Same lol

@@NunoFilipe99 and a Strix Halo Laptop with 8 (X3D) cores and 40 CU`s for under 1,5 k

I think you'll get that. It's a logical step, for sure.

Zen 6 X3D would have 16 cores on both CCD's. Zen 6 will also feature a 32 core CPU it will be Zen 6c. Zen 5c and Zen 6c is basically the (e cores) version of AMD. Zen 5 X3D is unsure if it has X3D on both CCD's. But Zen 6 X3D is for sure on both CCD and I expect Zen 6 to have double the cache amount vs Zen 5 X3D. Meaning Zen 5 could have a little more cache spit to two CCD's. But there is also a rumor/leaks that suggest Zen 6 to have 3 CCD's meaning Zen 4 will have X3D on one CCD, Zen 5 on two CCD's and Zen 6 also on two CCD's with the 3rd CCD being the CCD0 (which is the main CCD). But if main CCD0 and CCD1 will have X3D then CCD2 will be Zen 6c (as the 3rd CCD) which is for AI focused and other background tasks and when they implement X3D into the Zen 5 or 6c it will have more performance in frames and apps like DLSS/FSR/Raytraycing. If Zen 6 X3D comes out it will most likely use Zen 5c cores and this will be something like 16 cores Zen 6 + 4 cores Zen 5c or somewhere like 20-24 cores up to 32+ cores AMD's physical core count is a maximum of 8 cores per CCX and 16 cores per CCD if I'm correct Zen 4 was 8 cores per CCD, Zen 5 will be 16 cores per CCD and Zen 6 will be 32 cores per CCD the last one might be Zen 6c only and this CPU will be like a 16 cores on steroids for multitasking and programming and other heavy duty tasks like video editing.

I want so much V-Cache on my next CPU, it remembers its own creation at the fab.

@@ZiZo34344False CPU bottleneck still is a thing.

​@@ZiZo34344depends. People underestimate sometimes how much of a difference a CPU can make. If you have something like a 4090, the next gen CPU that's about come out can probably offset some of the load the GPU might be doing and free up performance for the GPU, hence increasing FPS output and requiring a better CPU. Def not as much as the actual raw CPU performance difference but enough to be noticable. Maybe from 60 to 90 fps and not 100+ but noticable

Double fps or I wont upgrade

@@2muchjpop as long as your GPU sits ~99% utilization faster CPU gives you sh*t.

@@korinogaro okay bro put that 4090 on your q6600 (⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)

zen 6 x3D more like 2027.

I thought zen5 was q3 24

@@chrisgraff2103 For the non X3D variants. Zen 4 non X3D launched 2nd half of 2022 and X3D launched in 1st half 2023. If AMD keeps the same type of release schedule, Zen 5 X3D should be early 2025.

@@darkfire3691 Yup Zen 6 end of 2026 and Zen 6 X3D 2027 Q1

@@chrisgraff2103 Yes, Zen 5 release is between August-Sept it will release before Arrow Lake which release a month or two later then Zen 5 late Oct.

This guy is better

Gaymer Meld

Let's hope not for desktop. Works better for server loads.

Probably never. It seems that the industry goes more in the hybrid direction, without smt. For example 4 big/really fast singlethreading-cores and 12 tiny/slower singlethreading-cores. Maybe Zen6-Ryzen will be 8xZen6 + 16xZen6c ...

Meanwhile intel is killing hyperthreading

I wouldn’t read anything into AMD’s presence at Hot Chips. They, like all the other semiconductor companies, go every year, and AMD has historically not aligned their product release cadence with the Hot Chips conference. We will undoubtedly get a lot more details on the architecture (including white papers that are pretty much only useful for people working in the industry) because that’s what this conference is all about, but there’s also a good chance they’ll be discussing RDNA 4 and their next AI chips based around CDNA. And that’s to say nothing of Xilinx, future Xbox/Playstation chips, and R&D efforts that will come to market post-Zen5. In short, don’t read anything into it quite yet.

@@benjaminlynch9958 ~ ok, sounds fair.

Well, it's "interesting". Like Zen 5 could be 10-15% faster or 40%. LOL, seriously this guy is all over the place and doesn't know sshhhhiiittt.

Zen 6 isnt finished yet... so it will depend how it does in tests... which wont end until early 2025-mid 2025... so we wont know for sure until probably like august 2025.

It will do good for PC if consoles come out with like 24 cores. That would force developpers to use more cores.

3 months lol. More like 9 months Zen5 x3d isnt coming out until at least march 25.

It's about having more for your money, when will 200-299$ 8 cores cpu be a thing?

_except for like small % of professional users_ Very few, so buy the cheapest ARM and firee up Office Online and webmail. Or the lowest 2 core. Oh wait lowest is 4 these days. It will do fine. _Majority of software can't even properly utilize 16 cores_ Define majority. By power use%? By lines of code? By number of programs used? Or sold? Many many free downloads of great software. Or by how many they really load up? By total running hours? The smaller helper programs that load 1 or 2 cores like CChelper, BorgBackup, 4K Downloader, are all programs used by people that also load up Photoshop, Da Vinci, that also may or may not load up 16 cores (often not). Even then, kernels for large programs like SolidWorks, SolidEdge, certain GIS packages cannot use 2 cores fully, almost every component depends on the previous. For brute forcing many paths for CAM or a good render it can load as many cores as you can throw at it, gpu's too. _games have problem with 8 cores_ Some do, some do not. A lot is multiplatform, all consoles have 8 cores, so games use 8 cores. If you then have some stuff in the background (most have more than they think) that loads those 8 cores too so 10-12 is ideal to me. My tray: Skype, Discord, Nvidia, Outlook, Qbittorrent, Avid Link, Seagate Toolkit, App Center, Phone Link, G Hub, Roccat Swarm, Everything, GOG, Epic, Steam, EA Play, Mega, Avast, MalwareBytes, Teams, OneDrive. And I am not even that exceptional, many have way way more there. All running in the background. _lot of them still hammers only 1-2 cores_ Of course the do, for the main loop, but this also is a function of middleware (Unreal Engine, CryEngine, Source, Unity, Godot, FMOD, Wwise) doing this. Even then, I sometimes run Pro Tools, Handbrake, DaVinci, SolidEdge, and aside from the odd game I play (mostly Eve anyway) having good cpu on tap is a good thing for my measly desktop.

@@necrospencer6587700x is $285 on Amazon right now. And to the OP, the purpose of more cores is for datacenters where the servers are running dozens to hundreds of VM’s and containers, and increasing core counts has a practical benefit of consolidating multiple servers into a single server and reducing total cost of ownership within the datacenter. There’s a reason why mainstream consumer CPU’s haven’t gone past 16 cores, and the ‘best’ gaming CPU’s are still just 8 cores with a lot of cache. These 32 core CCD’s are almost certainly the cloud optimized variants (lower clock speed, but many more cores) and we won’t be seeing anything like that in desktop or laptop form factors.

Thats why next gen consoles need to have zen 6 with MORE cores so that games are forced to use more cores becaus consoles have more cores. Its all about the consoles. Thats why games arent using more than 8 cores... because consoles have 8 cores.

All rumors and info so far say Zen6 will be on AM5.

@@nipa5961 No Zen 6 is a completely new architecture based on a new motherboard namely AM6, so 2025 AM5 is the last generation for AM5 CPU/Motherboard and in 2026 AM6 is the newest generation with AM6 boards. AM5: 1st generation is Zen 4 = X670E (AMD 600's boards) 2022 2nd generation is Zen 5 = X770E (AMD 700's boards) 2024 AM6: 1st generation is Zen 6 = X870E (AMD 800's boards) 2026 2nd generation is Zen 7 = X970E (AMD 900's boards). 2028 Zen 8 = AM7 = 2030

Nah, it will be B750/X770E motherboard for Zen 6. Just like Zen 5 will be on B650/X670E motherboard.

@@winnb4968 source?

@@winnb4968 you make no sense. AM6 "B750/X770E motherboard for Zen 6." but "AM5: 2nd generation is Zen 5 = X770E (AMD 700's boards) 2024" ?

16 cores not enough?

@@nipa5961 32 and 4 memory channels would be better.

@@nipa596116 cores has been on the consumer platform since 2019, and for the people who actually need 16 cores they want more multi-threading anyways. I want AMD to increase cote counts because I want cheaper 8 cores. At this point I think R3 6C, R5 8C, R7 12C, and R9 16C and 24C for consumer Zen 5 is reasonable, but AMD won’t be doing that for money purposes.