The Devs have always been out of touch. All the decisions they make are from spreadsheets. And they obviously don’t play their game.

The Devs and their marketing department are a bunch of out of touch idiots. Plain and simple. I'm honestly waiting for AGS to "pull a Disney" and start blaming the players for what just happened.

I wish I can go back to the first 3 weeks of this games release, life was different then

They aren’t saying it’s an MMO because my guess is they are going to get rid or limit the best of features such as war and OPR. This is an obvious cash grab of a failed project by incompetent devs that are getting the hammer from the man.

Old player here, They kind of did us super dirty. I felt so backstabbed every time they spoke, I lowkey lost over 300K+ gold because of their stupid updates that made ZERO sense! On top of killing off my entire server and having delays on delays on the "merge". And killing off the server they had use merge too, And offering a "Transfer" that NEVER came and I was left for dead with over 600 hours spent and every piece of progression I've done undermined and all motivation killed. Anyways to get to the point I feel like them charging 30$ for content is WILD, the game is less than that on a sale $15.99 I checked. So they're asking TWICE the box price for an expansion that is only going to spilt the player base because not everyone going to want to pay for that. Kind of wanted to get back into it but saw the 30$ and left a sour taste in my mouth and said NAH, rather go to a game that doesn't suffer from an monthly crisis.

Let PC players wait for 6+ months while constantly hyping up their big announcement in June, only for it to be basically just a console port and some minor content that won't last longer than a week or two. All of that while trying to rebrand and repackage the same lackluster game riddled with bugs to unsuspecting console players for a quick cashgrab and showing a middlefinger to the PC community. Perfect case study on how to run an MMO with a great foundation into the dirt.

Truly tragic. I sank like 2.5k into it. I tested from the very beginning. I want so much more for a game with such good bones. The devs are just lost.

Who cares if it's labeled MMO or aRPG? It's the same game. The problem is that Scot Lane is a fucking liar. People are tired of the delays, bugs, and broken promises. Anyone who has been around long enough knows this.

So what happens if I do not have the Angry Earth dlc? Am I just locked out of the game I paid for? That sounds a bit illegal

does it really surprise anyone that Scott Lane and the others are out of touch with what players want in their game? The guy is like a 65 year old boomer who should be leading a lawn bowling team not a MMO

It's so damn annoying. There is so much to like about this game but the leadership just can't get it on the right track. I loved my time with it but the decisions are just mind blowing.

Sounds design was the first thing i noticed when I played New world. It was SO good, the echoing of trees, players mining ore. Top notch, I do not understand how the sound design team is so far ahead of everything else in the game. The icing on the cake, why I will not go back after about 3k hrs is the healing. Healing flat out not fun. Then in this "action combat" system people are forced to stand in a circle for heals. IDK why that alone made it past alpha. This game was so close to being amazing, AGS totally screwed the pootch. I have a ton of resentment because I spent so many hours just hoping at some point the game would get better.

I'm glad I was smart enough not to waste my time even bothering with this "game". I knew they were going to eventually tell their player base to smile, and bend over.

Hello Once Human, goodbye New World

It’s crazy how EQ and WoW are still the gold standards for an MMO.

It's even crazier for them to try and catch the ARPG hype train. New World as an ARPG is just a bad ARPG. It feels like mom I want elden ring, we have elden ring at home. New World.

I will never forget the magic the launch of this game brought. Prob the best two weeks of gaming I've had since the old COD days. Sad to see it fail so badly.

I feel like im living in some kind of f**** upside down world, how is this stuff even possible, game after game releasing shit that makes no sense

Most of these corporations are so out of touch with their consumer base. And their answer to their customers is just to go further and further down the rabbit hole.

You are not wrong. I have 6042 hours played in NW since launch but I haven't played in the last two months because nearly everyone I know and played with, stopped playing. AGS has consistently mismanaged communication and information. They claim that the vocal dissatisfaction is just part of a very vocal minority and that the majority of players are getting what they want from the New World DEVs in regards to fixes/features. However, the attrition numbers say otherwise. This game is beautifully rendered and has a lot of great content for a few hundred hours. After that, there is little to do except what I did: farm expeditions on muscle memory, do endless OPRs on the one and only map they have had since day 1, login for war after war after war, and ignore the horrible way the devs have tried to balance weapons/abilities while introducing new bugs with each patch and still having old bugs that have been around since 2021. Such a shame...

is it me or the music of the trailer sounds super similar to the song of pixies "where is mi mind"?

i have hundreds of hours on new world, then they changed the minimum spec to play it. now it lags out when i get into a city or a fight. unplayable for me know.

The issue is simple We are rich Trillionaires and we are bored lets make a Game that we have no idea what we are doing.

Amazon too busy with their delivery system just forgot they made a game.

Not to mention they did a cooking “update” and took out and or changed over half the recipes. So they actually took out choice/customization

The people still playing (I include myself into that) are the most loyal bunch you could wish for and everyone of us was kicked in the nuts.

Oddly enough I have been in a kick for crafting in games, and thought I'd go back to New World because I remember loving the gathering/crafting loop. Then all this hit and I am not sure where I am with it now. hope AGS clarifies what is going on.

We really need to create a support group for New World players. So many of us put thousands of hours into it. Anything good about that game was because we made it good. Just read a few random reviews and you’re gonna find people who feel seriously betrayed. I hope one day we can resurrect it after the current devs are banned from the industry

I wonder if it will be playable via Game pass

So... I don't own angry earth. And they're forcing me to buy it to play this update. wow.

Ah, yes the infamous chat sausage. Those were the good old days. Put about 750 hours into New World. It has a really good crafting and gathering system. That what kept me in the game, such a shame it’s being miss managed.

Is it an AMORPG now? my major gripe with it was the ultra lag in towns with too many players

They don't want to say "MMO" on console for marketing reasons, that's all. It was a stupid move to make but it's not complicated.

I would really like to get into a new MMO. Is it too late for me?

New World was supposed to be PvP only and then they changed last minute when the first testers said it wasn't going to be enough. They seem to have had an identity crisis since before it came out.

Their steam sales page still says MMO.

MMO games and action RPGs are very similar, except in scale. MMO games cater to hundreds of players. Action RPGs is a smaller scale. So, in a way, they are acknowledging that the player base won't support hundreds of players, but rather focus on smaller battles.

is the game on this video the New World? it seem like a game from fantasy world...

since they force players to pay dlc to have a mount, unlock level 65, class... i already uninstall the game.

It's all up to Indie titles now. It's too bad they can't get better funding. Imagine Pantheon Rise of the fallen with an AGS budget, but WITHOUT the oversight of AGS (as that would destroy it)

I thought i qas having a stroke while listening to their presentation. I was like...hasnt this all been in the game for years now?!? Why are they explaining what Angry Earth is?!?!

For reference, look at what happened when The Secret World the MMO, went to The Secret World: Legends.

Would an Albion player like New World? I know you guys are angry, but are there enough players left to give it ago?

While true we FFXIV fans would hate that, we do in fact call it a RPG-MMO. Mostly to remind people to slow down and enjoy the story.

I think the action-RPG rebranding is largely because that's popular with the console audience. Also, they've added capabilities for solo all through the game so it's no longer required to group up if you don't want to. I don't think they're going to make the game more limited on what groups can do because they just did all that optimization stuff (rebuilding the entire engine)

IMO. This comes down to the perceived cost structures of those classifications. MMORPGs are often associated with either a mandatory or highly pushed subscription model. An ARPG usually has no extra cost or only an optional season pass. I’m sure they don’t want to turn away potential customers on the basis that their classification may include extra costs.

The whole premise of the game originally was to create Clans and overtake each section of the lands. If they are trying to do that without claiming its an MMO, then I would have to agree that they are just pretty much moving on from that aspect. My friends and I have over 800 hours in the game and ultimately stopped because the amount of bots that would stay near the higher level fishing spots, wood, etc and it would be designed to just go from point a to b and constantly collect it. Then it would sell the stuff to the point no one would ever make money on the trading posts. They had no control over that.

You know what this sounds like to me? What it sounds EXACTLY like? Secret World: Legends.

I got the feeling that they're pulling a SW:TOR. Where they have the mmo elements from existing format and content. But future content is focused on a single-player story and content.

Console players are busy playing either First Descendant or Zenless Zone Zero. The latter already made $50 million in mobile alone not including PS and PC. New World devs and Amazon don't know how to maintain a game and to keep them successful.

I hate this game. I've spent most of my time grinding in 'World Tour,' which involves just following a bunch of people and picking up items. It feels like a waste of time

remember when they said mounts wasen't possible, just to release mounts behind a dlc?! thats when i gave up on this game

Amazon really needs to get out of gaming.

I was making a comeback after a year and a half after launch. Starting the grind again, I realized that a few things changed but the core issues were still there. When I saw the paid DLC for mounts, I knew the game was doomed and it would be a waste of money. I was right. Who in their right mind would make people pay for mounts in an open world mmorpg????

I played since before launch. 9k + hours, a few bucks in the store, 3 maxed out characters. I don't care about MMO/RPG labelling. What i care about is brain dead devs, the lies, the BS promises, the bugs, the servers, etc. The game really is dead. Die hard players still hang around hoping for change. So many let downs with this game. The console launch won't be as big or good as they are hoping for. They are really more focused on LOTR and just appeasing PC players and adding console. They are 2 years too late for reviving this game with crossplay, controller support, etc. I've moved on to other games like many others have. They don't give 2 hoots about us legacy founding players. It's all about profit margins coming from new players, but it won't last, all new players become old players who get tired of the same BS. The "new car smell" will wear off quickly and reveal its truly a salvaged title.

I'm 100% a solo guy, this might actually be more appealing to me.

I quit playing last December because the writing was on the wall that PC players were going to get to spend the next year being beta testers for the console release. First controller support and most recently reworked combat, which has left the current state of the game a complete buggy mess. AGS gave everyone hope by saying there would be a big announcement in June that everyone would love. However, the big announcement was just more crap about console release and the weird shift to being an ARPG. I've put thousands of hours into New World and I used to think it'd be a game I'd be playing for the next 5-10 years, but now I wonder if I'll ever even play it again.

They want to relable the game as an action RPG for 1 reason, single player RPGs don't usually have content updates often. Now they can sit back and try to cash in on consoles, all while not delivering content to players.

I was about to pre order "New World" moments ago on Xbox but after watching all the You tube videos covering it's release and currant state. I think I'll hold off on that thought.😬

Did you really just say they increased the server size "a little bit" to 2000 players?! 240 to 2000 is an increase of "a little bit" to you?

They need to implement matchmaking in all the arenas across the lands

Seems like they just advertised different to PC players to consoles. MMO is not a popular category on console but is on PC

MMO isn’t a genre in the descriptive sense.

I got over 2200 hours in the game, but went on hiatus a few months after Angry Earth expansion was released. Then when this "big" announcement came and went, my heart sank even further. For shits and giggles, last night I logged back on to New World (I hadn't uninstalled it yet, while still keeping up with the steam updates it was given over the last few months.) My 4 characters are still in the same exact position/location I had left them earlier in the year. I decided to run 2 faction missions last night in Elysian WIlds and nothing has been changed. The same feeling came back quickly which caused me to take a hiatus earlier in the year. After 20 minutes, I logged back off. It's just repetitive fluff with no meaningful rewards, especially if you are already geared out for the specs you like to play. Biggest complaints still hold for me: There is no meaningful Endgame that has much replayability, especially after you are geared out. No multi-boss big raids (though, seems like a 10-man raid is coming with multiple bosses.) Doing the 3-5 man expeditions/dungeons over and over becomes boring, doing chest runs becomes boring, running faction and town missions becomes boring, and gathering/refining/crafting becomes boring and quite frankly has become useless too. Also, the limited number of types of mobs in the game is disappointing. And when they do introduce a "new" type of mob, it's just a reskin of an existing mob. As for PVP, I can't comment on that in New World. I like to PVP in other games but not in New World. Tried it once and hated it. Still going to keep it installed on my PC until October 15 when the new game update/relaunch occurs to check it out. But I don't think nothing major is going to change, especially for us PC gamers.

Radio silence for two weeks right after they started an attempted hype campaign. They know they screwed up.

The announcement was clearly an appeal to a new market (console). The communication was terrible as you said. I think it will bring a lot more players into the game though. They announced a GS increase for existing players to work on but didn't mention crafting skill increases. I suspect it will be like umbral shards and down the road they'll do crafting updates for the jump to 800 GS gear. So basically the new 10 man raid will be a way to get the new umbral shards.

I think the Devs realized in trying to create Rise of Angry Earth that the lumberjack engine just isn’t going to cut it when it comes to making content. So this is their way of saying, this game is never going to be a strong MMO. So let’s cut our losses and take what we have to the console market as a coop or solo action RPG. With the console market we can meet and possibly exceed those expectations. But for PC, this is now an open world RPG, with some PvP and group content.

Hi I’m thinking about downloading on ps5 would you say it’s worth it thank you all

This is an excellent video! Amazon is so confused about this… it’s a giant disaster

I can't believe they hadn't said to console players that this game is an MMO. And the great weapons look ridiculously large.

New World on PC was only dying because they let it die. A lot of players gave AGS the benefit of the doubt and their trust that they would eventually get stuff fixed and add things we could use in the game (more than one OPR map, barbershop, etc.) and the players got burned. The same thing could happen after console launch with the same people making the same decisions on what players really need. Thumbs up for the video.

My guess is they laid off the ppl they needed.

I can understand why they want to get rid of the MMO title. Most people when they see MMO they don’t like the grind or boredom that follows. It’s why most MMOs are dying out. Action RPG would bring people in

Sounds like they are going to pull a The Secret World.

I just uninstalled the game after 6700 hours i had enough trying to find another game with same combat system

so is this a plot to get new world classic? 😅

I have 1500 hours in New World within its first year. I loved this game, so did many of my friends. I'm heart broken, honestly, knowing what it has become. The game has such good bones. It was nearly a perfect MMO for me. Tragic.

All these PC players are whistling past the graveyard, upset they aren't getting shiny new toys and the announcement was solely for new players on console. Wake up call: Amazon is many things, but one of them is not stupid. They will not continue to throw bad money after good. New World's current PC population means it is swiftly heading to maintenance mode, and shutdown sooner than later. It makes sense for them to see console as the one hope to get the game back up to healthy player levels. Boggles the mind that people don't understand that.

The game is fun to play. You log in, do everything in about 100-250 hours and then decide if you really want to chase personal goals or not. AGS Irvine has had weird leadership since Patrick Gilmore was pushed out.

It's because there no new content, that's why the numbers are so low

Not logged on in over a year, Should I come back.

it all went downhill when they removed hitstun and full loot drop and no pvp servers

This is game design by committee. After 400 hours in game, I quit months ago. With this announcement, I've just given up any plans to return. Back playing ESO, at least it knows what it is.

That was a political speech right there if i ever saw one, they don't want to name a specific genre 'cause they probably have plans for the future that the MMOrpg players that currently playing most likely wont like ..Milking money as long as they can, from as many as they can - I say its a sinking ship, It's not a game made for gamers, it's a game made for shareholders ..But what do i know..

Imagine making a PVP game, that whole PVP community awaits, and then, you make PVP dead, betraying your fans and pretend that a world, which is empty outside the PVP, is now a great PVE game...so having a totally dead game, you try to build the game post release, after you lost your most loyal fans, and you stil don't even know which direction you go, totally winning worst MMO award ever

MMORPG games doesn’t have a legit number to which separates multiplayer and massive multiplayer - until there is a specific number, this controversy about what an mmo is and what an action rpg with coop/multiplayer is will always be confusing.

I don't have any real problems with this announcement. I still think there's some massive problems with certain decisions for this game, but not these announcements. IMO the goal here is capture a new MMO crowd with New World... teens and young 20's first MMO, now on console... I think there's a negative connotation with MMO for some players because MMO = massive time sink. IMO they are trying to capture a mini-FFXIV ARR moment with this re-release. I think very few players have really played through the revamped story and I think it's better than most people realize... and to be fair, the game does play like a 3rd person ARPG. My actual problem with the game has to do with a progression item, Chromatic Seals, being locked behind gold. Many important gear upgrades require this item, but you can only buy one a day and they cost 5000g each, plus faction tokens (but the faction tokens can be aquired pretty easily IMO). Last time I was playing my gold supply was slowly diminishing because even though I played a ton I wouldn't passively make enough gold to cover the cost of these seals. It would take an hour or two of my time dedicated just for gold generation to afford the seals, and that's just not how I wanted to spend my time in game. Most people I knew who wanted to play competitively (territory control etc.) would just RMT. Maybe making gold has been made easier, but that's not really my point... these seals were an important part of upgrading gear, and there's already a daily throttle built into them. Doubling down and making it also into a gold sink is really bad design. Gold sinks and other progression bottlenecks should not be tied to each other for something that's needed pretty often. I don't have a problem with the gold cost or the time limit of another item, Azoth Inductors, I think they are called because an Azoth inductor literally allowed you to make one perfect (3 perk) piece of gear every week... So a 1 week cooldown and a 25k cost does make sense, but I never even got to consider buying these because I never had enough to buy both the Chromatic Seals and the Azoth Inductors. Anyway.. my actual hope for New World, and the only reason I might play it again, is that my son lives in Germany and we play video games together about once a week...he's on Xbox and I'm on PC. If I can get him interested in a game like this it would be a lot more fun than playing Rocket League for 6 hours (for me at least).... However, I only give him like a 30% chance that he'll actually like the game enough to want to play it much.

Is it an MMO if there's only 150 hours on content? Or is it a sort of once and done action RPG? I put 260ish hours in Black Desert and Lost Ark basically as baby's first step in the water... Just enough to get an idea of how they work and then stopped playing them for various reason. I put 1300ish hours into ESO but now there isn't really enough to keep me interested and I'm not really that interested in mastering the combat. Everyone says they really liked New World but they only last around a month and then put it down.

I don't play the game, but I feel for you guys. I read that the 10 man raid was just an existing dungeon they scaled up to a 10 man.

Played during beta and honestly when they revamped the PVP system just a few months before launch against the community's wishes I knew then as I still know today the devs were gonna do what they wanted to do cause to them it's not a game... its a way to make money.

Its an MMORPG with action combat. Also no sub fee so its good still. We all just want more content, and them to stop working so much on old content.

They deserve it First of all none of them play MMOs least of all this one. I gave them feedback in the preview and in the beta that if listened to would have given them millions of players, but they ignored all of it.

Great breakdown RBF! Feel the same way, had hopes that NW would be great. I still have a few friends that check in on it, but it seems like we have years before they figure out what to do with it.

It's such a bummer for me.. When this game first came out, I've never been so immersed in an MMO/ RPG in my life, i no lifed the game and was so addicted. The game had a lot of problems yes but the charm of this game is original and like no other for me. I will miss that feeling forever but i hope this game bounces back.. which i doubt.

OK, so I’m gonna give my perspective on this. My gaming laptop died back in October 2020 instead of going with another PC. I decided to get a PlayStation five. And I am happy at that choice with the exception of one thing. The lack of cross platform, MMORPGs, most of my friends that I played MMO‘s with are on PC. I tried Final Fantasy 14. I didn’t really care for it because it was so single player driven with the story with many of the instances for hours of gameplay not being able to actually enjoy it with friends. I have a couple of friends that have played New world on and off. I’ve heard the good and the bad about the game. But I am anticipating this release as a PlayStation five player. I will be trying it out for the first time and hope I like the game. Over the last several years, I have really enjoyed a lot of the single player titles and I did a little bit of Diablo with one of my friends. But this is huge news to me. None of my old MMO friends are interested in DC universe online, which would be another option , and I said I would play that But like I said, this gives me the opportunity to play with my friends I did actually pick up a new gaming laptop this year, but I just enjoy my PlayStation, I enjoy being able to kick back and played on the screen and would rather game on it on all honesty. Anyway, that’s just my perspective. I understand the benefits of PC a lot of times, but I also understand the relaxed benefit nature of the PlayStation. From what I hear also one of the reason they’re doing this is their new Lord of the rings online MMO that they are producing is supposed to be cross platform and this is a way for them to set up their controls. Anyway, I’m excited personally

We've been through this, Red. It IS hard to define an MMO ;P

They will never listen to the community. They keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again ad aeternum.

I'm waiting for them free to play, so pay for a game in which 10k is online, I'm not going to buy it

Problem with New World is the PVP kids are trying to force Amazon to go 100% PVP and hate the fact that PVE players prefer the game as it is.

AGS, what a clown show. Yikes. I knew it was bad but I didn't expect it to go totally sideways.