Because you’re all blind

Hadith of pen & paper =goggle it. You guys follow sunnah of umar and not the prophet pbuh

You're the perfect example of deaf dumb blind.

Exactly, the rafidi religion is based upon fairytales myths and legends.

The rawafidh think muslims will fall for their myths and fairytales. No one wonder people are leaving the twelver shia religion in thier droves.

Excellent points.

Mashallah

@IsolatedIntellectual the difference between sunni narrative and shia narrative is: Husn adh Dhan vs. Suu adh-Dhan. People with a Suu ad-Dhan mentality in normal days lives are sick people who interpret everything one does in a negative light. You give charity? You must be showing off...you bring me a gift? You surely want something from me... Shia are like this with the sahaba. Everything is interpreted in a negative light. Even their positive deeds they find a way to make it negative by filling in their intentions because of the sickness and curse in their hearts.

What happend at Ghadeer then? Why did RasulAllah ordered tens of thousands companions to gather in Ghadeer Khum? Give me your answer?

@@sadjada1566 It has already been answered tens of thousands of times. Read the ahadith pertaining to the events that lead up to Ghadir Khumm. And the Prophet ﷺ did not specifically gather "tens of thousands" of Companions to announce leadership (and if he did, why are you lot crying about the "pen and paper" incident?). Ghadir Khumm was a common resting place for travelers going from Makkah to Madinah. If the Prophet ﷺ wanted to announce his successor, he would have done so at the Hajj where a much, much larger gathering of Companions were present, and where Allah revealed that the religion has been completed. You people believe that khilafa/imamah is a central and fundamental pillar of the religion, so that means you are alleging that the Prophet ﷺ failed to fulfill his Prophetic duties when this ayah was revealed at Hajj but rather did so WEEKS after. Anyone with working brain cells can see that the implications of the entire Shia narrative is nothing but one massive insult to both the Prophet ﷺ and the blessed Ahlul Bayt.

I wish you guys stand will Palestine with your bullshit countries like the Persians did.

Poor nasibi, you obviously need a tissue.

​@@theamirbarismillworks2253rafidi people are leaving shiasm at the hordes lol, iran has done nothing for palestine

Of course. The Prophet saw mentioned the massive GHIRAH of Umar ra. Check the hadith. Sorry, u Shia? So u threw that ha#ith away? 😂😂😂😂 puleez

@@phenomabbas the way you are drawing conclusions is hilarious, because this was nobody' should have given his opinion to prophet SAW because noONE is more intelligent and knowledgeable tham prophet SAW.

The son of Omar sided with ALI AS in a battle of Jamal against our mother 3isha thousands of Muslims butchered because she didn’t like that their Khalifa ALI was taking his time looking for uthmans killers. Read Islamic history it was a blood bath and stop being naive this naivety has resulted in your brothers and sisters being rap$d in Gaza. Stop the fwends bull crap you don’t threaten to burn your friends house reference Bukhari

lol friends threatening to burn his other friends house these sahaba are not very well mannered. al-Tabari writes that Umar shouted, "By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance [to Abu Bakr], or I will set the house on fire."

@@TheMahdi12349tabari wrote all sayings, even if they were fabricated and false, he didnt differentiate. You are not a shaykh to comment on a saying with 0 understanding of the context, credibility or sanad of the saying

Is that why sayidna Ali radiallah anho thought of sayidna omar radiallah anho of being a sinful, trecherous, dishonest, liar? Sahih muslim 1757c

​​@@abdullinhowell sorry to burst ur bubble but it is sahuh ul sanad so is the musannaf report. But you play witg your very loose rijal rules that can both authenticate or weaken %90 of your ahadith. Afterall why is sahih sanad even needed for a historical report that has been corroporated many times. Ibn taymiya says a corroporated report is hujjah even if narrated by fussaq and fujjar especially with regards to history reports.

Its an honour to be on omar's side??? In other words its an honour for you to hurt Rasulullah pbuh and be kicked out of the room. 😆

@@Mahdi-sx4ql oh if only you knew what that honour will be. but one day you will. May Allah Taala unite me with Sayyidina Umar RadiAllahu Taala Anhu in the hereafter and may you be where he won't. say ameen

@@islamictalksetc ameen, btw did u even read what i wrote and the repercussion of being on omar's side?

Ibn Sa’ad: Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said: Umar ibn Khataab said: There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me. [Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]

@@Mahdi-sx4ql you’re thinking is sick

Imagine calling your son kouniya 😂 lie to someone else

Nothing gets past you Sherlock. That son was biologically Abu Bakr’s son. When AB passed away his widow got married to Imam Ali (ai) who raised that son. Do your research.

@@midnightnv6211 Oh the gracious sahabi Muhammad Abu Bakr which is the son of our Abu Bakr that was the Shia of Imam Ali that physically pulled out his sister Aisha from the camel during the battle of camels. Now it makes sense why he called his son Abu Bakr

Rafidi: its quran and ahl ul bayt Shia “hadith” books; *Al kafi book 2 chapter 22 hadith number 3 Chapter on Following the Sunnah and Evidence of the Book* Abu ‘Abdallah (AS) has said, ‘Everything must be referred to the holy Quran and the Sunnah, the noble traditions of the holy Prophet (s.a.) and any Hadith that does not agree with the holy Quran it is a useless statement.’”

@@mughal_r9374 its Quran and Ahlul Bayt. Ahlul Bayt doesn’t have made up Sunnah. It’s degreded by our prophet. Which is basically a Sunnah of our prophet. But we only take the Sunnah from Ahlul Bayt and good charactered Sahabas that defended ahlul bayt. Not form 100,000 sahabi that his character doesn’t reflect islam

So you would’ve rather had the profit strain himself? Sometimes a high-ranking official has to make decisions on behalf of, and in the best interest of the leader. Also, what he had to write down was revealed in his final sermon.

1. There is a HUGE difference between the prophet PBUH and his companions. 2. The Quran states clearly (And he does not speak out of (his own) desire. It is not but revelation revealed [ to him ]....53:3-) (‎وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ). The prophet PBUH was sent by GOD to us and thus his orders should be taken accordingly. 3. In addition this is not a matter of a country and high ranking officials. Again this is a prophet that was sent to us by GOD. And thus the comparison should not even be on the table.

Did you just completely ignore or not watch rest of video after point was raised

That's how you know people like you are ignorant. Obviously didn't watch it and like to extrapolate things to fit your twisted presumptions.

It’s kind of like when Ali AS refused to remove ‘messenger of god’ from the hudaybiyyah treatise after the prophet commanded it, THREE times, right? 😉😉😉😉😉

Go read about the door of knowledge.

@@TheMahdi12349 We did. Ali (ra) married off his daughter with Umar (ra). That's how close they were.

Abu lahab was prophets uncle lol 😂

​@@TheMahdi12349And? Whats your point?

Abu bakrs son of Ali’s name was Muhammed but it was a kunya so the PEOPLE named him abu bakr. Umar son of Ali was never Umar it was Amir. Uthman ibn Ali was named after Uthman ibn Maz'un and this is backed up by bihar al anwar.

​@ghazialbadry6623 the son of Ali ibn abi talib كرم الله وجه was Abu Bakr. Yes Abu Bakr ibn ali رضي الله عنه. You are saying its a kunya. This kunya was only to 1 person before him in the history. Abu bakr as saddiq رضي الله عنه

@@AAA777I I’m saying his name wasn’t Abu bakr. I’m saying his REAL name was Muhammed ibn Ali عليه السلام. You’ve now lied saying abu bakr was the only one named as “abu bakr”… So who was Abu Bakr bin Uthman al-Taymi???

Regarding last point : Is only Ali AS, Hussain AS, Hasan AS from the Prophet's SAW family? Umar RA's children names include Fatima, Zainab. Wasn't fatima AS also the daughter of Hazrat Muhammad SAW? Uthman RA himself married 2 daughters of Hazrat Muhammad SAW i.e Ruqayyah AS, Umme Kulsom AS. Would you give your daughter to any low individual and if you are not an adult would you accept giving your sister or cousin's hand in marriage to someone you consider disbeliever? let alone Prophet Muhammad SAW who knew about the hypocrites of that time more than you do gave two daughters hand in marriage to Hazrat Uthman RA Regarding the prohibition of writing by Hazrat Umar RA do some research it's refutation is available on popular websites eg "This incident happened on a Thursday, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died on the following Monday, i.e., four days later. He could have asked others to write that document, but because he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) did not do that, we know that it was not revelation that he could have concealed"

@@muhammadaquib9974 We are talking about Umars enmity towards Ali. Your point about him naming them names of the daughters of the prophet has nothing to do with it lol? My point still stands. And how the Prophet was around the hypocrites is another topic by itself, but even in Bukhari 6585 states that even the Prophets doesnt know what his companions will innovate after his time. And also Nasai 3221 the Prophet refuses marrying Fatima to Abu bakr and Umar so what does that tell us?? And my statement about the document stands the same you really didnt address anything new. Now you do some research in your own books and you will find that Ali and Umar wasnt all happy dandy with each other. Bukhari 4240: Ali didnt give alligience for 6 months and felt opressed. Bukhari 3092: Fatima dies angry with Abu bakr. Bukhari 6830: Ali opposed Umar. Ibn Abi shaybah 37045 sahih isnad: Umar threatens to burn the house of Fatima with those inside. Wassalam brother.

@@Yousif0291 "I heard 'Ali say: 'The best of people after the Messenger of Allah is Abu Bakr, and the best of people after Abu Bakr is 'Umar.'" Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 106 Narrated 'Ali: that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: "Abu Bakr and 'Umar are the masters of the elder people among the inhabitants of Paradise, from the first ones and the last ones, not including the Prophets and the Messengers. Do not inform them O 'Ali." Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3666 Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf: that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Abu Bakr is in Paradise, 'Umar is in Paradise, 'Uthman is in Paradise, 'Ali is in Paradise, Talhah is in Paradise, Az-Zubair is in Paradise, 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf is in Paradise, Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas is in Paradise, Sa'eed bin Zaid is in Paradise, and Abu 'Ubaidah bin Al-Jarrah is in Paradise." Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3747 Bukhari 6585 does not mention which companions however in the lifetime of the Prophet he himself said that the above people will be in paradise. Either you are calling Rasool Allah a liar (Astagfirullah) or twisting words for your benefit. As for marrying his daughter, if this is significant to you then here: Rasool Allah married Hafsa R.A the daughter of Umar A.S And when you ˹believers˺ ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and theirs. And it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah, nor ever marry his wives after him. This would certainly be a major offence in the sight of Allah. (From Surah Ahzab) If Allah is divinely giving respect to the wives of the Prophet that include daughters of (Abu Bakr and Umar R.A) what's your problem with them? It was narrated that 'Abdullah bin Salimah said: "I heard 'Ali say: 'The best of people after the Messenger of Allah is Abu Bakr, and the best of people after Abu Bakr is 'Umar.'" Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 106

@@Yousif0291 As for Bukhari 3092, Fatima R.A: It has been narrated on the authority of 'A'isha that Fatima and 'Abbas approached Abu Bakr, soliciting transfer of the legacy of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) to them. At that time, they were demanding his (Holy Prophet's) lands at Fadak and his share from Khaibar. Abu Bakr said to them: I have heard from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). Then he quoted the hadith having nearly the same meaning as the one which has been narrated by Uqail on the authority of al-Zuhri (and which his gone before) except that in his version he said: Then 'Ali stood up, extolled the merits of Abu Bakr mentioned his superiority, and his earlier acceptance of Islam. Then he walked to Abu Bakr and swore allegiance to him. (At this) people turned towards 'Ali and said: you have done the right thing. And they became favourably inclined to 'Ali after he had adopted the proper course of action. Reference : Sahih Muslim 1759b Also Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri: The Prophet (ﷺ) delivered a sermon and said, "Allah gave a choice to one of (His) slaves either to choose this world or what is with Him in the Hereafter. He chose the latter." Abu Bakr wept. I said to myself, "Why is this Sheikh weeping, if Allah gave choice to one (of His) slaves either to choose this world or what is with Him in the Here after and he chose the latter?" And that slave was Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) himself. Abu Bakr knew more than us. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O Abu Bakr! Don't weep. The Prophet (ﷺ) added: Abu- Bakr has favored me much with his property and company. If I were to take a Khalil from mankind I would certainly have taken Abu Bakr but the Islamic brotherhood and friendship is sufficient. Close all the gates in the mosque except that of Abu Bakr. Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 466 Narrated `Uqba bin Al-Harith: I saw Abu Bakr carrying Al-Hasan and saying, "Let my father be sacrificed for you; you resemble the Prophet and not `Ali," while `Ali was laughing at this. Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3750

@@Yousif0291 Narrated Humaid bin `Abdur-Rahman: Abu Huraira said, "During that Hajj (in which Abu Bakr was the chief of the pilgrims) Abu Bakr sent me along with announcers on the Day of Nahr ( 10th of Dhul-Hijja) in Mina to announce: "No pagans shall perform, Hajj after this year, and none shall perform the Tawaf around the Ka`ba in a naked state." Humaid bin `Abdur Rahman added: Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent `Ali bin Abi Talib (after Abu Bakr) and ordered him to recite aloud in public Surat Bara'a. Abu Huraira added, "So `Ali, along with us, recited Bara'a (loudly) before the people at Mina on the Day of Nahr and announced; "No pagan shall perform Hajj after this year and none shall perform the Tawaf around the Ka`ba in a naked state." Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 4655 Indicates how close the companions were with each other when during early Islamic days. It was narrated from Abu Salih al-Hanafi that It was said to ‘Ali and Abu Bakr (رضي الله عنهما) on the day of Badr. Jibreel is with one of you and Mika`eel is with the other, and Israfeel, a mighty angel, is present at the fight - or he said, is present in the ranks. Reference : Musnad Ahmad 1257

@@Tifsa123 WE elevate Umar? If youre shia you made Ali and the imams into Gods. May Allah save us from being like you people

We Ahlul Sunna Wa Al Djamah are the right ones Shia expecially are the ones who said that the Ahlul Bajt r.a is God themself estagfiurllah even Ali r.a never reclaim that himself and Distanced from such a claim from this Kjafirs

@@amirdervisevic1487 How do you know you're right? Us shias follow hadiths, quran and the ahlulbayt. Pray 5 times a day, fast, go hajj and do the same things as you but our sect centralises our love of the ahlulbayt with the quran. We believe in one god which is Allah and not any human like sunnis falsely accusate and we have the same quran as you.

You have brain of gold fish Allah gives omar his blessings in.the umma by aformin omar opinion open your brain

@@freedomofplestaininsplesta5497 Alhamdulilah

Ahhhh and here is the shia "mental gymnastics".

the fact that Ali r.a. the gate of knowledge exeeds umar r.a. in an overall knowledge field and we sunnis recognize that- by ur logic ali r.a. is more knowledgeble than Allah or prophet s..m. but luckily we dont have a fish brain and recognize the honors Allah has given his slaves and we look up to them with respect and take them as our role models instead of making a fuss over a bunch of nonarguments

At the end of the day it’s the prophet(pbuh) and his Ahlul bait(family) whom every Muslims are required to send blessing on every time they pray. No one else gets this honor and it’s nonnegotiable.

If you want to understand more on this issue than Ali RA was fine with Umar or Abu Bakr being the caliph or not, just read the Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyah and you will find all the answers. Do let me know what is your opinion on this. Salaam

Watch The Lady of Heaven to start

There's one thing you need to understand. Let's say ALI RA was elected by the prophet and obviously in history books abu bakr became the first caliph. If Ali (RA) decided to fight for his rightful position wouldn't this cause a civil war? It would collapse the whole religion in many ways. People within Islam would be split between Abu bakr and Ali and enemies from the outside would attack which would end islam and the prophets message. If you think about it him getting declared successor and not doing anything when his position was unlawfully taken has wisdom behind it and does make logical sense

You should say this to your leaders we are doing our part.

@@AdnanAli_313this ayah is for the Shia

@Shah-wp6do So we on the truth because falsehood is vanished . If you implying that then ok but it's not what we teach and this verse should be understood by reading completely to understand the context which it is in.

Quran: "Take their opinion in matters."

Not exactly, Umm al Mumenin Aishah had this as her iwn opinion because the name Zayd was mentioned un Quran and that is a strong proof he is special. But eventually arab tribes would not accept anyone except someone strong feom Quraysh.

Yes he did

Please provide some of these hadiths

Bukhari 9:87:111 Muslim 26:5428 Muslim 30:5654 Bukhari 8:73:220 Bukhari 6:60:226; also Bukhari 6:60:1 and Bukhari 6:60:170 Bukhari 7:62:142 Bukhari 1:5:268 And there is soo many more hadiths that I can’t believe come out of peoples mouths. These Hadiths insult the prophets character SAW. He is the best creation of Allah. He is not suicidal bewitched or delusional. He doesn’t make mistakes. He is protected by Allah. Yet the Sunni school is busy defending the sahaba when the sahaba are making a mockery out of the Prophets character morals and conduct.

Shias believe their infallible Imams are equal in status with Prophet Muhammad saws, is this not an insult to the Prophet?

God has purified the Ahlulbayt his family how is that an insult that’s more like honouring him and his family ❤️by Allahs SWT will he purified them so the message of the prophet Mohummad is not tampered with. His true sunnah !

And no matter what no one is the same status as the prophet ASW

If that's what you got out of that then you need to seriously reflect on your mentality.

@@moulanakratos I am obliged to break it to you that your own comment comes from a place of ignorance. And you are yourself responsible for that ignorance. Arguing with me won't help you either. The only solution for you is to get to the real source of all what they are discussing, read the classical books and get away from these internet clowns.

Sure, but how does any of that negate what the speaker is saying? As he mentioned in the lecture, the Prophet passes away THREE days later. He had three entire days to explore or re-explore the matter, yet didn't. This scenario was not evidence or the evidence you were looking for that Umar stopped Ali from being appointed the next calipha.

@@jasminmalik3287 The Prophet (s) withdrew from writing his will because of what was said after his request, since his word would have no influence anymore but dispute after his demise. Thus, if the Prophet (s) wrote the mentioned will, about which still some would say that it was nonsense. Some sources write that prophet saww instead gave oral recommendations, which have been recorded differently by various authors. On a side note: If you are really interested in knowing the early Islamic history without any bias then read these events chronologically 1. Ghadeer e Khumm 2. Expedition of Usama bin Zayd (just before death of prophet saw) 3. Hadith of pen and paper 4. Burial of the Prophet (Only 6 men were present) 5. Incident of Saqifa

@@jasminmalik3287 Can you tell me, after this Thursday Calamity event, what did the prophet do or order before he passed away on Monday?

Guys the arguement isn’t about the message. The fact that Omar insulted our prophet by saying the our prophet is saying nonsense is the issue.

@@AhmadFakih123 except omar r.a. didnt say that the prophet s.m. was speaking nonsense this part in this comment is total bs and probably an addition inside of the shia sources and if any sunnis sources have it, its recognized as a fabrication

So how did your apu baker become caliph?

@@theamirbarismillworks2253 shura muhajireen and ansar.

Shias will say that the message was revealed in Ghadeer when prophet(S) declared Ali as a “Mawla”. But the “pen and paper” incident according to Shias is just for more emphasis and to protect that message even more. Shias may even say the prophet (S) exposed the true colors of those companions around him when he made the request for “pen and paper”

​@mujahidkhalfan5246 shi'as are known for making speculative guesses without proof and out of thin air along the way all the time. Everytime one dismantle their claims they come with something new, like a liar telling another lie to hide the first one and at the end is caught in a web of lies.

Imam Ali absolutely had an issue. He literally tells them in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim that he believes they are liars and frauds

@@masteronmace Where is your proof....??? Quote me from Bukhari...!! All your Shia hadiths are concocted in kufa,Iraq...it's a political ideology...all of those hadiths are fabricated or shaped in a way to support your political ideology. There was no Shia or Sunni during Ali RAs lifetime...your false narrators created their own political ideology to rule the muslim land's thats the truth.

HAZRAT Ali had great respect for hazraat Umar and hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique, read nahjul balagha.

@@wisedome3433 Nahjul Balagha is a mix of bakri Hadiths and Shia Hadiths, we don’t use that as a main source instead rely on what Quran and Tafsir from Ahlulbayt says. Also, Mola Ali in Sunni books called Abu Bakr and Umar liars and frauds lol

@@masteronmace In Usul e Kaafi and Majlisi's Hayat ul Quloob also both hazrat Umar and hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique are praised and their greatness is described

Ibn Sa’ad: Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said: Umar ibn Khataab said: There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me. [Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]

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How can someone be a khalifa of a nabi specially Muhammadur rasuluallah??

@qambersomji8230 Yes, we need to work together and not fight

Your ignorance is just astonishing

@@rabyaahmed2817 insulting someone and not stating a point is the new stupidity. I will not stoop myself as a grown man who has actually went to a Islamic university to argue with such an ignorant statement. I love how you stated nothing but called me ignorant.

@@rabyaahmed2817 by the way how much do you know about what our scholars have said about Ali(ra) and the house hold of the prophet (Saw)you would be surprised on how he wasn’t so loved as we say we do.

@@kkassam You think it is disobedience?

@@aminububa851 yes, he forcefully overruled the request of Rasulullah ﷺ taking advantage of his illness.

Syeddina Ali is with Syeddina Umar. You are lost.

What did he say? Please provide the source as well.

the whole damn video is about the hadith and ur saying 'frgt to mention'😨 u ok bro?

@@neko7981 just like the Christians, Shias love to take things out of context.

Sunnis say that Umar spoke out of love and concern because he couldn’t bare to see the Prophet (S) undergo so much pain and discomfort.

@@mujahidkhalfan5246 Umar spoke not out of love nor of comcern, but out of knowledge. The others who disagreed with him spoke out of concern. The Prophet (s.a.w.a.) was testing the companions (r.a.), whether you can edit your will on your deathbed or not. Umar (r.a.) and his shia passed the test, the other shia didn’t; thinking that the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) was an exception, which is not, or maybe out of obedience, which is not the case here. Rasulullah (s.a.w.a.) and his Ahlul Bayt (a.s.) [his wives AND his progeny] were not an exception from the Sharia. Rather, some laws are heavier for them, but never lighter. This is clear in Quran 33:28-34, among them is Ayat-e-Tathir (the verse of purification; Q33:33).

Ibn Sa’ad: Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said: Umar ibn Khataab said: There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me. [Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]

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Already refuted by the Ulama.

@@Holistic_Islam ye they've tried to cover the sun for centuries, but it's shining and obvious to those who have healthy and open eyes

@@mokhosh The Shia Rafidah Mushrikeen are surrounded by darkness, not the light of the sun. Sorry to burst your bubble.

@@Holistic_Islam oh please don't burst my bubble with so much reasoning and so many arguments 😄

@@mokhosh that's shia definition, bro. I would suggest you to read the incident in it's full context. It's not about giving sayyidna Ali the matter of leadership but to defend him and show his status, just as the prophet (SAW) said concerning sayyidna Umar that "there was to have a Prophet after me, it would have been 'Umar bin Al-Khattab." But we don't take this litterary and start treating sayyidna Umar like a prophet. So, try to see the whole picture, bro

I agree it could have been anything. The problem is that Umar refused the Prophet from writing this down, which is why we will never know. Is Umars ijtihad and judgement than the Prophet who received revelation?

Knowledgeable, don't need to be popular....need to be authentic and transparent...

@@rabyaahmed2817 🤣🤣🤡🤡

Correct....

The rawafidh claim alot of things. Can never provide proof or evidences. Just made up stories

Correct yourself please. Bakriism*

1) it is just that verse not the whole sura 2) the challenge is for those trying mimic the Quran. Umar was not trying to do that.

😂😂 back again with your mythical fairytales. Have some shame

since it wasnt a divine verdict at the time of decision but an educated guess based on consultation- Allah correcting the prophet s.m. after the event doesnt challenge his prophethood. prophet s.m. making error in his personal judgement is nothing alien to islam, it had happened before as well. rather its a proof that he was a humble prophet and not divine

​@@neko7981 the Quran says whatever the prophet says is wahi yet you are saying the prophet can do educated guess and he makes mistakes !! what kind of prophet is this ? the fact that you believe that the prophet can do mistakes shows how much wrong are you yet you will never say such things about a sahabi, Allah confirmed Umar and rejected the prophet that he himself sent as guidance, wasn't it better that he choose Umar to be the prohpet !! what kind of God is that astaghferullah, think muslims think

​@@mhmadbedrddeen3414 there is a literal sura of Allah calling out rasul s.a. for just being slightly annoyed as a blind man who later became a sahabi when he was giving dawah to more powerful meccans. he s.m. himself told the sahabis that they were generally more well versed in matters pertaining to duniya. even the battle of uhud is a brilliant proof- as he s.m. was himself aloof from participating the war directly and omar r.a. too was opposed to it- but he still participited cause 1- to motivate the ansar youth who wanted to partake in a battle along with the prophet s.m. and 2- cause he already wore his armor- a prophet cannot change decision midway. this was a case where they both recognized it was a bad decision but the circumstances forced it to be taken anyway. and besides- explain suran anfal 67. u either believe quran can have contradictions, or ur interpretation of the verse u provided doesnt prove ur point. throughout his s.m. life there r multiple events that show that there is a difference in the priority of his absolute verdicts , personal judgements, and opinions. the entirity of it makes up the sunnah- so u cannot downplay its distinction

@@neko7981 The issue is you bring verses without bringing other verses and Twist their meaning and end up insulting the prophet and even Allah Firstly, It's not the prophet who frowned to the blind man, how the greatest creation of Allah who Allah said about him that he has the best of manners and that he was sent to perfect manners frown to a poor blind believer, wallahi it's saddens the heart how you people think of the prophet, it's not the prophet who frowned to the blind man it was Uthman, again it's another example how you would do anything to degrade the people and uplift your leaders Secondly, the hadith that says that the prophet said to the sahabah that they know more than him in the matters of dunya is false it's fabricated, Allah himself says everything he says is wahi, Allah himself says when the prophet decide on something no one has the right to say otherwise, Allah himself says obey the prophet as you obey me, again it shows how your early leaders fabricated such believes so they can change in the religion and do mistakes and then say it's okay the prophet said we know better and the prophet used to mistakes Thirdly, regrading Al-Anfal 67 Again another example of misinterpretation, the verse says (It is not for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [upon Allāh's enemies] in the land. You [i.e., some Muslims] desire the commodities of this world,1 but Allāh desires [for you] the Hereafter. And Allāh is Exalted in Might and Wise.) It's clearly shows that it's not speaking directly to the prophet but to the muslims who desire the commodities of this world not the hereafter, are you suggesting that the prophet was seeking worldly commodities!!!! See how by your understanding you insult the prophet, it's you who is saying that the Quran is in contradiction by that because many other verses speak of the high status of the prophet and yet here you won't me to say as you misunderstood that the prophet was running after worldly commodities !!! The story of the verse is that some muslims at the battle of badr started taking prisoner instead of killing without the prophet's approval, not as your fabricated hadith say as this again prove the point that you have no problem insulting the prophet and uplifting your leaders by saying Umar was right and the prophet was wrong to the extent that your books says that the prophet said if Allah sent punishment for this no one will be safe except Umar and Saad, Allahu Akbar even the prophet wouldn't be safe, what kind of a prophet is that If your interpretation is true why then the prophet didn't kill the prisoner after the verse was revealed, let's assume that he was wrong first for taking prisoners why after it was revealed he didn't kill them, a prophet insisting on his false position even after Allah warned him !! See how ridiculous your interpretation is, just think man think