorgiev 4 жыл бұрын

Adair is the man!

@helinton74 4 жыл бұрын

That's the right way to do it!

@hyperactivists9390 Жыл бұрын

thanks good tutorial

@elopecreamble 4 жыл бұрын

Adair is great!

@SalParadise 4 жыл бұрын

well explained. thanks

@JhonattanReis 4 жыл бұрын

Adair, I Love You! 🤘🏻🖤

@sesariotohpati2593 2 жыл бұрын

Awesomeeee

@kramdellakram7247 4 жыл бұрын

Reaper being given some love in a professional setting. Nice!

@LeandroNCoppi 4 жыл бұрын

Que dupla!

@luizfelipepereira7011 4 жыл бұрын

Caraca, parabéns Dada

@siriusfun 4 жыл бұрын

This was a good vid. It would've been even more helpful to show mic selection and placement, though - without getting that right, no amount of plug ins will help.

@slavesforging5361 4 жыл бұрын

yeah, came here for mic setup and acoustic panel usage. instead got a great tip for putting some basic plugins on your drummers haedphone mix while recording. i'm embarrassed to say i never thought of that! Gonna have to test it out on myself someday. see how i like how it affects the drum performance, once everything is done and mixed.

@dougmorato 4 жыл бұрын

If there’s something I’m 100% sure it’s gonna be great, it’s music produced by Adair. I’m kinda guessing the new Megadeth is gonna have Adair onboard??? 🙏 Brasil 🇧🇷 porra...

@dsddsdd7566 4 жыл бұрын

I hope not, the drums here are way too processed, they sound lifeless. Maybe it's just typical in the genre, but i don't like that sound at all.

@Donato2082 4 жыл бұрын

OOOOOMMMMMGGGG!!! Supeeer coooll!!!

@alfonsomartinez2751 2 жыл бұрын

I really hope we get to listen to an organic drum sound on the new megadeth record

@ronaldobahia8065 3 жыл бұрын

Excelent tutorial

@felixdorn21 3 жыл бұрын

Hello, nice approach in 2020 :) i would like to know which OH Mics had been used ?cheers

@guyomepxfx1 Жыл бұрын

I've seen AKG C1000, pretty close to the crash, so i'm not sure if that's the one, but on different Dirk sessions he used it as well, so probably. That's the one i use for many years, they sounds great and are pretty cheap

@victorloya1590 4 жыл бұрын

The kick and toms sound really good raw, which mics were used ?

@dissaorlavey6943 4 жыл бұрын

Glenn Flicker would love watch this xdxd

@XiyuYang 4 жыл бұрын

His mix sucks, and frankly, this one isn't good either.

@rodrigofalln 3 жыл бұрын

Which one is a good one? Im new to this , thank you

@frontline242assembly 4 жыл бұрын

This what I am talking about!!!!! Real drums on a new metal album!!!!!!!!!!!! The gods have answered my prayers!

@askwho69 4 жыл бұрын

Tracking with plugins? How about latency issue?

@denniskoore 4 жыл бұрын

Clean and punchy are the keywords here

@hanappe75 4 жыл бұрын

What's about latency using all those plugins during tracking?? How much latency did you get guys??

@adairdaufembach 4 жыл бұрын

hanappe75 It’s possible on Reaper, maybe not on Pro Tools. Reaper is SUPER light. Thanks for commenting the video. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

@greghillmusic Жыл бұрын

How are you having him monitor as he plays without latency?

@christiancastro8635 4 жыл бұрын

What song is that in the beginning? And by who?

@VladicD 4 жыл бұрын

I like sound of drums from recording session, but not in the final mix...

@adairdaufembach 4 жыл бұрын

void I knew someone would say that, you the recording settings on the mix. It works too. Thanks for the comment! 🤘🏻🤘🏻

@victorbicudo1374 4 жыл бұрын

that's why samples are used.

@obscurename2727 4 жыл бұрын

Is it just me or did he not discuss any tom treatments at final mix stage. I would like to hear how he got bleed out of them without just replacing the individual hits.

@KeatonSilverBeats 2 жыл бұрын

Because he replaced them with samples but thats no good for the video title

@LucasMoscardini 4 жыл бұрын

Adair is the best! 🤘

@marcin2x4 3 жыл бұрын

The song is 'Circle of Morbidity'

@majorlee1 4 жыл бұрын

Real drums!!!!!!!

@bandabarrilvirado 4 жыл бұрын

🇧🇷👊

@TheMajikTom Жыл бұрын

Is that a 52 on the floor?

@RuiBarreiros 4 жыл бұрын

Finally, real music!

@MyBichSustained 4 жыл бұрын

Real drums digital processing.

@uchihaitachidan 4 жыл бұрын

That sound, that engineer, that's the same engineer that worked with Aquiles Priester.

@MaverickMustaine 4 жыл бұрын

Real drums sounding like samples

@toerti9589 4 жыл бұрын

Well, samples are also real drums.

@victorbicudo1374 4 жыл бұрын

exactly

@MaverickMustaine 4 жыл бұрын

Toerti sure...but with absolutely no dynamic

@toerti9589 4 жыл бұрын

@@MaverickMustaine By itself a good drum library like superior drummer has plenty of dynamics. To much compression is more of a general problem in mixing nowadays, and the listeners to some degree expect a certain amount of loudness, especially in more agressive metal genres. And the drums somehow have to cut through quadruple layered guitars and what not. So what would be an example of a (extreme) metal record with a dynamic sounding drumkit? I can't recall one.

@MaverickMustaine 4 жыл бұрын

Toerti absolutely agree with the extreme metal genra...let me move away

@Kafurao 4 жыл бұрын

Brazilllllllllllllll 🇧🇷

@santinhoww 3 жыл бұрын

00:38 LOL turn the captions xD

@Ochatach 4 жыл бұрын

Great, a video showing how to take real drums sound like an 808. :P Waves plugins are great but they are supposed to be used more subtle.

@Otezandrey 4 жыл бұрын

11:32 snare ring about 200 Hz fundamental tone? Omg.

@8KILLSTEP 4 жыл бұрын

Wut? ?

@XiyuYang 4 жыл бұрын

You should cover the most important aspect of mixing live drums: phase alignment, and still advertise InPhase. Also a gate isn't a good solution to bleed at this tempo, it's not fast and accurate enough (3:11) notice how choppy and unnatural this is. This is a Waves commercial for its products, that's fine, but it would have been great if you include some really important things like phase.

@Guppusmaximus 4 жыл бұрын

Dat St. Anger snare dough.

@muleblues71 4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget POWERMAD

@bprice1018 4 жыл бұрын

using reaper hell yea

@SimonJification 4 жыл бұрын

What he does not explain here, is that he has shifted the pitch of the snare down. How much, I can’t tell. That’s why the snare ring cut is at ~200hz. If you tune a snare that low naturally, you’d want to dampen it and a low tension makes it harder to play blast and other stuff you need a lot of rebound for. It’s all ok, just that it is a bit misleading to say ”natural sound” when pitch shifted is not natural.

@estebanfigueroa8844 3 жыл бұрын

Who the f can give a Thumbs down on this video? wtf

@Sunkenballs12 Жыл бұрын

Can someone direct me to an old video of this funny guy with a funny accent "recording real metal drums with just one midrophone" it was funny and i cant find it

@ctld5266 4 жыл бұрын

it's obvious that the snare is replaced...

@adairdaufembach 4 жыл бұрын

Please contact me on instagram in case you come to Los Angeles, I'll be more than glad to take you to my studio and show it to you. :)

@theycallmefilip 4 жыл бұрын

#reapermasterrace

@AlessandroRorato 4 жыл бұрын

In several points of this video we can see that there are at least 1024 samples of delay using plugins in tracking. That means more or less at least 21 ms of DAW latency (maybe more considering ad/da roundup). That means that there is NO WAY that a pro drummer can play 4658700 bpm blast beat with metronome hearing from him self on headphones in real time. Why do you Waves guys always believe we are totally stupid?

@adairdaufembach 4 жыл бұрын

Alessandro Rorato Follow me on instagram to see me recording drums. @adairdaufembach The samples were at 1024 because I was recording the video too with Quicktime player, which is extremely CPU consuming. If you’re using reaper you can easily use that amount of plugins if you a 16gb RAM computer. I’d never agree on recording a video lying about anything. On Pro Tools maybe is not possible to do it, but in Reaper is absolutely possible.

@snapascrew 4 жыл бұрын

Hmmmm

@doublebass1985 4 жыл бұрын

Nobody else like the video so it's stuck at 666 likes

@MrGul 2 жыл бұрын

So, making a video about recording drums without using samples, and not even mentioning anything regarding which microphones were used or how they were placed? Aaaaalright, then...

@Markcello 4 жыл бұрын

Thats the exactly the sound that i hate!

@StanleyGurvich 4 жыл бұрын

Why do metal drums always sound like tiny tuna cans

@DapperHesher 4 жыл бұрын

You're listening to wrong metal productions, Hoss.

@siriusfun 4 жыл бұрын

@@DapperHesher Nah, he's right. They're scooped and compressed to shit. It's a feature of the genre largely due to the tempos at which most songs are performed at. Can't have low frequencies building up.

@lunafiguereo5710 4 жыл бұрын

Man, just talk to drop and Benjamin and record the best SYBREED album and top Antares.....plissss. you know got the leverage, game, money and influence to make it happen bro. Dont you feel depressed that the genious Drop is wasting his unearthly groove cyber talent playing "bass" for Samael....come on Dirk Pliss, do the ultimate justice and get those guys together for just two weeks or a month to do it. The whole world will thank you eternally!

@gastonjabaly 4 жыл бұрын

So there you have it kids thats is how a real drumkit sounds in case you never heard one...lol

@wyattsexton7083 4 жыл бұрын

The problem with all these programs/software is it deadens the drum tracks. And if all other instruments are using similar software the music sounds totally flat and has no depth. Listen to today's metal music using all these programs and software and then listen to the albums from the 60's to the early 90's when most recordings didn't have software to limit the sounds - you'll hear depth in that music had. Software makes things easier but it looses a lot of the depth and warmth.

@surgicalaudio8829 4 жыл бұрын

Software are not responsible for that, engineers are (compressing everything in your face is the reason)

@BrunodeSouzaLino 4 жыл бұрын

It's not the plugins. The problem is the extreme amount of isolation and bleed control, which essentially turns your drum set into an expensive drum machine. That would be the same as recording a piano by micing each string individually.

@funkster007 4 жыл бұрын

Real drums mixed to not sound like real drums. That's the point Wyatt's trying to make here.

@BrunodeSouzaLino 4 жыл бұрын

@@funkster007 Real drums mixed with modern techniques sound like drum machines.

@victorbicudo1374 4 жыл бұрын

don't blame software. Blame everybody that has been making music louder and louder so there's no more dynamic range, compressing and limiting the shit out of everything. You can go right now and have a nice dynamic and quiet mix, like the 70's (just do'nt overcompress it and you're set), but that's not where the industry is going.

@xtremegohorse 4 жыл бұрын

So, no real drums then. Everything is photoshoped. :D

@Themonist 4 жыл бұрын

I see no difference between this and recording vdrums or whatever.

@xtremegohorse 4 жыл бұрын

@@Themonist Yep. No difference whatsoever. Just more work for the sound guy.

@alexhooi7970 4 жыл бұрын

The difference is that the drummer in the band is actually performing the part. With samples, you get a drummer in a really nice studio with really nice mics hitting drums at different volumes. Sure it might "sound better" but at that point you're not even playing with the drummer in your band because all the characteristics in his touch and techniques are replaced by someone else. These plug-ins alter the Timbre of drums to help it sit better in the mix. Not alter the performance

@xtremegohorse 4 жыл бұрын

@@alexhooi7970 Sure! That's a plus. It's just like photoshop. You have a real model posing, but it's so artificialy tweeked to look nice that it looses it's soul. Sorry... that's organic drums on a pc. Not real drums like it's sold on the title.

@alexhooi7970 4 жыл бұрын

I definitely agree that the post processing here is a little over the top, perhaps that was what they were going for artistically. But imo photoshop for music would be something like quantizing the performance and what not. I wouldn't normally be so extreme with the eq, but that was the whole point of the video, to demonstrate how much these plugins can do. Thanks for the reply!

@timjourdanmedia 4 жыл бұрын

finlly someone who gets it. fuck samples. leave humanitys imperfection in. makes it more interesting to listen to. Thats the problem with modern metal. evryone uses the same samples and therefore everyone sounds the same. And the art of recording and mixing stellr sounding tracks gets lost.

@Syklonus 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry, but the kick drum sounds inconsistent and flabby. It's darts in and out of audibility, and it's the one part that really could have use a sample. Even if it was a sample of the actual kick drum of that kit, but either way it needed something consistent. There's a reason that kick drum triggers are so popular in metal, because the sound is so dense that it NEEDS that consistent one level click to cut through. The rest sounds great though.