Red Wolf vs. S510 - Which groups better at 50 meters?

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2 жыл бұрын

In this video I take both of these guns out at a longer distance - 50 meters. Which one do you think groups best out of the two?
Take care!
Chris

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@jonwhitehead200 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video again Chris. I now own the Air Arms 510 that you used and it is part of my coaching arsenal at Holbrook Farm Shooting. The first job will be to tune the trigger which is too heavy. This will undoubtably improve the accuracy. Perhaps a comparison video with my R10se?

@bellshooter 2 жыл бұрын

Good to see this comparison, but you would expect a £2200 gun to be better than a £800 one. A better match would be a Wolverine against a 510 Regulated , closer maybe? I have a 510 Tench regulated Ultimate Sporter, and that is zeroed at 50yds , where I usually shoot. It can produce ragged 1 hole groups at 50 yds with FX heavies (wind dependant) and with a better shooter than I. Keep up the good content!

@markhomer5704 2 жыл бұрын

Dunno what to say really , its well documented of what I think about accuracy testing @ 50yrs outside , lot of variables to consider . It must be said though , the redwolf does SEEM to have the edge on average as far as accuracy goes , nevertheless , the S510 is predominantly an hunting gun , and I bet not a lot of hunters would chance a shot @ 50mtrs / yrds on live quarry , of course there are hunters out there that DO go out to those ranges , I'd guess these guys ( gals ) hunt regularly and are competent . So , that in mind ( as far as target shooting goes ) , would I put my Skoda Fabia up against my mates 700bhp Nissan Skyline in a drag race ... ? ... well actually I would , but id look a right tit if I'd placed money on myself .. To recap , is the Redwolf an hunting gun , well yeah , yeah it is , but would you cart a £2000 rifle around , risking dropping it in pig shit , or getting ragged about in woodland risking damaging that gorgeous stock ? Mmmm dunno about that ( unless you have more money then sense ) Is the S510 a target rifle , well yeah , yeah it is , but it aint gonna win the world bench rest championship .. but what it WILL do , is give an excellent account of itself on an HFT course .. ive seen it , and bettered a few redwolves too boot ... SO ... what's this all boil down too you ask .. and the ansewr is ... ..... ... you decide I'm having a beer

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

I guess it's down to perspective. I know there will be people who prefer the 510, I prefer the Red Wolf! I have certainly scratches on the stock too... I use it all the time!

@markhomer5704 2 жыл бұрын

@@southwestshooters True Chris .. very true .. Anyway , off too the range sunday , Mrs ain't had her CLX back ( trigger problem ) so im lending her my R10 , which hasn't been shot for a long while , probably 6 months plus .. think im gonna take my Brocock , and do some 6pfe ( 6.2 last time I chronoed it ) testing with different weight pellets , probably over 30mtrs ,...,, 35 - 40 is a bit too much .. that said , I had some lead free pellets delivered today JSB's 6.79grn , might give em a go out to the longer distances .. Must add though , did a bit of shooting on me 30mtr range at home ( garden ) with the Brocock , with its favoured Baracuda FT pellets , just under 10 grn , can't remember exactly .. full power 10 shot groups with mags , can just ( with a bit showing ) covered by a 5p , with single shot tray though , both 10 shot groups easily covered by a 5p ... now ... half power ( 9 ish pfe ) single shot tray only , 5 shots NOT so good , probably be covered with a 50p JUST .. oh , and a drop of about ( and I mean about , as I hadn't got a ruler to hand ) 1.5 inches ... right , down too 6pfe ( 6.2 ) 5 shots single shot tray , and a drop of around 2.5 inches a group , well I can't say group as 4 went through the same hole , what I mean by that is ONE hole , no cloverleaf hole , a perfect one pellet hole , amazed even me ( oh btw , they did actually go through as I counted the lead in the catcher) UNFORTUNATELY the 5th pellet had a mind of its own and landed about an inch away ... gutted .. absolutely gutted , wern't gonna shoot a fifth and risk spoil what WAS the perfect group , but I did ..

@johnrichards5440 2 жыл бұрын

Well said ,and spot on love it 👍

@timwade8766 Жыл бұрын

Very good channel, thank you.

@michaelnsally 2 жыл бұрын

I have the AA S510 XS and it’s a nail driver at 50 yards. My first air rifle and I love it!

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

Good man. You have excellent taste in guns.

@damienhughes3168 2 жыл бұрын

I have 1 the same & i agree its a driver at 50yds with the right pellet 👍

@heithwatkins 2 жыл бұрын

I love both rifles. But the RedWolf is a dream gun. I want one in 177cal HP. In HP it's capable of 40ft pounds in 177cal. But I like the standard version as well. 🇺🇸👍

@motu-ki3el 2 жыл бұрын

In every dictionary in the world, next to the word "wonderful" there should be a picture of the Daystate Red Wolf. What a rifle, what precision, what beauty!

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

You certainly have a good taste in air rifles!

@gallantone1535 2 жыл бұрын

The best way would be to have a air arms shooter doing this as well i think this would give a better reference

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic idea.

@simontanner 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video very interesting 👍🏻

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Simon!

@jamesgreen4080 2 жыл бұрын

I think that as Air Rifle enthusiasts we can all understand and appreciate the love a man has for their rifle. In all my time shooting I have never come across any Snobbery regarding rifles, only interest.

@jamesgreen4080 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris, I have an S400 and S510, and I often shoot 67 yard spinners from a front cushion rest at my target club, and can kneel 45 yards at my HFT club. Even for 67 yards I mag 10x and parallax at 20 yards, zeroed at 35 yards, I leave the scope like that because that's what I use for HFT.

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

James! That is seriously impressive. I would like to mention I know that these guns are capable of doing these things.... And for the record I love air arms guns too. Perhaps the Red Wolf just suits me better?

@boxinggloves6834 Жыл бұрын

thanks for the review mate. I really wish to se Wolverine vs redwolf in this competition and..also s510r ultimate sporter vs 510 sl theyre all very close but the difference is the key. Anyway thanks again. 👍

@johnrichards5440 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry I'm not impressed at all with the way you compared these two wonderful guns ,I know you were being honest about your links with daystate, but imo I was not convinced what's so ever you gave the air arms a fair chance ,and of course the air arms isn't regulated. And just to be honest myself ,I don't own an air arms pcp ,I have two daystates ,and three air arms tx200's ,and a good few weihrauchs.

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

That's fair enough, but I must respectfully disagree with you. I absolutely gave the Air Arms a fair chance, it was shot with the same pellets under the same conditions. It had an identical chance to that of the Red Wolf. The fact the Air Arms isn't regulated has nothing to do with it as it was shooting in its sweet spot.

@johnrichards5440 2 жыл бұрын

Respectively i disagree just because you use the same pellet in both guns accounts for nothing especially its accuracy ,and did you really know the exact sweet spot on that air arms s510 ? All it proofed to me was the daystate liked a certain pellet and that the air arms didn't ,it's my honest opinion, maybe I've got it all wrong ,have I missed something? ?

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnrichards5440 no. I don't think you have missed anything. I know about the sweet spot as I had experience using the gun. I used two different pellets and the Red Wolf grouped better in both instances. I guess there could be a pellet that works better in the Air Arms.... But I didn't find it.

@johnrichards5440 2 жыл бұрын

Again not a fair comparison when your daystate uses a pellet that it obviously likes ,and the air arms possibly wasn't using its preferred pellet ,

@deanmorriss2369 2 жыл бұрын

Check every shot on both groups , the end result looks good the single shots are going one up one down one left one right eventually they will make a big hole that looks like a good group.. Chers Dean

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dean.

@donpeer4477 2 жыл бұрын

I generally enjoy your videos. But, I have to ask, "What is up with using that aluminum bench for a shooting table?" :p

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

It's all I had at the time.

@donpeer4477 2 жыл бұрын

@@southwestshooters, PM me, Chris. I'd like to help you with that.

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

@@donpeer4477 I don't think we can pm on KZfaq! shootshootdevon@gmail.com is our email.

@daleweller5193 2 жыл бұрын

My Hatsan at 44 will shoot half inch or less at 50 yards with jsb 13.4 pellets, anything lighter and it’s a 25 yard gun.

@xsamitt 10 ай бұрын

rapid air weapons bm500 177 set to 17 footpounds with jsb 13.4 grain at 55 yards will always put the first 3 shots out of a 5 shot group will land in exactly the same hole.. its even more accurate than the red wolf you have here. you will be even more impressed with a bm500 from martin

@anthonyedwards1361 2 жыл бұрын

Bsa gold star testing please

@bluecollarsportsman613 10 ай бұрын

Both of those where OK groups but I have owned both the S510 and the Daystate RedWold Safari and I hope no one goes by your shooting. Don't take me wrong, I love watching your channel but you just an average shot. Sill I'll keep watching.

@shawns2820 Жыл бұрын

You must have had the wrong pellets for that air arms. I have an old air arms S410, 22 caliber, using JSB 15.88 grains, 20 shots inside of a nickel, some touching the line on the outside, guess that makes it the size of a quarter, at 50 yds.That is one shot groundhogs at 50 yards all day long.

@stevenrowe5047 2 жыл бұрын

how much custom work has been done to the red wolf. was the S510 just out of the box? no custom work? not a fair comparison.

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

The Red Wolf is totally stock. No modifications at all.

@stevenrowe5047 2 жыл бұрын

thank you for your time.

@mikelamuraglia5645 2 жыл бұрын

What scope do you like

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

My favourite scope ever is the Vector optics Sentinel.

@Esoxlucius51 2 жыл бұрын

id expect as perviously stated below, its not a real comparison,£2200, against £800 odd,i`d never take on quarry above the best kill range of the particular gun i was shooting........and i just dont like electronic triggers!!![nice shooting btw]

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. I do understand your perspective.... Thanks for the comment.

@Esoxlucius51 2 жыл бұрын

Fair do's Chris, the redwolf's a lovely gun,but it is out of the price range for a lot of air gunners,(& tbh,I don't see many people shooting them at the ft shoots I go to).

@tonysimpson4297 2 жыл бұрын

Chris you look uncomfortable sat shooting both guns that small bench but I still enjoyed your video

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

We are working on this as we speak...... Thanks for the constructive feedback!

@oliverberry7826 2 жыл бұрын

Use the air arms s510 xs in .22 and i garuntee it will win at 50 yards , have one so i know

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

👌

@andyfry745 2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣some really good comments about this one.a fair bit irrelevant,such as comparison to each other? So let’s Chuck in the sub £400 rm8 which does group better than the air arms.on most rifles as we go up in price we pay for silly looking stocks etc…but you must have comparison! I’ve got a Mini Cooper,not expensive but put it in a lane and it beats a m3 purely on its ability to handle better..and my cars worth a fiver.these are showing the potential of these rifles….

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

If you know, you know.

@ts-br8hs 2 жыл бұрын

Air arms gun airarms pellets. You have got rong pellets in that airarms.

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

I don't agree with you on this.

@ts-br8hs 2 жыл бұрын

@@southwestshooters I now because I own a airarms s510 altimate sporter .

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

@@ts-br8hs fair enough!

@markrichens6893 2 жыл бұрын

@@southwestshooters QYS Steamline heavies (9.56gr) are much tighter grouping my s510R ultimate sporter than the Air Arms pellets. Or JSB Heavies. Not quite one hole at 50yrds for a good shooter

@TonyBramley 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is worth trying AA Diabolo Field 4.52s and 4.51s (8.4) and JSB Exact Diabolo 4.52 (8.44). Finding the right pellet for your barrel is critical if you are regularly shooting out at 50/55yds. Die numbers too.

@470Bravo 2 жыл бұрын

Who shoots an air rifle at 50 metres be more interested to see what they are like at say 45 yards

@southwestshooters 2 жыл бұрын

That is such an insignificant discrepancy I can't really offer anything even slightly reassuring in terms of an answer. Sorry.

@pussyslayer67 3 ай бұрын

shoot different pellets through both guns and find the best for each one then compare .....that was a pointless comparison and by the way i have both guns and also a alphawolf and a brk ghost . And shooting all guns with thier profered pellets the alphawolf wins but the others are about the same