The Hodinkee’s spirit is alive. Shots of shoes and ankles right in the middle of the screen.
@BB-gl7zt9 ай бұрын
The 2254 is like Rich's socks. Missing from this video.
@zimankhan74119 ай бұрын
Another edition to the best series.
@sonnyvarioni16549 ай бұрын
addition?
@JamesIdentity9 ай бұрын
That lapis blue dial is Killer!!
@user-mr9yy3yf9q9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for doing this. Getting back into watches after paring down my collection four years ago. I picked up the summer series model about two weeks ago. Initially, I was going to get the 1957 heritage version, as my interest in the watch included a desire to get something new that paid homage to a design started in my birth year. Your remarkable accounting of what’s transpired with the watch was exactly what I was looking for and it just popped up! Great work and thank you again.
@baustard9 ай бұрын
james is a great addition to talking points. Elevates the discussion from being merely reference numbers and dial variations
@robynsjp9 ай бұрын
Really ? The "164.024" reference does not even exist. It is 165.024. And their "experts" do not even notice. Ever heard of a Porsche 811 ?
@Joe-xo3xy8 ай бұрын
Guys, this made my evening. I will keep watching this to get better educated about Omega as a brand and their ethos when it comes to product development. The current model lines demonstrate Omega's principles for innovation and technology. This was great work.
@PaoloZucchetti9 ай бұрын
where is 2254.50??
@KingKarimYT9 ай бұрын
I was looking to purchase a 2254.50 and then Hodinkee made a Seamaster video without the reference lol.
@pzett9 ай бұрын
What a pity that you have not covered the beautiful Seamaster 2254.50 😞
@RedWolfRedWolfRedWolf9 ай бұрын
The best Seamaster imho is the 2254.50 it’s got that milspec look sword hands big lume and a superb movement. They have been increasing in price too. Also thin af. Great episode guys.
@evh46119 ай бұрын
Yes
@robynsjp9 ай бұрын
2231.50 is better. I have the 2254.50 which is great, but 2231.50 is on my target list. 2232.80 is great too.
@muskokaboats9 ай бұрын
The Peter Blake was peak Omega
@mmagbie19 ай бұрын
The man died defending his ship literally named Seamaster and Hodinkee still snubbed him.
@ChrisVPlant9 ай бұрын
Excellent excellent video guys, great to see all the editors together chatting over these incredible pieces. Agree with James, Omega needs to bring back the sword hands. Steel sword hand Seamaster with tapered bracelet and you have a record breaking bestseller 🔥
@HHIto7 ай бұрын
I'm a "veteran" (>50 years) of Rolex, Omega, and JLC, ... I'm "guessing" that the "weight" of the lume and metal puts stress on the hand(s), which (possibly) breaks off after 50 years. I've got a bunch of old watches with broken hands (Longines, Omega...not Rolex). I briefly worked for Omega..." they" wouldn't answer my "trivial" question, but I believe it's the reason Omega hasn't budged on a redesign back to the popular sword hands! Fellow Omegans, thoughts?
@borage20006 ай бұрын
Difficult maybe, but a bigger version is used in the Ploprof so no excuse for Omega here…
@blairdrummond50439 ай бұрын
I was looking up Omega Seamaster Reference Points a few days and was disappointed to see there wasn't one yet. Great timing!
@masterwatch9 ай бұрын
Omega's 1960s and 1970s is just full of fantastic designs. The Speedmaster Mark series in the 70s is just fantastic.
@harrison10569 ай бұрын
"...fixed spring bars..." * James smiles, grabs one on a grayish nato * (Ends video with a request for the return of the sword hands) - This video delivered everything I didn't know I wanted from a Reference Points
@m.halcyon57729 ай бұрын
The more you know about wrist-bound time pieces, the stranger your hair becomes. Fact.
@troglodytestroglodytes2209 ай бұрын
Then I clearly know nothing.
@juniorjohnson59619 ай бұрын
And your Socks disappear 🧦
@jonboy81819 ай бұрын
Haha, I came here to say something about the no socks! Someone beat me to it! 😂😂
@joshuatvernon9 ай бұрын
Until you become the @THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR
@jeanlefranc38179 ай бұрын
And the more you’re prone to put your shoes on display on Hodinkee’s vids. The king of the game being obviously Ben. I have to replay his recent interviews in podcast format not to be distracted by dirty shoe soles coming right in my face 😂.
@miabeatz809 ай бұрын
Awesome history lesson and perspective. I love seeing reviews of the Seamaster that don't compare it to other brands (cough). There's so much deep history and craftsmanship in the lineage. Makes you love the evolution and look forward to future iterations even more 👏
@brockadcock27359 ай бұрын
I've always felt like James is the most down to earth person at Hodinkee. Maybe I'm biased because I agree with most everything he says.
@ac_later9 ай бұрын
Thank you James! WE NEED MORE SWORD HANDS! Love my Seamaster 57 trilogy.
@Thomgxx1009 ай бұрын
Love my Steinhart Vintage Military - Sword Hands!
@mmagbie19 ай бұрын
Not including the 2254.50 and the 2230.50 completely ignores the entire Peter Blake era of the Seamaster. This video has a glaring gap from 1996-2014. It’s disappointing that there was no effort to connect the MOD dial template originally used on the 165.024 to the modern 2254.50.
@fordy839 ай бұрын
I also think the original Planet Ocean 2201.50 from 2005 deserves a mention.
@miabeatz809 ай бұрын
The discussion was about the history of the Seamaster 300 not to be confused with the "300m" that you're referencing.
@mmagbie19 ай бұрын
@@miabeatz80why include the Bond watch if you’re making that distinction?
@jpatel55739 ай бұрын
That last line, absolutely. SWORD HANDS
@mmagbie19 ай бұрын
And yet no MOD dial big triangle sword hand Peter Blake models….
@dantrelford33719 ай бұрын
Someone needs to do a reference points on socks in the Hodinkee office
@brentwoods74509 ай бұрын
I dont think youll find any in the office
@damiengibbs66008 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this but you missed out the 2254 that ran alongside the Bond watch. Milsoec dial and sword hands. An underrated watch that probably got overlooked whilst in the shadow of its more popular Bond variant but has slowly gathered a following in recent times.
@JamesMaccarone9 ай бұрын
2254.50 that is all....
@algernonwolfwhistle63519 ай бұрын
No mention of the 2254? The best looking Seamaster of the modern era IMO.
@mmagbie19 ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree more. An absolute miss on the 2254.50 and also the 2230.50 with the first applied logo/indices.
@user-og2ro4ux3n9 ай бұрын
Informative, casual, and with great watches on the table. Thanks!
@dragonniz9 ай бұрын
I feel like at least the first generation planet ocean should be there on the table as well. Sure it's not a seamaster 300, but you can't help but see how the planet ocean line is the continuation of the old seamaster 300 with it's case, indexes, broad arrow hands & more.
@FTube20009 ай бұрын
My thoughts too. Good point!
@fordy839 ай бұрын
Yeah the 2201.50 dial is pretty much a modern 166.024 dial.
@sonnyvarioni16549 ай бұрын
It's November, dudes, put some socks on.
@ianwoollard20639 ай бұрын
If I buy another Seamaster the 300 will likely be the one. I enjoy the history. Currently rocking the Planet Ocean 8900. The Master chronometer movement technology is awesome. The latest version of the 300 is beautiful
@30821039 ай бұрын
The best watch video ever released this year
@robynsjp9 ай бұрын
Agree if they didn't get the references numbers wrong. 164.024 does not exist.
@30821039 ай бұрын
@@robynsjp ahahahah true that! Should be 165.024 and 166.024
@YusssoM9 ай бұрын
Really awesome video, deep dive(hehe) into omega dive watch history is really awesome, makes you appreciate the newer stuff even more. I'm not into collecting vintage watch, but i really love vintage design. So the 2021 models with that lollipop seconds hand and the broad arrow hour hand would be my dream watch!
@torontowatches97099 ай бұрын
Tudor Black bay was not first diver to bring back neo vintage divers mainstream, it was the Breitling Superocean Heritage
@baroh24136 ай бұрын
Thank you for not hyping the Peter Blake. I just bought one and prices are still relatively low
@riveravictor9 ай бұрын
Content is getting better
@davidrg15506 ай бұрын
This really is a fantastic video, the 300 IS what Omega should be pushing as their flagship dive watch But they need to get rid of that faux lume….. we’ve had enough of that.
@sympathyforthebezel60689 ай бұрын
Oh 🫰 something is coming down the road…could it be a modern 2254?
@markcovelli18119 ай бұрын
Great episode. I know the focus was on the 300. You did pivot for a moment to the Pro Plof and neglected "The Grand" - a very rare watch worth being part of the conversation. Cheers and keep up the great work
@antdte.55236 ай бұрын
Nice Seamaster!!!
@shuycg9 ай бұрын
Are the loafers mandatory some sort of uniform? That camera angle was clearly bound to show more ankle than anything.
@thegorn9 ай бұрын
Hipsters
@pauliewalnuts52418 ай бұрын
Yea I don't get it either. Seems very feminine to me.
@XShotokanX9 ай бұрын
I got the 2236.50 myself which I think is the queen of seamasteres. Applied white gold logo and indices makes it more refined than the regular 2254.
@mmagbie19 ай бұрын
I couldn’t agree more. The 2236.50 is the queen and the 2230.50 is the king with their white gold bezels along with white gold applied logo and indices. My understanding is these models represent the first applied logo on a modern Seamaster.
@baroh24136 ай бұрын
Well if you are looking for at tool watch "refined" is not necessarily a good thing. If you are looking for a dressy allrounder it is another story
@bash449 ай бұрын
great episode. seamaster 300 is my favorite omega watch. more beautiful than 300m
@gzarrillo9 ай бұрын
What a great episode
@mackledee9 ай бұрын
Love the vid. I know it's slightly outside the strict Omega Seamaster 300 scope, but I would have been interested to see some mention of the Watchco Seamaster 300s. And similar to the mention of the Seamaster Professional 300, I would have been interested to hear mention of the Planet Ocean which takes a lot of the design cues from those later 60s Seamaster 300s.
@AmitBhandari829 ай бұрын
Fantastic episide. I'm glad a Reference Point episode has been devoted to Omega. So much rich history and incredible back catalogue. And for those commenting on why not mention the 2254 - the 300m is not the same watch / watch line as the 300. Two different Seamaster ranges.
@mmagbie19 ай бұрын
Explain the Pierce Brosnan with the same case and movement.
@AmitBhandari829 ай бұрын
@@mmagbie1 It doesn’t matter. The Brosnan watch is STILL a 300m.
@mmagbie19 ай бұрын
@@AmitBhandari82so is this video on the 300 or 300m? You seem to make the distinction yet the Brosnan featured in this video is a 300M with Professional on the dial exactly like the 2254. The 2531.80 Brosnan featured in this video has the same name on the Omega website as the 2254 along with the same case and movement. If Omega has them listed as the same, how did you come to your conclusion that they belong to different ranges?
@AmitBhandari829 ай бұрын
@@mmagbie1 the video was focusing on the history of the Seamaster 300. The Brosnan one was just briefly mentioned and they did emphasize even in the video that they're talking about the 300 line, and not the 300m. They are distinct models. The 2254 (one of my faves of all time btw), is a 300m which is why they never went into all the different variants of the 300m.
@mmagbie19 ай бұрын
@@AmitBhandari82you have precisely illustrated my criticism. I do not see the value in including the Pierce Brosnan 300M if they are not going to include the rest of the 300M references. What value do you see in its contribution? It is represented as bridge between older models and the 2014 edition. This video appears rushed, incomplete, and undisciplined for a true Seamaster 300 reference collection. The repeated mistakes referring to a 165.024 as a 0:22 164.024 were glaring. This did not feel like a reference collection that should have been handled in-house but instead Hodinkee should have brought in a true expert.
@RedwoodAggie9 ай бұрын
We definitely needed this video. I was riveted every second. For me, like James, the 164.024 would be my pick. I really hope Omega chooses to come out with a new iteration of that on their next version. It's one of those watches that never had to grow on me. I just instantly loved it.
@robynsjp9 ай бұрын
There is no 164.024. It is 165.024. Mistake in their vid, but amazing their expert didn't spot it.
@shaheenevans9 ай бұрын
Very informative thanks team
@j.burgess44599 ай бұрын
Great episode.
@darrenhargreaves86139 ай бұрын
1993 SMP 36mm Bond on my wrist now !! Tritium and Fading bezel, gorgeous
@johnporte38089 ай бұрын
Love the Seamaster 300
@Patekcollector52059 ай бұрын
Love the Omega Seamaster
@fugitive888889 ай бұрын
This gonna be great
@YusssoM9 ай бұрын
Can you guys make one video on CartierTank? One of the most iconic watch with long production run. Would love to understand more about it.
@AH-sn9sl2 ай бұрын
Hodinkee has attracted all the snobs and wannabe exoerts as it’s audience. Thanks for the reminder!
@Jeff-11_3549 ай бұрын
...and the first Rolex mention took less than two minutes 🤣
@thegorn9 ай бұрын
It’s always the elephant in the room
@mattm12969 ай бұрын
I was really hoping Omega was going to reissue the 164.024 for the 75th anniversary. Been waiting for a modern version to accompany my vintage one
@robynsjp9 ай бұрын
There is no 164.024. The reference is 165.024, mistake in the vid. How on earth do their experts not even spot this and simply parrot "164.024" ???
@WatchClyde9 ай бұрын
Rich knows his stuff...Love collectors that's knowledgeable in timepieces like these.
@mrbud85249 ай бұрын
Omega ❤
@MBimmer9 ай бұрын
👏🏼 great video guys 👌🏼
@Tuneitupful9 ай бұрын
Great video
@thegorn9 ай бұрын
The modern Seamaster 300 still isn’t quite there yet. There’s too much negative space. Get it down a mm to 40mm with 20mm lugs. Improve the bezel action. Print the 3,6, 9. Use AR only on the underside and flatten out the top of the boxed sapphire crystal. Use flat link bracelet but improve the clasp. Offer up some references without the “old radium” aged or custard lum. There’s so much more they can do.
@MaestroDeca9 ай бұрын
Sounds like the 2014 edition. Which is better than the 2021 in my opinion.
@donrogan28129 ай бұрын
What's the deal with the socks???
@richardwarren20249 ай бұрын
Fantastic v video!
@evh46119 ай бұрын
So now you guys have to make a whole new video about the 2254.50. It has a sword hand you know
@Explorer40mm9 ай бұрын
Why doesn’t omega make a 1963-64 style seamaster? Nicer design than a sub, I’d buy one…. And that lapis dial is too cool!
@PeterHenriksen-ph5uh9 ай бұрын
Great video about a really great Watch. Had hoped you discussed the blue or blueish tinted bezels on the 60ties models. It seems there is some controversy about the blue bezels in different forums
@MaestroDeca9 ай бұрын
Why is it controversial?
@ALL-il1sw9 ай бұрын
Seamaster is a model range in which an entire collection can be built
@Thierrystern9 ай бұрын
Ben Clymer's no sock policy is spreading at an alarming rate of speed.
@pauliewalnuts52418 ай бұрын
Men should wear socks IMO.
@lukasleo53352 ай бұрын
Missing Eric wind here and the Peter Blake. Other than that it’s nice content.
@mattmacine9 ай бұрын
165.024 not 164.024 come on….
@mmagbie19 ай бұрын
It is fair to say that Reference Points does not hold the standard as they used to.
@robynsjp9 ай бұрын
Pointed to this, they deleted my comment.
@gambee_9 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this video but you have to tell people to stop sitting like that or at least put on some socks lol
@EricRankin-pq9yf9 ай бұрын
ERROR!!! You REPEATEDLY refer to the “164.024”. Wrong. And your slick graphics repeat the same mistake. There’s no such thing. It’s the 165.024 and the 166.024. And now you have commenters reposting the same misinformation. I know this sucks, but you should fix this.
@robynsjp9 ай бұрын
Made the same remark, they deleted my question. This SUCKS.
@jason0427799 ай бұрын
Sword hands!!
@ethanwyatt56999 ай бұрын
* starts searching the internet for vintage seamster *
@30821039 ай бұрын
the planet ocean is direct descendant of the 165.024 imo
@edjack19936 ай бұрын
Don’t get me wrong, I geek out on the evolution of watches like this. But Malaika Crawford dares to offer a new/different perspective on watches and gets LOTS of flak. On the other hand, videos like this (which are interesting to me but arguably deeply boring) seem to be beyond reproach. Gotta love Hodinkee comments.
@robynsjp9 ай бұрын
165.024 not 164.024 !!!!
@Explorer40mm9 ай бұрын
Dood has some serious Seamaster 300 knowledge
@robynsjp9 ай бұрын
No, they confuse 165.024 by quoting an unexisting reference "164.024", even repeated by their "experts". Shakes head.
@philstadnicki78829 ай бұрын
The no sock brigade
@Thomgxx1009 ай бұрын
PUT ON SOME SOCKS !!!
@fullymechanical90559 ай бұрын
Rich is trop cool for skool
@brentwoods74509 ай бұрын
watches and ankles brought to you by Hodinkee
@robynsjp9 ай бұрын
At least they have shoes on 😂
@SaltBhj27 күн бұрын
Who died?
@austinzizzi11429 ай бұрын
A 165.014 for me please
@masterwatch9 ай бұрын
the platinum 300 is the best.
@netanelostrov34253 ай бұрын
Have you ever seen it in the metal? I’ve been thinking about buying it for years, and I’ve yet to meet someone who can give me some real world feedback about it:(
@masterwatch3 ай бұрын
@@netanelostrov3425 I've seen a copy homage and it was very good so I imagine the real thing is very nice.
@rickfowler37109 ай бұрын
Dude forgot his socks
@bastid9689 ай бұрын
put some socks on
@Tizianv8 ай бұрын
Why are you guys not smiling more? Already at 1m20 you gyus sit there with boredom written all over your faces... what is happening?
@Vortex19889 ай бұрын
Omega needs to lose the fake patina.
@ALL-il1sw9 ай бұрын
I'd take fake patina over fake history any day
@miabeatz809 ай бұрын
Those dials would look terrible with stark white indices. I think people who don't care for the "off white" (retiring the word fautina) should look at brands that have no imagination. Maybe if they went back to radioactive lume folks would be happier lol.
@gpshangari2 ай бұрын
Love the platinum seamaster esp mine lol. Scratches easier than i thought lol