I do love how both the Jedi and Sith hated Trakata but for totally different reasons. Jedi: It’s dishonorable. Sith: Bitch move.

I would definitely practice Trakata. If only because I think it's hilarious that both the Jedi and Sith got big mad about being got by it.

Jedi: We won't use Trakata - it relies on deception. Also jedi: **WAVES HAND** these aren't the droids you're looking for.

Use Trakata with dual-bladed lightsaber. Fight using only one blade, but mid-way through an attack shut off that blade and activate the other. Your opponent stumbles as they attempt to parry the first blade, and are caught by the second before they can regain their balance. Important to make your lightsaber look like a single-bladed lightsaber so the opponent doesn't know the second blade exists.

I think I remember Trakata also being discouraged due to it being considered extremely risky and unreliable.

Trakata is interesting because its deal is more than just turning a saber on and off, rather its core tenet is winning a fight by embracing ultimate practicality. It's similar to the philosophy of Musashi in the Book of Five Rings. Favor no particular weapon or technique. Instead, get to know them all, and use that knowledge to recognise and punish your enemy's mistakes.

No such thing as sportsmanship when it comes to life and death, you are either the one standing or the one dead... "All war is based on deception" - Sunzi, art of war

Mace fully gave into Vaapad, allowing his body to move on its own..... So Mace went Ultra Instinct? Neat.

The fact that windu thought he couldn’t beat Sidious in a 1v1 is so funny to me given how the fight actually ended up going

i love how so many people have turned a vanity choice of a purple lightsaber into actual lore!

Trakata was not a Lightsaber combat Form but a Lightsaber technique utilised in all other forms.

One thing many fans get wrong is this. Vapaad was not created by Sora Bulk. He possessed a failed attempt at Vapaad. That’s why it was inferior. Windu alone successfully created and Mastered Vapaad. Lesser Jedi could not begin to understand it. This is why Master Windu alone had the authoritative position to say who may or may not practice the form. Windu also made it so, The Jedi Council could have a say in who was worthy to dedicate themselves to it. This Lightsaber form and mentality was so dangerously close to the Darkside. Only Grand Master Windu was the only one who could successfully use it. No other Jedi Master nor Apprentice dared to even try. Knowing full well, they were not Physically Mentally nor Spiritually Strong enough. Even Yoda could not dare to try and tame The Darkside.

Vapad just seems impossible to exist. How you gonna practice? Ask another jedi to get real mad so you can spar? Go drinking at the only Sith-friendly Bar on Coruscant? And what Sith is going to calm their own emotions to be able to use the form?

Tarkata is definitely my favorite I feel like if you combine it with kraia's spinning sabers you would be super unpredictable because now the lightsabers are only spinning in the air they are turning on and off I geuss you could call this move flickerstorm or kraiakata lmao

I understand that because Mace Windu wasn't in the original trilogy that people think he NEEDED to die, but I feel like he was a seriously under-utilized character. I'd love to see him return in maybe a standalone film about him surviving after the fall. In recent series, we've seen Bacta, and machinery heal wounds that would have killed characters in the past (poor Qui-Gon, with Bacta being invented 5 minutes after he died). For all we know, Mace was hiding out, like Obi-Wan was. Maybe they'll even make a series about him that isn't complete trash... like Obi-Wan was.

I still think that Juyo is just the sithy version of Shii Cho since Sith use it as a base similar to Jedi using Shii Cho as their base. Sith usually built their personal styles on the chaotic nature of Juyo to make them more unpredictable whilst Shii Cho is about both melding into the force and self-restraint. I always thought that a Jedi using Juyo was a red flag even before the ban. Even Palpatine remarked that it's a SITH technique. I think many of the sketchy techniques and teaching of the Jedi Order originated from Sith infiltrating them at some point, sabotaging them by making them more vulnerable to the dark through seemingly sensible but pretty dark teachings. The teaching of entanglements for example is very sithy too. Like the Jedi, many lore fans are deceived by it too, no entanglements may seem as a strength, that you are not emotionally invested in anything that could jeopardize your duty as a Jedi but in truth, tying yourself to other living things should be a very good defense against the dark since your friends and family can act as anchors and the Jedi do teach relying on others is good. Strength in numbers! Instead of that they banned these things and forced the more emotionally vulnerable people to have secret relationships, lie about them, you get the picture... As long as you have a relationship in the open and you share things with your family and friends, you will receive the support and help that you need no matter how bad things get and you won't fall to madness. Same thing should go for the Jedi. When the Jedi started locking themselves away from common people dissociating themselves from others and became a simple cog in galactic bureaucracy, that's when the Jedi started their fall, way before Palpy. The Jedi Order as it was would have fallen either way or would have turned into a new version of Sith or Dark Jedi, it was only a matter of time.

Trakata was used briefly by a character (don’t want to spoil it) in Ashoka last week. Was so excited when I saw it! I had forgotten the name but remembered it being taboo. For me, VAAPAD all the way because Mace is that guy!

Mace Windu+Vaapad: The only instance of Ultra Instinct outside of Dragon Ball Super 😂

I love how the very end of the sith code is never mentioned but it shows exactly where the order went wrong, the sith sought freedom and became slaves to there own beliefs. The jedi have similar failings but they are much more subtle.

I've always wondered whether turning the sabre on and off is a technique that has been explored. Interesting to learn that it has and why it was less common than I would have expected.

Despite Jedi and Sith hating it, trakata is the most clever use of lightsabers and their specifications. I think it would be a good form for grey force users as it utilices the force without caring for being throwned upon by anybody. Also the idea of breaking the opponents balance would work well for a force user who is trying to be in balance between the light and the dark side.

You forgot that Exar Kun wielded Niman AND Trakata (trykata) and was a master of the usage. This was not at all considered weak on the part of the Sith.

Man, imagine a lightsaber wielder that is a master of both Makashi and Juyo, they'd be unstoppable in a 1 on 1 with Makashi being specifically designed for lightsaber combat.

Juyo seems the most practical to master. Upon Mastery you would experience the same benefits of Mastery from Vaapad, while having the strength advantages of rage and fury. Trakata is definitely a trick you should have in your back pocket, but not as a core component of your fighting style. Master Juyo and Soresu with two lightsabers and call it Jureso. Can always drop the extra lightsaber if the situation calls for it, but Mastery of Soresu wielding two lightsabers seems practical as well since it would give more opportunities to utilize Trakata techniques.

In one of the new jedi order books there’s a jedi with a dual phase saber. I believe it could switch from a normal silver blade to a much longer, thin purple blade. There was a scene in one of the books where he was sparring another jedi, and he used the long blade to bait his opponent, switching to the short blade in the middle of her swing and then closing the distance. I can’t remember who it was. I wonder if that would be considered trakata? It wasn’t turning the saber OFF per se, but it was the same effect.

Personally, I would use Juyo with a Saberstaff, but that's mostly because I was introduced to Star Wars through the Phantom Menace as a kid. Darth Maul and Savage Opress are definitely two of my favorite Dark Side characters.

pratice and use them all, taking the best from all forms to create something new. truly balancing the force from a neutral stand point

Vapaad for me I love the form so much

Tracata with Vaapad . This would be the ultimate combination. Of course knowledge of other forms is needed as well to understand your opponents that usually use them .

this is perfect, i just made a jedi character for a sw5e game that combines Shien, Djem so, juyo and Vaapad, the character is written that he enjoys combat and his flaw is that he is easily enticed into it and i also want him to always be on the tight rope between light and dark, tempted but managing to stay balanced

I use vaapad on the regular, I like how it allows you to use your passion in the fight, but still be in control of yourself

Depa Used Vapad?!? That's epic! Knowing that it makes so much sense as to why Kanan was the way he was! Absolutely epic, and I thought I wouldn't learn anything interesting watching this. Good vid!

Bro great video. I’ve always loved the Juyo of Sidious. He is sinister with his Juyo

Trakata: The one thing Jedi and Sith could agree on; It being a dick move

On the topic of Juyo's passion-driven offensive style, a fun fact is that Darth Bane was a master of Juyo. He used it a lot, and eventually moved to an even more offensive style called Djem that had NO defensive moves at all. He relied on his orbalisk 'armor' to protect him from the blows he would suffer due to this lack of defense. Djed made him a HORRIFYING opponent because every move he made was offensive, every attack could be the last thing his opponent saw.

Trakata would be my favorite. To hell with the dogma's of others. Trakata could be so powerful when well-trained.

Trakata feels like a very "New Sith" technique. Based on the ideals put in place by Darth Plagus and Darth Sidius of deception and corruption, instead of direct and furious conquest, Trakata feels like something that they would encourage.

Definitely Trakata. Any advantage should be used in lightsaber combat. It's not a fencing dual, after all.

I feel like a proper Soresu and Juyo master would make you nigh unstoppable

This is literally the only time I have ever come across Trakata in any form whatsoever, and I have researched the 7 classic forms of lightsaber combat so extensively that I could probably teach it. Thank you for sharing this with us. Always good to learn something new.

I'd practically practice all 3 of these forms. Trakata for Practicality. And skimming between hardcore Juyo and calm Vapad consistently depending on situation. I'd do this via having Juyo + Trakata as my base lightsaber forms, and try to get good at gauging the situation in the thrill of battle to know when to switch to Vapad. I'd also probably try to practice the normal actually not forbidden soresu (form III which Kenobi used and top defense form), for more efficiency during these bursts of gauging scenario on the fly (aka when simply gauging on fly during Juyo weakens this dark-side lightsaber form too much, and I need to resort to going with the flow more).

Idea for a variation of Trakata: instead of shutting the blade on and off, the use has a double bladed lightsaber which only activates one end at a time, the user then switches between a standard grip and reverse grip without having to spin the saber

Vaapad technique is incredible. The fact Windu was the only person who could use it easy and effortless.

I actually like all three forbidden forms. One is sneaky trickster tricks, another is a passionate chaos that can be used through your own emotions, and the third turns enemy powers and emotions against themselves. All three are very interesting to study.

Juyo and Vaapad I was familiar with before, but hadn't heard of Trakata before. I can see why, though while it's seen uncommon use, it can come in handy at the right times.

Jakarta form is very interesting because it can surprise the enemy and allow to create window to counter attack. Most importantly if use this form right and master it form, it can manuver and defeat many enemies with ease

Vaapad has always been my favorite but in my personal training I use Makashi and was learning a little JuYo for a bit

Vapad and trakata are interesting forms of combat,i will probably practice them

I've always wanted to see a Mace Windu origin movie because I feel like he had to overcome some dark tendencies to be as chill as he was and develop Vaapad. My Sith Lord name would be "Darth Aneurysm: The Silent Killer".

Trakata wit vapad fluid movements 😭😭

ngl, Trakata seems to be the safest and most practical of the three. It could also make you really unpredictable which in a life or death lightsaber duel would be a weapon of its own.

If I was a character in star wars I'd definitely want to practice Trakata. I've thought many times about why they never/rarely switched the lightsaber on and off mid fight to disrupt opponents since it seemed like an interesting way to fight. Now I know why thx.

Corran Horn also lengthened and shortened his blade as needed during battles. He would go to roughly twice the normal length at times in order to secure an advantage. For him, survival was far more important (at that time) than being "sporting".

yo this is gonna be insane

Only one thing about Vapaad, it blatantly does NOT allow Mace to redirect Sidious' lightning. His saber blade begins to bend and it is stated to be too much for Vapaad in the Novelization, hinting at the fact that Sidious had been holding back the entire time. Mace himself says that it is too much and that he cannot stop him while begging for Anakin's help. Great video!

Trakata is also used in one of the Old Republic Trailers with Vaylin and her Mother. Would've loved to see that.

Which is why I firmly believe that Anakin should have learned Vapaad from Windu. A hybrid of Djem-so/Shien and Vapaad would have been deadly.

I would use Vaapad all day it's the best fit for me knowing I'm well versed at using the dark and the light ☯️

Vapad with aplication of tarkata here and there, paired with a scyth saber kitted with a lava kyber crystal and a few shoto sabers each kitted with either ghost kyber crystals or that acidic crystal would be great.

Windu: Uses Vapad to fight without using his mind. 9:59 *knocking noises from the door* “Hey! It’s me, Goku!”

Not sure if this is cannon anymore but Palpatine was described as being a master of all 7 forms before.

I think mastering one form then learning others to compensate for the weaknesses of the one you mastered would be cool

The Corran duel description was missing a piece. Corran had brought his lightsaber up next to his temple near his eye with the blade pointed at his Vong opponent, the tip pointing at the Vong eye. Corran then toggled his lightsaber power source from one stone to another. Instantly, the length and width of his saber. The longer saber impaled the eye of the hot blooded Vong. If I’m mistaken on which duel you are describing, but this one sticks out in my mind

I do MMA, and the principals of melee combat are pretty much universal no matter what weapon you use, if youre even using one. I personally would heavily lean on trakata. Misdirection and deception in the heat of combat are so powerful. Make your opponent think youre doing something you arent, leaving them open, then go for a direct hit. Like feinting a jab to the face, prompting them to block high, then hit them with a hard low cross to the solar plexus. Half of my IRL moveset is feinting into a heavy powershot.

Trakata wasn’t a lightsaber form. It was a maneuver. There wasn’t a form based around this. Juyo/Vaapad both essentially function the same as well, the mentality in combat is just slightly different. While Vaapad is reflecting of ones darkness, Juyo internalizes it. Sequence wise they are more or less the same.

While I was watching this video I was practicing the forbidden forms and now I can use them.

trakata is also used by a bedlam raider with a double bladed lightsaber in jedi survivor. it’s effective because it definitely confused me

Thanks to VR, I have found out that, given a lightsaber, I would definitely use Trakata with a Cal K. style dual saber. Modded Blade and Sorcery is such a Jedi power fantasy! Lmao!

Trakata would definatly be in my bag. Jedi and sith can give me the side eye, but it sounds like such an unexpected move that your opponent constantly has to mind. If they're in the heat of the moment, you can just switch the saber off and get them blindsided.

Valid and transit sound like something I would use

Vaapad is my favorite, mainly because Mace Windu just made it look so badass.

If we had something that could use it, trakata would be the first thing implemented in any Fighting style, solely because if anyone is using it, everyone must use it.

Trakata for me, sounds perfect for me and for a Grey Jedi

Vapaad for sure. It's the ultimate form for mastery of ones own emotions, which allows one to become perfectly balanced. However it does veer extremely close to the edge, so only those who have a deep understanding of themselves and a highly resistant mind, should be using it. You must be at total peace with yourself to be in total control of yourself. Only then will you be able to use vapaad without risks

Corran Horn specifically used an old-fashioned dual phase saber that contained the systems for two separate lightsabers each set to a different length allowing him to switch between them as needed

There’s a legends book called shatterpoint where Mace Windu uses vapaad. Really good book and great insight into Mace Windu.

I like to think another reason why Trakata isn’t used often aside from the sith and Jedi views, would be that turning on and off a lightsaber will randomly have different retracting and igniting times. We see in the movies often, sometimes the blades come out and retract either almost instantly, and sometimes very slowly. I’d like to think that it is random and they view this as a risk as well, and in the heat of battle, while trying to predict and sense an opponents next move constantly would not be directing their force sensitivity to sense whether or not their blade will both retract and ignite in a swift manner in one move. In fact I would consider in my head canon that this is the main reason, and the Jedi and sith views the icing on the cake. (Didn’t watch the video just yet but saw the thumbnail, so sorry if you mention this being an option lol)

Vaapad is literally like getting bullied but instead of the bully hitting you, they are hitting themselves as you say to them stop hitting yourself. Meanwhile they don't even know why their own punches keep landing on them. I'm taking Vaapad

Trakata was used in the Ahsoka series too, Ahsoka vs Marrok in episode 4!

Very funny to hear Maul using mainly Juyu V. Kenobi & Qui Gon.. He's fighting defensively in that battle for the most part...

trakata sounds like the type of style the character I created would use. it would go pretty well with the saber/blaster style he uses.

I would use a combination of VAApad and Trakata. The fast and unintelligible movements of VPAD and the trickiness of Trakata must be hell to deal with

Trakata was actually allowed just it was frowned upon if used. Exar kun brought it out to its maximum potential when he reigned as the sith master. The form had flaws which had to be corrected on the fly in the heat of battle which meant it was not suited for major engagements but was good for a surprise in duels. After the surprise you pretty much have to do something else quickly. Exar kun had a variable toggle on his lightsaber that could adjust his blade from the no damage ghostly light to the strongest densest blade possible just like that always adjusting on the fly never hitting the same move the same way twice. It confounded many of the era’s top masters even the council were stunned because they never faced a lightsaber like it. Exar was defeated when nomi sun rider and hundreds of Jedi put up a force barrier around the base of operations trapping Exar inside and him having to do a ritual to give up his physical body which chained his spirit inside the tomb ending the threat for a couple of generations. It took until the new Jedi order to banish the spirit out and into the force several hundred years later.

Every IT help desk specialist in the history of computing is a Trakata master. Telling people to turn things off and turn them back on again is 90% of their job.

Vapaad I'm already good at retaining emotional control over my anger. I can only guess what using the force would require but I can garenty my dedication to learning what might as well be an illusion when fighting others

Jedi: it’s unsportsmanlike like Sith: your not strong enough Me using trakata: *skill issue*

vapaad, mace windu is one of my favourite characters in fiction, so that enough would convince me to learn it

The prequel saber fights were so good...

Vapaad, Trakata and Soresu Fused into my own style. The defensive movements and cycling whirling flow of defense, the blade only on when it must be, and the ever cycling whirlwind of threat and counterbalance. I would name the style after some form of whirlwind or an undertoe. Against blasters it would be combined with evasive movements to sidestep blasts when possible while drawing saber only to bat blows back or to parry ones that cannot be dodged. Against other sabers it would only activate on points to connect with an enemy, saber or otherwise. Aiming to bypass guards outright and using the connection of Vapaad to connect me to the flow of the enemy blade and energy. The idea is that the saber would ignite always when it had passed guard, or to guard for a brief half a moment yourself. Always moving for unexpected angles. Lastly, even when igniting defensively or for closing distance the blade is never extended beyond half length. Enough to parry, counter and close. Only extending to full length for strikes you intend to hit with. A stab at half length, followed by a parry and a sweeping downward strike, as they rise to block slide back a half step as you strike to feign a miss and extend the rest of the blade as it passes the line of the block, either pushing the enemy saber back into their body with the contact or cutting them in the middle as your blade is much longer than you've been fighting with. Stance wise, keep the blade igniter, even when off, pointed at your foe. Always keep the blade and its potential length aimed at your foe. Because your blade isn't consistently on, they cannot bat the threat away. They would have to accept charging into a place where the blade could ignite at any time from nearly any angle.

im not even into starwars but this was a great video!!

Trakata is a form that is just plain nasty. But it has counters. Juyo Is a form. That can take on lone armies. But it has counters. Vapad is single handedly one of the most dangerous and down right unfair forms to use as a jedi. If you let it take complete control in a one on one fight. The opponent cannot do anything against you. Palpatin was arguably the true master of Juyo and still couldnt fight of Vapad at its strongest form. Not to mention the sheer versatility in it is truly terrifying

Trakata for sure. If your weapon can turn off to give you an advantage, then use it. It’s like when ninja would conceal short blades in long sheaths to slice past a katana

Takata. Can't say the others interest me in that much ways except just learning and understanding.

9:46 I'm so glad there's a lore reason for why windu did that. It kinda was out of character for such a high ranking jedi and it, along with the discussion about it with anakin in the clone wars, never really sat right with me

Great Job ...

If you could combine Vaapad, Trakata, Mikashi, and Juyo with a touch of Soresu... you would be one helluva Lightsaber duelist.

I tend to focus heavy on form 7 in the duals I have been a part of at convention events.

The younglingslay combat form is one to rule them all!

As a former fencer, turning off your lightsaber in the middle of a clash is a good way to get killed. It works in movies because they're not actually trying to hit each other, but in real combat the enemy is swinging to hit you. If your blade is not there, you will get hit.

I would practice vapaad simply because of its origin. It was inspired by a creature and beasts don’t necessarily always harbor hate or rage.