Are Kellar's Keep & Return of the Witch Lord HeroQuest Expansions Worth Buying?

Are Kellar's Keep & Return of the Witch Lord HeroQuest Expansions Worth Buying? - Top 5 Reasons Why

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Always Board Never Boring has his complaints about Kellar's Keep and Return of the Witch Lord, but in general he thinks they are really good expansions, and he has a soft spot for them thanks to nostalgia. In this video he shares his top 5 reasons why they are worth getting, rather than just skipping ahead to the newer, shinier expansions that have new monsters and miniatures to play with.
Please note that this video includes an "official" order in which to play the expansions, but there is absolutely no reason you need to adhere to this order. Go nuts.
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00:00 Intro
00:34 Getting into HeroQuest
01:30 Skip the old stuff?
02:54 The top 5 list
03:09 The official order
04:54 The original experience
06:25 The evil horde
08:37 Stories and set pieces
11:09 Zargon's toolbox
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@imalive4u169 9 ай бұрын

To be honest the expansions Keller's Keep and Return of the Witch Lord are just extensions to the main game. The Frozen Horror, The Mage of the Mirror and now The Rising of the Dread Moon expansions are the aftermath games of the main game in Zargon's defeat.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Seems like we have a similar opinion. I pretty much say exactly the same thing in the video, that the two expansions with the core game feel like a complete experience, and then the game gets a bit "villain of the week" and loses a bit of the cohesive storytelling.

@dontpushme 9 ай бұрын

To me the only disappointment with these expansions is the monsters are the same sculpts as in the core game; alt sculpts would have been the cherry on the top of otherwise excellent expansions. Glad you made the same point in your video.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

I'm not a fan of painting the same model over and over. It was a bit more forgivable back in the day, but I feel that Avalon Hill could have done more sculpts, especially as they created some additional sculpts during the crowdfunding campaign (although I do appreciate the reason why they didn't use those sculpts).

@darthkek1953 4 ай бұрын

Obviously cost reasons. But because you have so many of them I'm less worried about trying to kitbash a few, experiment paint colours, etc.

@M-E_123 4 ай бұрын

I always wanted models for the Spirit Riders & other named characters / special monsters (Witch Lord, Witch Queen, Skulmar, Guardian Gargoyle from Kellars Keep, Skeletons of the Dwarven Kings an Orc Warboss etc.). And now since seeing ranged Goblins, Orcs & Skeletons from Against the Ogre Horde, and finding out about the alternate rules for Goblins & Skeletons on the Heroquest App (Goblins can split movement for hit & run attacks - Skeletons can attack diagonally) - and the fact they've now released the Mythic Tier alternate sculpts (which include Skeletons with Shields & Zombies without - suggesting they should have different stats). The more I look at it, the more these feel like a missed opportunity to fix the main issue these packs always had - not enough enemy variety (for both painting & gameplay).

@jameswhitehouse5706 9 ай бұрын

The original Les Edwards artwork on these expansions really made them stand out on the shelves as something special.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

They had spectacular cover art. I liked Return of the Witch Lord with the barbarian in chains, but the little goblin hanging off Grin's Crag always made me chuckle.

@iLostAgenToday 9 ай бұрын

I completely agree! Ah, the excitement of the two expansions after finishing the main game was unbelievable!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

With Kellar's Keep in particular I feel like the story really ramps up the excitement.

@jeremycarnes1656 9 ай бұрын

Witch Lord is my favorite of all them. But honestly, when you look how cheap they both are, there's no reason not to pick them up.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

They are very competitively priced for what they contain and how many hours of gameplay you get out of them.

@Aigis31 7 ай бұрын

And given that they're the oldest expansions, they're the most prone to going on sale during big sales, which makes them even more worth the price.

@JollyGeneral 9 ай бұрын

Thanks! I'm early into my Zargon journey and running my group through the core quests now. I have all the expansions and wasn't sure which I should do next. I knew of the play order but the bigger boxes had such an attractive draw with the new monsters & rooms, but now I feel even more excited to run them through Kellar's & Witch Lord first!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

I do think you get a great story if you run through those expansions first. If you sense them getting anxious to face some new monsters, you could always trim a few missions from each expansion to speed things along a bit.

@stuarthill5309 9 ай бұрын

Never really thought of it this way, but basically the first two expansions make this a movie trilogy!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think the core set and first two expansions form a really good narrative. It hangs together really well.

@jonathan2950 9 ай бұрын

Really interesting video, thanks. And seeing your (awesomely) painted original HQ minis makes me long for you to do some playthroughs with your original set! 😊

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Thanks. There is one HeroQuest playthrough on the channel with my classic set, but those minis also turn up on my Advanced Heroquest playthrough.

@martinfiedler4317 9 ай бұрын

Already bought them and looking forward to hear, if that was money well spent 😉

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

I hope you have a lot of fun with them.

@danroberts007 9 ай бұрын

YES!! Thank you for validating my HQ purchasing decisions, as I've only picked up Kellar's Keep and the Witch Lord expansions despite how cool the newer, bigger expansions look. I wouldn't mind owning those other boxes, but this is what I've got so far, and it sounds like it's plenty good enough for now. :-) You're the best!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

They are good expansions. I hope you have a lot of fun with them.

@Malcadon 9 ай бұрын

It would have been nice if they came with figures for the special monsters featured in the quests and a 3D forge, but its fine. I do like how they add new tiles for a stature and bone pile (much like the storm drains and straight stairs from the Game System), even though they are never used in the actual quests. Their inclusion allows for greater options when making your own quests. Part of the "tool kit" is also hidden elements that can improve the over all game, namely in Kellar's Keep, you can roll against your Body or Mind. With that little rule, you can open the game up for addtinal actions. For example, you can, as a houserule, make Body checks to move heavy furniture or escape from a Yetti's deadly hug. I generally recommend going though all the quest notes making note of each and every special rule, feature or item so they can be used in one's homebrew quests.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

When I reviewed the new versions way back when Avalon first released them to retail one of the things I said at the time was they should have made a plastic forge so it was in-line with the other plastic furniture. If they make a "dwarf quest" pack that would be a good opportunity to rectify that mistake. I agree it's a good idea to read through all the quest books. They are packed with little ideas, often that only crop up once, for Zargon players to use.

@mattwoolrich5313 9 ай бұрын

I’m going to get the new AH HeroQuest for Xmas but I can remember the witch lord set back in the 90s and found the quests amazing !!!! You were cool if you beat eve witch lord. Great vid

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

HeroQuest is the ultimate Christmas present. I hope you have a lot of fun with the new edition.

@captcorajus 6 ай бұрын

Great breakdown! I 100% agree. Keller's Keep and Return of the Witchlord seems like one epic campaign, not to mention all those cool undead!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 6 ай бұрын

It does feel like a really exciting extended story. Other expansions are a lot of fun, but they just don’t hinge together in the same way. Thanks for for watching.

@MatthewCaunsfield Ай бұрын

Christmas of 1989 was a great day! I eagerly bought both expansions when they came out and wasn't disappointed. It's interesting to see the "official" order of the quests, since due to some clever writing on the back of each box, either one can come first - and it just happens to be the one you're holding! 😂

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Ай бұрын

They definitely didn't lock you down to a specific order, but even back in the day playing Kellar's Keep then Return of the Witch Lord always felt like the right order to me. At the end of the core campaign you are told that the Emperor is in immediate peril while the Witch Lord will need time to regain his strength, so it always felt like that was the way to tackle things.

@jeffdave8884 9 ай бұрын

They are both enjoyable additions to the game and I have them for the original and new game, just a pity there wasn't an actual Witch Lord miniature in the new version

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

They are really good expansions. The lack of new miniatures is the main complaint for me.

@andrewjamieson7178 8 ай бұрын

Great video, very well articulated points. If I find these at a good price, I'll not hesitate in picking them up.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@MediaManPower 6 ай бұрын

Very good points - I played HeroQuest (the basic box) when we and my big brother were 12 and 14 years old respectively. I thought the game was great, but too easy. This remake, with the expansions, revised rules and upped difficulty made me go ham once more and now I wish to buy all official Avalon Hill HeroQuest products.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 6 ай бұрын

Avalon Hill did a great job with the new edition. I hope you continue having lots of fun with it.

@taylora8845 4 ай бұрын

1. I really have to thank you for your videos also, as they really cut through the confusion on where to start. I didn't even know there were downloadable quests available before you crack open the book lol. And with all the Expansion packs, I had my eye on Frost Horror once we finish as a fan of snowy settings, and didn't realize these are meant to go in order. Since these 2 in your review seemed to be the first, I now see that the new "Prophecy of Telos" is mean to squeeze in after Kellers Keep! 2. Another thing though, many discussions come up recommended house rule variants, (like alternatives for character movement instead of dice.) I don't seem to see anything on the Avalon Hill page, but perhaps there are some "official" pages on this.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 4 ай бұрын

The unthreatened movement rules were published by Avalon Hill as part of the Into the Northlands downloadable mission, which serves as a prequel to Frozen Horror. If you have access to the app, you will also see some more official variants in there, like skeletons being able to attack diagonally.

@taylora8845 4 ай бұрын

wow, thanks so much. I will def get on the app. I'll have to see what they "allow" when starting out, (like if movement rules can be changed early on etc. Thanks! We hope to start soon, so it's great to know about starting with "A New Beginning" quest etc.. @@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 4 ай бұрын

They are variants, so not technically part of the rules, and there are no hard and fast rules for implementing them either. You just add in the ones you like whenever you want; HeroQuest is very laid back and flexible in that regard. Almost all players have their own house rules they like to sue. I have used unthreatened movement since they published Into the Northlands, just because it speeds up non-combat turns (when there are monsters, you roll the dice for movement as normal). Also, I only let heroes search for treasure once per room, I combine searches for traps and secret doors (as this was the norm in the original European rules) and I implement a little doom counter that will tick up every turn there are no monsters on the board as an incentive for the heroes to keep moving. If you use any of the variants in the app, you can toggle them on and off as you want, so you can add them if the game gets easy, and switch them off if it starts to get challenging.

@taylora8845 4 ай бұрын

Thanks tons, that's a huge help! We are super excited to dive in now that we feel more prepared and not so overwhelmed lol. :) @@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

@taylora8845 4 ай бұрын

And in response to this helpful video it is a big help clearing the confusion with so many expansions. I don't think I can get *all* of them, but since these 2 were the original first two & continues the story of the main game, I think I'll eventually pick these 2 up at least. :) @@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring

@WarpaintStudios 5 ай бұрын

Love your cntent, would it be possible for you to list all available retail sets? I have the main game and i know kellars keep and return of the witch lord were the first 2 to release, but after that i'm lost haha. I'm looking to buy them all and obviously the newer ones sell out uick and the older ones are becoming difficult to track down so i'm hoping to grab those first and be up to date by end of this year :)

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. So, the retail releases that are currently available, in order, are: Core game (1) - 4 heroes Kellar's Keep (2) Return of the Witch Lord (5) The Frozen Horror (6) - alternative barbarian Rogue Heir of Elethorn - 1 hero Mage of the Mirror (7) - alternative elf Rise of the Dread Moon (8) - 1 hero (knight) Spirit Queen's Torment (4) - 1 hero (orc bard) Prophecy of Telor (3) - 1 hero (halfling warlock) Wandering Monk - 1 hero Numbers in brackets the "official" order in terms of storyline, although there's no reason you can't play them in any order you wish once you have worked through the core game. I have also noted which expansions have more heroes, in case adding to your team roster is an important aspect of choosing expansions to buy.

@WarpaintStudios 5 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Thanks, i've just ordered the dread moon as it was available and something in my price range. next month i'll be getting kellars and witch lord. Keep up the good work

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 5 ай бұрын

@@WarpaintStudiosThanks. Have fun in the dungeon!

@moseth7606 9 ай бұрын

Top job man!! The new stuff is great but the fantasy and imagination certainly proves it was at its best way back when

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Thanks. I think the storytelling was definitely at its strongest with the first expansions.

@fortysixand2 9 ай бұрын

In the US, both expansions were available on Amazon for $12 each virtually all summer. I expect they'll be on sale again sooner than later. Even though I bought them at the same time as the core set in 2021, I took advantage of the sale. It's always nice to have extra minis and backup tiles and it was too cheap to pass up.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

At that price, you can't go wrong.

@andrewjamieson7178 8 ай бұрын

Also, thanks for the running order, very useful to know.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 8 ай бұрын

I’m glad it was useful.

@EriktheRed2023 9 ай бұрын

I never owned any expansions to the original core game, which I didn't get to play as much as I would have liked. I wish I had bought KK and RotWL, as there has been many times when I just did not have enough orcs and skeletons for my TTRPG needs. So I picked these new ones up as a matter of course. I agree with your assessments, for what that's worth.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

You can never have too many skeletons and zombies.

@Brass-ry6sp 8 ай бұрын

What about the 13 quests from the Dark Company in the Advanced Edition? Plus Ogre Horde & Wizards of Morcar, Where do they fit chronologically?

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 8 ай бұрын

The official order of quests is from Avalon Hill for their new edition. As they haven't published Dark Company or Ogre Horde (yet - Ogre Horde is on the way) they haven't specified where those missions would fall at the moment.

@Polysixchick 9 ай бұрын

can you use the new repro expansions with the original 80s base game?

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

I've talked about this on the channel in detail before, but the brief answer is yes and no. Avalon Hill scaled up the size of the new edition, so miniatures and tile overlays are slightly too big for an old board. Also, if you are used to the European rules, Avalon Hill are using the US rules, which are different in a lot of ways. They also changed fimirs to abominations for IP reasons. Other than that, their remakes of the old expansions are pretty much the same.

@RiFFxxx 9 ай бұрын

I still have my Heroquest expansions, including Wizard's of Morcar which was never played because my mates wanted Space crusade night instead. Bastards😠 As for the new one, i'll buy all they release. Not a total fan of the Warcraft theme but i can live with it.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Well... I'm not going to lie... I don't think they were wrong. I think Space Crusade is the better game. They still should have played Wizards of Morcar too, though! I know what you mean about the "Warcraft" aesthetic. Nothing is going to beat the original style, but I understand the choice, and they apply it consistently and with nice nods to the original, so I'm okay with it.

@Apaal01 4 ай бұрын

I already have the original and two expansions (kellar's keep + witch lord). Could I use the old expansions with the new base game?

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 4 ай бұрын

I did do a video on this subject (but looking at it from the other side - new expansions on an old core game). The short answer is yes and no. Avalon Hill scaled up the size of the board for the new edition, so tile overlays, tokens, and miniatures are not the same size. Additionally, Avalon Hill's new edition of the game uses the North American rules. If you grew up with the European edition of the game, then you will notice significant differences that also led to differences in the quest maps and special rules.

@hispazargon 9 ай бұрын

Fully agree with those 5 reasons... but I would add a sixth one. To play these two expansions, Zargon player do not need to learn too many new rules like in other later expanions like FH or MoM. For me this is also a positive point for them because not every player likes to study many new rules if they only want to play just a new story with their Heroes.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

It's a great reason to work through them before moving on to the newer expansions, especially Rise of the Dread Moon which adds quite a few new concepts.

@carlosbarreto4695 9 ай бұрын

When I added the core set of HeroQuest to the cart, I was also wondering if these two expansions were worthy, since they only were adding more of the same monsters. But since the deals were very good (Kellar's Keep for 15.96€ and Return of the Witch Lord for 19.75€), I decided they were worthy. That's about 1€ per miniature. And even for those who manage to get the quest book online, the *tiles* aren't something that you can reproduce easily with the same level of quality as the one included in the box. In any case... I wish I would have the miniature for the Witch Lord (which I don't have because the crowd funding wasn't made possible to me). All the other expansions contain the miniatures for the final boss.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Kellar's Keep and Return of the Witch Lord do work out as really good value for what they bring to the table. I think it would be great if Avalon Hill did a villain pack. It wouldn't have to include every named villain we have ever met, but it could have the Witch Lord, a fancy looking orc for all those different warlords we fight, and a miniature we could use for Sir Ragnar or any special dread warrior. Something that, while not necessarily unique to any given villain, would at least make those villains a bit more special on the tabletop.

@carlosbarreto4695 9 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yeah, that would be awesome! Specially the Witch Lord. The guy is a big boss, right?

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

As a proper recurring villain that you face numerous times, it seems only right he should get a miniature.

@michaelmiguelsanchez 9 ай бұрын

To me, as a returning player, they are a core part of the Heroquest experience. I couldn’t imagine not playing through them. I’m still waiting for my horde of Ogres though. Sure, there was a missed opportunity for alternative sculpts and boss miniatures, but they are cheap enough that I still think the value is there.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Absolutely. I think they are great value for what they contain. A miniature for the forge and some new sculpts would have been the icing on the cake.

@jasonnewell7036 9 ай бұрын

Yep. Xmas 1989. It was the Heroquest year. I ended up with Kellar's Keep, Return of the Witch Lord and The Ogre Horde.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

We really do just like all the same stuff, don't we?

@elmeric7086 7 ай бұрын

Awesome

@dancingpotplant 5 ай бұрын

I've only got the base game. Would these new versions be compatible with the original publishing?

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 5 ай бұрын

Avalon Hill scaled up the board and miniatures for the new edition, so everything is a bit larger which can cause issues when using the original board. Also, if you have an original European edition, be advised that Avalon Hill's edition uses the US rules which are quite a bit different.

@russwaddel08 9 ай бұрын

I backed this on HasLab, and got the Mythic Tier, which included these two expansions (as long as three new adventures with new figures, minis, classes, etc). Kellar's Keep and Return of the Witch Lord are official expansions to 1989's HeroQuest. You forgot to mention that.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

I really didn't forget to mention that. There's a whole section of the video about how I consider them the original '89 experience. There are also numerous other videos about that subject on the channel.

@HivisoftheScale 9 ай бұрын

Ahhh classic... I think i might have missed some of those Downloadable Quests though... 🕵 I was a little disappointed by Kellars Keep, (which I am willing to overlook because everyone needs MOAR ORCS!) due to the some what repetitive nature of the quests. The pieces of Grin's Map are the most disappointing, as they are functionally pointless. Also the final boss is just a slightly improved Gargoyle. Not even a named Gargoyle like Verag... 😢 But I still love both of these Expansions, and wouldn't trade them (or skip them) for the world. My favorite part of the crowd-funded miniatures was the Witch Lord figure. 🥰

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Grin's map is intentionally vague, but it is a functioning map, and you can use it. I thought it was a pretty neat design, giving some useful hints without openly pointing out every potential danger. It has all the corridors and rooms, shows you which way is north and has a label in runic script which suggests an area of importance. I agree the final confrontation could be a bit more special, but I think HeroQuest often stumbles a little when it comes to bosses because there is only so much they can do within the constraints of the game.

@HivisoftheScale 9 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring yeah... Bosses can be disappointedly short lived. One lucky hit from the players, and a crap roll on the combat dice from Zargon, and it's nap time!

@darthkek1953 4 ай бұрын

@@HivisoftheScale I'm someone who is still upset the Bloodletter gets renamed into Gargoyle.

@ARuck-ws1xl 9 ай бұрын

Where can I get the extra quests you mentioned? Are they downloadeble somewhere?

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

They are all on the Hasbro website. I linked to them in the videos that I did about them when they came out but if you Google the names you will find them all easily.

@ARuck-ws1xl 9 ай бұрын

I'll try...

@cptmachine 9 ай бұрын

I never knew if I was supposed to restart the characters after each quest book or are you supposed keep the same characters until they die.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

The intention is to keep the same characters, and by the time you get to expansions like Frozen Horror you are really going to need all the special equipment you have found along the way.

@user-xr2bm8nl6q 9 ай бұрын

Hi I'm Chris do you know when prophecy of telor is due out thank

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

No official announcement yet. All the forthcoming products that are currently available for preorder are slated for early 2024, though.

@Le_Petomane 9 ай бұрын

just in time before buying my first expansion.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Hopefully the video is helpful for you.

@nickgraney2119 8 ай бұрын

Would you have an opinion based on owning the expansions, why Kellers Keep qould be proced at 17.98 at Game and The RoTWL is priced higher at 24.99. Watch through your content on both expansions, i cane see an obvious reason for the price difference? Wondered what i was missing (prices have been at this since the start of the year)

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 8 ай бұрын

The recommended retail price for both expansions is the same. I got them from Game when they were first released and paid £24.99 each. If Game have funky pricing on them now, it's probably to do with their stock levels or perceived interest. Maybe Witch Lord sells better because you get a lot more undead, which are quite limited in the core set. It may be a regional issue. In terms of value proposition, both expansions are pretty much on the same level.

@nickgraney2119 8 ай бұрын

Thanks. Will add these to Finn's Christmas presents then. We have been playing with the App, our last 2 games with me playing Zargon. What a game changer 😊😂

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 8 ай бұрын

The app is nice, but a human Zargon player takes the game to a whole different level.

@michaelcrouthers8857 8 ай бұрын

You NEED Kellar's Keep and Return of the With Lord if for no reason other than that they bulk up your army of monsters. When I bought the quest packs I wasn't thinking "Bummer, this is just more of what I already have." I WANTED more of what I already had. It's like you said, orcs, goblins and undead are suppose to form hordes. Their strength is is numbers. As far as I'm concerned, they could've thrown in a few extra Chaos Warriors, too.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, got to have those hordes. A few more poses would have been nice, but with the new edition Avalon Hill are giving us more varied orc and goblin poses and extra dread warriors in the Spirit Queen's Torment and Prophecy of Telor expansions, so that's pretty neat.

@barrygavin749 9 ай бұрын

At the beginning of lockdown I dusted off my mb games Heroquest and set about upgrading what I had. Using reaper and zealot miniatures to bulk out the game. Kellers keep had one aspect that bothered me. It based on a dwarven setting yet everything was scaled for humans. Skeleton miniatures represented dwarven skeletons for example. With the rerelease I thought it was a real missed opportunity to revamp this box in particular. And yet the likes of the boulder is still a cardboard piece and not a 3D object.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

I'm not worried too much about the boulder being a token, but I think the dwarven forge should have been a terrain element, and they could have added new sculpts for the enemies. That aside, I think they are really good expansions.

@TheFatalT 9 ай бұрын

I’d say they’re worth it. I enjoyed playing both of them a great deal and thought they offered plenty of fun new content to go through.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

I think they offer a lot, especially for the price point. All they are really missing are some new sculpts.

@TheFatalT 9 ай бұрын

Agreed. Would have been nice if AH put some of the alternate sculpts from the Mythic into them, but they’re going for 100% faithful reproductions. For good or bad.

@Venomonia 9 ай бұрын

You need those expansions for your own game quests you create, for example a horde of goblins will hunt you down, you need extra minions. Or skeletons are rising all around you from there graves as a trap you cannot disarm.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Absolutely. I think for a lot of people that will be the most important of the reasons on my list. I don't personally have the time these days to make my own quests, but I used to do it all the time as a kid. I had so much fun coming up with different scenarios.

@barrygavin749 9 ай бұрын

Avalon hill needs to release a similar box with the gray miniatures

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

More dread warriors is a pretty scary prospect.

@yodaflyz 9 ай бұрын

Closest we have right now is the Mythic Box. You got 1 extra gargoyle, 2 additional female dread warriors, 1 additional female dread sorcerer, & the dragon was a grey monster if that counts. Still, a dedicated dread warrior expansion would be both scarry & nice.

@barrygavin749 9 ай бұрын

@@yodaflyz that would be ideal. But I missed backing the project by 24 hours

@barrygavin749 9 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring indeed it would. But it would be equally handy to have 4 more warriors to paint up as the doomguard. An extra gargoyle so you could have 1 flesh and 1 of stone. I would say no to a female dread warrior as we need one for the orcs bane quest. That’s 6 so far. The rest could be filled out with a female dread sorceress some dread cultists and maybe a wolf or three

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

I'm not certain, but I'm sure I heard that you need a second gargoyle for the Crypt of Perpetual Darkness campaign from the Mythic pledge. If they do ever release that quest that would probably be where us retail buyers would get our second gargoyle.

@jasonnewell7036 9 ай бұрын

That cleaver wielding zombie is a classic

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

It's still my favourite zombie miniature of all time. A little small, maybe, but never-the-less...

@godofzombi 9 ай бұрын

I still have Heroquest, these two expansions and the wizards of Morcar. So I just buy the new stuff that I never had as a kid.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Just make sure you are aware that the new stuff is in a bigger scale - floor tiles and miniatures are slightly larger than the original board.

@godofzombi 9 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I know. Wasn't really planning on mixing them if that makes sense. They are almost two different universes in my head: The old Heroquest is in the warhammer world and this new one is in werever this takes place. EDIT: Kellar's keep doesn't even take place in Karak Varn (I had the EU version)

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

That makes sense. These days all my classic HeroQuest stuff gets used for Advanced Heroquest, and I use Avalon Hill's new stuff for actually playing HeroQuest.

@jeanfoutre3620 9 ай бұрын

They are the best expansions, yes. It's just SUCH A PITY they didn't vary the sculpts? Having so many copy-paste goblins/skeletons is just LAZY of them. I agree with you there, ABNB!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Great expansions, just let down a little in the final presentation and polish. A 3D forge to add to the other furniture, some different sculpts... it would have made a huge difference.

@jacobmacintyre5821 4 ай бұрын

I mean ive been playing the original core box from the 80s my entire life and ive never gotten tired of it so.....

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 4 ай бұрын

So… you don’t think Kellar’s Keep and Return of the Witch Lord are worth buying?

@jacobmacintyre5821 4 ай бұрын

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring oh I think they're worth buying I just wanted to reply to your comment about how they don't add anything new, just more of what's already there. That's fine by me. I actually recently got Return of the Witch Lord which I'm painting right now and plan on doing the same for Kellars Keep. I can't wait to play through the quest books!

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 4 ай бұрын

Only in terms of not adding new enemies or heroes, which is something I identify as a potential turn-off for people who see all the shiny new stuff in expansions like Rise of the Dread Moon and therefore might think these ones aren't worth getting. Of course, the point I'm making is that these expansions are really good, and I do think they are worth getting. I hope you have fun with Return of the Witch Lord.

@foowii4421 5 ай бұрын

I skipped the expansions for two reasons: First people these days constantly need new stuff. I don't want my players to get bored to fast and give them new Monsters. With just a few new Monster Models id buy them. Same for me: i have to paint the old Models over and over again instead of new ones like in the later expansions.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 5 ай бұрын

A few new monsters, or even new sculpts, would have been nice, but I think the way these two expansions so naturally extend the core experience makes up for that for me. I can certainly see all the repeated enemies turning off some people, though.

@pcuimac 9 ай бұрын

I have the damned german version of the game, which is infantile in a bad way. So I either buy everything new or just keep the old game and forget about the new version!? I already have a bigger neopren mat and three german expansions. One is the Witch Lord and the other two were about Mages (Citadel models from some colleges of magic, an Orc shaman, and bunch of henchmen. I was starting to print my own english version from scratch with all the good stuff from onoine archives, but buying the starter box and expansions may be more "rational", since printing all the cards and assembling and sleving them may cost more time and money than working two hours for 100€/h.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

The four European expansions are Kellar's Keep, Return of the Witch Lord, Wizards of Morcar and Against the Ogre Horde. Sounds like you have Wizards of Morcar, which included the cool orc shaman. At the moment, Wizards and Ogre Horde haven't been converted to the new version of the game, although it does appear to be on the cards (for Ogre Horde, at least). Another thing to think about is that Avalon Hill are now producing all-new content, like the Rise of the Dread Moon expansion and the new hero packs, so it depends if you are interested in sticking with original content or getting into brand new territory with the game.

@KentKaliber 9 ай бұрын

I use the stairs to "split up" line of sight. Heroes CANNOT see up the stairs. Otherwise, the stairs are literally useless to the gameplay.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

That sounds like a neat rule to me.

@KentKaliber 9 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring It just makes intuitive sense! When you walk up to a a large staircase, you can't see the floor above. Otherwise, why even use the stairs on the board? They should mean something and impact the gameplay / strategy.

@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring 9 ай бұрын

Absolutely. I liked the way they used them in Kellar's Keep to give the impression of a spiralling staircase, but as with the crags, they should have brought more to the gameplay as well as the aesthetics.