223cc Super Ghost Stroker Build & Dyno ~ Huge Power Gains!!!
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3 ай бұрынToday we build the Predator 212cc Ghost into a 223cc Super Ghost. We will be using EC Carburetors 58mm stroker crank, EC Forged Rod, EC Billet Flywheel, ungoverned coil, stainless valves, billet retainers, 26mm Lbs. valve springs, WC22 carb, and port the head. We saw amazing gains with this kit. This is a must have for all 212cc engines.
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@davidmoody239 3 ай бұрын
The amount of HP and torque gain is insane. Your able to teach an old man and novice more than I ever thought.
@cedhome7945 3 ай бұрын
Just what I needed 👍 can't wait to see what the 420/460/500 makes when you work your magic on them 😁
@barrickent184 3 ай бұрын
Excellent RB. Many thanks for true ratings. Extremely grateful for your work and willingness to share
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@OttoIpsen 20 күн бұрын
Calm, informative and honest! I have no interest in engines but will still subscribe as you are doing a great job with your channel! And mabye my interest awakens ;D. Keep up what you are doing! Greetings from Sweden!
@diamondthomas7778 3 ай бұрын
That's real HP there 💯💯💯
@marcmo7138 3 ай бұрын
Those are respectable gains.
@ironmikelaw 3 ай бұрын
The dyno is a game changer!! The dyno results reminds me of Engine power on Powernation! Great Video
@jakedrew7365 3 ай бұрын
Great video as always. Thanks again.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
You bet
@isomer13 3 ай бұрын
Thanks, guys. Impressive.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
I was pretty impressed with those gains. Stroke the world lol.
@boxer120gloves 3 ай бұрын
Awesome!!
@KompressorPete 3 ай бұрын
Thx! Again a super exciting video. How about doing a video with only head mods - changing valve angles, transitions, CR, maybe measure air velocity in the intake? Together with EC carbs maybe? Love the Sound of this machine 😊
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
We can do something like that in the near future. Thanks for the input.
@danielkempton6976 20 күн бұрын
I showed this vid to my Doctor on just a general check up, he said " that's inspiring".
@wadeepperson6906 Ай бұрын
I had a dodge neon i slapped a bigger cam, springs, ported and smoothed any rough spots on the intake and shined up the exhaust side, plus a light going over on the combustion chamber. That little thing would scream.
@davidowen888 3 ай бұрын
Nice gains 💪 ☮️
@smsservicesall 3 ай бұрын
Good job on the lawn RBG let's see your mower set up and can we get a functional lawn mower build
@user-vx2vs9xe8q 3 ай бұрын
Nice build sir
@kenjohnson5498 3 ай бұрын
That's a ripper!
@tomliemohn624 Ай бұрын
man those have a lot more power than the mini bikes I used to ride! But that was in the late 70's.
@JohnFrolick 3 ай бұрын
May want to address the bolt that holds the rocker retainer in place. Common problem on that Ducar head. The Tillotson setup is a better setup and an easy solution.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
I have stripped that bolt on multiple heads. In fact doing this video it stripped and i had to drill the hole deeper and retap it.
@Greybuiltracing 3 ай бұрын
Bro ! My predator 212 with stock cam , stock flywheel , ported head that I did , arc billet rod , 26 lb springs , champion rockers pz27 carb that I tuned went 61 mph ! Wait till I install a billet flywheel and mess with the timing . Making a video soon .
@Sausketo 3 ай бұрын
I would put a tensioner on that belt, might reduce the shaking rpm figures
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
The only way that would effect the numbers would be if it was skipping a tooth. The bottom side of the chain is the pull side. That's why the chain is like that on the top run.
@Sausketo 3 ай бұрын
@@RedBeardsGarage ok! Thanks for the response! Wasnt sure if it would do anything, but i figured the suggestion wouldnt hurt
@RC_Trailblazers Ай бұрын
I'd be intrigued to see a stock 212 with a stroker kit and properly tuned carb vs a max performance 224 since the 224 is basically a stroked 212 would be neat to see how ecs kit compares to a store bought in terms of performance.
@catfishchucky3988 3 ай бұрын
I'd like to see you build Briggs and straton opposed twin 18 or 20 hp horizontal shaft. U CAN DO IT!!!!!
@lilporno6583 Ай бұрын
or a briggs 30ci nobody really makes any vids on the twins
@The-AMERICAN-EXPRESS 3 ай бұрын
Looks like a cool build man. Really appreciate the videos!!!
@johnluke3425 3 ай бұрын
Love the scripture that you put up keep on coming
@Tyresong 3 ай бұрын
this will be interesting, the only real difference between this build and my own engine is the stroker kit, otherwise I have the same CM grind cam, same size carb, a well ported head with 26lb springs, and 0.021" between the flat top piston and head to get the compression as high as I could without machining the head (risky but worth it) and the PVL flywheel with 28 degrees timing. I would like to know what the lift is on the ghost cam though, just for stored knowledge that may never be usefully utilised.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
We have talked about the lift of the ghost cam in the past. I can't remember what it is off the top of my head.
@suzukiman650 3 ай бұрын
At the beginning of the test ride you say that the cam and carb are changed and the head is ported while the rest is basically stock. Huh? Only stock stuff left, not including ancillary parts, are the block, lifters, and push rods.
@Hunt904 3 ай бұрын
Yeah I’ve seen him do this a couple of times in his videos. Not sure if it’s on purpose. Also he’ll have big plans for something and then just never do it. I’m still waiting on a 459 max build
@bryduhbikeguy 3 ай бұрын
Bore and Stroke were left 'Stock' size. The crank was just pre-ground in areas that catch.The rod was same length as 'stock' just a different dipper and cleared for crank bearings.Those are 'the rest'.
@nickbrown7749 3 ай бұрын
They don’t make anything for the 459 other than the basic stage 1 stuff. It’s not a good design for high hp builds that’s why.
@suzukiman650 3 ай бұрын
@@bryduhbikeguy 'Same size as stock' is not the same as stock.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
There aren't any parts for the 459.
@timbattle3415 3 ай бұрын
Hey Greg, great content as usual. I just have a small suggestion, could you overlay the dyno graphs so the curves can be compared? Thanks dude.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
Can do! Thanks for watching.
@timbattle3415 3 ай бұрын
@@RedBeardsGarage you're a gentleman and scholar, sir. Thanks dude
@christianmccollum1028 2 ай бұрын
Yes, never clearance any part of the block inside with the rod, crank, etc. Installed. Always remove everything and then grind. Just reiterating your having to reinstall the piston the same way as before. CLEANLINESS IS NEXT TO GODLINESS when building.
@WalkerSmallEnginePerformance 3 ай бұрын
NR Racing sells some 1.2 roller rockers that will work on that head. They call them Ducar 212 rockers but that’s a Ducar block and head. I wonder if they would cause valve to piston interference with the flat top piston? If not, I wonder if they’d give any power increase? I have a set in a Tilly 212 but it’s running a stock dished piston with the valve relief.
@TheBananaMan4321 3 ай бұрын
i wanna see you do an overhead cam style engine
@josephharrison2945 3 ай бұрын
Why is the billet valve cover not listed in the description with the rest of the parts?
@artbycapone2710 3 ай бұрын
8:40 Do those pistons come with the rings already gapped properly? I have EC Carburetor’s flat top piston and their forged rod for my 224, but I haven’t begun to start that project yet.
@mibashermibasher2697 3 ай бұрын
What up love your videos.so I did the stage 1kit for my 420 predator and I feel like there wasn't really any more power than what I had when it was stock I have Mt predator in a golf cart what could my problem be so I can get the power that I want from my stage 1kit
@rustybucket83 3 ай бұрын
Now you need to EFI it with Speeduino and then turbo it...
@isaiahtanner6524 Ай бұрын
will I still need to install the billet retainers and stainless steel valves if I include the stoker kit only
@bobmcgee7 3 ай бұрын
Can you do a video showing how to mount an engine like this to a moped? or maybe a series about mopeds?
@dema669 2 ай бұрын
I did not know you where a Christian channel :DDD i just not saw the verse I love seeing it. bikes and beards does the same thing
@SNELLERIZED 3 ай бұрын
Do you have a link for the valve spring lock tools?
@blakelang2574 3 ай бұрын
yo im more interested the numbers that a ported 14cc big valve head would produce on this setup
@killerb4202 3 ай бұрын
I guessed 17...not too shabby lol
@6speedguy845 Ай бұрын
Interesting
@dreadsndrags8603 3 ай бұрын
hey mate i got a question about valve seals im building a motor ATM currently waiting on parts and i see that u don't use valve seals are they not needed with these engines i purchaed some but if there not needed i wont use them as there the last thing in the post to show up so there going to hold up the build
@PumpkinKingXXIII 3 ай бұрын
Hey Red, what does the compression end up with the stroker kit? Love all the horsepower videos but for me pump gas is very important. I like to ride more than pay to having ravenous gas mailed to me. Lol
@adammartin1786 3 ай бұрын
Great gains but still waiting for you guys to dyno a engine with a loop in the exhaust pipe like the old briggs racing exhaust pipes to see it ot helps or hurts with built engines.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
I will do that soon sir.
@justinpearson-dn2df 2 ай бұрын
Can you use the stroker crank from go power sports in your stage 5 ghost build if not what would I need to changed the rod and piston?
@bwxmoto 3 ай бұрын
I'm curious about the ring gap.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
I didn't check this build but normally do. I will start checking on video to tell you guys what they are and if they need grinded.
@GageBerrong23 3 ай бұрын
Hey got a question what do you do to make the juggernaut pulley work for a stock predator motor like 212 and 224
@viiessa6485 3 ай бұрын
You should build up a ghost buster from wildcat!
@DylanDavidVindasLopez 3 ай бұрын
im verry curious, what whould be the best block to reach maximum performance? if i wanted to buy only the parts and build the fully moded engine instead of buying the engine and swapping out parts, where should I get them and wich ones should i get?
@jameswilliamson9902 4 күн бұрын
I noticed the hole in the valve cover is it safe to leave that open especially to keep dirt out
@killerbski9412 3 ай бұрын
So what’s the in the hole measurement? What does the compression work out to?
@nothing2loud 3 ай бұрын
Can you do a mild build in a preditor 224?
@johnconroy9555 3 ай бұрын
That turned some really decent numbers 😊 I was wondering if you would road to horsepower a 390 or a 440 now that would be crazy...john...Australia
@MarketMonkey2 3 ай бұрын
Where did you purchase your valve instillation tool?
@jakedrew7365 3 ай бұрын
Do you put assembly lube or oil on the rod bolts then torque them to spec? Or you torque them to spec dry?
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
Oil on them then torque.
@Powercat46 3 ай бұрын
How would you compare this build to the Wildcat 223 you built? In particular, wondering how the Wildcat Vs Predator hemi head compares especially when porting.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
The Wildcat made a little more power than the Ghost. You are starting with a stronger block with the wildcat and it comes with the crank and flat top piston stock. I think Wildcat all the way.
@PotBellyPig420 2 ай бұрын
Was there a trailer park boys reference I heard ?? "Decent" makes me like this channel even more lol
@DeeOutdoors33 3 ай бұрын
Weird I hit 60 on a stock 212 ghost Camo Coleman with torque converterbrand new been debating fully building it cuz now It gets up to only like 50 45 like it’s wore out any adjustments you think I could do to help it ?
@jagerandres5808 3 ай бұрын
i need help..... installed a stage 2 kit on a pred 224 from nr racing, and now it will only run on starting fluid. been trouble shooting it on and off for 2 weeks cant figure it out. checked valve lash, coil gap, cam timing, made sure valves are closing completely, carb is getting gas
@alexray2925 3 ай бұрын
Brotha you need to get some cold medicine and some sleep. I can hear how stuffed up you are. We enjoy the content thank you for the awesome build info.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
I was sick for three weeks lol. Better now.
@alexray2925 3 ай бұрын
@@RedBeardsGarage Good to hear yeah you found like your on the beginning or tail end of being sick. Normally I would have said anything but my wife watches with me and her mother hen kicked in and was driving me nuts. Lol glad to hear your getting better.
@jaysonG2010 3 ай бұрын
Why is the timming advance done on the flywheel key rather than degreeing the cam?
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
More fine adjustment with the flywheel. The cam having the gears makes it too big of a jump with each teeth.
@jaysonG2010 3 ай бұрын
@@RedBeardsGarage thx.
@jaysonG2010 3 ай бұрын
@@RedBeardsGarage is a adjustable cam gear in the works?
@JohnJackson-rt3sg 2 ай бұрын
New to all of this, my kids are 10 & 11 and have a China buggy my question is being a novice for the cost of upgrade would the B&S animal be comparable? P.S. I’m becoming a big fan of Red Beard garage enjoy watching but don’t the facility to take on such projects so Thank you for your time your channel is the bomb.
@MrJeremys2388 Ай бұрын
Pro tip. Do not use an impact to tighten bolts, especially covers.
@paulmoritz2240 3 ай бұрын
What torque wrench are you using the clunks that loudly at 20 foot pounds?
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
It’s not that loud in person. My mic picks stuff up like that louder than normal.
@chuckb9867 3 ай бұрын
We need more red beard videos❤❤❤❤❤😊😊
@GreasedUpDeafGuys 3 ай бұрын
Whats the reason of drilling out the oil hole on top of jug
@08outlaw450 14 күн бұрын
That looks like a crack in the crank
@focustuner10 3 ай бұрын
Can you do a build and dyno on the coleman 196cc engine? There are not alot of videos on them but it just does not make sense to me to go buy a new engine to build when the 196cc runs fine and has alot of aftermarket parts available.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
Check out our Free Horsepower video coming out later this afternoon.
@riccardosammataro7145 2 ай бұрын
Where can I get good engines for which tuning parts are available in Germany?
@fishsticks88 3 ай бұрын
You feeling OK? You sound super congested. Everyone is getting sick
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
I was sick for three weeks lol. Better now.
@fishsticks88 3 ай бұрын
@RedBeardsGarage glad to hear.. I'm going through it myself atm.
@Gsxrtrix Ай бұрын
@@RedBeardsGarageI got that too lol. Mine lasted about 5…some funky cold at the beginning that went sideways through different phases. Such a strange one
@jefferylambert7978 2 ай бұрын
Hey red beard do you have a video of the biggest build with the most power on a predator 212cc ghost
@jefferylambert7978 2 ай бұрын
Or do you have a video for the biggest build that you have done
@jefferylambert7978 2 ай бұрын
On the predator 212 ghost
@deltacx1059 3 ай бұрын
12:29 have you not tried the CDI kits yet? I find it so strange people are still using the stock fixed ignition after dumping all those other upgrades in.
@DarkWolfForza Ай бұрын
did anyone notice that he changed out the engine head covers on the dyno? went from black to aluminum
@corysobralski1611 Ай бұрын
The real question is can you take a 224 and build it to a similar number for less?
@kodyrenaud4320 Ай бұрын
Wish they sold those in Canada
@dirkdigler5332 3 ай бұрын
Did you leave Go Power Sports?
@nathanielbarbeau4821 3 ай бұрын
Question: why does an air cooled engine have heat shields covering the heat sinks that are designed to dissipate heat?
@WalkerSmallEnginePerformance 3 ай бұрын
The flywheel acts as a fan and creates airflow. The tin pieces help direct that airflow over the fins on the jug and head. The old air cooled VW’s had the same sort of thing.
@mrjayd4873 3 ай бұрын
What mm stainless valves were used?
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
They are linked in the videos description. 5.5mm stems.
@AlwaysThrashing 3 ай бұрын
How much did you spent in total
@rileyastbury1300 3 ай бұрын
$1,200
@WyFoster 3 ай бұрын
That's about $600-700
@irinakovalenko3162 3 ай бұрын
What cam is best for low rpm power on a predator 212 hemi?
@xXxCulpxXx 3 ай бұрын
Any cam that has less duration. The least duration the better the power in low end rpm.
@irinakovalenko3162 3 ай бұрын
Ok,thank you
@barryadams68 3 ай бұрын
Now build an engine that makes decent power,disassemble it and send the block to power seal and have the cylinder plated. Had my 83mm Honda 250 done and it was right at +2hp with nothing else done.
@vaaleef 3 ай бұрын
Great video as always. 🔥 Any thoughts on stroking a gx270 To fit a 390 rotating assembly?
@saabkingentertainments.k.e 2 ай бұрын
@redbeard id love to see an amr300+ a ghost stroked out for a supercharged ghoul❤❤ please see this
@user-le6yp8io1k 3 ай бұрын
You should do a nibbi carb
@TACOMASRT5 3 ай бұрын
Do you still have a discount code
@gabereyes7268 3 ай бұрын
My mini bike keeps wanting to walk forward when I’m just sitting I have to hold the brake what do I do🤧
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
💯
@bradhuston8838 3 ай бұрын
Now, shave that head and set your piston to head at .030. I'd like to see a 9:1 vs 12:1 dyno comparison.
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
We will do a compression test video soon.
@memosrt 3 ай бұрын
It looks like someone has has been watching some trailer parks boys.
@tngtacticalmiata1219 3 ай бұрын
Woohoo... i got like666!
@memosrt 3 ай бұрын
20 ft/pds for the side cover? Don't you mean 20 inch/pds?
@christiannagy8417 3 ай бұрын
Normaly 17ftpds but yeah, pounds
@amandarego9684 3 ай бұрын
You probably got more power from that .265 cam than you would have if you only increased the stroke
@ianellithorpe5918 3 ай бұрын
God bless RBG
@james10739 3 ай бұрын
The belt flapping around on the dyno doesn't inspire confidence in accuracy or Consistency i think id try to rig up a tensioner i know they all move some but that looks like a lot
@BadBoyyBlaze 3 ай бұрын
you said “cm 224 cam” instead of saying cm 244 cam lmaoo😭😭
@RedBeardsGarage 3 ай бұрын
Lol got CC's on the brain I guess. I watch these videos multiple times during editing and I still miss stuff.
@BadBoyyBlaze 3 ай бұрын
@@RedBeardsGarage lmaoo😭
@jaybird0000000 3 ай бұрын
20 hp
@mossyfootfpv4793 3 ай бұрын
I wish you could build me a motor 😥 I have no talent doing so
@checkers1500 2 ай бұрын
12hp
@asept0lin963 3 ай бұрын
Please, make a 4 cylinder with sport bike engine homemade pocket bike.
@SDS-1 3 ай бұрын
Stroking a ghost 👻.... There's a joke there someplace. 😝
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